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Sunday Question: What Player Do You Absolutely HATE, But Would LOVE To See On The Phoenix Suns?

Enough stats and trade speculation for a moment.

Let's have a discussion. Leave a comment regarding who you really HATE (or hated until they retired) on another team that you would LOVE to see on the Suns if they could be acquired in their prime.

Tell us why you hate them and why you'd love to see them on this team. Does this person bring a missing ingredient? How would this person make a difference for the Suns in 2010-2011?

Really folks, let's just have FUN. When you comment, promise me this:

 

  1. You will NOT try to fit this person into our rotation
  2. You will NOT try to create a trade scenario
  3. You do NOT have to explain who would lose minutes to this person
  4. You WILL just talk about someone you hate now, but would LOVE to see on this team
I'll get this started:
I really hate the thought of Sasha Vujacic on the Lakers. Something about him just rubs me wrong. BUT VUJACIC IS THE WRONG ANSWER, for me, because I don't fear him. He doesn't keep me up at night worried he will beat the Suns. And I don't think he would be good on the Suns.

I really have this underlying fear that Rudy Fernandez will haunt the Suns throughout his career. We dodged a bullet against the Blazers because he decided not to show up for the series. But I do think that, if Rudy was playing at his highest level, the Suns might have been in trouble in the last series. And I think that he'd be really good on the Suns, at least on the offensive end of the court. BUT RUDY IS THE WRONG ANSWER, because I don't hate him with a passion.

Bruce Bowen used to make me cringe at the sight of him. He was a dirty player. Nash's legs were black and blue at the end of that 2007 playoff series, all thanks to friggin' Bruce Bowen. I HATED that guy. Yet he always found a way to influence the game, and I kinda think he was the MVP of the 2007 and 2008 playoff series' against the Suns. And finally, I think he would have brought a toughness to this team that was lacking all along. BRUCE BOWEN IS MY ANSWER.

What's yours?

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Manu Ginobli.

Virtually unguardable, a Hall of Fame flopper, and clutch. Hate him, hate him, HATE HIM!!!

But he’d be good on the Suns.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Aug 15, 2010 9:08 AM MDT reply actions  

I would also probably choose Manu.

I hate him!!!! But he would be a darn good addition to the Suns, I think.

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Aug 15, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Is he unguardable? When Raja Bell signed with the Suns, Ginobili reportedly called his agent and complained.

by 8472species on Aug 15, 2010 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

The reason I said 'virtually unguardable' is because he has no tendencies - he's

as good with his left hand as with his right, as good going to the left as to his right, and is effective from almost anywhere on the floor. He’s also fast and he’s clutch.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Aug 15, 2010 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've said before in a post...

…he’s my favorite character from Perfect Strangers.

There isn't a single acceptable situation for the question "Is this game almost over yet?" Not one.

by Basketball GF on Aug 17, 2010 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah I'd take Manu

He has the ability to be the best player on the floor for the last 5 minutes of every game. I fear him more than Kobe, more than Lebron, in those last 5 minutes.

by jc79 on Aug 15, 2010 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I always thought Dragic was the 2nd-coming of Manu rather than Nash.

My dad used to always say Manu, when healthy, was the most unstoppable SG in today’s league. He kinda has a thing for Manu, like I do for Nash.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Aug 15, 2010 11:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

The only resemblances in their games are that they're left handed

And that they are effective in a lot of aspects of the game. Aside from that, I think Dragic is his own type of player, as opposed to Manu-lite.

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by Trevor Paxton on Aug 16, 2010 4:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

true

but I did notice last season that Dragic has that slow-step-back 3ptr in his arsenal, just like Manu has always had.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 16, 2010 7:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

There's also that Euro step.

They have that really long first step and have the ability to worm their way in through the defense. It almost looks like a slither and they have impeccable footwork.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Aug 16, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree, I think Manu is Goran’s best comparison. I don’t really view Goran being a PG that can get you 10+apg even in this offense, that’s just not his game. I view him as a guy who could end up getting you 4-5apg and 15-17ppg like Manu. His flopping so far isn’t that bad either, but still not on par with Manu’s. I’m sure you all remember his flop on Sashavic right?

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 16, 2010 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I doubt even Manu could pull something like that off.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Aug 16, 2010 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

The only resemblances?

They’re both white, both European, both left-handed, are both combo-guards, have the same step-back jumper, both like to drive at the rim, etc, etc.

It’s frickin uncanny!

by jc79 on Aug 18, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

They both have hair, at least seven teeth, only two nipples (reportedly), and names that you would mispronounce if you had read them before you had heard them.

Good enough for me!

by waxmonkey on Aug 18, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

My first pick also.

He’s so much fun to make fun of, but you have to admit the man is good.

There isn't a single acceptable situation for the question "Is this game almost over yet?" Not one.

by Basketball GF on Aug 17, 2010 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can remember........

I never hated anyone as much as I did danny ainge………..until 1992. Lets not forget mario ellie,As far as the past those are two guys who stick out to me.

by stevedavis_ on Aug 15, 2010 9:37 AM MDT reply actions  

ahhh Mario Elie!!!

that dagger 3 to clinch against us in 1995…

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 15, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

the kiss he blew to the bench was worse than the shot ithought,that one hurt

by stevedavis_ on Aug 15, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good pick, but not much to fear there anymore.

In the past, though…

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Aug 15, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%

I’d pick Tim Duncan in a heartbeat. I hate him on the Spurs but he’s the kind of guy I’d love to see in Phoenix.

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by Greg Esposito on Aug 15, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oooh. That's a good one.

Now I don’t know if I would choose him or Manu.. Something about those Spurs players…

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Aug 15, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Of course you can hate Duncan

For hitting that retarded 3 to eliminate us, for constantly whining to the refs, for always having his hand on the hip of the player trying to finish at the rim…

by jc79 on Aug 18, 2010 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

you know I have a huge amount of grudging respect

for Duncan that he’s been able to perfect the art of fouling every player in his vicinity without every getting called for it.

he gets one arm way over his head to block the shot/pass, which distracts the ref who wants to make sure it stays straight up the whole time… and all the while he’s got his other hand (the one away from the baseline ref) in the hip of the opponent, knocking them off balance on the drive. Dick.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 18, 2010 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

i sure hope Lopez

figures that out

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 18, 2010 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great use of the word 'Dick'.

Recc’ed.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Aug 18, 2010 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

not fair!

that’s the easy way out.

A perfect example was Danny Ainge in 1992. He was a hated Celtic, always in peoples’ faces and under their skin. Then he signed with the Suns and we loved him so much that soon after his career was over, Colangelo made him the coach.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 15, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

way to find a loop hole

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Aug 15, 2010 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Never liked Ainge...

As a player before the Suns, with the Suns, after the Suns, as a Suns coach, or how he left the Suns during the season.

One Ainge highlight that I can never find is when he “accidentally” threw an inbounds pass directly into Sam Cassell’s large alien skull. Never turn your back on the inbounds passer, especially a dirty one.

Who was Ainge guarding when Paxson hit that wide open dagger in ’93? According to Chambers, in the timeout huddle before that play Ainge was saying “No 3s, no 3s”

by oLLiE Boombayay on Aug 17, 2010 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was Mario Elie

…that he pegged with the basketball. Unless he did it twice, which is totally possible.

by jc79 on Aug 18, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Shaquille O'Neal

I never liked him, I was furious when we traded for him and his time with the Suns was not our most productive era playoff-wise.
That said, I think seven seconds or Shaq would probably work better with our current cast.
Good thing I don’t have to analyze this too deeply.

by suns68 on Aug 15, 2010 10:52 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

PAU GASOL

I dont why i didnt think of him earlier I cant stand him slide him in our frontcourt and I think he could grow on me until then pau,with all do respect I HATE YOU!

by stevedavis_ on Aug 15, 2010 11:21 AM MDT reply actions  

I hate him, but I'm having more and more trouble hating him.

His work with children’s hospitals is pretty admirable, and I don’t think it’s just for show.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Aug 15, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes I have seen that as well.I hope everyone is using the term Hate in gest.However when I say I hate chris wallace for GIVING him to L.A I mean it.

by stevedavis_ on Aug 15, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don't hate him as a player,

but I DO hate the shitty trade that brought him to LA.

by Lompe on Aug 15, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Was it not his last game in phx with seattle he hit that game winner that snapped a long winning streak we had going?

by stevedavis_ on Aug 15, 2010 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Dick.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Aug 15, 2010 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tony Parker.

I don’t truly hate him, but I never liked him. He’d be good, no?

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Aug 15, 2010 12:46 PM MDT reply actions  

Mutually exclusive for me, too.

Maybe if it were “hate getting beaten by”

by waxmonkey on Aug 15, 2010 12:48 PM MDT reply actions  

Your all going to kill me for this, but I actually like Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobli. Don’t really like Bruce Bowen, but their are better options.

The one guy I hate, but respect so much at the same time and would love to have on our team is……

Kobe Bryant

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 15, 2010 12:48 PM MDT reply actions  

It's hareder to hate the Spurs stars after we swept them, and they were pretty classy about it.

I’ll have to see if I hate them as much this year.
As far as Kobe, I DO hate him, but I don’t want anybody on the Suns I don’t like as a person. If I had to root for Kobe, I probably wouldn’t.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Aug 15, 2010 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh no it's not

I find it really easy to go on hating the Spurs.
I want to go to one of their games just so I can wear a shirt that says “Go Visitors!”

by suns68 on Aug 15, 2010 1:05 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I always liked Tim Duncan and Manu except when they played against us.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 15, 2010 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree.

To be honest, I found myself with a lot less hatred for the Spurs once we swept them. They really were very classy about it and no matter who it is, I can’t not respect that. When the season starts again I am sure I’ll find myself angry every time we play them, but perhaps just a little bit less so.

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Aug 15, 2010 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

except the Kobe part. His job (in my narrative) is to be the obstacle to overcome.

by waxmonkey on Aug 15, 2010 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

And I also really like Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker. Manu is certainly a flopper, but they all seem like genuinely nice people.

It’s the rest of the team, Bowen, Horry, Mason, even Finley that I despised. No reason to anymore.

by waxmonkey on Aug 15, 2010 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

What’s wrong with Finley?

by 8472species on Aug 15, 2010 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

No good reason, other than him choosing the spurs over the suns. Which isn’t even that good of a reason.

by waxmonkey on Aug 15, 2010 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

He chose them because they had won the Championship the previous year and he was turning 32.

I wasn’t happy either that he chose SA over us. I really thought he was going to come to PHX. He could have been good for us. The perfect JJ replacement, only clutch and older. Oh well, apparently he made the right choice.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 15, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

They offered more money, too, and the championship does vindicate his choice.

I didn’t say it was a good reason.

It’s just my reason.

by waxmonkey on Aug 15, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I remember when Jason Terry punched him in the balls while fighting for a lose ball. I thought that was a dick move by Terry (and I like him even less), but part of me was just a tiny bit happy.

by waxmonkey on Aug 15, 2010 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

you’re dead to me now R.I.P.

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Aug 15, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

First choice is Kobe,

second Ginonosebleed.

"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!

by Jaxis on Aug 15, 2010 12:54 PM MDT reply actions  

Just think if we had both of these ass-clowns on our squad...

we’d be championship contenders for sure, but we’d throw-up everytime we went to the arena…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Aug 15, 2010 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

JOHN PAXSON!

I can’t believe I’m the first person (unless I overlooked something) to suggest John Paxson. Besides hitting the shot, he was a pretty dirty player.

by 8472species on Aug 15, 2010 12:55 PM MDT reply actions  

coach Phil Jackson

I was going to say Phil Jackson, but I actually would never want him to coach the Suns. I despise him too much for that—Kobe Bryant, I merely dislike. Phil Jackson is a gargoyle-faced taunting sleazebag. I know he actually doesn’t look like a gargoyle anymore since he lost the beard, but I don’t care.

by 8472species on Aug 15, 2010 12:59 PM MDT reply actions  

This is a tough question because we have to hate that player as well. I always wanted Marcus Camby during the SSOL era. He was the man we needed. I always thought if we were going to trade Marion it should have been for him because at that time Denver was looking for a wing defender like Artest and Marion. I don’t hate them tough.

I don’t even know if hate Kobe, I only do when he plays against us. I hate that Bayless kid, but don’t want him. I hate Horry, but don’t want him either. I’m not sure I hate KG, but he is kind of a punk. However, I’d love to have him on our team. I don’t know.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 15, 2010 1:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Why do you hate Bayless? Did he do something dirty in the series?

by 8472species on Aug 15, 2010 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh god I hate Bayless

"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!

by Jaxis on Aug 15, 2010 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Same question. What did he do?

by 8472species on Aug 15, 2010 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Seems to think he is all that

has a smug look on his face.

"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!

by Jaxis on Aug 15, 2010 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly, and the fact that he would celebrate over every shot he’d make against us. I’m so glad Grant Hill showed him what’s up in that series.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 15, 2010 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

prior to the last month hedo rubbed me the wrong way he had hit some big shots against us going all the way back to when he was with the kings

by stevedavis_ on Aug 15, 2010 1:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Actually

I hated vinny del negro for all the shots he hit against us when he was with the sa sterns

by stevedavis_ on Aug 15, 2010 1:31 PM MDT reply actions  

ASS HAT

A.K.A Kevin Garnet. remember when we hadn’t lost in like for ever and he had a ridicuoles game and the streak was broken by the goddamn lottery bound T wolves. he wasn’t such an ass hat back then but lately I can’t stand him. but in his prime he’d pushed PHX to a chip or more…no on kobe

gentry “kobe, this is steve nash, he’ll be your new point guard”

kobe “what’s a point guard?”

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Aug 15, 2010 1:47 PM MDT reply actions  

LeBron

I have recently jumped on the “hating LeBron bandwagon” this summer with his egotistical FA spectacle, BUT I sure wouldn’t mind him playing for the SUNS. I can see it now… The Pacific Division wouldn’t be big enough for both Kobe and LeBron, which would make the SUNS public enemy #1 to Laker fans. Kobe starts to decline and as a result he would eventually demand a trade like the diva he is, and the SUNS win multiple championships. We can all dream can’t we?

by chrisjmtz on Aug 15, 2010 1:49 PM MDT reply actions  

agree and if PHX had what’s his name before his ego exploded I might not hate as much

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Aug 15, 2010 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Whom? You two surely can’t mean Kobe Bryant or LeBron James, because did you not think their egos were huge?

by 8472species on Aug 15, 2010 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

seriosly

I remember once he lashed out at the media for bad mouthing his team mates…I always it was cool of him to stand up for his team, but the media was right. now i can’t believe that was the same guy.

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Aug 15, 2010 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I predict

barnes will be on this list next summer

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Aug 15, 2010 1:49 PM MDT reply actions  

No

No no no. He played here, we were bad, no.

"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!

by Jaxis on Aug 15, 2010 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

not cuz of barnes…and you can bet that if the suns meet the lakers in the playoff, he will up in turks face he’ll scrap for every ball, he’ll throw bows if it will get someone off there game,he’ll flatten dragic if he heats up…he is the kind of player opposing teams love to hate

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Aug 15, 2010 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

nah

Barnes is that guy who’s just good enough to play more than you should and then he makes a stupid mistake and costs his team a few games, or disappears at the wrong time. There’s a reason he’s been on 9 teams in 8 years. Everyone loves him on their team till he’s played a year.

the Suns were all excited, then let him go after he lost that Jazz game and a couple others.

the magic were all excited, even about how he “defended” Kobe, but the Lakers won that game and the magic lost in the playoffs with him scoring only 3 pts a game or something.

I’m a little excited he’s on the Lakers.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 15, 2010 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that is an odd decision on the Lakers’ part. Or is it? Perhaps Phil Jerkson thinks he can mold Barnes?

by 8472species on Aug 15, 2010 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

arrogance

it worked with Artest. But i think with artest and Barnes together on that team, the Lakers will lose at least 1 very important game.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 15, 2010 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

agreed, Barnes got back spasm right before the ecf, and therefore, Paul Pierce had a field day every game of that series.

Hopefully Barnes does something stupid and F—-ks S—t up in LA.

For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.

by Bkj on Aug 15, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

What's wrong with Barnes?

Barnes had his best year of his career in a Suns uni, and he did so, while making the league MINIMUM ($700k). I’ve never understood the hatred for Matt Barnes from many of you.

by Aluminum Foyle on Aug 15, 2010 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't hate Barnes at all, but

have you noticed that he’s starting to look like a meth addict? I don’t know if it’s that he looks skinnier, or has more tattoos, or what, but I’ve started to get a tweaker feeling from him whenever I see him.

by waxmonkey on Aug 15, 2010 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s not that I hate him, I just hated his shot selection and decision making at times. For the price we paid we got our money worth, but that doesn’t mean he made some bone head mistakes while playing for us.

I still remember watching games and cringing when the ball touched his hands because I knew he was gonna toss it up.

by AcucracK on Aug 15, 2010 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

not me

I’ve always liked barnes like said league min and he played his ass off. on the court he could be a real prick…off the courtmeasured and respectful. and lets not forget that he was key to GS knokn out the mavs

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Aug 15, 2010 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

its not hatred

but its not love either

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 15, 2010 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

ohh dear alax… didnt you know the two are so closely linked its hard to tell the difference

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Aug 16, 2010 12:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

agreed, if you feel 1 you feel the other

but it’s perfectly fine to feel neither. And in Barnes’ case, I feel neither love nor hate.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 16, 2010 7:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

kobe

that way he wouldnt have torched us in the WC finals

by kp18 on Aug 15, 2010 2:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Yeah boy!!1

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Aug 15, 2010 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

fair enough…I don’t know that he’s hated, but I’d agree no one was happy to see him go.

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Aug 16, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Here's my problem....

When you look at the Suns as an organization, they are a professional business. People with legal drama and “baggage” for lack of a better term, don’t stay here. So, we can imagine all these classes asshats in Suns uniforms, but not a single one of them deserves it.

There are only two players that I hated that retained enough class and professionalism in the league to warrant wearing a Suns uniform that I thought should have ever been here:

  1. David Robinson
  2. Tim Duncan

The Suns may not have ever won a championship at this point, but in my book they rank as the #1 most professional franchise in the NBA for expecting the most professional and mature behavior from their players both on and off the court. Those who fail here in any capacity get traded.

by McBeanTIO on Aug 15, 2010 4:12 PM MDT reply actions  

No Dennis Rodman?

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 15, 2010 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Besides being a complete freak, I actually admired his game when I was younger. When I played ball I kind of tried to play a bit like him, always wanted to grab rebounds all the time and anyway I could. Loved his hustle.

Of the court he’s a complete crazy person however lol.

by AcucracK on Aug 15, 2010 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wasn't always that way

We had our share of classic asshats too. That changed after the mid-80’s drug scandal. One of my big fears is that without any Colangelos left in the picture, they might relax the good-conduct code.

by suns68 on Aug 15, 2010 9:43 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm jumping back a bit in time for my answer.

Detlef Schrempf circa 1994-95. I HATED him. Every time I saw him in a game that season I couldn’t shake the mental image of him in a Nazi uniform from my head. Plus he was so deadly accurate that season… especially against the Suns. I hated him more than any other player in the league.

But 94-95, the season that the Suns choked away arguably our best shot at a championship, I feel like he could have pushed us over the edge. 19pts, 7 boards and 4 assists a game. An astounding .523/.514/.834 shooting season. An 82 game player (unlike every player on the Suns that year). Imagine him at the point forward, feeding Sir Charles and spreading the floor for KJ and Thunder Dan. Imagine a starting lineup of:

C- Manning (No disrespect to Joe Kleine)
F – Barkley
F – Schrempf
G – Majerle
G – K. Johnson

Tell me this team wouldn’t destroy everything in it’s path. In fact, tell me… I still won’t believe you.

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by Genesius on Aug 15, 2010 5:20 PM MDT reply actions  

I know my answer breaks your rules a bit Alex. Sorry for that.

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by Genesius on Aug 15, 2010 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are you saying you would have traded him for a.c.?

by stevedavis_ on Aug 15, 2010 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Absolutely not.

Just saying that it would have been amazing to have him on that roster. A.C. Green off the bench playing 20+ minutes would have been good for sixth man probably as well as give Green a few more minutes a night to think about being abstinent.

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by Genesius on Aug 15, 2010 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hated him for a reason other than his effectiveness against us

I lived in Seattle during the Sonics heyday and developed a serious dislike for those guys. They were a great team, but Payton was a punk, Kemp taunted constantly (and, seriously, when he talked, he made Amare sound like Winston Churchill in comparison). And Detlef? I swear the man must have never committed a foul, because every time he was called for one he got the pissy, whiny, “oh, no way!” look on his face. Such a whiner. That mid-late-90s Sonics team was supremely talented, but I’m glad they never won a title. They were a chemistry nightmare.

by East Bay Ray on Aug 15, 2010 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nobody I hate more or would want more on my squad...

Kobe “I am the king of Jackasses” Bryant…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Aug 15, 2010 8:20 PM MDT reply actions  

i hate

LeBron James. dont have to explain why, and dont have to explain why i want him in a Suns uniform either

by hear_seeker on Aug 15, 2010 8:54 PM MDT reply actions  

no you don’t

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Aug 16, 2010 12:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

PAUL PIERCE

No explanation should be necessary.

by Stanley B on Aug 15, 2010 10:39 PM MDT reply actions  

no….now explain your self

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Aug 16, 2010 12:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

EXPLANATION FORTH COMING.

Personally I find Pierce to be rather whiny and pretty much a Diva, however he has shown an ability to overcome his ego for the team. He was willing to take a lesser role on the Celtics, albeit not a tremendously reduced one, in order for them to acquire K.G. and Ray Allen. Even though he can be a Drama Queen, he still is a very talented player with the ability to step up and carry a team on his shoulders….always a plus. In addition he is willing and able to make the clutch shot, draw double and triple teams, and to some extent make his team mates better. His defense is underrated as is his willingness to go inside and rebound or take the hard foul. In essence I am not fond of the image that he projects, but his skills are undeniable! And frankly I am quite surprised that someone with your handle(2NASHTY) would require poor little ol’ me to state the obvious. That stated, you could also add in the fact that no one had mentioned him ……..why keep recommending the same names over and over……..shows a lack of thought and imagination. Just my opinion. :-)

by Stanley B on Aug 16, 2010 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I guess I just thought he was overrated

but I’m gladd I asked, All good points I didn’t consider that he accepted a lesser role for the good of the team…I definatley agree that he annoys the shit out of me. actually most of bostens team annoys m. maybe it’s just me but i don’t remember KG being so Obnoxious in minnasota? anyway THANKS FOR EXPLAINING

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Aug 17, 2010 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

MY PLEASURE.

I appreciate that you took the time to read and consider my explanation points. I thought the same as you until what’s his name left (Antoine). Even though I always enjoyed putting a body on guys like him…..and he TRULY annoys me …..He’s got GAME. KG was and is obnoxious…..just not quite as much. I have to agree with you about Boston, the privileged few…..so annoying!!

by Stanley B on Aug 19, 2010 12:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Manu Ginobili

I hate this guy on the Spurs but I will love him playing with Steve Nash.

Just imagine our backcourt with Nash and Ginobili. They could egg a ham sandwich with both eyes closed.

Steve Nash can only give 100 percent. The other 10 percent he donates to his families.

I believe in the destiny of the Suns. We can prevail.

by suns champ on Aug 15, 2010 10:57 PM MDT reply actions  

the 2005 version of both, please

or, just for the 2010-2011 season. Anything beyond that is questionable, as a pairing of those 2.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 16, 2010 7:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’d take the 07 version of Nash. That was his best year.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 16, 2010 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

No one has mentioned Robert Horry yet.

The guy’s a flopper and can be dirty, but he closes out games. He’s big-shot Rob for a reason. I still hate him for that hip-check.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Aug 15, 2010 11:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Lamar Odom..

guys kills us always. ALWAYS. i hate him because he plays for a different team.

But i would of course, LOVE the guy if he was ORNG.

by Gremer Tiu on Aug 15, 2010 11:28 PM MDT reply actions  

Manu and Tim are the most obvious answers. Odom and Pierce were great answers too.

In the spirit of picking someone different, here’s a good one: Carlos Boozer.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Aug 15, 2010 11:35 PM MDT reply actions  

gil motha f'n gil

I root forut gill; don’t ever want to see him a sun…but i like him. i hope he finally pulls his head out his ass and stays healthy

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Aug 16, 2010 1:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hate Mo Williams with a passion.

The guy seems like a giant douche to me. Without LeBron, he’s nothing.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Aug 17, 2010 8:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

WTF

killed us ? ….killed us always?…WANT HIM ON OUR TEAM?

haremoore u are my suns blogging Idol…this is the first time i completly disagree with you…I’m ok with disagreeing with others (even you) but please educate me,,, I don;t think farnar sux but that about as much as I’ll give the guy

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Aug 16, 2010 12:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

guys that have killed us lately

i hate it when the suns lose to really bad teams, (don’t we all). i hate when we lose to the pacers; granger and t.j always kill us, which i hate watching.
devin always does what we wants when he plays against us, and the worst part is, that he does whatever he wants no matter what or who he is playing with.
being an aussie i have to say bogut too. i hate him because he has always underperformed since he’s been in the league, his last year was probably his best, but i would love him on our team lol.
i must say that my answer would be jason kidd! i dunno why i hate him so much, i just do. i wouldn’t hate having nash and kidd start in the backcourt together though.

by sad97 on Aug 16, 2010 3:29 AM MDT reply actions  

Kobe or Artest

I just can’t stand Kobe, his smug smile and that stupid face he pulls when he makes his clutch baskets. He kicked Shaq out of town so he could be the man and all he did was cry, cry, cry, “I can’t do this by myself it’s too hard”. He got bailed out by the Gasol trade and gets a finals MVP for shooting bricks (it should have gone to Gasol). Though I can’t stand him as a Laker I would love to see him in a Suns uniform playing with Nash in the backcourt.

Artest should have been thrown out of the league for life for being a knucklehead over and over again. All the great players never to win a title and this fruitloop has one. But who better to have watch your back than crazy Ron Ron. Those years we got bullied by the Spurs, if we had him doing the dirty work playing hard nose defence and throwing his weight around maybe we might have a ring or two.

While I really can’t stand these two guys I’d probably love them if they played in Phoenix.

by Sunderstruck on Aug 16, 2010 5:25 AM MDT reply actions  

Durant

The only reason I ‘hate’ Durant, is because he isn’t on the Suns.

That counts, right?

by ScottTX on Aug 16, 2010 7:04 AM MDT reply actions  

The Name is Bruce

Yes, Bruce Bowen is the only correct answer taht comes to mind.
Nobody likes him. I am not sure if the SAS like him.

But, there he is like that frigging piece of s*&t that refuses to go down the drain and clogs the pipe.

He is not even a respectable scorer. But still manages to affect games. And I believe he plays DIRTY. Yes, I said it.

Shane Battier Defense is great, but Bruce Bowen Defense is dirty and how I wish that Piece of S^&t was blocking somebody else’ drain.

Bad Plumbing day effect.

by SS21 on Aug 16, 2010 7:52 AM MDT reply actions  

when you put it like that its hard to argue

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Aug 16, 2010 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is an ez one...

KOBE!!!!

I need a ring, DAMMIT!!

by Sunny_N_DC on Aug 16, 2010 10:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Nicolas Batum actually pissed me off in the first round of the playoffs,

for his nice play and nice attitude, but i guess he’s not at the Manu-stage yet. I would still love Batum if he was in orange.

by Lompe on Aug 16, 2010 11:05 AM MDT reply actions  

its been said but ginobili has to be the clear cut winner

kobe is obvious, but it would never happen, he is the Lakers franchise… reason enough to hate him, but you still have to respect him for his greatness. But Ginobili is a guy that I bet every Suns fan has wanted to punch in his big beak at some point over the past 6 years or so… yet he would be a guy you would love if he were on your team. Without being on my team I don’t even respect him. With every flop and complaint he makes with every call/non-call, I want to take my fist and shove it right in his suck hole.

by Gildo on Aug 16, 2010 3:53 PM MDT reply actions  

D HOWARD

no one has mentioned dhoward we’ve always needed a great c this guy would be perfect idk why i would hate him though ( i’ll figure out a reason)

by j_jacobnaz on Aug 16, 2010 4:55 PM MDT reply actions  

"idk why i would hate him though ( i’ll figure out a reason)"

I was wondering if anybody would use the fact that Suns have never had a great center in their reasoning.

Dwight Howard is sponsored by Ed Hardy and apparently loves the gear.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Aug 17, 2010 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

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by oLLiE Boombayay on Aug 17, 2010 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would say Duncan but...

he is old and getting bad, and he dosnt fit into the suns running system. Ill take Anderson Varajao right now

by Berecki on Aug 16, 2010 7:24 PM MDT reply actions  

yeah he would be good here, I think

but I have no specific reasoning why I think that

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 16, 2010 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I understand what you mean....

But HOW do you hate Tim Duncan? The Guy is an all around Class Act.

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by TheRza82 on Aug 16, 2010 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hate

Scottie Pippen. Everyone views him as some non selfish, team first player but the guy is an egotistical ass. Also, he earned the name Scottie “No Tippin” Pippen in Chicago because he literally DOESN’T TIP. As a person who spent much time working as a Waiter and struggling my ass off to make a buck this angers me like nothing else. The guy has made millions and millions of dollars and he can’t tip? He also called my favorite player ever, Charles Barkley a selfish fatty which is ironic in itself since Charles Barkley reportedly tips 200%. No, I am not basing this just off on Pippen’s tipping habits but I just just never liked the guy. Anyways, his defense and offensive skill set would be HUGE on this team, He’s a great player who didn’t need to dominate the ball to be effective, unlike Lebron James who takes the ball and literally stops all offensive flow. He is a fantastic rebounder for his size and averages 5 APG for his career. Basically, he would solve all of our problems. Perimeter defense, a strong rebounder, and an efficent offensive scorer who can get to the line at ease. What is there not to like? Oh yeah, he’s a dick.

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by TheRza82 on Aug 16, 2010 7:41 PM MDT reply actions  

Good Answer

Screw Pippen. Perhaps Pippen’s financial problems are karma for his lack of tipping.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Aug 17, 2010 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Absolutely hated...

Rick Fox (wouldn’t kill to have him in a Suns uni though), Allen Iverson, and Dikembe Mutumbo (in his prime). AI in his prime (late 90’s-early 2000’s) would’ve given us a Steph/AI combo which would’ve killed us though..

by vincent enrique on Aug 16, 2010 7:51 PM MDT reply actions  

I thought everybody loved Dikembe. I sure did. Don't think I could even pretend to hate him.

Sure would like to see him (at his peak) on this team now, though.

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by haremoor on Aug 17, 2010 1:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Second the love for lovable furry old Grover...er... Dikembe

Seriously, how can you hate him when he talks like that, and builds hospitals in Africa and stuff.

by jc79 on Aug 18, 2010 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Retired: Jordan, Active: KG (2008 or sooner)

Yes I hated MJ. I hated how he made basketball look so easy and how all media sucked up to him. I hated how every commercial had MJ and “23” was always the 1st number taken on the teams growing up. I hated how he beat my team and how he would get every call. I hated how people called him the best ever even when he was still playing. I hated how he left basketball in his prime because his dad died and still my Suns couldn’t get a ring. Close 2nd for Magic Johnson.

KG acts like a punk on the court with his dirty elbows, but he was a freak in his prime and I still think the Suns made a huge mistake not willing to give up Marion/Barbosa for KG. Close second for Gasol.

All those scrubs people listed I wouldn’t want on the Suns. They killed the Suns perhaps, but that is just bad defense. They wouldn’t have done jack with the Suns.

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by xinyue17488 on Aug 20, 2010 6:32 PM MDT reply actions  

Durant

I hate to see a player like Kevin Durant in a team like OKC, because is alone with no one with the same quality to help him out. Maybe Westbrook is the only guy in that team that can really help Durant.

So i’d like to see what the two times MVP, my favourite player in the NBA, Steve Nash, and KD, could in the Suns.

by pedrito07silva on Aug 23, 2010 3:05 PM MDT reply actions  

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