How important is Steve Nash to you?
by RMason on Aug 20, 2010 3:30 PM MST
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Recently Wil Cantrell asked if you would, hypothetically, commit to ten years of the Suns sucking like a Timberwolf for a single championship. The subsequent poll showed that most people would. It brought to mind a different question, one that might hit a little closer to home for some of you. It has to do with our beloved face of the franchise, two-time MVP and lifetime Canadian goofball, Steve Nash. Here's the question.
Would you trade Steve Nash for a guaranteed Suns championship in 2011?
Here are the specifics. The hypothetical question that I'm posing would ensure at least one Phoenix Suns championship upon the trading of Steve Nash. Whom he would supposedly be traded for is irrelevant, just use your imagination and keep it at that. There are no strings attached to the deal that stipulate that they must suck eggs for the next ten years, after their one title they are free to compete for more but only one is guaranteed.
On the flipside, if you choose not to trade Steve the Suns can still try to win a title with him on board, so theoretically you can have both the championship and Nash in one tasty combo meal. Logically we are looking at two or three more chances before Steve calls it a career and his number 13 goes up into the rafters.
Just to make it clear what you are wagering, I thought I would provide some visuals.
This picture collage that was provided by our own waxmonkey will do quite well to remind you of the awesomeness of Steve Nash. This is who we're talking about trading.
But if you trade him, you will prevent the following display of disgusting, vile filth from happening:
via d.yimg.com
Picture these jackasses replaced with our own Phoenix Suns.
THE CHOICE IS YOURS
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Sorry, Nash is why I watch the Suns.
I’m content to go where Steve takes us.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
NASH IS THE HEART OF THE SUNS...
would you want a Ferrari without an engine?
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Aug 21, 2010 9:40 AM MST up reply actions
Exactly
Life's tough, wear a helmet
Phoenix Suns videos at my YouTube: youtube.com/user/marcus92682
by stevenash1326 on Aug 21, 2010 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
-1
So if Steve Nash was a Raptor or Knick you wouldn’t be a Suns fan or you wouldn’t watch the Suns?
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
This.
Sounds like a lot of people will bail out when Nash retires.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Aug 21, 2010 6:32 PM MST up reply actions
No, I won't bail.
But I want to see Nash retire as a Sun.
I moved to Harrisburg in 1987, at the end of Mike Schmidt’s career. I was always impressed that they didn’t force him out, they let him decide when he was done, It was a display of class on both sides. I REALLY though it sucked when the D’backs let Gonzo go. I don’t want to see that happen to Nash. He’s given up blood and bone for this franchise, and it matters how his loyalty is rewarded.
I don’t think I’m more right than the people who want a championship now – I haven’t suffered as long as others. But it’s not just the championship that matters to me – I love the regular season, I love the class of guys like Nash and Grant, and I don’t want to win with a bunch of players I don’t like. I’ve said it before – if I had to root for Kobe, I would probably bail. But then, I didn’t like Raja after he clotheslined Kobe – I thought it was a cheap shot, and I lost respect for him. I also realize it made him very popular around here. But how we win matters to me.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
But then, I didn’t like Raja after he clotheslined Kobe – I thought it was a cheap shot, and I lost respect for him.
I’d like to think of myself as an honorable person…. but that move gave me wood. I wanted Raja to have my Kobe-bashing babies.
Even so, I know what you mean.
I must admit to a bit of guity pleasure, myself - but it was still a cheap shot,
and lowered him to Kobe’s level.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
+1000000
I became a Suns fan when he came back to Phoenix, though i’ve come to love the team (itself) more.
People love the Dunk, but i'll rather see a skillful athletic shot, a super 3-pointer from another area code or seeing players get Dragic-ed
I'm with haremoor.
The day Steve Nash retires will be the day I cry myself to sleep and buy a Goran Dragic jersey to try to calm myself down.
Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.
Steve Nash symbolizes Suns basketball for me.
There’s no way I could do that.
I moved to Phoenix in 2001 and went to my first game in December of 2004. He’s all I can remember about Suns basketball.
There’s absolutely no way.
I wouldn't even have traded ten years of living like a Timberwolves fan for a championship, much less Steve Nash.
First link is broken,
I think it would be worth it in that scenario..
if it got him a ring in his final year before retiring.
He doesn't get a ring.
The point is getting rid of Steve for the Suns organization to get a ring.
Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.
I was replying to waxmonkey
who was referring to the earlier wager of 1 championship in exchange for 10 years of suck..
No single player is bigger than the team
Even Steve Nash. He’s been the face of the franchise through arguably our most successful stretch (although, not even a Finals appearance in that stretch), he’s a 2-time MVP and there is a strong case that he is the best player in franchise history. But, we have had great players and teams before Nash, and we’ll have great players and teams after Nash. A championship is what it’s all about, and the Suns have tantalized us by coming close time after time through the years, only to let us down. Feel free to call me a heretic, but the probability of them winning one in the next two years or so with Nash is not high. I’d sacrifice the last couple of years of Nash to guarantee a championship.
by East Bay Ray on Aug 20, 2010 4:55 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Same here
I don’t know if the Suns will even win a championship in my lifetime, I want to see it though, even if Nash leaves. If Nash was in his prime and young, then I would not do it, but since he is only and is expected to retire in the next 2-3 seasons, I would do it.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
Being tantalized gives us a reason to watch.
Honestly, believing you can win is more important than the actual win to me. Believing gives you a season of entertainment, while winning only gives you a few days.
I’ll take season after season of happiness over a three day party and ten years of depression.
Ten years of depression doesn't factor in
“There are no strings attached to the deal that stipulate that they must suck eggs for the next ten years, after their one title they are free to compete for more but only one is guaranteed.”
by East Bay Ray on Aug 20, 2010 5:05 PM MST up reply actions
And, believing you can win and actually winning aren't mutually exclusive
by East Bay Ray on Aug 20, 2010 5:08 PM MST up reply actions
They would be if I hadn't misread the sentence.
Even so, I still don’t think I would, though it’s less cut and dry. I figure the last six years of fun we’re courtesy of Steve Nash, and moving him and then winning a title would be about the biggest “F-you Steve” he could get..
To respond to your point on a personal level...
I’ve been a Suns fan since ‘90, when it was KJ, Horny, Thunder and TC running the show and the Blazers were the “hump team” that PHX couldn’t get past.
Since then I’ve experienced the jubilation of the Barkley trade, followed by the Kidd years and finally the mundane Marbury years before the return of Nash. I can say without a doubt that no player has meant more to me as a fan than Nash, and I was a huge fan of Barkley and Kidd during their respective tenures as the franchise player.
Past players may have been better, but no player has had such a combination of excellence on the court, charisma, and league-wide relevance as Nash, and I doubt we’ll ever see it again.
OK I’m starting to feel like a creeper now, I’ll save the rest for his HOF induction. I hear ya though, Ray.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
Nash is a fantastic player,
but are you telling me that you wouldn’t take 2 years without Nash to finally win a championship in Phoenix after 40+ years? I would trade him for a ship’. We have Dragic to take Nash’s place, and I hope to see the Suns go out on the court and be presented the Larry O’Brien trophy by the commissioner in my lifetime. Let’s be real, unless Earl Clark gets LeBron James talent overnight, we won’t win a championship with Nash. Nash is fantastic on the court, he has playmaking skills like no other player, off the court..let’s just say he has his fair share of articles on thedirty.com. ;)
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
Yup, that's what I'm telling you.
No player has busted it harder than Nash in the playoffs, including those that have won a title. To sell him for a title would be too much irony for me to handle.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
by RMason on Aug 20, 2010 5:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
If we sold Steve Nash for a title, we'll be worse than LeBron selling out Cleveland.
Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.
Until Nash gets that restraining order against you
I think you’re good. It’s funny, but as I think about it those KJ/Chambers/Hornacek/Majerle teams are high among my favorite all-time Suns teams. We all knew the deal, that they’d win 55 games or so, then not make it past the conference semis or conference finals, but it would a helluva fun ride! Loved the Barkley/KJ teams, but they broke my heart the most because I felt like they should have won at least one championship. The mid-2000s Suns broke my heart in the same way. They coulda/shoulda/might have won one. I’m not a “championship or bust” guy but, damn, I’d like them to win just one, at least!
And, I rec’d this because I’m eager to see the conversation that ensues. Thanks for posting it.
by East Bay Ray on Aug 20, 2010 5:34 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks dude!
Much respect, as always.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
And I agree with your sentiments about the past teams.
The pre-Barkley years were an absolute blast to experience. Their arena was dubbed “The Madhouse” after all. But looking back, the Barkley/KJ years were more depressing than anything else. Damn, if Barkley hadn’t started to break down… damn damn damn.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
You remember the 89-90 team that FINALLY beat the Lakers in the playoffs?
Big upset, the Lakers had owned us forever, were a 63 win team, and we kicked their asses in 5 games! One of my proudest moments as a Suns fan.
by East Bay Ray on Aug 20, 2010 6:17 PM MST up reply actions
Those Pics are great
and remind me of why I love that guy, Nash is someone everyone would love to kick it with. Doesn’t take himself too seriously, down to earth, and totally committed to PHX.
one of my favorite nash moments is his youtube stepbrothers spoof with baron davis, classic!
Nash.
The line for me is a little blurred. I started Watching Basketball and the first thing I noticed was NASH.
I saw many talented players and read a lot about gretaness / legacies / Championship quests and I still chose Nash above all the rest.
The Suns are my Fav Team and the primary reason for that is NASH. He has made this journey as a fan wonderful. We may not have reached our goal yet. We may still have a long ways to go. But with pals (Players) like these, the distance does not matter.
I have said it before and I shall say it again,
“The Journey to the destination is more important and beautiful than the destination itself.”
Nash has been too loyal to us to just trade him for a championship. He said It wouldn’t feel as good to him if he won another championship with a different team. The first Championship needs to feel great. It ain’t going to feel so great knowing that it was going to happen and that we traded Nash for it.
Don't trade Dudley!
My dog is named Nash
I accepted a job to move down here from Seattle so I could become a season ticket holder to see Nash
It's a Casio on a plastic beach
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 20, 2010 9:16 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
wow!!!
this coming from a guy whows handle is 2NASHTY….totally rec’d
BTW hey BSOTS, we really need too rec good shit more often
"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."
Nash is the only reason I am a Suns fan
He is the reason i switch fandoms from the mavs to the suns at age 10. To hell with that championship if it means tradinf away Nash. I’m more of a Nash fan than I am a Suns fan.
by Desean Da Man on Aug 21, 2010 1:09 AM MST via mobile reply actions
We could't do that to Steve
Imagine him watching his former Teammates and Friends hold the Trophy and get the Ring he wants so badly.
No way we can do that to him
Unleash the Dragic!
Nash is the centre of the Phoenix universe
Winning a championship would be cool but for me it just wouldn’t be right if Nash missed out. The Lakers can buy their rings but they can’t buy what we have in Nash and Hill, absolute class.
This gets me to thinking
What other pro athletes have or have had such fierce and loyal support from the team’s fanbase even though they haven’t delivered a championship? Dan Marino? Karl Malone and John Stockton, maybe? Don Mattingly? LeBron James? Oh, wait. Never mind :-)
If Nash demanded a trade to Miami or LA so that he could win a title, I could hate him.
But I don’t think he ever would – and that’s why I love him. He sticks with us, I stick with him.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
I'm a Suns fan...not a Steve Nash fan
I was a Suns fan before Nash and I’ll be a Suns fan after Nash.
See ya Stevie thanks for the 6 incredible seasons…see you in the Ring of Honor.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Aug 21, 2010 11:57 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
+1
Thanks for that, Scott. I was afraid the blog might be renamed “Bright Side of the Steve”.
by East Bay Ray on Aug 21, 2010 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
Minus one individual player >> the franchise
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Aug 21, 2010 1:08 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Fans agreeing with you seemed like a threat to our community, so I figured I'd take a swing.
I’m not sure of the numerical value of one Scott Howard, but it felt right.
Ha.
You’re probably right. Something about a hole in the space time continuum.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Aug 21, 2010 6:47 PM MST up reply actions
It doesn't happen often
but Scott’s nailed this one on the head
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by Seth Pollack on Aug 21, 2010 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
This might sound pretty cruel, but I had no problem sending nash away because in my imagination, I saw nash going to a championship contender
that would win a chip right after we did. So not only would he suns win a chip, but the year after nash would win one and everyone would be happy.
"Remember this sh*t at christmas!"-Terry Crews, The Expendables
Glory for the Suns comes first.
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
by Turambar on Aug 21, 2010 4:07 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
You know what the irony is here?
The first guy who would say that it’s about the team and not the individual is Steve Nash.
A free ride when you've already paid
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
The champioship will mean nothing
if Steve Nash isn’t here.
Steve Nash can only give 100 percent. The other 10 percent he donates to his families.
I believe in the destiny of the Suns. We can prevail.
Are you serious?
So….if 10 years from now the Suns win a championship after Nash is long retired….it will mean nothing?
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Aug 22, 2010 1:07 AM MST up reply actions
Scott is right, for once!
I totally agree with you, a championship is a championship, with or without Nash, doesn’t matter to me.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
First time for everything.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Aug 22, 2010 1:58 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe it would be better to write
“the championship will mean nothing if we trade our basketball souls for it”
- which is a little closer to true.
ill take a championship over....
steve nash’s whole suns career. Players come and go, championships are FOREVER
No. Shit.
How do people not get this?
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Aug 22, 2010 1:07 AM MST up reply actions
idk
but i like the suns, not steve nash. Some people have it the other way around.
Steve Nash should at least be a gateway drug to Suns love.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Aug 22, 2010 1:14 AM MST up reply actions
That reminds me one time I was reading a Cavs blog during the time there was the Amare to Cavs rumors,
I checked it out again during The Decision, and noticed there were WAY more LeBron fans, than Cavs fans, I hope it’s not that way for BSotS.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
you're right
fuck it I was born in L.A. anyway, might as well change my SBN handle to “2kobeing” and start celebrating those championships
"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."
You don't get it, do you?
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
yea 2nashty!
unless you’re cheering the team for the exact reasons as jaxis, your support is worthless!
Now go watch the clippers to hide your shame
Nooooo
I don’t like these “Bandwagon Nash fans” sounds like you all will bail when Nash leaves, and it sounds like you are more of a Nash fan, than a Suns fan.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
watching the clippers would not be hidding my shame, it be wallowing in it
"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."
The Suns don’t need to make a deal with the Devil to win a Championship. We will do it on our own terms with or without Nash(depends whether he retires by then.)
No player is greater than a franchise and I understand basketball is a business. Nash has been loyal though almost too loyal. It wouldn’t feel so good if we traded loyalty for a Championship. I’d rather have the first championship feel great. Having patience will result in deeper happiness.
I like Nash and when he retires I will still be on here rooting for the Suns.
Don't trade Dudley!
You're using the word loyalty in reference to the word franchise...
Given how many teams relocate, it’s clear that any loyalty is one-sided, and that it’s really not possible to have the same emotional investment in a team that one might have for a college team, for example.
You can see that when you visit a live game, and a good chunk of the people are simply there to be seen. Or what happens when a team starts to slide (like the Suns did the year before) such as season ticket sales plummeting. The character of a fan base is determined by it’s support during the lean years, and it’s not clear that any team, except for the Knicks and maybe Portland, has that.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Aug 22, 2010 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
This is a trick
If we trade Nash for a championship,we’d become the Lakers,so the Suns won’t win anything
Unleash the Dragic!
is any one curios on how 2NASHTY will weigh in on this.....?
I watch every basketball game I possibly can. despite never playing orginized ball I talk like i coach the game. I saw Kobe and shack and never thought “Wow I need to follow this sport to a level nearing obsession”. I remember a friend in school who wrote barkley a persusive essay on why he should not retire as his english assignment. I thought he was nuts. when I was going to ASU and living in a roach infested 1 bedroom off collage, I would be pissed when a suns game was on because it meant UPN wouldn’t air “that 70’s show” reruns. then I was at Mcduffy’s one nite, I had started to notice the suns because i had heard they didn’t suck. it was the play offs and they were playing some team called the mavericks…and thats when it all changed. I had never enjoid watching any sports before.I didn’t even know positions exisited in basketball. amare and marion were great but even I could tell it was nash making it all happen. when i set up my SBN account I thought a handle that referenced a player would be sophmoric…but then I realized, if not for that player I wouldn’t even know what a point guard is. Nash will someday retire and I will keep watching BBall, and probably rooting for the suns; but it’s all thanks to nash.
BTW…when 2 time retires haremoore and I are meeting early at the bar to play a game called “hey remember when Nash….” your all invited.
"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."
No, but I'll buy you a beer. Provided you prove that you're 21 - I don't want to get busted.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
You had me until that last picture
Man would I love to prevent that. I mean, a Lakers loss is as good as a Suns victory in my book.
Hmm… apparently I am a hater.
If all that matters
is winning a championship, change teams.
Go be a fan of the Lakers or Miami or something.
When we win one, and we will someday, I want to do it our way.
That means with heart and soul and class. Steve Nash has epitomized those values since the day he joined our team.
If we compromise that, who cares if we win or not?
I’ve rooted for this team since I was 8. I’ll turn 50 in a couple of months.
And I can tell you honestly that it wouldn’t mean jack squat to me if some band of mercenaries in Suns uniforms hoisted a trophy.
by suns68 on Aug 22, 2010 9:23 PM MST via mobile reply actions 4 recs
Why would I root of Miami or LA?
I don’t root for the Suns because of Nash, or any other players. I root for them because they are my hometown team. What is the goal during the NBA season? I think it’s to win a championship. Also, please define “Band of Mercenaries” me.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
A band of mercenaries
What I’m talking about here is players who have no loyalty or feeling for fans or team or city or organization — just in it for the money and personal aggrandizement.
We’ve just been treated to the quintessential example: See “The Decision” for reference.
I have a hard time stomaching a situation where three of the league’s best players meet to decide which random city they’ll choose to bless with their presence and a probable championship.
I’m not sure if this year’s Suns will be all that great or not. But I’ll still enjoy watching them a lot more than I would if we’d been the beneficiaries of the Miami Hustle.
It won’t feel so good winning a championship if you know its going to happen though. I’d rather have the first one be great.
Don't trade Dudley!
by Beavis 25 on Aug 23, 2010 11:03 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes its a business
Sometimes its emotional.
I have followed the SUNS only since the Sarver/Nash Era.
I know I will continue to follow the SUNS after Nash Retires. Even if we do not win ’Ship.
The Test of my Fandom would be on the day when the SUNS Organization becomes one without class. With Mercenaries for hire, no loyalties / no commitments to winning but great talents nevertheless. (Something like the Clippers, maybe)
Would I be a Suns Fan if it felt like an organization of Mercenaries ??? Players within an Organization become mercenaries after the organization itself follows that route. If the player still wants to be a merc. the organization can still purge itself.
If I wanted ’Ships – I would follow the Lakers / Celtics / Spurs
If I Wanted Class/Loyalty – I would follow the Spurs / Suns / Magic / Rockets
If I wanted Drama – I would follow the Knicks / Cavs /
It could be a great post. Would you be a SUNS fan if the Suns were run like the Clippers.
by SS21 on Aug 22, 2010 10:12 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Yes
I am a fan of Arizona sports, I’m not a bandwagon Nash fan. Like East Bay Ray said, Nash would be the guy saying that you can’t put 1 player ahead of the whole team.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
I feel like this thread went sideways somewhere
Apparently we’d be dealing Nash for a bunch of murderers and rapists.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
The premise of the thread takes no account of Nash's wishes.
If we were out of it at mid-season, and he said that was what he wanted, maybe it would give Dragic a chance to develop as the starter, maybe he could go help a contender win a title, I’d be cool with that. I’m a Suns fan first, but I’d be less of a fan of the organization if they wronged Nash. Or Grant. Or anybody.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
Keep 'em
Honestly, no. Sure, a guaranteed championship would be nice, but that would probably entail the Suns leaving their current style of basketball. I want them to win, and I want them to win with Nash, running the style of basketball that he is adept with. If anything, just to show the experts that they don’t know everything there is to know.
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