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Dont-toni & kerr G.M. tenures



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Looking back I think as suns fans we are very fortunate to be where we are at. All those sold draft picks I trully believe that was dantoni more than sarver beign cheap.Mike either had no idea or was too lazy to develope talent.So it was easier to whisk the picks away than take them and put in the work to make them assests to the team.As far as dont-toni the GM two words marcus banks,Why not just give the money to tim thomas?I was never a kerr fan either,He in my opinion was far from  great, Ok guy but his moves were not the best IMO seattle would have setteled for some stiffer protection on the picks Its not like dirty was eddy curry,They knew they could flip him by the deadline and they did. the shaq move was destined for failure just his ego in the locker room  more than ability,Yes shawn had to go but not for shaq.alondo tucker and taylor griffin were horrible choices in draft.We could have tiago splitter steppin in for stat right now.I always thought instead of selling those picks we shoulda been trading for future picks or selecting guys like splitter to stash in europe,Im not saying kerr was a total failure but maybe were better off with this new front office structure.I hope anyway.

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Good grief.

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by RMason on Aug 27, 2010 9:30 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

is this a good grief

because of the lack of sentence structure or the ideas involved? I couldn’t get past the first sentence due to the lack of structure to it.

by styks on Aug 27, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

look

just a fan sorry im not einstein,are you fans or english professors,I wont ax your grammar correct site again.

by stevedavis_ on Aug 27, 2010 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not an English professor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

If you think that is hate, you are entirely too sensitive. A lot of guys on here work pretty hard at making their posts and comments clear, grammatically correct, and understandable. Other guys (cough, cough 2Nashty cough) are abysmal spellers, but we weed through what he says, and he has good ideas.
     Just because someone says something doesn’t mean you have to take it personally. Yeah, you’ve been dished some crap, some of it from me, and you deserved it. But we also commented on your ideas, and offered constructive criticism, which I assume was your goal. If you don’t want the crap, work harder or get some help. If you keep posting stuff like this, you’ll get some crap. That’s not hating, that’s self-policing. If your grammar and sentence structure keep your ideas from coming out, it’s your responsibility to do something about it, and it’s our prerogative to point it out. But there is enough serious response for you to keep posting, and I hope you do – this one is better than the last post.

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Dorothy

by haremoor on Aug 27, 2010 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hate on? Whoa, there. Maybe you should look in the mirror

This whole post was one big hate-fest on D’Antoni and Kerr, crucifying them for their mistakes while giving them no credit for their accomplishments. Kerr was “not great”? OK, well how did you like acquiring J-Rich and Dudley for Diaw and Bell? How did you like drafting Lopez and Dragic? How did you like not trading Amare and riding him to the door of a conference championship last year?

As for D’Antoni, yes, he wasn’t cut out to be GM, but let’s show some appreciation for what he did for the Suns. The current Suns team philosophy was basically crafted by him. He played a big part in recruiting Nash. He won 71% of his games as Suns head coach. There’s no need to resort to silly name calling. “Don’t Toni”? Come on.

You really can’t come here and trash on others and expect your trashing not to be trashed. That whole “pot calling the kettle black” thing. As for your language skills, if you’re going to post your writing to a website, you’ll get called out if the writing is poor. It’s not so hard to use basic grammar, and it doesn’t take being an “Einstein” to do so.

by East Bay Ray on Aug 27, 2010 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good points..

And as far as spelling an grammar, use Microsoft Word to edit your submission first. Heck a lot of browsers have built in spell check these days if you don’t have Word on your computer.

It doesn’t hurt! Sometimes it’s just plain to read or take someone seriously when the writing is full of grammar and spelling errors.

by AcucracK on Aug 27, 2010 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

SO sad

It is so sad that people tend to see what he wanted to see. And sometimes what other people have done wrong is more obvious to them than what they have done right. One mistake just overrule all the good things.

by Christian_33 on Aug 27, 2010 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Christian

There’s a lot of wisdom in what you said.

by East Bay Ray on Aug 27, 2010 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

hindsight is always 20/20

but in retrospect, the picks the Suns gave Seattle/OKS were low anyway (26th and 25th I believe) so protection was not a factor, unless you take the stance that Kerr would have been more inclined to throw 2009-2010 away if he’d had a protected lottery pick at the end of the rainbow. Still, I wouldn’t trade 2009-2010 for anything.

Also, look at selling draft picks this way. On this very board, fans are throwing out “future draft picks” and Earl Clark like candy to make a trade to make the 2010-2011 team a contender. That’s basically the philosophy that Sarver/D’Antoni/BC/Kerr used during “the run” to spend the money on the “7 starters” instead.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 27, 2010 11:22 AM MDT reply actions  

Alex, your comment looks good for treating this guy’s post as worthy instead of mocking the writing. @ Styks: I’m a writer myself, so you’d think text like that would irritate me; but for some reason, personally, I tend to ignore bad writing unless asked to critique it.

by 8472species on Aug 27, 2010 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

well the point of the post was valid

and we all have our own opinions of the past, so I just wanted to respond to content rather than the format.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 27, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Alando Tucker

I don’t think Alando Tucker was a bad choice. If he had had enough playing time to develop (which he wasn’t getting even with Alvin Gentry) and if the team had really needed him (which it never did), he might now be a good enough player. I think one of the problems was actually his height. He didn’t seem to shoot well enough to fit in at shooting guard, but was pretty small as a forward.

by 8472species on Aug 27, 2010 12:10 PM MDT reply actions  

He was a 6-5 Foward, just like Griff a undersized foward

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by Jaxis on Aug 27, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought Griffin was a bit taller—around 6’7". 6’5" is almost as short as Charles Barkley was.

by 8472species on Aug 27, 2010 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Griff was a 6-7 PF

Barkley was a 6-4 Foward

"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!

by Jaxis on Aug 27, 2010 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can't join in bashing D'Antoni after the fact.

He always put the lineup that he thought would win on the floor – same as Phil Jackson did this last year. And Kerr didn’t do such a bad job – the Shaq move was valid, even though it didn’t work out like planned. A lot of the moves both Kerr and Mike made worked out – we did make it to the WCF last year, so it’s hard to call them ‘failures’.
    We made it through some bad decisions by dumping salary and making some wise choices, and we’re in really good shape now, so what’s to bitch about?

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Aug 27, 2010 12:56 PM MDT reply actions  

trading for O'Neal was a gamble

There had to have been more conservative and cautious trades out there than Marion for O’Neal. I don’t remember anymore whether there was anyone available fitting this criterion, but the obvious thing to hope for was trading Marion for someone similar to him.

by 8472species on Aug 27, 2010 1:16 PM MDT reply actions  

And there was commentary in the sports media that wanting O’Neal might have peen a panic move trigged by the Fakers’ Pau Gasol swindle. If that’s true, too bad the Suns let the Fakers scare them.

by 8472species on Aug 27, 2010 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was always about beating the Spurs

People said it was a reaction to the Pau trade after the fact. Tons of people were picking either the Suns or Spurs to go to the finals once the playoffs started that year.

by hcblankscreen on Aug 27, 2010 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah but the suns were number 1 in the L before the shaq trade.

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by Bkj on Aug 27, 2010 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

That was irrelevant

They had great regular season records the three previous years, Kerr felt something had to be changed to get past San Antonio.

by hcblankscreen on Aug 27, 2010 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

plus they were #1 in the league

but had a losing record against the West playoff teams and their schedule after the all-star break was much tougher than the before it

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 28, 2010 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree - it was about beating the Spurs, but not about Playoff BB

The problem was that, on whole the B.B.I.Q for the team was “challenged” at best. Coach Mike did an awesome job while he was here; unfortunately it was only a regular season Tarzan but a Playoffs Jane. Every year the playoffs become a: nasty, physical, hard fouling slugfest and the 7SOL Suns could only get so far. I hate the style of playoff basketball with a passion, love the playoffs mind you. Kerr was finally about to change the culture here on Planet Orange with the acquisition/migration to players with the smarts and savvy geared for the playoffs (most anyway). For as much excitement and entertainment that the 7SOL provided there just wasn’t enough nastiness to make it to the finals. Thanks for reading my opinion/take/rant.

by saint13 on Aug 27, 2010 3:04 PM MDT reply actions  

Remember when we looked like we had a shot at acquiring KG?

We were pushing for Marion to be traded but he wouldn’t allow it and the T-Wolves wanted Amar’e. I wonder how things would’ve turned out if we traded Amar’e for KG.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Aug 27, 2010 5:02 PM MDT reply actions  

Not necessarily great, because if Shawn Marion’s disgruntlement wasn’t entirely about Amare Stoudemire, then Amare Stoudemire leaving might not have solved everything. What if Marion didn’t like Garnett either?

by 8472species on Aug 27, 2010 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Marion vetoed that trade.

He had a no trade clause and didn’t want to go to Boston. I don’t blame him as far as doing what’s best for himself, but I really think he screwed the Suns out of a title or few. Which may have been a factor in his decision too.

by NSU Stud on Aug 27, 2010 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think it would've made a big difference

Because Marion’s problems never really showed up on the court.

I think if we’d traded KG for Amar’e things might have worked out better for us. I always wanted to see a lineup of Nash, Bell, Marion, Diaw and Garnett closing out a game.

by hcblankscreen on Aug 28, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Steve Kerr

The refusal to raise his pay might have been the immediate catalyst for Steve Kerr to leave, but without any insider knowledge, I suspect that Kerr wanted to go home to San Diego, and the refused raise simply gave him an excuse. Remember how the last one (or was it two?) training camps were in San Diego? I always assumed that was to please Kerr.

by 8472species on Aug 27, 2010 6:16 PM MDT reply actions  

Oh. I thought he was from Tucson.

by 8472species on Aug 28, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

he is

but he lives in SD most of the time, except for coming in for games during the season….at least thats what I have heard from a reputable source

by styks on Aug 28, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

D'antoni was OK. Kerr was great

As you said in the post. D’Antoni was not cut out to be a GM.
He had a system and he needed the players to make the system work. He just went ahead and got the players he thought he needed and let the drafts go to the dogs. that was his style (On Hindsight, I do feel he took the EASY way out, rather than face the problems and improve things)

Kerr’s tenure is marred by the Shaq trade. But, I would call it a rookie mistake on his part. There was a need to get bigger and defend better. He felt that Shaq fit that bill and let’s not forget the great year Amare had playing alongside Shaq. That is one of the reasons we drafted ROLO. To have a true BIG C playing along side Amare. So that he may play to his complete Potential. After that, there is not a single trade I would call unreasonable, including the Kurt for muffins from Seattle trade.(Pressure from the boss to reduce pay-roll)

Sarver has actually worked out as a pretty NICE GM this off-season. Looking at what he got back for Amare/Barbosa. (Turk / Childress / Warrick)
But, let’s not give him any ideas and I hope HE does not read this Post.

by SS21 on Aug 28, 2010 4:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Those were all Babby making the deals

Babby “used to” represent all 3 of those players.

by jc79 on Aug 30, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Babby didn't sign with the Suns until the Childress/Warrick deals were done.

Turk was represented by Babby’s old firm, but not Babby. Childress had already left Babby a year before. Babby was very careful to make sure everything was done right, and that there was no conflict of interest.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Aug 30, 2010 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

D'Antoni & Kerr...

D’Antoni’s brief stint as GM was really terrible. Bad, bad free agent signings — Jumaine Jones? Eric Piatkowski? Sean Marks? Marcus-FREAKIN’-Banks?! — and a bunch of sold draft picks are all he has to show for himself. Other than that, he should have just kept his “Coach” hat on and left that “GM” hat on the shelf.

As for Kerr? He is the most underrated, over-scrutinized GM the Suns have ever had in my opinion. When you think about it, the only truly bad move he made was hiring Terry Porter, which actually proved to be a blessing in disguise because Porter’s failure led to the hiring of Alvin Gentry. The trade for Shaq had to be done. It wasn’t a bad idea at first and I truly believe that ‘08 team was poised to make noise before Duncan hit that miracle 3-ball.
Other than Porter, all of Kerr’s moves have turned out great: turning malcontents into J-Rich/Dudley, resigning Hill and Nash, solid (not “sold”) draft picks, NOT trading Amar’e, and good free agent signings (G-Hill, Lou, and I still like Matt Barnes.) So when you reflect on the wildly successful 09-10 season, you have to remember one thing: the moves that got the Suns to that point, the ones that gave the Suns their coach, their bench, their chemistry, and their future (Dragic/Lopez), were all done through Kerr’s decisions. If anything, I’m disappointed that they couldn’t reach an agreement to bring him back because I think he was on to something. No more hating on Steve Kerr, folks. He gave us the Suns as we knew them in 09-10.

All this being said, I am impressed by the moves they’ve made in the wake of his departure and look forward to seeing how the new players and front office do this coming season.

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by N-Temp on Aug 28, 2010 1:33 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Not hating, but I don't think Kerr had much to do with the draft picks - that seems to be something

that we have lower level specialists for – and I think it’s something we expanded this year. The other guys you mentioned (with the exception of Banks) did their jobs, as did D’Antoni – he put a winning team on the floor. I wouldn’t hire Mike again, but I think Kerr will be a GM again, and since he is a part owner of the Suns, I think it would be a conflict of interest for him to be a GM of another team, so that could be interesting.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Aug 28, 2010 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

the scouts may have found the guys

but the GM is the one that picks the gems out of the all the scouts picks (or the duds). Kerr did a good job picking the gems.

Not as much a fan of Kerrs ability to swing favorable trades, though (Jrich/Duds for Diaw/Bell notwithstanding)

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 28, 2010 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

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