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Turning J-Rich into Gold

So Amare's gone, and as of right now, all we have to show for it is the return of Channing Frye and the addition of Hakim Warrick.  Not much to write home about.

The silver lining in this dark cloud of looming mediocrity seems to come in the form of one man: Jason Richardson, and his magical expiring contract. If the Suns can turn this assest into a true star player, the future might become just a little bit clearer and rosier.  But who? Who will be the Suns' salvation?

Star-divide

The Good:

  • Josh Smith, Power Forward, Atlanta Hawks: This is my dream scenario, and so leads off my list.  Cruising the internet at far too late an hour, I saw a very generic, unspecific rumour on HoopsHype that the Hawks might be interested in unloading Josh Smith, in order to slide Horford over to the PF slot, and more importantly, to clear some money after giving JJ that mammoth contract. And so I propose:

Jason Richardson and Earl Clark to the Atlanta Hawks for Josh Smith.  J-Rich clears money for the Hawks, and Earl Clark provides ATL with another lengthy headcase to fit in for J-Smoove.  As for the Suns, Earl Clark's best-case scenario is Josh Smith, isn't it? At 25, Smith slides right into the PF slot, providing shot blocking and a midrange game next to Lopez, and should be around for a while. Plus, the though of Nash throwing Smith alley-oops makes me dizzy.

The Bad (And most likely)

  • Monte Ellis, Shooting Guard, Golden State Warriors: Well, the guy can put up points.  Plus, a Nash/Dragic - Ellis backcourt might be the quickest in league history.  Of course, Nash and Ellis on the same court would be a defensive nightmare.  Weirdly enough, I think this one has possibilities - Ellis is only 25, and if Dragic turns into the defensive guard we all hope he will be, Dragic/Ellis could be a killer combo down the road.  Perhaps
Jason Richardson and Earl Clark to the Warriors for Monte Ellis and Kelenna Azubuike.  J-Rich clears their cap, gives Curry breathing room, and returns a favorite son to the Bay.  Clark gives them yet another skinny tweener they like so much, and Azubuike puts another deadly shooter in the Suns system.  Not perfect.  But maybe Dragic-Ellis-Azubuike-Warrick-Lopez turns into something. Nasty backcourt.
  •  Andre Igoudala, Small Forward/Shooting Guard, Philly 76ers: Andre had his best statistical year last year, going for 17, 6 and 6.  I think that about says it - Iggy has maxed out as a player, and when your max is 17, 6 and 6, your team isnt going anywhere.  Maybe he would get up to 20 points a game playing in the Suns system, with Nash feeding him the ball - but is that even any better than J-Rich? Even for a UA fan, color me skeptical.  The only way this trade makes sense is if it's straight up:
Jason Richardson to the Sixers for Andre Igoudala.  Yes it's an improvement.  But not a big enough one to get anywhere.  I do think the Sixers do it - they need to get some cap space, and clear room for Evan Turner.
  • Al Jefferson, Power Foward/Center, Minnesota Timberwolves: I know a lot of people have been crapping on this idea recently, but only 2 years ago Al was the best young big in the league, a modern day McHale.  His injury history is overblown - certainly not any worse than Amare's - and he very young, and has room to grow. I'm not saying this is perfect, and I may even get lynched for saying it, but:
Jason Richardson and Robin Lopez to the T-Wolves for Al Jefferson.  J-Rich is yet again cap relief, and plays as their starting 2.  Lopez slots in nicely to Love on the Wolves (who I really want - Love is a stud and would flourish next to Nash and Dragic) and Big Al is the Suns center.  Before everyone goes crazy, yes Al can't run on the break - but when we still had D'Antoni, we came pretty close to fitting Shaq in with our style, and he wasn't half the player Al is or was at that point.  Al can grab boards, finally gives the Suns a legit, half court, low post player they've been missing since we lost the Alcindor coin flip.  Also, Warrick and Frye slot in nicely next to Al. Then you're building on Dragic-Barbs-Clark-Warrick/Frye-Jefferson.  Of course, there's a 50 percent chance Al never recovers from the knee injury and is the next Elton Brand.  I say it's worth the risk.  Barely
  • David Lee, Power Forward, New York Knickerbockers (really still their name?): I know there is still a slight possibility of getting him in a sign and trade for STAT (ideal) and I've also heard Barbs mentioned (this works too).  Since my whole theme is J-Rich's expiring contract, tho, I'm throwing him in there.
Jason Richardson to the Knicks for David Lee.  I don't think Lee is taking less than 10 mill a year.  With Richardson, we get him at that price.  J-Rich fills in really well for the Knicks, obviously, and doesn't mess with their 2011 cap space (so they can run at more free agents, like Carmelo).  Lee provides the rebounding the Suns need, and because he developed a mid-range game last year, could compliment Lopez.  Honestly, tho? I truly believe D'Antoni wildly increased Lee's numbers - he's a good rebounder, and nothing else.  He'll be way to expensive, and the only reason this trade makes sense is if the Suns are suddenly competing with the Pacers for most white dudes.
The Ugly:  Stephen Jackson, Trevor Ariza, Gilbert Arenas, Jeff Green, Luol Deng.   Thug, Under-talented, Overpaid, role player and overpaid.  Ech.
The Impossible: Carmelo Anthony, Chris Paul. It's not happening, and you know it.
So what say you? I think the Suns need a star out of J-Rich's contract, and there are a few out there.  My hope is that we stay patient and grab a true star at the deadline and don't, in the words of Tobias Funke, shoot our wad on what was supposed to be a dry run.

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I like. But that’s under the assumption that we sign him to a long-term contract (or is he still under one? I’m not sure). I think they would be willing to get a prospect in earl clark, though only if their cap situation was really bad. It seems unlikely they’d want to clear him from their roster. If I was atlanta, I wouldn’t do that trade.

Al = overpaid / defensive liability
ellis = overpaid / defensive liability

by ryansunsfan on Jul 6, 2010 6:42 AM MST reply actions  

Coulda drafted Josh Smith

We had the #7 pick in the 2004 draft, I was fired up about drafting Josh Smith at the time. But the Suns traded #7 pick to the Bulls for a second-round pick (#31), a future first-rounder and $3 million in cash on the draft day. Talk about dissapointment! I flipped out.

Oh we could have had Luol Deng, Andre Iguodala, Andris Biedriņš, Al Jefferson, JR Smith, Jameer Nelson, or Kevin Martin as well.

by eagleheart on Jul 6, 2010 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

right, but that money was saved to spend on veterans that summer

QRich and some guy named Steve Nash. Sarver spent a boatload that year, his first as owner.

The Suns were coming off 29-53 season with Amare, JJ and LB and a bunch of other kids. Bryan Colangelo and Jerry C (who was still chairman) wanted vets.

I think it worked out pretty well that season. Wouldn’t you say?

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 6, 2010 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Q was a bit overpaid though. He should have only been making about 5 mil like Channing now instead of the 8 mil contract he got.

by Beavis 25 on Jul 6, 2010 11:18 AM MST up reply actions  

I can see why he wanted 8 mil though; he was coming off of a season where averaged 17+ppg, but it was with the Clippers.

by Beavis 25 on Jul 6, 2010 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

right

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 6, 2010 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

JRich is already a superstar. Keep him - at least til the trade deadline.

We have other methods to get players without giving up our leading scorer and leading prospect.

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by haremoor on Jul 6, 2010 7:57 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

^this^

It must be that time of day, the time to focus on sports.

by b0rd3rline on Jul 6, 2010 8:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes! That’s exactly what I say. Why don’t we all value Jason Richardson as more than trade bait?

by 8472species on Jul 6, 2010 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

ahmen +1

Some of these trades are not in the best long term interests of the team.

by da suns on Jul 6, 2010 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes the Suns have a great opportunity with JRich expiring

along with Grant Hill.

Carmelo Anthony, Chris Paul, Josh Smith, and the list will grow. Also, if the Suns end up with the TPE from Amare/Warrick deals for net 13 mill, plus get some relief from LB trade, thats TWO max slots available (one via trade, one via cap space next yr).

Factor in the expiring CBA and sure-to-be-panicing owners who didn’t already clear cap space and the Suns will be the ones in the drivers’ seat.

THAT’s the rebuilding we can do. The new GM will key to all this.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 6, 2010 8:17 AM MST reply actions  

Bring him back

If he’s avg’ing 20/6 or thereabouts, I say give him an extension. Every team needs at least 2 players who can go off for 40 on any given night. We used to have 2 in STAT and JRich, so why would we reduce that to 0?
Hell, maybe he’ll realize that less money over more years is better (see Richard Jefferson), or he may just wait to hit free agency with Carmelo.
Until the Suns start struggling, I’m keeping the team intact as best as I can if I’m playing owner.

by ajotanelsona on Jul 6, 2010 8:40 AM MST reply actions  

Keep J-Rich but instead of Josh Smith

Let’s find a way to grab Al Horford. If the Hawks don’t give him an extension and just give a qualifying offer, maybe we could give him an offer the Hawks can’t match. Hawks just gave Johnson a max deal and Josh Smith is already has a huge contract. I doubt they could keep their trio while still trying to keep Crawford for them.

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by Spit_Fire on Jul 6, 2010 8:59 AM MST reply actions  

But the Suns already have a good big man named Robin Lopez. If he’s not better than Al Horford, he probably soon will be.

by 8472species on Jul 6, 2010 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

I think he will end up being better than his brother in fact just like some scouts believed him to be when he was drafted. His defense is already better than Brooks and that is harder to learn.

by Beavis 25 on Jul 6, 2010 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Perhaps

But will his back problem turn into a chronic injury that will cause Fropez to miss large blocks of time? If he has some value, might now be the time to get value in return?

by da suns on Jul 6, 2010 11:11 AM MST up reply actions  

Horford's a natural 4 that is playing 5 so as not to play Josh Smith at 3.

I’d rather get Horford and be our replacement for Amare. He might not be the 20 ppg scorer Amare is but he’s still young and has a better post defense than Lee.

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by Spit_Fire on Jul 6, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Horford looks to be a

budding star. Do you think Atlanta will trade him?

by da suns on Jul 6, 2010 11:12 AM MST up reply actions  

No, they won't trade Horford.

They will put Shaq at center, and move Horford to PF, his natural position. Horford was drafted #3, right behind Brandon Roy. I’d love to get him, but they won’t give him up.
BTW, Josh Smith is a natural PF, too.

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by haremoor on Jul 6, 2010 12:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Josh Smith has spent the majority of his playing time at Small forward...

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by Daryl Ray on Jul 6, 2010 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Marvin Williams is their small forward

Their current roster:
Bibby
Johnson
Williams
Smith
Horford

Timon: Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata! Ain't no passing craze
Timon: It means no worries for the rest of your days
Timon: It's our problem-free philosophy
Both: Hakuna Matata!

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by Spit_Fire on Jul 6, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Brandon Roy was in the 2006 draft class and Horford's in 2007

Maybe you meant to say Durant.

Timon: Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata! Ain't no passing craze
Timon: It means no worries for the rest of your days
Timon: It's our problem-free philosophy
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by Spit_Fire on Jul 6, 2010 1:44 PM MST up reply actions  

You're right.

The memory is the second thing to go.

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by haremoor on Jul 6, 2010 1:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I hope Horford bitches about playing position or anything that would result in him being traded

Or being released by the Hawks.

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Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata! Ain't no passing craze
Timon: It means no worries for the rest of your days
Timon: It's our problem-free philosophy
Both: Hakuna Matata!

The Lion King (1994)

by Spit_Fire on Jul 6, 2010 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't really want Andre, I think we could do better.

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by Jaxis on Jul 6, 2010 11:48 AM MST reply actions  

I bet Sarver dangles him at the trade deadline...

…and then doesn’t deal. That seems to be his way.

by jc79 on Jul 6, 2010 4:33 PM MST reply actions  

i think that was more Kerr than Sarver

its the GMs job to find a quality trading partner/assets

Kerr was really good at assessing talent, and was able to draft/sign well because he knew who would fit. His only problem was getting good value in a trade situation (except the Jrich-Duds/Bell-Diaw trade)

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 6, 2010 6:49 PM MST up reply actions  

I guess these hypotheses all depend on whether the Suns are buyers or sellers come February.

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by RMason on Jul 6, 2010 5:03 PM MST reply actions  

PREDICTION: Suns will trade J-Rich for Amare in 2011

After starting 1-29 (one win vs Suns), the Knicks will start shopping Amare. Since they only care about expiring contracts they won’t be able to resist the expiring contract of J-Rich and the 1 1/2 seasons of Barbosa’s contract. The Knicks will throw in a piece to make the $ match and sell their fans that 2011 is THE off season when Melo comes to NY to start a legacy. Sarver will save about 10 mil. by not paying for the 1st half of the season and Amare will admit that going to a run and gun team w/o a PG was pretty dumb idea that his homies talked him into for the sake of throwing after parties. Upon completing rehab for microfractured ego from small fish/big pond syndrome Amare will return from the ashes as Phoenix rises to the Playoffs.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Jul 6, 2010 5:54 PM MST reply actions  

That was pretty funny.

by 8472species on Jul 6, 2010 6:35 PM MST up reply actions  

funny

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 6, 2010 6:50 PM MST up reply actions  

I forgot to mention the part about how the Knicks own Ricky Rubio...

even though they didn’t draft him because everybody wants to play for the Knicks and all this posturing about signing Lebron was just a ploy to convince the Twolves to feel sorry for NYK and trade Rubio for a luxury box in MSG.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Jul 7, 2010 12:01 AM MST up reply actions  

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