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Should The Phoenix Suns Re-Sign Louis Amundson As Their Sixth Big Man?

Suns are still looking for another big man, and Louis Amundson is still on the market. And he is the best big out there right now.

I'm on record, probably more than a dozen times, saying there's no way Lou comes back to the Suns. The main reason being that the Suns have decided to fill Amare's absence with more than 1 player, squeezing Lou out of the rotation even if he were still under contract.

Yet, Lou loves it in Phoenix and the fans love him. And he has yet to get a good deal anywhere else.

What if Lou remains unhappy with his options? What if he comes to the Suns, willing to take a 2-year deal at not much more than minimum for the privilege to stay in Phoenix?

Star-divide

This seems to be a good choice for the Suns, for depth, but bad for Lou, doesn't it?

I mean, look at the lineup of players on the team:

Nash, Dragic, Richardson, Childress, Hill, Dudley, Turkoglu, Warrick, Lopez and Frye. That's 10 guys.

Barring injury, no one besides those 10 is going play more than every third game for 5-10 minutes. And the Suns have Lawal, D Collins, Reynolds/Dowdell, and Earl Clark waiting in the wings for those minutes.

When would Lou play? Lou deserves 15+ minutes every night, not every third game, and not left on the bench hoping for an injury or flameout by someone in the rotation. He would be in an even worse position than LB was last season. LB was a 7 million dollar insurance policy against the failure of Dragic or Richardson. But at least he got 15 minutes a night even when those guys exploded.

Lou's predicament would be much worse.

Amare played 34 minutes, LB got 18 and Lou got 15 (67 total). Those minutes have to be split amongst Warrick, Turk and Childress before a 3rd-string PF/C takes any. Let's say, conservatively, that Turkoglu and Childress get 50 of those minutes each night (they probably deserve 55-60). Warrick would then get only 17? Don't under-estimate Warrick, folks. He is a better player than Lou, though probably less inspiring to the masses. He is less proficient in the rebounding department, yet a lot more proficient in scoring/dunks/putbacks/jumpers and pick-and-roll action. He deserves 17+ minutes a night.

So a healthy squad has no room for Lou. He would languish on the bench, or would cause someone else to languish more than they should. 

Yet, Lou loves it here and would be a great insurance policy against injury or incredible rebounding deficiencies. He is a more-predictable option than Lawal, D Collins, Clark or some other vet big out there right now. Of course, you're then stunting their growth.

NOTE: Make some comments and talk about your vote. The comments are always more informative than the article.

Poll
Is it fair to bring back Lou to the fifth or sixth big man?
Bring him back for 2-3 years at 2 million per year (even if it means not playing much)
551 votes
Don't resign him. We have better options, and it wouldn't be fair to him.
360 votes
You're wrong Alex. It WOULD be fair. Bring him back and sit someone else.
355 votes

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Im in two minds about Lou,

he is my favorite hustle player even beating out Dudley, Lopez and Dragic in that department. Remember when Dudley wasnt even in the team and Lou started the crazy hustle plays, we were in awe of this kid when all we knew about hustle was watching Marion being undersized jumping over Amare and getting rebounds.
I really want him on the Phoenix Suns, but on the other hand I want the kid to get paid and get the minutes he deserves which he is not getting with the Suns with our current roster.
I also dont understand the lack of interest from other teams for Lou, somehow they all think the Phoenix system allows Lou to be that efficient and he would not work in their system. Lou can also be a foul machine when he is not in rhythm and his super power hustle can be his downfall too especially guarding bigger opponents. I reluctantly went with option 2 even though I dont think Warrick is a bigger upgrade over Lou, but I havent seen Warrick in our system maybe he can make a bigger impact playing in the Suns system. Thank you Lou for all the good times.

Slumdog Millionaire without the million.

by atkammoh on Jul 30, 2010 9:21 AM MDT reply actions  

Let him go

As much as I like Lou(is), he is whatever he is. I’d rather give the chance to Lawal to see if he can develop into something better.

Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!

by gadogry on Jul 30, 2010 9:38 AM MDT reply actions  

I want him back (see my fanshot)

He is not taking Lawal spot. We will get another big, so why not Lou? I don’t think Lawal will get many minutes regardless so is not like Lou will take minutes from him. He might take minutes from Clark or one of the other bigs if they are not up for it, but don’t you rather have a nice contingency plan that you know it would work instead of just having a big sitting on the bench that might or might not work if/when we need him?

by jvvenez on Jul 30, 2010 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's non-sequitur

if it’s fair to him or not. Put the offer on the table. If it’s accepted, it only means it’s the best offer on the market. If we don’t put it there, it’ll just limit his choices and he might end up in a worse position. If he doesn’t take our offer, good for him :)

Read.

by jog on Jul 30, 2010 10:19 AM MDT reply actions  

Set Lou free...

If we kept him, we would be giving up on Warrick, Clark, Lawal, and Collins. He immediately becomes the backup PF and prevents us from developing them. That diminishes the value of these other players. On the other hand, he is another chip we could use to trade.
In the end, though I think we should only sign him if he can’t find a deal somewhere else. I hate to give up the rebounding and hustle though.

by JR_One on Jul 30, 2010 10:23 AM MDT reply actions  

Exactly

I’m sure he knows what kind of playing time he would get. If we put an offer on the table and he accepts, he obviously can live with that. He would get more playing time on another team, but perhaps he wants to get a ring next year (hey, one can dream).

by skildne on Jul 30, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Go Suns!

I like that way of thinking! :-)

by JR_One on Jul 30, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Plus...

I don’t feel too bad for anyone making $2 mil a year for playing basketball.

I don’t blame any player for making that much money but I also don’t feel bad when they ONLY get X amount of money (millions) and not what they “deserve”

Soooo I like Lou and hope he comes back.

by jvvenez on Jul 30, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd say put the offer out there - with a clear stipulation that he's a backup center,

and that he might be traded.
Lou could be very valuable in a package trade mid-season. We also don’t know how D. Collins will fare, and we don’t know about injuries. I’d rather have Lou than J. Collins or any of the other bigs on the market – he plays bigger.

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by haremoor on Jul 30, 2010 10:41 AM MDT reply actions  

Yes, that's what I meant.

Dammit, Alex.

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by haremoor on Jul 30, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

This would be the best to both parties concerned.

sex is like math: you add the bed, subtract the clothes, divide the legs and pray you dont multiply!

by Spit_Fire on Jul 30, 2010 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

this why I haven't bee extatic about our off season moves...(except Jchill)

Stat left and we over loaded on forwards. maybe clark pry’s his head out of his ass maybe not, but it seems to me that teaching lou to shoot from 12ish feet away would be far easier then teaching clark heart, dedication, and “fuk you I’m not going down without a fight” attitude. not to mention teaching him all this with his head still firmly up his ass will be hard. I know because as a man who has spent a great deal of his life with his head up his ass i can tell you….It’s really hard to hear what people are saying.

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 10:44 AM MDT reply actions  

don't worry about what other people are saying

they said the same last summer too. Suns will be damn good, no matter what.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Speaking of misplacing one's head.

I’ve built my entire life around using my asshole as a necktie. But you having some reasonable doubts about the Suns for next season doesn’t necessarily fall along those lines. The Suns have lots of B and C talent, but very little A talent, and as everyone knows the NBA is typically a league of stars. Dragic might be the only player on the Suns roster that projects as an all-star moving forward. That’s even a tough road to hoe for him contingent upon whether Paul, Williams, and Westbrook stay in the Western Conference. The Suns have depth, but acquiring some young A level talent would be nice. I personally won’t be holding my breath on Clark transmogrifying into that A level player, even though I have plenty of practice from where my head slums around….

by Jim Coughenour on Jul 30, 2010 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

This situation is starting to get depressing.

I like the Warrick signing, but at the time the consensus was that Lou was going to get paid elsewhere.
Right now Lou is like that roomate that you kick out of your house but then he just sits on your front porch cause he has nowhere else to go.
With the benefit of hindsight, I wish the Suns hadn’t brought in Warrick and had just stuck with Lou, who plays for cheaper by the way, to reward him for his balls-out play on the court. Sigh.

"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen

by RMason on Jul 30, 2010 10:50 AM MDT reply actions  

but Warrick plays a totally diff game

they might compliment each other well, depending on the matchup.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

True story

I lived in the dorms at UNLV when a super quiet freshman named Lou Amundson moved onto my floor. We mostly just did the guy head nod in the hallway and never really talked, but along with Marion (and Banks, unfortunately), Lou’s been a Runnin Rebel connection for me and a favorite for all the reasons everyone else loves him.

That said, he seems to belong on a team that’ll give him 20 minutes a night. I am for helping him as much as possible by signing him and trading him somewhere he can thrive.

by JeHa on Jul 30, 2010 10:56 AM MDT reply actions  

was he rocken the pony tail?

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

I am for helping him as much as possible by signing him and trading him somewhere he can thrive.

Absolutely agree. The guy works too damn hard to be a 3rd string player.
To think of all the players stealing millions of dollars from their teams with half-assed play, and to see Lou left high-and-dry at the moment, this just plain sucks.

"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen

by RMason on Jul 30, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would keep him, here's why

1. That price isn’t going to break the bank at all.
2. It will keep him off the roster of competing teams (I heard Utah were interested).
3. We already lost Barbosa and Amare, we need to maintain the great chemistry from last season, bringing Lou back will help, since he already fits in great.
4. You can discuss minutes all you like, but competition for places is always a healthy thing. So what if he can only get a few mins a game? The deal won’t be criticised because it’s only $2m a year or thereabouts.
5. Useful trade chip.
6. We KNOW what Lou brings to the table. He may not be your 7 foot big man the Suns need as a back up, but he rebounds, hustles and blocks shots. Resigning him gives us security if Warrick/Childress/Hedo turn out to be fail. I know they’re different players in different positions but you know what I mean.

Yes, Lou’s a great guy, an underrated player, and deserves big minutes on a team. But if we’re going to make decisions based on what players deserve….

by Toon Army Sun on Jul 30, 2010 10:56 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

well put

I watched a condensed version of game 4 against LA yesterday on NBATV and Lou, when he was in there, got every rebound. The dude just produces.

(of course, they didn’t highlight his missed catches and bad handles)

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

You have the take the bad with the good..

If Lou had halfway decent hands, he would be a lock in my mind…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Sun God on Jul 30, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well

I noticed his jump shot and free throw shooting were improved last season…I’d like to see the improvements continue, but it’ll be tough in limited minutes (if we got him).

by Toon Army Sun on Jul 30, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

If I were Lou...

I’d spend the summer with some cricket team in England, learning how to catch a ball. If you an catch a cricket ball coming at you at between 45 and 85 mph, from ~20 ft, you can catch a basketball thrown to you by Nash.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Jul 30, 2010 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Give an offer

because I agree with 2NASHTY, I would rather have Lou on the court right now than Clark or even D. Collins. Anyways, if we are worried about playing time, for the younger guys, is the D League really out of the question? I know we sent Clark down there for three games so he could have more playing time. Why not do that for a longer period and see if he can’t start to take away the mental aspects of the game.

That being said, he does deserve to play more, but if the FO offers one or two years, that can let Lou be on the look out for a better situation in a few years.

by Handsome Bert on Jul 30, 2010 10:59 AM MDT reply actions  

there was talk last spring

about the Suns taking oownership of a DLeague franchise and putting them Prescott, kind of like the Spurs and OKC do. Their DLeague team runs the NBA offense and defense and stuff. It would be run by the Suns and be like a minor league.

If that happened, the Suns could shuttle Collins, Lawal, Clark, Reynolds, Dowdell back and forth.

However, I just read an article this morning by a blogger in SA who said, after all the love and kudos to this plan, not one player has emerged as a viable NBA candidate over the past few years. Not sure why that is. But there’s no guarantee the DLeague is a good breeding/teaching ground.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

It could be..

because most of the players sent there are of less talent or drive (Clark). But that is interesting, I haven’t heard about any of this or findings based off of the D-League.

by Handsome Bert on Jul 30, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

thank you bert

us good looking people got to stick together

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

This situation sucks balls

Lou deserves better than this. If we keep him their aren’t enough minutes to go around. We have to give minutes to Clark and Lawal to see what we have in them. I hope Lou gets paid and has plenty of playing time wherever he goes.
Lou if no one signs you come to Oz and play for the Adelaide 36ers. The weather is the same and we can give you all the cool steak and beer you want.

by Sunderstruck on Jul 30, 2010 11:00 AM MDT reply actions  

Could he back up Lopez? Could he be that backup big man, or is he too short? His height didn’t stop him from playing before, did it? No sense in signing him as a backup forward—the forward positions are stacked.

by 8472species on Jul 30, 2010 11:12 AM MDT reply actions  

:) He plays center because he’s seven feet tall, not because he’s a center. If he grandmother had four wheels, she’d be a car. Fine, fine. What if the Suns wanted another backup center, who does the things a center does?

by 8472species on Jul 30, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have 2 response to that

1) it’s still about minutes. If you want to call Frye a F, then who’s minutes does he take?

2) Frye is a perfectly good C in my book. Unconventional wins games.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

“He” grandmother? I have no idea why that came out, except that I never learned to look at the screen when typing, and must not have been paying attention.

by 8472species on Jul 30, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Warrick

And have the Suns actually signed Warrick yet?

by 8472species on Jul 30, 2010 11:14 AM MDT reply actions  

uh yeah

weeks ago.

4 yr, 18 mil. first 3 yrs guaranteed, 4th yr is team option.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

By the way

as of 10:30, each option has 30% of the vote. Quite even.

Couple this with the TMac/Rudy/Nothing vote the other day being so close, and you can maybe see that its not so easy to be an NBA GM, huh?

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:39 AM MDT reply actions  

I mean, each option has "at least" 30% of the vote

though options 1 and 3 both include re-signing him, with the most votes going toward signing him even if he won’t get any minutes.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Lou is a proven Suns who will humanize Sarver again!

Lou is a good example and an inspiration for the kids not only in Phoenix but all over the world.

His patience, very tough ‘give-it-all’ play and humility is very rare in the NBA.

How can Sarver refuse such a player who actually bikes to work?

by HA! on Jul 30, 2010 11:40 AM MDT reply actions  

well because he might want to actually sign and develop better players?

Warrick is more talented. Lawal and Collins both could give Lou hustle with a lot more NBA talent.

Lou is not perfect. Can’t blame the owner for wanting more if the player is looking at big money, especially early in the offseason and in the draft.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Alex,

I like you and I like your writing. Maybe there has been a bit too much of late but you are keeping this site going and I like you for that. But to ask whether we should re-sign Lou is crazy!

I will answer it like this:

Did I used to be called ‘maggot-willy’ by my brother when I was younger?

I think you have your answer.

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 11:41 AM MDT reply actions  

? what?

you think I’m writing too much? I love you keify, but my answer to that is: go ahead and skip the articles then. ;)

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

The NBA: Where Scott Howard happens.

by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

That’s not very clear. Please be more direct.

by 8472species on Jul 30, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

http://people.scs.carleton.ca/~claurend/tc/toucheTurtle1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.scs.carleton.ca/~claurend/tc/index.html&usg=__LbkqqsFF1VPwelx5M_f44Zz3sr0=&h=281&w=210&sz=26&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=SrVOLLzRPreH_M:&tbnh=161&tbnw=120&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtouche%2Bturtle%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D641%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=144&vpy=256&dur=232&hovh=224&hovw=168&tx=113&ty=155&ei=jBBTTKjqJqiL4gbKoJ2AAw&page=1&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:0"/>

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Just so you know, I was trying to get a picture of 'touche turtle'...

…it was meant to be clever but has left me looking like a d*ck. How apt.

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

oh really?

you don’t look any different to me.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

That hurts.

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol

depends how you interpret the comment.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

More importantly though, that 'love' you're talking about...

…is it the kind of love a mother has for her son?
…is it the kind of love a husband and wife have? or…
…is it the kind of love you’d have for a brother you never really wanted?

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

the kind of love

my wife has for the coyote who’s been living in the wash nera our house. She loves to look at it from afar but has no interest in getting within 100 feet of it.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

such a cute little puppy

(stay the f*ck over there though!)

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

keify

stop wasting time reading alex and get back to sweeping the castle, I’m sure those paripits don’t clean themselves

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't keep parrots.

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think 2Nashty meant he/she thinks you aren’t using deodorant.

by 8472species on Jul 30, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

No, he meant 'parapets'.

Although, parapets are really walls, so…

I don’t know how I ended up being the official 2Nashty translator…

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by haremoor on Jul 30, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ah! I get it now! You misspelt 'puppets'.

You weird f*cker.

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

haremoore tell these morons I can't spell and it's not my fault

“Parapet” how the fuk am I supposed to know how to spell it I live PHX, everything is made out of stucco I’ve never even seen a casttle.

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is a really wierd tangent we have gone off on

For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.

by Bkj on Jul 30, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

don't speak for 2nashty

he’s not your puppet

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

and I'm not a he/she

I’m a Mog

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

He can't spell, and it's not his fault.

I’ve never seen a castlle, either.

Love ya, 2Nashty.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 30, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haremoor and 2Nashty up a tree.

…K-I-S-S-I-N-G.

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

don’t make me insult you monarch

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Killer insult.

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

*your*

one day I’ll learn to type and spell…then you’ll all be sorry

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

And surprised.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 30, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

it'll be a mistake anyway

like that time he got closer to spelling a really difficult word than an easy one

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's actually 'you will'.

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

flagged

for hurting my feelings, it’s even worse because of your snooty accent

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ha! Jokes on you!

I’m not even English or in the UK!

Ha ha! Duped!

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

double flagged

for duping duping is illegal and frowned upon in sports…we don’t need a duping epidimic in the NBA, this is not MLB…u dope

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nah, I think of him more like my son.

My horrible spelling, nevertheless brilliant son.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 30, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Warrick is going to be a stud.

With the confidence Gentry will give him, and the coaching Cartwright will give him, I expect him to be a starter when Grant retires and Hedo moves into the starting 3.
     If Lou were to improve his FT shooting and develop his mid range jumper, he could win out as the 2nd team PF. Let’s see what happens.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 30, 2010 11:41 AM MDT reply actions  

I got it

put luo and warrick in some sort of structure; maybe a dome. and this dome is probably loud, so loud you could say it was thundoures. so they both go in but the thing is only one gets to come out. that would be a blast. and niether would be mad if we didn’t offer the max

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 11:45 AM MDT reply actions  

I wonder what kind of money Amundson actually wants, anyway. If it’s a few million a year, someone will give it to him eventually.

by 8472species on Jul 30, 2010 11:49 AM MDT reply actions  

Amundson in the 2010 playoffs

This whole discussion is academic to me, because I assume the Suns will stick to plan and not re-sign Amundson; but does anyone remember Amundson kicking * at times in the playoffs? Ihave a vage memory of him torturing the Lakers on the glass and being instrumental in some comebacks.

by 8472species on Jul 30, 2010 11:54 AM MDT reply actions  

right

that’s kinds why threads like this get started

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

To give playoff warriors their due respect?

by 8472species on Jul 30, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Lou was a spark off the bench.

Sadly, my memory fails me horribly in recalling individual performances, but I remember him bringing energy when we lagged at times.

I’m not biased enough to say he’s the greatest power forward alive but I recall clearly believing in the team changing things round when he came on.

Again, I’d rather have him with us, than against us.

And if it’s so easy for other players to duplicate what Lou does, why are there so few of them in the league?

Heart is something you can’t put a price on. Except in this instance when his heart is worth more than Hakim Warrick.

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

nice

I agree with this “And if it’s so easy for other players to duplicate what Lou does, why are there so few of them in the league?”

but not necessarily this, until I see him play for a while: “Except in this instance when his heart is worth more than Hakim Warrick.”

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey um alex, that is what blockquotes are used for.

For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.

by Bkj on Jul 30, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol

For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.

by Bkj on Jul 30, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Blockquotes motherf*ckers!

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol,

@

Blockquotes motherf*ckers!

For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.

by Bkj on Jul 30, 2010 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I freely admit my <3 for Lou got in the way on that last comment.

I’m secretly hoping Lou reads this site, sees my love for him and employs me as his BFF. Like Paris Hilton has done.

But back to real life: In all honesty, I know very little about Warrick. Obviously I’ll be on his side when the season starts but I’m confused as to why we got him.

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

But not as well?

What are the pros and cons for Warrick? I seriously have no idea.

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

From what I gather

He’s a good P&R player, has great athleticism, finishes strong, sets a mean screen, and can knock down the midrange jumper.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 30, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Check out this fanpost by Eutychus...

HERE
It fell off the front page pretty quickly (because of all the ridiculous trade posts) but it’s really good.

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Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 30, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nicely done man.

Warrick might be my favourite tweeter after the ‘geese’ comment.

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

that was good stuff

espaisially harington’s head as a sack rest

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I espaisially liked that, too.

Spell check is your friend. If a word has little red underlines, right click on it, and it will give you the correct spelling.

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Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 30, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

the thing is

if they re-sign Lou, they’ll have to play him and won’t be able to trade him without getting fans in an uproar.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

well not all of us are throwing hissy fits here.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 30, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bkj has a very short fuse...almost like a timebomb.

I’m scared of bkj.

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Was it Brian32 or was it another Brian?

The one that would type stuff like…

“I’ve just been told by my landlord that if I don’t stop shouting and jumping up and down he’ll cancel my tenancy. He also told me to put my shirt and pants back on’.

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

God I've missed this place.

I was re-reading old game threads the other day.

Judge me all you want but I could feel myself welling up.

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually the best quote about him was from you...

Brian32 – how you feeling?

“No panic here. But maybe look at Brian32, he is always liable to panic. Then rage. Then panic some more. And then punch his girl. And then panic a bit more….”

Hilarious… BTW Did you know him and Bkj have the exact same avatar…?

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Sun God on Jul 30, 2010 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are you seriously telling me they are the same person?

I fear for my life…

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't panic, he may be reformed....

Look at me..In my previous life I was a choir boy…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Sun God on Jul 30, 2010 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

whoa

that’s an image I made for a game thread…

thieves!

by Fritzy on Jul 31, 2010 1:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Priceless
He also told me to put my shirt and pants back on’

For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.

by Bkj on Jul 30, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

kinda like now?

Coro mentioned in his azcentral.com article that he’s gotten more inquiries about Lou than Amare since the offseason started.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

forgot how many players the Suns lost

I don’t know. The Suns have added Warrick, Gawal, Turkoglu, Childress, and possibly Dwayne Collins; but they lost Stoudemire, Barbosa and Dwayne Jones; Dwayne Collins probably won’t make the team; Turkoglu is completely different from Amundson and therefore won’t compete directly with him for minutes; same thing with Childress; nobody really knows what Warrick will do; Gawal is a rookie; and Jarron Collins won’t come back. Maybe the team is not too full to keep Amundson. And we keep talking about the weak rebounding.

by 8472species on Jul 30, 2010 12:04 PM MDT reply actions  

read the post above

there are 10 guys who deserve at least 20 minutes a night. Historically, its near impossible to even play 10 a night (kudos to Gentry for breaking that mold). Going even deeper into the bench on a consistent basis would be even harder.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who are those 10 guys? Let’s see…Nash, Richardson, Hill, Turkoglu, Dragic, Frye, and, I guess, Childress. …Who are the other three? Can’t be Lawal (sorry for getting his name wrong above)—why would a second-round pick deserve 20 minutes a night? Warrick hasn’t done a thing yet. Is there really no room for Amundson?

by 8472species on Jul 30, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Did I forget someone?

by 8472species on Jul 30, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, yes—sorry, Mr. Lopez. That’s still not ten players, though.

by 8472species on Jul 30, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

You forgot the very important Jared Dudley and also the newly acquired Hakim Warrick

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 30, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oops—Dudley. But no, I didn’t forget Warrick. He is a total mystery; who knows whether he will pan out.

by 8472species on Jul 30, 2010 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

he's been in the league 5 yrs

and is making 4 mil for 3+ yrs. Yes, he’s getting minutes.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol if you watch some of the highlight videos that have been posted up here

you’ll see why a lot of people, including me, are actually excited to have him. Or just youtube search “hakim warrick”.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 30, 2010 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

You forgot Lopez, Dudley, and D. Collins.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 30, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Because Lawal has been the Suns' best Summer League player.

I watched some of his highlights and he looks good. He was projected to be a first-round pick but he slipped all the way down to the 40s. What caused that again?

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 30, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

The same dumb luck that dropped Gilbert Arenas down. Eh?

by 8472species on Jul 30, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

refusing to use block quotes

“Nash, Dragic, Richardson, Childress, Hill, Dudley, Turkoglu, Warrick, Lopez and Frye. That’s 10 guys.”

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 30, 2010 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol, shame on you! :)

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by Bkj on Jul 30, 2010 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have never in my life used blockquotes =)

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 30, 2010 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually I do.

I still don’t know all the tools available to me on this site, so I should check it out =)

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 30, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I voted #1 but I'm thinking we shouldn't re-sign him.

Our recent forward signings have much more upside, especially Warrick. They bring offense to our team and Gentry’s simple defensive schemes should allow for the team to be an average defensive team. If I recall, Lou’s not the best one-on-one defender so we’re not losing a defensive stopper.

I’m not calling Lou one-dimensional but we know what he brings and I don’t think there’s much more that he can add. Bad defensive players can work to improve their defense but bad offensive players take much longer to improve on offense. Plus, good offense can overshadow bad defense (i.e. Amar’e, Nash, Dirk). Good defense never overshadows bad offense (i.e. Battier, Bowen) .

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 30, 2010 12:06 PM MDT reply actions  

You're going on my 'Lou black list' now. Congratulations.

You’re gonna find NO recs coming your way. Ever.

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

And I particularly don't agree with
Bad defensive players can work to improve their defense but bad offensive players take much longer to improve on offense.

I would say defense is based on a tremendous work ethic and that is something you just can’t train towards.

Quick poll:

What do you think is easier to improve:

a) Defense
b) Offense

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by keify34 on Jul 30, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good answer...

politically correct, but good…

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by Sun God on Jul 30, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Me, I like just about every kinda BS...

Politically correct or otherwise…

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by Sun God on Jul 30, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

bullshit

OOOOOOOO

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m out. I’m just irritating people.

by 8472species on Jul 30, 2010 12:19 PM MDT reply actions  

And I just got labeled a Lou hater for being positive about our recent signings.

I guess Bob Saget-Ted Mosby was right. You can do something right 1000 times but if you mess up that 1001st time, it all goes down the drain.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 30, 2010 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

It takes 1000 'attaboys' to equal one 'Ah, shit'.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 30, 2010 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's right..I now label you a loser...

Turn in your BSOTS t-shirt and promptly go home…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Sun God on Jul 30, 2010 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

=(

But why? =(

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 30, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Improper syntax usage in your posting...

Next to genocide, there is hardly anything worse…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Sun God on Jul 30, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

damn sun god

maybe blazer fans were right

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

about what...?

I still think LMA is a thirteen year old girl disguised as a basketball player…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Sun God on Jul 30, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wanted to see what all the hubub was amout the Bedge thing so i checked the archives for both sites…they called u out a bunch on thier site. ithought it was funny as hell…and i thought i shoulda joined BSOTS a long time ago

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wish I would have joined BSOTS a long time ago as well...

Then I could have been calling their fans thirteen year old girls from as far back as 2007….

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Sun God on Jul 30, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

BTW, the BEDGE "loves" Seth even more than me...

Not sure how as I have always considered myself the biggest jackass on this site…

I so badly want to be the best at something…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Sun God on Jul 30, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I saw that too…don’t think they got that BSOTS didn’t want to spend all day bitching about amere’s elbows

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

BTW

sun god= best scott hater

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I actually respect Scott's writing ability...

Sense of humor is almost as warped as mine, however…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Sun God on Jul 30, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

So he's essentially your foil.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 30, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

On the serious tip, he's a great writer...

I just enjoy ragging on him and he has thick skin…

P.S. I just hope he wasn’t listening to the part where I said he’s a great writer…Can’t make him think I am getting soft…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Sun God on Jul 30, 2010 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I did get that...

being a huge bull shitter and sarcastic mofo. both my b.s. and sarcasim meter are finely tuned….unlike my grahmer and speling metors

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Aw.

Rec’d for adorableness

RIP Seasons of Discontent

by Scott Howard on Jul 30, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who let you out...?

You didn’t chew up on the sofa again, did you…?

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Sun God on Jul 30, 2010 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

just because they love justine bieber and wine constantly doesn’t mean you should insult 13 year old girls

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

You right...

Besides my daughter is 13 and she is mad that Hannah Montana ain’t releasing a new movie…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Sun God on Jul 30, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

This day just keeps getting worse.

Now I’m depressed.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 30, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm going to take a leap here and chalk this one up to your usual good humor.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 30, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

my humor is usually pretty bad...

Even my own wife and children think I am a schmuck…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Sun God on Jul 30, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

then I shall call it sarcasm rather than humor.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 30, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Noted.

I’ve always loved your colorful comments and will continue to.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 30, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

what...no

why does scott get to stay and MV3 has to go?
these rules suck

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

We are stuck with Scott..

Kinda like that ugly hairy mole on the chin of the dental assistant you always seem to get stuck with at the Dentist…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Sun God on Jul 30, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

scott = hemroids ?

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

thats possimpable

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 30, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fair?

That is where I go to ride the midway rides and eat corn dogs and deep-fried Twinkies. What does fair have to do with this? Lou has options, we have options. If he finds that his best option is to take whatever role and contract we would offer him, then he should do that. Yeah, he’d get very little playing time as our 3rd string backup C/PF, but then again, look how much time Jarron Collins got last year. Injuries happen and he’d be a great insurance policy. Lawal and Dwayne Collins? Those guys might be players someday, but they’re mysteries right now. We can hardly rely on them.

by East Bay Ray on Jul 30, 2010 1:47 PM MDT reply actions  

Lou coming back?

NO WAY. Lou is a good defender, but too small to be a center. PHX should sign a real center— Mark Blount would be pretty good. If the Suns got one More REAL Center they would be the best team in the WC and a champion team, no doubt about it.

We need room for Gani Lawal and Dwayne Collins— they will play bigger roles that most think this year. We need to drop guys who don’r really want to be in PHX. We just need to get draft picks for the guys who don’t really want to play here.

That would include Clark, and possibly Dudley (if he is wanting to go, and feeling crowded out. We could then pick up someone like Scottie Renyolds as well.

Get draft picks and draft a great Center next year.

For now, we just need a back up Center who is big and can play good defense and OK offense, with decent rebounding— As opposed to OK defense (due to fouls), poor rebounding, and no offense (Jarron Collins).

Don’t give any things we need anyway and get the last piece we need ( one more true Center).

by Eagle Sun on Jul 30, 2010 9:43 PM MDT reply actions  

What is your basis

for saying Lawal and Collins will play bigger roles than people think? These are untested, untried second round picks who may well struggle to make the team. Just how are they going to make an impact? I sure hope that can add something to the team but I have my doubts. As far as Dudley is concerned, do you really think the team would be better off without it’s HEART. Do you think a bad actor/quitter like Turkoglu will do much for the Suns? Who did you have in mind for the back up center that the Suns can go out and get? The only way the Suns will be able to draft a center is to become a lottery team. It looks like they may be headed in that direction.
I sure agree with you re: Jarron Collins. He was a very unprofessional disappointment last year. He was out of shape and literally useless at the end of the Season. Mark Blount? Ugh!!! Maybe the Suns should bring back Mark West.

by da suns on Jul 31, 2010 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

I love Lou to the bone.

But he really won’t have any minutes here. Those other teams should open their eyes and set on Lou! This guy is a stud. If they want defense and rebounding, Lou is the guy. I want to him to have the contract he deserves.

Steve Nash can only give 100 percent. The other 10 percent he donates to his families.

I believe in the destiny of the Suns. We can prevail.

by suns champ on Jul 30, 2010 11:02 PM MDT reply actions  

When you have a guy like Lou on your team

he brings tremendous heat and heart to a team. I say offer Lou a contract that gives him a raise for his performance last season. Put him in the mix and let him and every other forward on the team fight for minutes. If Lou continues to improve his hands, shot, and free throw shooting, there is no reason not to have him on the team. He will challenge every other pf on the team to play harder and earn minutes. If Lawal, Turk or whoever cannot out produce Lou, then that person will have to sit. In a way, I was disappointed with the seemingly small amount of improvement Lou made in his shooting last year. He is a terrific athlete and has size and strength. There must be someone out there who could help him with his shooting stroke.
Sure the Suns have signed some players for more money than Lou would be offered. If Lou beats them out in a fair competition then you could get rid/trade the other players. If Hakim Warrik can’t out rebound, out defend and out shoot Lou… As far as giving PT to the rookies, forget it.
Whoever wrote that Lou is not a good defender apparently doesn’t watch the Suns play. He is not only a good one on one defender, he is a terrific post defender. Watch the games and you will see Lou come from the weak side time after time to cover the post and challenge and block a great many shots. He has the defensive back of his team mates. OFFER LOU A CONTRACT. If he can’t earn minutes then that is the way it is. I sure wouldn’t bet against him.

by da suns on Jul 31, 2010 10:02 AM MDT reply actions  

Championship team? Yes

One more Center like Mark Blount would make the Suns a Championship team.

The Suns almost got past the LA Fakers this time, but Stat and Fyre were just not enough to defend (Stat never really specialized at Defense, Frye is learning to defend and rebound better). Lopez did well, but he was coming back and couldn’t play as many minutes as we needed then.

One more True Center is the key for the Suns to overcome a team when we must play two centers (Fakers in the playoffs, etc.) on the field at times. Also keep in mind that just a couple wins in the regular season ( and winning the other regular season game in PhX vs. LAL) would have put the Suns as the #1 seed.

If we have Rolo and one more True Center, other teams won’t be able to dominate with size, and the Suns will be virtually unstoppable in the playoffs.

Mark Blount would need to get in shape a bit, but he is a “Grant Hill” type of player (experienced, and wants a championship), a good defender, good rebounder, 6-7 points a game.

Another True Center would only need to get 6 points, 6 rebounds, 20 minutes for the Suns to be the best in the Western Conf. Rolo can do the rest ( I expect that he will get 14 points, 8 rebounds a game, now that STAT is gone.

The point is, we don’t need to have an all- star back-up Center, and shouldn’t trade away to get one.

Give up players who want more money for draft picks, and we can get a top quality Center in the first round next year. We just need a True Center who can meet the above qualifications for the next 3 years or so.

I expect Collins and Lawal to be played for 5-10 minutes a night in games, to help them develop. Lawal and Collins could eventually replace 70-80% of Stat’s offense, and can be better defenders than even Lou is.

Dwanye Collins is a PF who can operate in the Offense while guarding a Big Man on Defense (it would help if he were on with Frye.)

by Eagle Sun on Jul 31, 2010 5:32 PM MDT reply actions  

You might be a little overconfident in the abilities of our rookies.

And building a franchise with the purpose of beating a specific team could be a recipe for disaster. - See Shaquille O’Neal

by waxmonkey on Jul 31, 2010 7:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dudley, Clark, and Draft Picks

The point about Dudley and Clark is that we should get draft picks for them if they don’t really want to play here.

I would clear out Clark now (not a good fit for our team [more so than Lou or Dudley}). IF, that is, IF, Dudley wants more money and playing time, let’s see if we can get something we need (like draft pocks)— from a team that would like him and play him (Nets, Knicks, Bulls, etc.).

Suns must develop what we have gotten in the draft, rather than keeping what doesn’t work, what the Suns don’t play, or what won’t really improve.

by Eagle Sun on Jul 31, 2010 5:38 PM MDT reply actions  

All this talk about Dudley not wanting to play here is a load of crap, based on a vague and ambiguous 'tweet'.

Dudley is here two more years, if we want to pay him (2011-12 he is a RFA). Chances are, if we keep him, we will extend him. But to usher him out the door before he says anything definitive is really silly.
    I do believe we used a draft pick to get Clark. He had a fairly pedestrian summer league (better than Goran and Robin last year, though), so now he is on the trading block, too. As is, apparently Warrick. How about we see what we have before giving up the farm? Kerr, Majerle, Sarver, and Gentry have all said EC is special. That means something to me – they see him in practice against NBA caliber players, and are better equipped to make judgments like that.
     All that being said, I agree that we don’t need an all-star big man to back up Lopez/Frye, but it would be nice to get someone with an upside.
Scottie Reynolds is going to Italy, so he isn’t an option as a backup PG, so we need to address that, too. We are reputed to be looking at Matt Janning – I hope we can get him.

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by haremoor on Jul 31, 2010 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Reason for last post

Otherwise, we will have wasted our draft picks again.

by Eagle Sun on Jul 31, 2010 5:40 PM MDT reply actions  

Keeping Lou

Why keep Lou even now: Reason 1) chemistry chemistry chemistry – if the Suns learned nothing else last year chemistry matters – I think Suns are totally underestimating the % of that chemistry that came from Lou – he was always on the court when the 2nd line made their playoff comebacks last year, the Suns may have already burned that bridge but I’m hoping not (I would have kept Lou over signing Warrick given (given we signed Turkoglu & Childress) and Reason 2) we really dont ‘have a 4 so whose to say we wont’ see Turkoglu or Warrick playing 3 – still have 10 players but some nights depending on match-ups you may want to go bigger (or smaller) – so the more high energy, proven pieces the better.

by gsimsar on Aug 2, 2010 4:18 PM MDT reply actions  

Keeping Lou cont.

And he’s a great insurance policy if one of the 3 ‘new guys’ doesn’t ‘work out’ – chemistry, character, hustle, etc.

by gsimsar on Aug 2, 2010 4:29 PM MDT reply actions  

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