JOSH SMITH
by matrix7 on Aug 25, 2010 2:58 AM MST
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If we are to believe the comments from BSOTS fans, Josh Smith is one of the favorite players to play the PF position with the Suns. Why not? Is it possible? Do we have the right players to try a trade? I think so.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26xyn3n
Hollinger's Analysis: +10 wins
With this trade you have increased this team's projected wins by 10.
Woof!!! 10 more wins; that means 64 wins in the 2010-2011 season, or what is the same, court advantage all the series.
Why did the Suns should make this trade? For obvious reasons, there is no need to explain.
The problem is Atlanta. They have resign JJ, but I get the feeling of being a very unbalanced roster; from my point of view there are many guards and PF, and few SF and C. For the SF position they are very week: Marvin Williams and Maurice Evans, that’s not much. They may play with Bibby – JJ – Williams – Turk - Hordford.
It’s clear that the Hawks aren’t dumb. What else can we offer? 2 first rounds, 2011 and 2012? Clark? Why not?
It seems that 2 first round are too much, but they would be very low, in fact, they would be the n º 30
Suns' roster. A strong starting lineup: Nash-JRich-Hill-Josh Smith-Robin. Off the bench:: Dragic-Childress-Dudley-Lawal-Frye. My bet for the PF position is Lawal. Why? There are 96 minutes available for four players in the front court. Josh Smith played 35' last season; Frye played 27’ and Robin should be important this year and play 25-30'. If Robin plays 25' there are 9' for Warrick. I think these 9’ should be for Lawal and see his progress.
Then we can use Warrick to get a future first round and cut the payroll.
The current payroll is 61,846,737 m$ with 13 players. If the trade is carried out successfully we have a payroll of 63,330,887 m$ with 13 players. But what is more important, we have a younger roster, more balanced and the possibility of using players (Warrick, Clark, JRich) to improve the team via trade, or getting future first rounds.
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Wow
Didn’t know we had a genius on this site! Awesome, call Blanks and get it done, dude. Or you might just tweet him, I’m sure that’ll do.
You know I'm a big fan of how Josh Smith would fit on this team
and I’d love to see a trade go down. And I know we’d HAVE to move at least 1 rotation player out, in order to fit him into the minutes equation.
However, there’s no way the Suns trade away 2 of their 3 summer acquisitions before they even play a game with the Suns. And if this trade happens at the deadline next Feb, its an indication that the season has been horrible so far. Otherwise, we wouldn’t want to mess with chemistry at that time to such a degree.
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Quick tip to you (future NBA GM)
Don’t trade 2 future 1st rounders. Ever.
1 injury/suspension will derail your franchise.
Also, Hollinger’s +/- win total is based on PER, not team chemistry.
I don’t know Josh Smith very well, but he seems to have the Amar’e “me-me-me” attitude.
Oh, and he can’t palm the basketball – hands are too small.
The Lakers traded 2 future 1st rounders for Pau Gasol and that sure worked out for them
I agree with you about Josh Smith and about this trade overall, but disagree that it’s a hard and fast rule to never trade 2 future 1st rounders.
by East Bay Ray on Aug 25, 2010 10:35 AM MST up reply actions
Hm, so it could be considered a rule
with a few exceptions. Also, I think the league prohibits trading back-to-back first rounders. The Lakers gave up 2008 and 2010, but again, I would’ve pushed for the exact same thing for the Suns.
Fist shaking at Grizzlies
by ajotanelsona on Aug 25, 2010 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
It was Marc Gasol, Kwame Brown and Greivis Vasquez, Jarvas Critterton and Aaron Mckie for Pau Gasol
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
so, Marc Gasol for Paul Gasol then
Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun
by Alex Laugan on Aug 25, 2010 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
pretty much
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
"I think the league prohibits trading back-to-back first rounders"
Correct. We have former Cavs owner Ted Stepien to thank.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Aug 25, 2010 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
Yes to Josh Smith
No to giving away two first rounders. Who are we, the Jazz?
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
I don't like the idea of giving away draft picks
but honestly, in this rotation, are they going to get any PT? Or just another Earl Clark?
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
funny, that's what
bryan Colangelo probably, most likely, said before the 2004 draft.
The Suns had Marion (22), Amare (21), Joe Johnson (21), and LB (20) in their rotation heading into the summer, plus a number of other youngsters 22 and under (Maceij Lampe, Zabarkaba (sp?), etc).
Thinking there wasn’t room for another youngster and that they needed veterans, BC traded away the #9 pick (which turned out to be Iguodala) for cash and #31 (jackson vroman). Then the next 2 yrs, they traded out of the draft as well… and this was before the salary cap caused financial constraints.
So, still think we should trade #1s because, at this moment, we don’t see where they’d fit in the rotation?
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by Alex Laugan on Aug 25, 2010 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
Exactamundo.
(and it’s Zarko Cabarkapa, by the way)
Draft picks are as important as ever right now. We have the 1 and 5 positions locked up, but aside from that our only other young guys (reserving the mention of Lawal until I actually see him play) are Dudley and Clark, the former being a role player and the latter being Earl Clark. We need one more piece to carry us into the post-Nash era, and that piece could be found with a late first rounder.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
I don't think we need vets or youngsters
we are stacked atm, let’s see where this team takes us first, then we’ll make changes.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
stop being that guy, if you hate it so much!
really, he was 26 in the summer of 2004?
Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun
and by the way
pointing out the actual ages does not take away from my point, which was that BC didn’t want any more kids. He wanted veterans.
Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun
2004 – 1978 = 26
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
bold letters
make any argument more factual. Didn’t you know that? Just like using all caps.
Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun
To be honest
The only part that should be in bold is:
Woof!!!
by ajotanelsona on Aug 25, 2010 10:15 AM MST up reply actions
And, the projected +10 wins for the Suns
Is based on win amount projected from the current roster, not the number of wins they had last regular season.
Dont the hawks want to shave money off of their roster? Also JJ dominates the ball so much and plays a ton of minutes which is what allows him to have his 22-5-5; he needs the ball in his hands for every possession.
Having Hedo would just get in the way of all of that.
"Remember this sh*t at christmas!"-Terry Crews, The Expendables
lol wtf
why would the hawks want to take on payroll an older player that is redundant in their system. I personally don’t think the hawks would even remotely consider such a trade. The two first rounders are good but if they wanted to go strait into rebuilding by picking up a sf instead of a center, then they might as well go after jason richardson and his expiring contract. Besides, how much are they going to have to pay harford next season? From my limited information on hawks basketball i would think this is a ridiculous proposal.
Jamal Crawford demands extension or trade
If the Hawks extend him, then the Horford/Smith possibilities become real. If they trade him, then the lottery is probably over.
Yeah, he's looking for some pretty big bucks, too - $12-13 mil a year.
Can you say “Luxury Tax”?
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
He's worth it.
Stats are very similar to J-Rich’s for (currently) $4.5m/year less money – and he does it off the bench with Bibby and whoever they have at the time behind Bibby as his PG.
If the Hawks don’t extend, I’m betting someone out there will pay up $12m/year in a heartbeat.
I believe he was the PG playing behind bibby.
The Hawks offense was mainly 1-on1 anyway, so they didn’t really need a PG. Crawford replaced Bibby, and they let JJ and jamal split the ball-handling duties.
Anyway, the Hawks are in trouble. JJ was locked up for 6 years at $20 mil a year. Horford needs a new contract. Now Crawford is calling for them to fork over the dough. Thy still need to bring in legit C to challenge for a title. They might have no choice but to get rid of J-Smoove.
The problem is they would need exporong contracts in return. J-Rich and Grant are really all we have to offer, and I don’t think it would be worth it to ditch them for Smoove.
Yes, technically it was split between him and Teague.
But my point was that he put up J-Rich numbers without any help at only 70% of the cost.
Fun fact: the offensive game plan in Atlanta is known as the “Iso-Joe”.
By the way, you may have missed some of our previous (and painfully in-depth) discussions on this subject.
It is unlikely that the Hawks will trade for any expiring contracts, as that would look bad after maxing out JJ. They are much more likely to move Crawford or Smith for a half price center and maybe a point guard, and use the savings to resign Horford. However, they still seem to be desperately looking for a way to keep all of them and add a center without going too far into the luxury tax.
It’s not a straight up option, but I’d trade Richardson for Smith.
Of course he's worth it - if the Hawks don't give it to him, another team certainly will.
But that’s the point. This is what we were hoping for – Atlanta can’t pay 4 players max money.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
This is only what we're hoping for if Atlanta pays Crawford.
I’m afraid the real choice was always between Crawford and Smith. Smith is more of the fan favorite and “franchise” player. Crawford coming out like this publicly makes it easier for Atlanta to choose him to be the one to go – though it’s probably a choice they didn’t want to make yet.
This feels like bad news, as I suspect Atlanta is going to trade him once they find something worthwhile, and ignore him in the meantime.
I hop you're wrong. But you may be right.
I’m hoping that in the wake of the JJ signing, they won’t be able to let Crawford go. But if it was me, I would surely prioritize Horford and Smith. Oh, well, we’ll see.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
Me too.
Crawford is technically a backup to JJ, while Smith (will be) a backup to Horford. Both of them are really expensive for backups.
One thing we have going for us is that lots of the offense runs through JJ in crunch time. Omaha correctly pointed out that often Crawford will be put at point guard on the floor with JJ at the end of games, even though he’s really just playing as a second shooting guard. This might be seen as versatility that Smith can’t match, as Smith doesn’t fit well at Center or at Small Forward when Horford is on the floor at the four.
Still, Smith is much more popular than Crawford in Atlanta, and the fans are already angry at the ASG (Hawks management), so if it’s a wash then the fan reaction might be enough to make them decide to keep Smith.
Most likely scenario to me – both Smith and Crawford are quietly shopped, and the one that hooks the biggest fish will be the one let go.
Well, it's good that they are being forced to deal with Crawford before the season -
they were going to have to do it this year, anyway. I hope they keep him. They also have Marvin Williams, Bibby, and Pachulia under contract for a long time – they can’t possibly keep all of them. The timing might work against us, but it might work for us.
They will make a qualifying offer of $7,143,652 to Horford, or they will negotiate an extension. I’m hoping we get a chance to run that up to max.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
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