David Lee Very Unlikely In Phoenix
by Alex Laugan on Jul 7, 2010 9:46 AM MDT
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PrintDon't get your hopes up for David Lee in a Suns uniform.
With Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade committing to Miami today, and LBJ leaning back to Cleveland (I mean, can you imagine the horror of not only leaving his home town but rubbing it in their faces via an hour-long nationally televised announcement?!?!?), there are a number of teams left holding the money bag.
Chicago spent a year clearing cap space for this summer (Hinrich, Salmons, Tyrus Thomas, etc.) and now has 30 mil in a briefcase ready to spend. NJ Nets have a new billionaire owner and 30 mil to spend. NY Knicks still have 20 mil or so to spend. Minnesota has been courting Lee, as well. Hell, if Cleveland DOES lose LeBron (likely second choice being Miami with Wade and Bosh), then throw them in the mix, too.
David Lee and Carlos Boozer are the next best free agents left.
And they are salivating. They can smell the fear and desperation in the air. They can smell the money about to be laid at their feet.
Why would Lee's agent drop out early, and take less money to sign-and-trade with the Suns tomorrow?
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Cleveland can't do anything even with Lebron gone
unless they’re trading away LBJ via sign and trade, which Dan Gilbert said he won’t do. CLE is so far over the cap/tax line that even after losing James they’ll only have MLE to play with.
Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!
Well, the Suns COULD offer the same money as those other teams
Since it’s via sign-and-trade. They’re just not likely to, and they shouldn’t.
Bloggin' 'bout AZ sports ... SB Nation Arizona
I'm really dissapointed in the suns if they can't get someone in return for Amare.
I agree with you the Suns could offer the same money. I heard a comment from that Walters guy saying that they would be all for giving back to the Suns. But I guess this is it. David Lee will upgrade the Warriors big time. I think its down to 3 teams for Lebron tonight. Miami, New York and Cleveland.
good point.
everyone is throwing around ridiculous money. Hell, if I were a free agent right now I could land a max deal.
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You probably could
If your agent is good, you can probably also get incentive bonuses for staying alive and a 500% trade kicker and an opt out clause after each day and coupons for foot massage..
Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!
One thing we can't rule out.
Though this is not commonplace in todays free agency, but maybe a player signs somewhere because he wants to win. We saw our star player speak these words with his mouth but totally contradict them with his actions. Looks like the Bulls are going to loose out on any of the big 4-5-6 so they are not going to be a contender. Miami has their guys locked up and NY literally has nothing but Amare and will continue to suck even in a weak Eastern conference. So, if Lee wants to go to a contender, his only choice seems to be to go to Phoenix. I have said this before but I think Lee at 5/70 is a good deal. Lee may be considered a step below these other players and that contract shows that value. I would even consider higher, especially considering this could be Nash’s last year in a Suns uniform.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jul 7, 2010 9:55 AM MDT reply actions
Kevin Durant and Steve Nash are the only honorable stars in this league, I think
Bloggin' 'bout AZ sports ... SB Nation Arizona
by Justin Burning on Jul 7, 2010 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Theres always a few good guys left..
Quite a few folks have taken less money to stay home over the past few years…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
+1
Duncan, Pierce, Dirk, you can put Nash in the group too.
If Nash was a free agent now, imagine what kind of offers he’d be getting. 2 years and $22M? Ha.
Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!
Yes, forgot about those guys
Bloggin' 'bout AZ sports ... SB Nation Arizona
by Justin Burning on Jul 7, 2010 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Gilbert Arenas gave a discount
and the Wiz are reaping the benefits.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Jul 7, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
65 million dollars/5 years is all I'm comfortable with
14 million per year=eesh.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 7, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
That is only 65% of what Amare is getting. Considering that Lee is at least 90-95% of Amare that is a heck of a deal.
And it could be out there. No official offers have come about Lee, but most accounts has him at 11-14 million. So “within” our budget.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jul 7, 2010 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Can you imagine some GM slapping himself shortly before giving Boozer a max deal...?
Some front office people are going to have nightmares for years to come after this debacle…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
Like the GMs that gave Drew Gooden the MLE and Darko Milicic 5/20. So Miami is the only one that could semi improve itself but that also requires getting some guys taking minimum to play with Bosh and Wade. If Lebron stays in Cleveland, they are the same. The Knicks may win 5 games more with Amare. The Nets same team but overpaying some mid level players. Chicago stays the same and would do the same as the Nets.
With all said and done, I would rather be the Suns, with some cap space moving in the new CBA rather overpay for some midlevel players that we all will regret and give out I wish scenarios of how to trade him like we did for Jrich initially.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
Those GM's should be fired
seriously??!! Gooden and Darko for that much and that long!!
dking97 would be an upgrade for them!!!
I was starting to thiink ’Sota and Milwaukee were starting to turn things around…these contracts will hurt ’em in the future…
What if Boozer and Ray Allen go to Chicago?
Or if Lebron goes to NY, they pick up a point guard – NJ still has a lot of money to spend, as well. Things aren’t done moving around. The East could be a lot more competitive this year.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
totally agree
and chicago/nj/ny will also overpay for people since lebron doesn’t go with them….i think he stays in CLE…but wherever he goes the OTHER teams with cash to spend will get left out and overpay for talent…..but back to yyour point: the east will be ALOT more competitive adn fun to watch this year…
True
Their best perimeter defender Hinrich is gone though, Rose, Noah, Boozer and/or Ray Allen could be competitive. Allen is inkling more towards resigning with the Celtics. Tom Thibodeau speciality is defense with only Noah being the defensive guy in the team. We have no idea about Thibodeau’s offensive pedigree. Lots of questions with that team if Wade and/or Lebron dont sign with them.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
Well
so far only one big name west player has gone east. All the players you are talking about are already in the eastern conference so how do they get that much better by keeping their own players. And if Lee moves west what does that mean?
by Suns Fan For Life on Jul 7, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Well the Wolves are the only west team interested in Lee and I heard rumors about SnT for Boozer and Lee. But with Amare already in NY, they dont need Boozer unless Amare is ready to play center again.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
Amare at center & Boozer at power forward...?
That would be some serious interior defense right there…I have a hard time thinking of any current NBA big that they could legitimately stop in the post…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
good call
ny has the money and that is a good front line….I like boozer alot, kinda plays small but smart.
Can you imagine both those players hurt as well though!!!
definately could ruin their season…..also ny needs a pg.
I was being facetious...
They may put up 50ppg a game between the two of them, but it would be like a revolving door to the goal for the opposing team…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
so Miami isn’t better today then they were last season?
I think the west will still be better as a whole…but atop the east those teams are legit and if their players don’t come west but reshuffle to make their teams better, then they are better.
If Lee moves west, and Boozer stays in the West, not so much of a power shift.
But the money, and the cap room, is mostly in the East. Besides, there will now be much better teams in the East than last year. Boston is trying to keep it together, but they have injuries, retirements, and another year of age – NY and NJ were jokes last year, but probably not so much this year. Chicago will improve, and Miami? Powerhouse. Orlando will be a lot different – maybe better, maybe not, but certainly dangerous. Milwaukee should also be very good this year.
The exodus isn’t over, either. Miami, NJ, and Miami still have to fill out those rosters, so there will be more players moving west to east – maybe not marquis players, but lots of role players.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
Well, maybe they overpaid, but they need a backup for Bogut. He didn't make them any worse...
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
definately true
they do need a backup and you know bogut will get hurt this year…..i just wanted to poke fun at what a joke of a contract they gave him.
Not all doom and gloom
I know this may only be asliver of light, but there is some talk that teams are preparing for the harsh realities of next years renegotiating (i.e. the Suns). I am not sure teams are just going to throw all there money away. Only one player has gotten the max that some weren’t thinking of (Gay). Amare and Johnson were figured as already getting them. I know this is not good consolidation, but there may be some form of decency left in the NBA. Lets hope Lee is one of those guys.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jul 7, 2010 10:02 AM MDT reply actions
Steve Kerr on Colin Cowherd this morning
Did anybody catch this? I tuned in late to it, so missed him talking about the Suns. However, I did hear him discuss Amare and the rest of the league’s activity. He said the following notable things:
Regarding Amare, he thinks Amare’s attitude and leadership have greatly improved over the last couple of years, but still thinks Amare might struggle some in the face of the pressure of the New York media, especially given that there is nobody else there to share the heat with him.
He also said that the Knicks need to pick up another big who is a good defender, implying the obvious that Amare is not a good defender.
And, then he let out this gem when talking about Dwyane Wade. He thought there was a good chance that Wade was going to go to Chicago, saying: “I thought Wade was going to be the only real superstar (my emphasis) to jump ship.” You think it’s safe to assume that Amare would take offense that Kerr doesn’t consider him to be a real superstar? Cowherd made no note of this when Kerr said it, but I picked it up right away.
I'm glad to hear this, as I want no part of David Lee
It would seem counterproductive to tie a big contract to a guy like him. If Sarv is going to spend a bunch of money on the frontline, it needs to be spent on size, esp after the Warrick signing.
It would make much more sense to bring in either Petro or Etan Thomas. Unfortunately, the frontline is starting to get ridiculously crowded and there are too many undersized players in the mix, esp if Clark plays at the 4.
Also, a David Lee signing would mean Nash, Lopez and Lee in the starting 5. We would look like the Indiana Pacers West.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
Agree
Even with losing Amare, we still have a solid roster. Unless Lee comes in for cheap, there is no need for him to take up most of the cap space thereby hindering any future moves. Lee wants to get paid, he and his agent have been posturing with teams like the Nets and Wolves for god sake. Let him be happy getting paid elsewhere then say he wants to win initially, get paid less with the Suns and then cry about it in the future. After Nash and Grant retire, our greatest assets, mentoring will be gone, let the team grow up together and continue from there on.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
I agree with letting the team grow up together
Lets follow the OKC formula they started with Durant and Green.
The creature Hakim Warrick has been dubbed "Amare-lite"
That means less scoring, less-scoring, less-defense, less effort on crashing the glass, less-basketball IQ and less swagger.
Agree
Even with losing Amare, we still have a solid roster. Unless Lee comes in for cheap, there is no need for him to take up most of the cap space thereby hindering any future moves. Lee wants to get paid, he and his agent have been posturing with teams like the Nets and Wolves for god sake. Let him be happy getting paid elsewhere then say he wants to win initially, get paid less with the Suns and then cry about it in the future. After Nash and Grant retire, our greatest assets, mentoring will be gone, let the team grow up together and continue from there on.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
Ya at first
I wanted Lee, but we shouldn’t go for him….plus he will be overpayed and good for him and Suns won’t get in that bidding war anywayz.
An Hour Long Special...
How the hell is it going to take a freakin’ hour to say “I’m signing with X”?
I really hope that it’s an hour long LeBron-lovefest. Like an entire hour of highlights and interviews about how great he is. Please let it be that…because it would be hiliarious to watch the disgust of EVERYONE afterwards.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Jul 7, 2010 10:47 AM MDT reply actions
Can you imagine
what a fantastic asshole he’ll look like if he goes through all that and doesn’t sign with the Cavs
"I DON'T EAT DAWG EITHER"...."A dawgs got personality, personality goes a long way."
by Mace Windu
He looks like an A**hole regardless of what he does. Think of all the parading he made all these teams do. Could have made his decision with a lot less fanfare.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jul 7, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
nope ...
NBA setup this ridiculous scheme for players.
He is playing by their rules.
Tough luck for all concerned
At this point, he is making it all about Lebron...Has a tad bit of ego, I'd say...
I like the way Wade & Bosh just had a news conference to announce it and be done with it…I wonder if LBJ will have pomp and ceremony…figures and I am all out of “Grey Poupon” mustard…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
I can't believe
this is the same guy who complaned about the media blasting his team mates and used to stand up for his coach and team…
"I DON'T EAT DAWG EITHER"...."A dawgs got personality, personality goes a long way."
by Mace Windu
I cant imagine what Lebron people said when they called ESPN.
Lebrons People: ’Yeah we need an hour to make Lebrons decision of which team to he will go to."
Stuart Scott: “Booya!, More time for my incoherent facts about basketball”
Bruce Bowen: “Damn, need to shave my head and make it more shiny”
Erving: “Lakers rulez”
ESPN Production: " 1 hour to make a decision?? People lets get moving, get out every Dunk, block shot, dance move, teammate testimonial you can find of Lebron."
ESPN intern: “All that for a player that hasnt won anything yet, cant we save that money and donate it to the Gulf oil relief”
ESPN Production: “You are fired, how dare you”
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
hey lebron!!!!!
it’s basketball not a f’ing rose cerimony
"I DON'T EAT DAWG EITHER"...."A dawgs got personality, personality goes a long way."
by Mace Windu
No
Seriously what kind of precedent is this? Is every free agent now going to have to make a hour special on their free agency decision? Get over yourself Lebron!
That's just a giant middle finger to the teams that failed to land him.
And another showing of how big a megalomaniac he is.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
he is doing this because there is a demand for it...
for each person that finds this f’ing disgusting… there is another two people who only watches the nba because of LeBron and Kobe…
My official facebook status is:
“Whoever watches that hour-long show on ESPN Thursday where Lebron declares the team he’s signing for is a tool. Nuff said.”
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
and even many of those people who find it disgusting
will watch it anyway
Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun
formerly posting as dking97
Damn it, I'm going end up being a tool and contradict my words...
The drama is drawing me to it…. NOOOOOOOO!!!!
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
No massacre..
This guy needs to compete with Magic, Jordan, Kobe, Bird…
Cleveland is NOT a city for that, LA, Boston, NY are.
Tim Duncan
Won 4 titles in the small town of San Antonio. The Market Factor is totally overrated.
If he really wanted to be king and play for the biggest market, he would go to Beijing.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
Yes.. there are exceptions to rules
SA is a one-off.
Lebron needs a big stage…
NY is the place to challenge Jordan legacy…
Well thats 6 rings to equal Jordans legacy and 7 top it.
If Lebron has 10 years left in the league, he has to win 6 out of 10. His last years of wear and tear would make him slower, so give or take a year. So thats 6 or 7 rings in 9 years.
The first year with only Lebron and Amare is not going to win the chip so take that out, unless they get a third piece in their second year or a defensive big man and a semi competitive PG. That would make 7 rings in 8 years. You think that is possible?
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
Lebron is way ahead of where Jordan was at the age of 23.
I think it will depend on D’Antoni. they will need to play defense. Tee-hee.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
HA!
I think D’Antoni wants to prove he can win a title with offense.
And where is LeBron on that?
I think we know where Amare is.
Look at the other names being linked to NY, carmelo, Parker.
Jordan's legacy
Consisted of 6 titles with the team that drafted him. Same for Bird, Magic and Duncan. Switching camps won’t challenge any of that, it will be a totally different legacy in a totally different era.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
much as I hate to say it ...
… Kobe actually has a much better chance of challenging Jordan’s legacy than Bron does.
It's not how you play the game it's how you win it
by Johnny Ryall on Jul 7, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
everyone's making a big deal about Lebron's legacy ...
… and is acting like its a given that he’s going to win multiple titles when he hasn’t done shit in 7 years (one finals appearance where he got swept). I personally think he’s talented but overrated.
Kobe on the other hand is a total asshole. (But that’s part of what makes him successful.)
It's not how you play the game it's how you win it
by Johnny Ryall on Jul 7, 2010 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
No player can challenge Jordan's legacy.
He will forever be the known as the greatest player in NBA history, regardless of whether Kobe has 6 or 7 rings or if LeBron gets 6 or 7. He’ll just be up there as one of the greats but Jordan is in his own class because Jordan is the player that brought the NBA to prominence.
All players today can do is shape their own legacy, which Kobe has done. Now LeBron needs to shape his because Wade is already ahead of him in that regard.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
Sorry I meant "they'll just be up there as some of the greats"
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
Sorry, I don't agree...
I’ve watched this game for well over 30 years….to me Kobe Bryant is Michael Jordan….
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
Jordan had Pippen and Horace Grant/Rodman
Kobe had Shaq for 4 of those championships….As it has been proven repeatedly over the last twenty years or so, you don’t need a dominant big man to win championships
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
The only way...
There is one way he could hold the special and still leave Cleveland. It would be a brilliant PR move too.
Make the 1 hour special about the difficulty of this desicion. Focus on the behind the scenes negotiating, the weight of the choices, his "inner turmoil". Basically, spend the entire hour humanizing James and showing everyone how difficult it was to come to this choice – a choice other than his home.
Now…THAT special would make him apear a lot less like an egomanical jerk. It would certainly keep his rep in Cleveland in tact, allowing the fans to save face from being ditched by giving them a "I understand why he did it" out. It would make the press fawn like little schoolgirls about how "mature" he’s become, and how wrong they were when they made comments about it being about the money.
Now…that said, a special like that would probably be flat out bullshit on every level. But I said it would be a brilliant PR move, not an honest one.
Either way, that’s the only way I see the special being able to end with James leaving. Any other way, and he’s going to look like the biggest asshole on the planet. I’m hoping he goes to NY (I like the Bulls too much to see his ego take over Chicago) and I hope the hour special is nothing but highlight clips and interviews about how great he is. If that’s the case, the backlash will be hilarious.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Jul 7, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm fine with the TPE. I'm fine with Lee. I'm fine without him.
I just want the freakin’ season to start, already.
I have to trust that there is a master plan. If Lebron goes to Miami, it’s hard to imagine they wouldn’t win a few – there are always injuries, they still have to fill out the roster, egos could clash, but chances are good that they would win the East. If Boozer and Lee end up in the East, there will have been a major power shift, and the East could be the dominant conference. OKC, Portland, and Memphis are poised to make a move in the West – I think the Spurs, if they get Tiago, may be better than last year, Houston will be better…
It might be better to wait, stack up the assets, develop some young players, and see what happens.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
I think the Suns will be competitive without Lee...
And the TPE would benefit us a lot more in the long run….Besides I think NY uses DLee to get a S&T to get some pieces it needs around Amare…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
If i'm pat riley
the second lebron signs with the heat, i’m on the phone to orlando offering d-wade for d-howard. Wade and Lebron are too similar imo to be truly effective together. Lbj-howard-bosh would be much better as howard/bosh don’t need the ball in their hands to be effective, there is a clear alpha dog (lebron) rather than risking a kobe-shaq scenario with two alpha dogs fighting over the team which would happen with lebron/wade.
I'm sure that would be a popular move all across Florida.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
I'd trade LeBron for Dwight Howard.
Wade has been the face of Miami for years and they’re going to dump him because they prefer LeBron? No, you trade LeBron. Wade’s an all-around better player anyway. His shot’s better and he thrives in the postseason whereas LeBron… not so much.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
Its easy to say that when you don't own Lebron.
My guess? We would be singing a different tune if he were a Sun right now.
Reading is good...
Don't like LBJ too
But Dwight’s rebounding and defense are what this team would need.
Our lives are decided by the decisions we make and, at times, by the decisions we refuse to make. But after we've made ours, we also have to live with the decisions of others…
LBJ is a 23 year old superstar.
He’s at a level that maybe 5 players a decade get to. I’d take him in a heartbeat – he’s a franchise player. Dwight is, too, but he needs more offensive skills. He can’t shoot, he can’t hit free throws, and he’s a liability late in the game. He may be great someday, but he’s not right now (defensively, he is)
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Durant, Carmelo...
Argable, sure, but LBJ is still unproven (as are all except Kobe).
I really think Durant is as special.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
Durant will be the best player in the NBA in a few years
i think he just “gets it” he’s like duncan in that he just wants to play and win championships, doesn’t give a damn about his “brand”.
Nobody cared about Lee last season
and he played for a weak little 1 year deal because that is all NY would give him.
Why would Sarver overpay for anybody this year when he can just wait one season for all the contract lengths and max. amounts to go significantly down?
After the lockout.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Jul 7, 2010 11:04 AM MDT reply actions
Yeah the Lee love on BSoTS is going overboard.
Like how we all loved Tyson Chandler last year. Its a phase, people will get over it.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
LOL...so true
At the free-agent deadline this year, we were swinging so hard on Iguodala, I thought we would get Internet banned for cyber-stalking…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
The reason he may overpay is that this is potentially Nash's last year. Yep. 2 more years with one being a lockout.
A lot of good a trade exemption for Nash in his last year.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jul 7, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Lebron is going to New York
Why would he go anywhere else.
In NY he has a chance to make like Jordan..
Nowhere else can he do that.
He can make like Jordan anywhere...Why not stay in Cleveland?
Do you really think he would punish the Cleveland fans by force-feeding them an hour long iteration of his departure to another team…NOPE, he stays home.
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
In Cleveland .. no way
That city deserves a fickled finger award.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowan_&Martin%27sLaugh-In
I think they should have camera’s in the arenas where fans will be assembled for the incumbent King Lebron coming over. Then switch over to their reactions at the specific moment Lebron says where he is going. That would be some good show.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
Or even do that smoke thing that they do when the new Pope is picked. NBA offices need to have their chimneys ready.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
NEWS FLASH!!!
Lebron can’t decide where to go and decides to retire. Rumour is he has a clothing line and recording studio that will take up tooo much time to actually play basketball.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jul 7, 2010 11:17 AM MDT reply actions
don't watch James's ESPN special
If, like me, you are repulsed by LeBron James’ ego and greed, please refuse to watch this ESPN special tonight in which he announces where he’s going to play next season. You can’t avoid hearing his choice later, but don’t watch the program.
THough i would like to do that, there is no WAY i wouldn’t watch this!! Count me in as someone who wants to see the drama go down.
yeah, I'm gonna have to watch it too
as long as the cat’s not out of the bag yet
Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun
formerly posting as dking97
pllt...
my gf making me watcth the bacholuette more then fills my drama bullshit capacity…
"I DON'T EAT DAWG EITHER"...."A dawgs got personality, personality goes a long way."
by Mace Windu
now you can make sure watch this special
at least its about sports.
Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun
formerly posting as dking97
It's like a car accident. You know you shouldn't watch but you can't help it.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jul 7, 2010 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Perhaps it's the system you should direct your hatred at.
LeBron is behavior is quite appropriate for someone who has had the world by the balls since their sophomore year in high school.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
+1
I have a life sometimes, and hour watching the rich and famous a one second decisions is not for me.
But ego and greed?
These guys are small fry compared to the crap out of corporations and USA gov.
+1
How about the owners that sell the names of their team’s arenas without a second thought?
Of course the players are going to cash in immensely, but the obscene amounts of wealth and fame are manufactured by the owners, media and sponsers. Not to mention us poor saps who buy the tickets and listen to their advertisements.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
Dudley tweet
@JaredDudley619: Breaking News!!! My sources tell me Lebron will announce that he will be goin to the NY KNICKS tomorrow on ESPN.. This is serious.. WOW!!!!
It's not how you play the game it's how you win it
I mean, holy crap
that was the ONLY way that Amare was going further in NY than he did in Phx. Damn. I don’t like that Amare made the right move after all.
Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun
formerly posting as dking97
I agree that it would be good news.
But I pretty sure if Dudley’s source was viable then we would have heard all about it by now.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jul 7, 2010 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions
could increase the Suns chances ...
… of getting NYK to do a s-n-t for Amare. If they are signing Lebron to a max deal, they’ll need every penny of cap room to sign more players to fill in around them. Maybe Phx can at least get a trade exception if not DLee or something else. Hope springs eternal …
It's not how you play the game it's how you win it
by Johnny Ryall on Jul 7, 2010 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions
also this
JaredDudley619: That’s what I’m hearing.. I don’t care where he goes lol.. I personally thought he would stay in Cleveland..
It's not how you play the game it's how you win it
it could be dis-information being spread by LBJs people
in order to keep up the hype for tomorrow night. I mean, what good is scheduling a one-hour reveal if the stoary breaks 33 hours beforehand? No one would watch.
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it seems bucher agrees with you ...
@RicBucher: Rumors of NYK having legit shot at LeBron or him going to Mia seem like an attempt by LRMR to create suspense for Thurs show.
It's not how you play the game it's how you win it
THis is good stuff...they could be Military Intelligence..
People are sure to watch now…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
or mis-information
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
haha yeah thats prob the right word
for some reason I use dis-information though
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Disinformation is the right term..
When I was in the Army, it was a term that meant “deliberate attempts to confuse the truth via releasal of false information”
Misinformation refers to when information gets garbled unintentionally through the normal course of events.
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
yes, then I was right!
of course, How could I doubt myself
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We’d be better with David Lee than we would be with Amar’e.
Although, it is unlikely as the title of this thread says, I still think Sarver should give Lee an offer via SnT. If Lee decides to play somewhere else for more cash than fine with him. Will see what kind of player he really is.
That was such a fantastic article
Knicks fans are completely ripping him apart though. Any writer that doesn’t agree with them is instantly a “hater”…it’s so ridiculous.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 7, 2010 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Gambo says that if LeBron goes to New York then our chances of acquiring Lee via sign and trade increase
Sounded like he was just speculating though…they could very well get LeBron and tell Lee to go have fun on the open market.
Holy Crap!
@SomeDudeOnTwitter – Latest word out of LeBrons camp is that he is going to the Memphis Grizzlies in a sign and trade for Hamed Haddadi and Rudy Gay
Why would the Grizz part with Haddadi...?
THis seems like a suspect rumor…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
More Twitter Madness
@Lebron4Eva – Lebron is going to the Magic in a sign and trade for Dwight Howard
Super Crazy Twitter Bonanza
@LebronAndKobeRulzDudez – It looks like LeBron may play in Europe next year as a few European teams are getting in the mix.
Twitterama!!!!!
@LeBronHaveMyBabies – According to sources the Cleveland Browns are in contact with LeBron about becoming their starting WR.
Twittastic!!!
@MNightShamalan – LeBron is considering quitting basketball to be in my next overrated POS movie. Stay tuned!
by Superelkman on Jul 7, 2010 3:27 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Funny stuff, Superelkman...you deserve a reced for all that nonsense....
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
booz signed a 5 year 80 million $ contract. Thank G-d we aren't the only ones.
raptors and jazz fans feel our pain!
F*ck you Rob Sarver!
by Bkj on Jul 7, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Indeed.
I do love the word “discovered” in that Coro article when he’s talking about them and the sign and trade. It makes our front office look virtuous. And by virtuous I mean really incredibly stupid.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 7, 2010 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I HATE sarver soooooooooooooooooooooo much. He thinks he could run the gm job in the most important free agency of league history.
F*ck you Rob Sarver!
by Bkj on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions
oh please
this summer is only important to those who have the cap space for LBJ, Wade or Bosh. For everyone else, its just a summer of overpayment… and an annoyance….
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And for the teams that lose their star players.
Mostly us, since I don’t give a crap about other teams in the NBA except for us.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
He's a bright guy but let's not go overboard with this...
Alex Laugan couldn’t hold dking97’s jockstrap…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
by hell, Alex can not only hold dking97s jock strap
but he can wear it!
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I still find that impossible to believe
we on BSotS knew there was a SnT available. How could lifer NBA people not know? I’m not talking Sarver either. I’m talking Rick Welts, Todd Quinter, Mark West, Gentry… all it takes is 5-10 minutes reading Larry Coon’s to know something is available.
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HMMMM...Playing dumb to disguise the fact they actually are....dumb...?
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
Lee for 12-15 million would be a steal, IMO
F*ck you Rob Sarver!
by Bkj on Jul 7, 2010 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Gambo's saying Suns aren't comfortable going over 10 million
Which is ridiculous. He’ll get at least 12 million per on the open market. AT LEAST.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Sarv had to pay deep into the luxury tax this season, but this season ben wallace's 10 million $ contract.
can someone tell me where that $ goes. Alex maybe?
F*ck you Rob Sarver!
by Bkj on Jul 7, 2010 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I mean ben wallace's contract was bought out in '09 and it comes off the book in 2010. does that mean we get extra cap space or what?
Couldn’t sarv use that $ to sign lee and pay the same amount in the luxury tax next season?
F*ck you Rob Sarver!
by Bkj on Jul 7, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions
it just put us below the luxury tax
so, for the first time in 6 yrs, the Suns are not paying 100% tax on 5-8 mil of its salaries…
but that doesn’t mean the Suns have room to spend. They are still AT the regular cap. They can only sign someone more than minimum in a Sign-n-Trade.
This does NOT make sarver cheap. Hes already spent all the money he’s supposed to spend, according to league rules.
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Okay, but I still think sarv should spend that money on lee; ben wallace got paid 10 million dollars and he didnt even play a game.
F*ck you Rob Sarver!
by Bkj on Jul 7, 2010 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions
since Boozer just agreed to 5 yr/ 80 mil, maybe Sarver will change his mind
that’s 13.8 to start. Lee deserves nearly the same.
Remember, Sarver went up on Frye and Warrick to adjust to the market. He even went up on Amare to max level for 5 yrs – all he wanted was injury protection because, well, Amare is always having major injuries.
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why did he try and adjust to the market again?
F*ck you Rob Sarver!
by Bkj on Jul 7, 2010 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Because guys like Drew Gooden were getting paid way too much
and Sarver was afraid other teams might overpay to acquire Frye and Warrick.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
lol, reminds me amir johnson; definition of mediocre player.
F*ck you Rob Sarver!
by Bkj on Jul 7, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Gooden is way better than Amir Johnson
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
But Amir is the better athlete
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true, but Gooden puts up better stats
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
I mean, he made solid, any-other-summer bids
on Frye (4 yrs, 20 mil) and Amare (3yr extension at max) until all the other owners went crazy and started overpaying. Sarver had to adjust and raise his offers.
Example 1: last summer, Drew Gooden couldn’t get anyone to sign him until end of summer, and that was a 1-yr deal only. This summer, he gets 5 yrs, 34 mill on day 1 !!! And he didn’t even play well!
Example 2: last summer, Warrick couldn’t get anyone to sign him until end of summer, and that was a 1-yr deal only. This summer, he gets 4 yrs, 18 mil on day 1 !!! And he didn’t even play well!
Example 3: Boozer just got 5 yrs, 80 mill. The same Boozer who misses 20% or more of almost every season due to nagging injuries, and who can’t play defense to save his life.
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and example 4: Amir friggin Johnson
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So gm are fucknuts and need protection for themselves and that is why the cba is shortening max deals. Sorry, abe pollen,
but signing juwan howard and gilbert arenas to max deals is your legacy that has churned a new era in the NBA. Sounds about right yes?
F*ck you Rob Sarver!
by Bkj on Jul 7, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
How could the be talking to Lee's agent "for a while" and then just discover they might be able to get Lee?
I guess you can read it however you want it – even if you want and excuse to hate Sarver.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
If we don't at least get a trade exception I'm going to be disappointed
I know I shouldn’t get my hopes up for Lee but gosh darn it…that would really, really help us out
With Carlos Boozer (Lee's twin in terms of value)
off the market at 5 yrs, 80 million (13.8 starting salary)
Looks like David Lee is priced way too high for us. He really is NOT worth almost 14 mil a year, growing to 18.2 mil in the 5th year. Neither is Boozer.
Good lord, this is crazy stuff. Maybe, just maybe, Lee will see 55 wins on the horizon playing with Nash and will accept a lower salary. But that’s just a pipe dream. Ths might be his only payday. (Amare had already made 80 mil before this summer, while Lee has only had 1 yr greater than rookie scale)
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Lee's options now are
NY Knicks, NJ Nets and Minnesota (assuming Minny can trade Al Jefferson first)
Or a sign-n-trade to another team with assets the NY Knicks want – Golden State for Ellis?
On the whole, Suns offer the best chance to win a lot of games. At least we got that going for us.
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Hopefully he wants to win after sticking it out on losing teams for his whole career.
If we can get Lee at 60/5, then I think we should take it because that’s a steal. The Nets might give Lee 80 million or something crazy like that.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 7, 2010 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Who the hell want Al Jefferson?
Our lives are decided by the decisions we make and, at times, by the decisions we refuse to make. But after we've made ours, we also have to live with the decisions of others…
Kevin Love??
if we get this trade exception, any chance we could pick up a bad contract of minnesotas and kevin love for it? I’m not sure if they have any horrific contracts though.
The question for us now
is do we want to sign Lee in a SnT or wait it out, use the TPE and rich to sign a big name or two “Lee’s”?? I am not convinced that Lee is the answer. In fact, I would rather wait and see if we can get Josh Smith, Melo, or Wallace.
Reading is good...
Coro: Lee going to Warriors if Knicks don't get Lebron
http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PaulCoro/88410
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That sucks.
lol at the Warriors(who are so far away from any sort of “win now” push) trading a 21 year old with insane potential for 27 year old dude.
Randolph in SSOL would be glorious. Can’t believe that the supposedly “untouchable” Randolph wouldn’t get moved for Amare but would get moved for David Lee.
Sigh.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 7, 2010 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Now I feel like a douche but I'm praying that LeBron announces that he's going to NYK tomorrow
Even though it would be such a terrible thing to do to Cleveland fans
by beastattack3000 on Jul 7, 2010 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions
but thats not worth the twofold horror
of
A) Cleveland getting screwed like no team EVER before on national TV
B) Amare getting another chance at a ring so soon
Sorry, but I’m a little bitter at Amare. And I don’t want LBJ playing with him and helping them win tons and tons of games while Amare takes too much credit for it.
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They're probably at best a 4 seed in the East, assuming they pick some good role players.
They have to challenge Boston, Orlando, possibly Miami, Milwaukee, and Atlanta is still in there for the playoff spots. So they’ve got work to do.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
if you follow the tweets and stories..
Macrus Thompson – GS reporter – says that the Warriors have the package that the Knicks prefer. And that the Knicks are waiting for LeBron first.
But it says nothing about whether Lee prefers the Warriors. He just might, but why? Hasn’t he already played out the fast-pace-win-rarely scenario?
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Plus, D'Antoni's system is much more structured while Nellie's is so....
I don’t even know how Nellie’s system works.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
I'd be really surprised if Nellie is back next year
The Warriors are on the selling block right now and you’d have to think the new ownership will clean house. While they have a few nice pieces, a smart player would avoid the Warriors because they are essentially adrift at sea now until the ownership change. But, no matter what, a team seeking a fresh start shouldn’t have much use for a 70 year old head coach.
The mad scientist doesn't use a true basketball "system..."
what he uses is closer to alchemy than anything else…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
I highly doubt it, unless he gets a bigger offer from NJ or something.
He’ll be going to a team with a all-star PG in Rose and a good defensive big man in Noah. It’s no surprise Chicago was deep in the midst of all the FA talk. I was hoping Wade would go there or stay in Miami.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
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