Why we are NOT trading for a big man this year.
With the team how it is currently constructed, trading for a big man would be silly.
Here are the reasons why this is:
1. Fry IS the backup C
2. Already deep with C
3. To many players needing big minutes
1. Frye, as much as he has a PF's body, IS A C. the reason for such, it to draw the opponent's C out of the lane to guard him on 3pt. line. If Frye plays PF then the opponents PF can guard him easy with C guarding C. This ruins the ENTIRE point of having Frye as a weapon of the miss-match.
2. While I would LOVE some of the big man that could come to the team, there is no more minutes to go around. If we bing in another C (by trade), you now have 3 C alone.
When the Suns say they are shopping for a big man, they are looking for a Jarron Collins or Dwayne Jones. A big man to ride the bench JUST IN CASE of injury. This is also the role Matt Jannings would take.
3. Turk, Hill, Lopez, Rich and Nash are all starers and need good minutes. None can/should come off the bench. So bringing in another starter would require trading a starter. The only position deep enough is lose its starter is SF, and you can't really trade Hill. Can't trade Richardson cause trading J-rich IMO would case a big scoring lag, and would cause issues at SG (Chill ready for starting gig, and who is backup?) None of our SF's can really play SG as a back up, so a deal would require a new SG as well. Dudley and Hill can play SOME SG minutes, but I wouldn't make either my solid back up.
The ONLY WAY I can see this team and its current construction, getting a big (pf/c) and able to get minutes is at the 4 and by:
Sliding Turk from 4 to 3.
Trading or thinning the depth at 3 to make room for Turk.(Turk+Hill+Jyd+Clark? is to much) and giving Hill's leadership and vet experience, you can't trade or cut him, so you force him to the 2nd unit.
Maybe Hill could play the bench, but he has issues doing so at his age. He needs more of a shared time rotation (like what we have with Dudley). So the situation wouldn't be ideal AT ALL. Hill has only 1 year left on contract so I think the PF situation might be hammered out next year.
IMO, The team will stay as constructed. We MIGHT bring in a Jarron Collins just to fill the roster, but nothing to crazy.
The best thing about this team is the future after this year.
With Hill possibly retiring, that's an opening for Turk to slide to his natural 3. J Rich's deal is up after this year as well.
After that, the team is just fair game. Anything could happen. Rich could resign, or trade for a new SG. Promote Chill to start, and get a new backup, etc. The possibilities are endless at that point.
Next year's players under contract:
PG: Nash/Dragic
SG: Chill/Janning
SF: Turk/Dudley/Clark
PF: Lawal/Warrick
C: Lopez/Frye
Lots of options there. Also I really like Lawal, and given a few years, could be a starter.
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If anybody gets traded this season it will be Warrick or J-Rich and any of the scrubs.
Don't trade Dudley!
I can't reallt see Suns trading Warrick,
as he is a great fit in our offensive game, and is relatively cheap for a guy playing close to 20 minutes per game.
I can because despite him fitting in our offense I already know he isn’t a necessary piece.
Don't trade Dudley!
but how do you know that
without ever seeing him play?
And given that logic, wouldn’t you have said that about Frye last summer?
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It will be Dudley
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
Highly doubtful.
Dudley is worth more than his contract. Those tend to be the players that you don’t trade.
I know, I was just saying that because of Beavis's sig, "Don't trade Dudley!"
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
He did, a long time ago.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
Yawn.
If a big man is good enough (and I really don’t care to rehash the weeks-old arguments about the relative good enough-ness of Jason Thompson, Josh Smith, Andris Biedrins and Armon Gilliam), then a trade would be not silly. If Gentry and Babby and Blanks said “we want player X, because he is perfect for our goals, and we are willing to trade players A, B, and C to get him” then I will be excited that they found their guy.
"You're gonna meet some guys that don't know shit about baseball that are writing about it; and it bothers you a little bit, ya know? Jesus." -Ted Williams
by JeHa on Aug 22, 2010 9:35 PM MST reply actions
Get Earl Barron, or at least Dwayne Jones
No, we need another Center. Like Earl Barron or Dwayne Jones— Someone who could be our Bynum.
The key question about the suns is how Warrick/ Turk will handle other team’s PF’s effectively. Another Center would enable Rolo to play some minutes at PF, which along with Lawal, would provide a plan B for defending against PF’s.
Earl Barron would be a great catch because he would be not very expensive, a nd would be very grateful if we offered him say a 1.4 Mil, 3 year contract. (With second and 3rd. years partially guaranteed.
We need a Center who is a credible offensive threat, to not slow the game down and pull other C’s away. the new center would take minutes not from Frye, but rather from Warrick (a few from Turk) in situations where Turk / Warrick would be a defensive mismatch.
One reason I wouldn’t want to trade J-Rich is that J-Chil is not a good enough outside shooter yet.
We need to get the best, biggest Center in the draft next year
by Eagle Sun on Aug 23, 2010 9:08 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
I'm reccing this
Because the fact that the Suns may have finally found their first competent center since Alvan Adams, yet someone wants him to be a forward, is just too amusing.
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by RMason on Aug 23, 2010 12:12 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
well if we've got earl barron
we definitely have to find a new role for Lopez. maybe PG, if not PF?
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by Alex Laugan on Aug 23, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely.
Move your worthless ass over, Robin. Find some other position to play.
This town belongs to Easy E Barron now.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
Actually...
When you think about it… Eagle Sun/Earl Barron.
Eagle.
Earl.
Earl Eagle…
Holy shit, I think that is Earl Barron!
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by RMason on Aug 23, 2010 4:02 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
It totally depends on who you trade for...
But if you trade JRich, Turkoglu becomes the starter. Hill takes the faster wing defensively, and Turk the slower one. Childress still comes off the bench. Any leftover minutes at SG get fed to Goran, which is not a bad thing at all. Dudley remains the backup at 3. Clark or Lawal probably gets shipped with JRich in the deal, thinning the roster a bit.

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