New Phoenix Suns PF Hakim Warrick Cannot Wait To Get Started
New Suns power forward Hakim Warrick gave Bright Side of the Sun an exclusive interview last week. We covered a number of topics, but one word that kept cropping back into the conversation: consistency.
Hakim let me know what was most important to him, when signing with the Suns this offseason.
"Just being able to go and have a consistent role," Warrick said without hesitation. "Knowing night in and night out that this is my role and I'm gonna be going out there and playing. That's good with me."
You can make a case that consistent playing time is a two-way street - bourne by both the player and the coach - but it's no secret that Warrick has seen his share of coaching and system changes in five short years.
His first coach was Mike Fratello in 2005-06, the year the Griz won 50 games and got swept by the Suns in the first round (remember that?). Warrick had little impact on that season, playing only 10 minutes a game as Pau Gasol's back up.
Since then, the Grizzlies organization has sunk into a quagmire. Warrick's coaches since that rookie season (with games coached): Fratello (30), Tony Barone (52), Marc Iavaroni (123 games, marked by the Gasol dump 40 games into his tenure), Johnny Davis (2), Lionel Hollins (39). Last year, he played for 2 more coaches: Scott Skiles (48) and Vinny Del Negro (34).
Through it all, Warrick's minutes bounced up and down like a yo-yo.
Here's a review of his 2008-2009 season (ESPN Insider / John Hollinger):
The Grizzlies made so many strange moves over the past few years that Warrick's bizarre internment on the bench last year didn't even register a blip on the radar. It should have, though. He played only 24 minutes a game off the bench while obviously inferior players started ahead of him. Memphis seemed unusually determined to keep him in a limited role as an off-the-bench scorer.
Warrick led the team in PER and averaged 18.7 points per 40 minutes for a team that finished 28th in offensive efficiency. But Memphis refused to stray from the plan. In fact, his situation worsened as the year wore on, with Warrick playing only 20 minutes a game in March. This was insane, of course, but that's life with the Grizzlies.
Of his entire career, Warrick had this to say.
"There was times I was a starter playing 36, 35 minutes a game. Then there was times that I didn't know I was going to get in. It's just been so up and down, so to finally have that set role knowing what the coach wants and what he expects from me night in and night out basis, that would be great for me. Something I definitely haven't had in my 5 years in the league."
Certainly, each of those seven different coaches gave Warrick a role. The problem, likely, was maximizing his expected role with his personal skillset and mindset.
For example, anyone can ask me to remember to take out the garbage every time it starts to smell. But only the best motivator can get me to take ownership of it. I don't like taking out the garbage. It doesn't come naturally to me. So to get me to do it on my own, a leader (wife) has to make me want to do it. Somehow, some way.
Apparently, Warrick's "garbage" issue is playing defense on a consistent basis.
Early in Iavaroni's tenure with the Grizzlies as a rookie head coach (beginning in the fall of 2007), he wanted the team to focus on defense. The Grizzlies had signed Darko Milicic in the offseason to play C next to Pau Gasol at PF. Warrick was slated to be Gasol's backup (or front-court partner while Milicic rested).
Yet, just a week into the 2007-08 season, Iavaroni decided to make an example of Warrick by playing him only 13.8 minutes per game after more than 26 minutes the season before. When asked why the reduction in minutes, Iavaroni was less than verbose.
"I think we've been over this a couple of times," Griz coach Marc Iavaroni said at the time, "but if you want to go there again we can." From there, Iavaroni willingly delivered a plausible scouting report that explained Warrick's noticeable absence from the rotation. The reasoning boiled down to one word, and Warrick knew exactly what caused his sporadic playing time in the Grizzlies' first seven games. "Defense," Warrick said. "I've been basically given the same explanation."
That's all well and good, as long as the rest of the team was doing it's job on defense. The Grizzlies won only 22 games that season, finishing 28th overall in defensive efficiency. Iavaroni lasted just 1.5 seasons, surprisingly marking the longest tenure of any coach Warrick has had since entering the league.
As I wrote above, consistent playing time is a two-way street. But it doesn't help when the street name keeps changing.
Warrick certainly has some offensive similarities to the Suns' previous PF.
Here's a scouting report (ESPN Insider / John Hollinger) on Warrick from a year ago:
Offensively, he loves to set up at the elbows, especially on the right, and either shoot a jumper or make a quick drive and draw a foul. He'll also post up against smaller players when he gets a switch and can be effective shooting short-range hooks despite a lack of muscle. He can finish under the basket but tends to pick up traveling violations while winding up before he rises for the shot.
Warrick generated free throws by the bushel, ranking third among power forwards in free-throw attempts per field-goal attempt.
Sound familiar?
But Hakim Warrick is not here to replace Amare Stoudemire, and he will be the first to tell you that.
"There's no one guy that's gonna replace what he did for this team, night in and night out," Warrick said. "(With) everyone running and everyone subbing and imposing our will I think we can concentrate and make it a team effort. We may get beat up on the boards a little bit but they still gotta guard us on the other end. And so (losing Amare's rebounding is) something that can hurt us but I think we definitely have some guys that are athletic and can get some rebounds."
For his part, Warrick knows he has to improve his own game.
"I think just me becoming more consistent," he said. "Outside shooting is something I've improved so much on from just coming into the league and being able to knock down that 15-17 foot jump shot and just being more consistent. I think I've become a much better, more consistent free throw shooter and just continue to get stronger every year."
Consistency. That word keeps coming back up.
If Warrick is consistent in his effort and production, then he will get consistent minutes.
In his last season-plus with the Suns, coach Alvin Gentry has been a master at keeping everyone happy with their role. The young/new guys became more consistent as the season went on, so that by the time the playoffs started the Suns were a complete 10-man unit who knew what they were going to get every game from each player.
The only guys who were given a chance but fell out of this rotation were those who failed to play aggressive when on the court. Stromile Swift, in the spring of 2009. Earl Clark in 2009-2010. Umm, that's about it so far.
Everyone else has thrived when given the chance. How did his happen?
Leadership, in the form of Nash, Hill, Gentry and his coaching staff.
We all know what Steve Nash can do for a player's consistency and offensive game.
By comparison, here are Warrick's prior point guards:
Memphis
2005-06 - Damon Stoudamire (27 games, 31.9 min, 4.7 a/g), Chucky Atkins (43g, 27 mins, 3.0 a/g), Bobby Jackson (71g, 25 mins, 2.7 a/g)
2006-07 - Atkins and Stoudamire again
2007-08 - Kyle Lowry (82, 25.5, 3.6), Mike Conley (53, 26.1, 4.2), Javaris Crittenton (28, 18.1, 1.2)
2008-09 - Conley (82g, 30.6 min, 4.3 a/g), Lowry (49, 21.9, 3.6), OJ Mayo (82, 38, 3.2)
Milwaukee
2009-10 - Brandon Jennings (82, 32.6, 5.7), Luke Ridnour (82, 21.5, 4.0)
Nash, by comparison, has been the starting point guard of the league's best efficient offense (points per possession) in the NBA for NINE consecutive seasons.
"Oh man," Hakim said, of playing with Nash next season, "Like I said before it's a dream come true. A lot of guys don't get a chance to play with a point guard of his caliber and its really exciting to play with a MVP and (future) Hall of Famer."
A hallmark of this offense is that the players are ordered to take the open shot, when Nash gets them the ball. It took Raja Bell half a season to get it. It took Channing Frye 3 games.
"(Gentry) told me it might seem weird to me at first. Not too many coaches gonna give the green light to go out there and shoot it. You got that confidence knowing there's not gonna be any backlash taking a bad shot just as long as you're playing hard and you're leaving it all out there on the floor. It will definitely have the guys more confident."
And how important is confidence in the NBA?
"That's most of the game," he said. "When you're playing on this level. So many guys that are just as strong and athletic, to have that confidence in yourself and to know the coaches have confidence in you is a big plus."
As far as his role on the team, he says it's too early to tell.
"It's too soon for that," he replied. "We got a lot of guys who can play multiple positions. I know coach likes to go out there and throw a lot of different combinations at different teams."
There are several players with similar builds, but they each have a different skillset. Lopez is a true center. Frye is a "Suns" center. Turkoglu and Hill are true small forwards. Childress and Dudley are tweeners at the wing. Richardson is a true shooting guard, and Nash and Dragic share the point. Warrick is the closest thing the Suns have to a true power forward.
But really, all we know right now is that there are 10 guys with the proven talent to play 20+ minutes per game and Hakim Warrick is one of them. Who starts and who comes off the bench is less important than figuring out who plays well together.
"I've shown I can be productive as a starter and off the bench. It really doesn't matter as long as I can go out there and do that to help the team. If its being that guy to come off the bench and bring that energy I'm willing to do. Just really looking forward to going out there and helping this team."
On a personal level, the only Suns player Hakim knows is Channing Frye, from his rookie orientation. He only knows the rest of the guys from playing against them and watching Suns games on TV since college.
Training camp doesn't officially start until the end of September, but for Hakim Warrick the season starts much sooner than that.
He expects to move to Phoenix full time right before Labor Day, then start hitting the practice court every day from then on. He knows the pickup games in September are important, and that most of the players will be scrimmaging and working out at the arena throughout the month.
"Its an exciting time. I can't wait to get out there and see the guys and can't wait to get started."
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Sounds Great!
Thats what you like to hear. He sounds focused, hungry, and eager to prove himself.
Maybe it will rub off on some other players on the team.
Season can’t start soon enough!
I think its extremely important that he will be in Phoenix
right after labor day, playing every day. He needs the reps, needs time to get used to the players and the people on the staff. Of course there’s no coaching, but there are trainers to come up with a custom workout. And there’s guys like Hill and Nash who coach just by being there.
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Exactly!
In all reality all the new players, and even ones who had limited PT last year should be doing the same exact thing.
Paul Coro
has blogged that several guys are already in the gym on a regular basis. Janning, Clark, Lopez and Lawal have been there since mid August. Hill showed up last week, and Seth commented he worked with Lawal a bit.
Most of the other guys will be there right after Labor Day. Certainly Duds and Warrick have now confirmed it so far, mentioning they heard others would be in too. I think I recall JRich tweeting he’d be in after Labor Day too.
Only Turkoglu and Dragic won’t be there for sure till training camp, since they are training hard for the World Championships and will need a breather once its over before camp officially starts.
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Good to hear
Now lets hope the team gels and the chemistry is as good as last year. Could be a surprise team yet again!
Great article.
I’m excited to have him on the team, and can’t wait to see him play. It will be interesting to see what Gentry comes up with – he’s naturally a perfect fit for the second team, but I can see some advantages to having him start or play a lot of minutes with Nash, and having Turk share the floor with Dragic. It’s going to be fun!
Recc’ed.
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yeah that remains to be seen
we need to remember, though, that the starting lineup and the in-game matchups are entirely different things. Turk may start, but Warrick may spend a lot of his court time with Nash so the Suns have a good p-n-r finisher out there with Lopez.
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of course
Turk needs a finisher too, since he’s great at running a p-n-r. So Warrick may see a lot of time with Turk too.
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Oh baby
Nash – JRich – Hill – Turk – Lopez
or
Dragic – Childress – Dudley – HDubb – Frye,
or Switch the PG’s…. or Switch the Centers…
or we could go 2nd team All-International with
Nash – Dragic – Childress – Turk – Lopez (b/c of the name Lopez passes as international)
SO MANY OPTIONS.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
(I thought that one was obvious - the dude is basically greek)
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
(Psst... I like parentheses too)
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dammit, our all hair line up has been compromised
Nash Childress and Lopez are set, but losing Lou and TGriff was a fatal blow…
Rec'd
After reading this, I’m even more excited than I was after reading Eutychus’ post a few weeks back. I, like many other Suns’ fans, wasn’t really that happy with the Warrick acquisition when the news first broke out but all these writeups and videos posted have me seeing him in a different light. I’m really hyped up for this season :)
Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.
On a somewhat random note, but still Suns-related...
did anyone read David Aldridge’s Morning Tip on NBA.com today? It was an article about how teams can guard the Miami “superteam” and he named the zone as a good defensive scheme for trying to contain that many superstars. There’s also a bit on how the Heat can attack the zone.
He cites the Suns’ zone that was used against the Lakers in the WCF as an example of how the zone would be useful for a team like that. Just thought you guys might want to check that out.
Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.
yeah that's interesting
also interesting is that the Team USA is going to use zone in the World Championships.
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I think the zone will be even tastier
With the long athletic lanky dudes we have now in Childress and Hakim.
Imagine those two with the freedom to roam the passing lanes, and then imagine them on the ensuing fast break.
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hdubb
If anyone follows him on twitter,You know almost everyday he is in the gym and or playing pick-up games in philly,He plays with a few pros and alot of villanova players so he has definitley been workin.
kinda sounds like the opposite to me
But nonetheless im excited for what he brings to the table
Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.
by Wichita SunSteeler on Aug 23, 2010 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Great work Alex.
hakim’s saying all the right things.
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by Wil Cantrell on Aug 23, 2010 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Was “saying all the right things” meant to be pointed? Are you expressing skepticism of him? Wichita is right, and I jumped to conclusions in saying he obviously has a great work ethic. I did notice that Warrick failed to acknowledge his poor defense. All he said was, ’I’m happy because I’m going to get consistent minutes." He probably has a good attitude, but…I have no idea how much the Suns can get out of him.
I don't think his defensive problems are a question of work ethic or attitude
Maybe partially. But I think it’s more a matter that he simply can’t hold up physically. The knock on him has always been that he’s a PF in a SF’s body. At 220 LBs, he’ll get killed in the post unless we can find creative ways to hide him or give him help.
by East Bay Ray on Aug 23, 2010 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions
well, that all remains to be seen
While Turkoglu got credit for “not messing up a good thing” in Orlando’s defense, Warrick has not gotten that same kind of credit. In fact, he’s been minimized by his coach.
In his defense, so to speak, I didn’t ask him specifically what he intends to do on defense because he’d already said he didn’t quite know his role yet. He just wanted a consistent one, and he was excited about joining the Suns for that reason (not clear though if the source of his comfort was the Suns’ sales job/contract or if it was Gentry’s coaching a happy, 10-man rotation)
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I do think that
this can be done, since that’s how Amare was hidden, as long as Warrick meets his assignments on each play
At 220 LBs, he’ll get killed in the post unless we can find creative ways to hide him or give him help.
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Which would seem to suggest that he'd be better in tandem with RoLo than with Frye?
by East Bay Ray on Aug 23, 2010 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions
its only a problem if
the other team scores more than the Suns do.
Don’t panic at this point.
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Agreed, Alex
Our focus should be on scoring more points than our opponents. That will be the key to our season.
by East Bay Ray on Aug 23, 2010 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't know...
Scoring a lot of points? That should be a pretty tough transition for these guys. I’m not sure they can play that way.
It’s strange to think that Dennis Rodman weighed the same and yet he killed everybody else in the post. I guess he had 220 LB’s of pure muscle.
Don't trade Dudley!
it's legs and intelligence
He had strong legs and a knack for tipping the ball toward him. Also, his basketball IQ seemed to be very high. People probably don’t think of him as intelligent, because he acted like an idiot off the court, but he both played with great intelligence and had keen insight into the NBA culture.
Another nice write-up, Alex
Warrick has been in a lot of dysfunctional situations on poor, unstable teams, and that has undoubtedly hurt his development. He’s exactly where he needs to be now, on a team that fits his skills and will provide the kind of leadership he needs to be successful.
Not sure how meaningful it is overall, but Warrick was drafted by Jerry West in Memphis. He was caught in the wash of changing management and coaches in Memphis after that, but Jerry West was a brilliant NBA executive. It gives me more confidence in Warrick to know that West thought enough of him to draft him #19 overall.
well that's definitely true
that Warrick has been in a completely dysfunctional situation. It would be nice if the Suns found another diamond in the rough. The Suns have done it before with Barnes and Frye the last couple years.
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His first coach was Mike Fratello in 2005-06, the year the Griz won 50 games and got swept by the Suns in the first round (remember that?).
Sorry to be that guy, but I don’t ever remember the Grizz winning 50 that year. It doesn’t matter though because they still got swept, but not by us by Dallas. We swept them the year before in 04-05.
Don't trade Dudley!
they won 49 in 2005-06
when they were swept by Dallas.
45 the yr before when they were swept by Phx.
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I love this site!
Even in the “Horse Latatudes” of summer you guys put together some great reading, some of it is just for fun but there is still plenty of healthy rays from BSOS to keep me charged up till September.
Alex, are you or Seth going to be attending the practices?
Seth will
I will sometimes join him, as will Wil Cantrell. between us, we’ll post the practice notes just like last year.
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Man, I want to see the practices.
Can I bribe you all with Chipotle? Maybe some warm tortillas from Carolina’s?
Anybody else notice
that of his seven coaches, four were ex-Suns guys?
Scott Skiles – head coach
Lionel Hollins and Mark Iavaroni – assistant coaches
Vinny Del Negro – director of player personnel
by suns68 on Aug 24, 2010 12:24 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
I noticed that two were ex-Sixers,
one was an ex-King, and one was an ex-Buck. Hollins and Iavaroni were Sixers, Del Negro was a King, and Skiles was a Buck. As players ofcourse.
I alwaysthought.......
L-train should have had a chance to coach the suns.Lionel had alot to do with all the wins in the time he was here.That was westphauls biggest mistake letting him go he knew his ass was gettin hot on the seat so he let L-train and scotty robertson go as scapegoats,Im surprised jc let him do it, Wow a long time ago im gettin old.lol
Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.....
Blam and another well written intelligent article that got me pumped up, I can hardly wait for some Suns ball!! Seriously though, you asked and he answered some really good questions. The article gave me some sense of Warrick, whom I hadn’t heard that much about, so thank you for that. He sounds like a good character type who really hasn’t gotten a chance. Gentry should take care of that, he’s great at coaching the player. I also can’t wait!!!!
thanks Stanley
I must admit that, in playback, my questions were delivered poorly. But Hakim fought through it and managed to give us some good info on himself and his plans.
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The truth is...
We are 10 deep this season with two young and exciting prospects to develop in Clark and Lawal. Not many other teams have our depth, versatility and even spread of youth, veterans and professionalism. Plus we have the best trainers by a country mile. We may not win the championship but we are too good not to be playing playoff basketball.
Nothing is Set in Stone
Especially in the Wild West. But, I also feel pretty confident that we should be in the Playoffs next year. And I also believe that we will give some teams a run for their money in that contest.
Pre-Condition – We do not trade come Fab.
Because if that happens, chem is surely going for a nice toss in the traditional Chinese WOK.
Frye starts at pf
And have hill come off the bench. Having a vet play with the bench is not a bad thing and Grant did it before with Barns.
Then who plays back-up C?
Robin and Channing are the only true bigs on the roster, and starting both of them would leave us without a back-up for Robin if he gets into foul trouble or just gets tired.
well that's exactly the problem we have with our roster
It needs another player who can set screens at the high and low post, and defend down low. 2 isn’t enough.
and as I always ask when someone mentions this
we already have 10 veteran guys who deserve minutes, 3 of whom haven’t even had a chance to prove themselves on the court yet and the other 7 of whom no one seems to want to move.
So, if we sign this magical person, who gets benched in their place?
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and don't say
Earl Clark or Gani Lawal, since they are not part of the 10’
and don’t say Childress, Turkoglu or Warrick since all of them were acquired in the past month and none of whom have had a chance to disprove the reason they were acquired, which means their minutes aren’t going away at this point.
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and dont say
“everyone can sacrifice a few minutes so no one gets benched”
because that’s not realistic at all. The Suns already employ a 10-man rotation, and all 10 players are 20+ minutes a game types. No one deserves to get “dropped” to 10-15 minutes just so we can bring in someone like Earl Barron…
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Well, Alex, it's too bad we don't have someone to make these decisions -
someone with authority, someone who is paid to decide – right there while the game is going on – which player should be on the floor for a given matchup or situation, someone who spends time with the team, maybe even at practice, so he would know what each players strengths and weaknesses are, someone with a game plan, someone who is accountable –
Oh, well, in a perfect world, I guess…
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right, but I'm just saying
that if you add too many ingredients to the stew, it’s liable to get spoiled. Historically, even a 10-man rotation ends up with players feeling squeezed.
Last year, it was LB and Lou who got squeezed for minutes (and even Goran). As individuals, they deserved more than they got, but they didn’t deserve more than the players ahead of them on that squad. You can’t take any more minutes from Amare to give them to Lou, or from Nash to Dragic or from Jrich/Duds/Hill to LB.
Yet, at the end of the season, all 3 “should” have gotten more. And 2 of those 3 were unhappy with that to verying degree, and are now gone.
In their place, we’ve added even more depth. The hope is that Nash and Hill will be perfectly okay with a few less minutes apiece, and that Amare’s 34 minutes can be divvy’d amongst the newbies.
But even then, the minutes will be squeezed amongst the 10. Only in case of injury could we use a backup C. But it has to be someone willing to sit the bench unless disaster happens.
And this all assumes Lawal and Clark and Janning don’t deserve those injury-available minutes…
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I don't necessarily agree with moving Frye to PF.
But as none of our Cs really have the size to play C, we need another true C on the roster. An injury or foul trouble in a big game could derail the whole season. I’m not saying go bring in a big name guy who’s going to start to demend minutes. I’m talking about a guy like Dwayne Jones who has the size and skillset we want but doesn’t have a big ego. He can sit on the bench, work on his game, and then come in when he’s needed.
Hey why don’t we bring back Dwayne Jones?
Dwayne Jones
that’s the right kinda guy
sorry Omaha. I was just reacting to others who want a real, gimme minutes player. Odds on how long it takes for a “let’s sign dampier” fanpost to appear, once he’s released this week?
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30 minutes.
Any takers?
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I seem to remember
that we did pretty well with Jarron Collins as our insurance guy at center. Two playoff series started, two playoff series won.
What ever happened to him?
by suns68 on Aug 24, 2010 4:04 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
We realized that we could have started a 6'11" wooden pole and gotten the same production.
Lance Blanks is reported to be at Home Depot looking for our 14th player.
*a 6'11 wooden pole with man boobs.
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- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
um, excuse me
those are called moobs. get it right.
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We got away with that because...
we had Amar’e. Collins was just there. He contributed virtually nothing on offense and wasn’t exactly stellar on defense either. I believe he had the second worst ppg average in the league, right behind his brother. If he contributed veteran leadership and was a good locker room presensce, then I appreciate what he did. But he didn nothing on the court.
At least with Dwayne JOnes we get someone who is good at something. Even in the d-league you can’t luck into 16 rpg. That plus 6’11" 250 lbs is enough to convince me.
Dwayne Jones with a full season on bench > Jarron Collins
its just that Collins was a profesional, known quantity.
As suns68 said. Two series as starter, two series won. No matter how bad we think he looked, he had to do something right (or, refrained from doing anything seriously wrong, which is more detrimental than doing something right sometimes)
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I like Jones too
But is he right for the role of insurance center?
Would he be OK sitting almost a whole season and then stepping into the starting lineup for the playoffs?
Alex, your analysis is spot on. Collins did what was necessary, providing a steady if unspectacular presence, which allowed the Suns to keep their rotation basically in order.
That was more important in the end than productivity from the position.
He’s a pro and I’m really glad we had him against the Spurs.
by suns68 on Aug 24, 2010 6:39 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I like Jones too
But is he right for the role of insurance center?
Would he be OK sitting almost a whole season and then having to join the starting lineup for the playoffs?
Alex, your analysis is spot on. Collins did what was necessary, providing a steady if unspectacular presence, which allowed the Suns to keep their rotation basically in order.
That was more important in the end than productivity from the position.
He’s a pro and I’m really glad we had him against the Spurs.
by suns68 on Aug 24, 2010 6:42 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
One of the best articles I’ve read in quite some time. Loved the analogies/puns with the two-way street and the garbage. Again, agreed with everything said too. Gonna be a fun season!
by BringBackBarkley17 on Aug 24, 2010 4:26 PM MDT reply actions
thanks for the compliment
I really enjoyed doing the interview, then researching to fill out on some of the things he said.
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Sounds like a total blast. I used to be a newspaper reporter in a small town covering boring things like the city council meetings. Would have much rather been covering the Suns, lol. Now, I’m a court reporter and just write what I hear in court to keep a verbatim record of the proceedings. I don’t get to make up my own stuff anymore or be creative. But I still love to write, and I love your style!
by BringBackBarkley17 on Aug 24, 2010 6:12 PM MDT reply actions
Let's get dunking on people's head Warrick!
Steve Nash can only give 100 percent. The other 10 percent he donates to his families.
I believe in the destiny of the Suns. We can prevail.
further support for Hakim Warrick
courtesy of the Grizzlies
http://www.memphisflyer.com/BeyondtheArc/archives/2010/08/24/michael-heisley-annotated-part-two
As for his assertion that there was not internal disagreement about pulling Warrick’s offer sheet — well, I guess I don’t know what Heisley people said to him on the subject, but I feel comfortable in saying that most if not all of Heisley’s top level basketball staff would have preferred to keep Warrick. So either Heisley is misrepresenting the situation or private misgivings were not fully expressed.
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Holy Cow!
And people here bitch about Sarver.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
right
at least Sarver didn’t sound like such a douche
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Dwayne Jones like guy will get at least 10-15 minutes in new offense
We need a Dwayne Jones like guy to play WITH Rolo or Fyre to hold our own in the paint against Pau Gasol, Al Jefferson, Dirk (from Dallas), Tim Duncan, etc. Think that Turk/ Warrick can guard these guys for 30+ minutes a game ? ? ? We will need a Center to both defend and help Rolo play the “pick and Rolo” (which will drive Rolo’s numbers up, towards Gasol’s) with Nash for some minutes to replace what Turk/ Warrick can’t replace in terms of Amare’s production (points and Rebounds).
Lawal will offer some help later on, (he is Stronger than Turk/ Warrick)but he will need some seasoning to be effective.
Thus, the new Center will HAVE TO play an average of 10-15 minutes a game, not counting injuries, foul trouble, or relieving minutes (Frye would play 20-25 minutes at least, Rolo 25-30 under such conditions). We thus need a Center with a Respectable offense and good Defense.
We can also fill in the gaps to paint defense with J-Rich, J-Chil, Lawal, and Dragic going to the rim quite a bit more and drawing fould from the Big Men.
To Completely replace Amare, we also NEED — a body with the Strength of Amare.
This is the Post-STAT era, think creatively and advocate changes.

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