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Carmelo Anthony in Sun’s uniform


According to several sources “Carmelo Anthony is now suggesting that he will test the waters of free agency next summer”.

 

What does this mean? From my point of view is the opportunity to sign an All Star player in order to rebuild the team around him.

 

For the 2011-2012 season the Suns have committed  46 m$ in 8 players: Nash-Turk-Childress-Frye-Warrick, Dragic-Clark and Lopez; always assuming that both Turk and Childress and Warrick will be with the team at the start of the 2010-2011 season.

 

If the new GM works well and can get rid of Turk, then the Suns may assume the hiring of a real All Star: Carmelo

 

Let's go to make a poll:


Poll
Should the Suns try to sign Carmelo?
YES, he is the best SF in the league behind Lebron
190 votes
NO, at least there are a dozen SF as good as him and cheaper
53 votes
NO, we have Dudley
65 votes

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I'm abstaining from voting.

Because why would the Suns go after something which they can’t attain. Also getting rid of Turk is a pipe dream. If Carmelo is passing on $20+ mil a season then he has bigger things on his mind (rings or bigger market).

The Suns new strategy going forward is to not depend on a Superstar (or their ego) and have a balanced attack. It may be the only strategy possible as the Miami Thrice could be setting a precedent. Humble Kevin Durant and Tim Duncan types come around once a decade.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Aug 4, 2010 2:29 PM MST reply actions  

Why are we already talking about trying to get rid of Turk?

We haven’t even seen a game yet. I see no reason to call getting rid of Turk a “pipe dream.” Give him a chance. Maybe losing him will in fact be a nightmare, to keep consistent with the dream metaphor.

by iwasneveryoung on Aug 4, 2010 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Turk is simply not worth 10-12 mil a season.

and his best seasons are behind him. He was overpaid because of what he did for Orlando in the playoffs, out of necessity from Jameer Nelson being injured. He has peaked, but his salary is at an all time high. The Suns are stuck with him, for better or worse.

That being said I think he will have a good season for the Suns because his style will fit well. His shooting % will go up because he will get wide open looks. It is the back end of the contract that the Suns are getting burnt on.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Aug 4, 2010 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

But...

isn’t the biggest reason we got wide open looks was because of the PR through Amare? He was always double teamed. With him gone, teams wont be afraid to come out on us. Less open shots. Rolo has a lot on his plate now boy!

by Notwell25 on Aug 6, 2010 3:35 AM MST up reply actions  

that doesn't explain 2006 then

the Suns killed it from 3 that season with no low-post presence

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 6, 2010 6:06 AM MST up reply actions  

No low post presence?


That’s Boris posting up three at once – without even spilling his drink.

by waxmonkey on Aug 6, 2010 10:02 AM MST up reply actions  

I was wonder if he might have mistook them for something edible...?

He really has some previously unforseen gusto…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Aug 6, 2010 1:32 PM MST up reply actions  

ROFL

The hottest girl in that bunch is the one with the broken arm. I’m sure Boris found her laying on the street, not being able to flap her wings. He’s nursing her back to health.

The Phoenix Suns...Where making average players look elite happens.

by TheRza82 on Aug 7, 2010 6:16 PM MST up reply actions  

True. I stand corrected. Amare did open up a lot of opportunities for us though nevertheless.

by Notwell25 on Aug 6, 2010 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Too early...

to say that for sure.

Turkoglu WAS worth more than $10mil a season on Orlando.

Turkoglu WAS NOT worth $10mil a year last season in Toronto.

If most of us would agree on the above, then I think it is only fair to wait and see how he responds to playing in Phx. Our system is much more Turk-friendly than Toronto’s, and suits his game even better than Orlando’s.

Turkoglu can create mega-mismatches for us in our system, in the same way that Frye did for us last season…and more. Turkoglu is an ultimate “do-it-all” type of player who we can use in many ways.

Do I wish we signed him for less? Sure…But that wasn’t possible. Add to that the fact that we traded away Barbosa’s $7mil contract that was basically a waste in our new system, effectively only adding around $3mil a season for Turkoglu who will not only start, but could possibly provide us with double-digit scoring and respectable assist and rebounding averages as well.

I think it was a good deal, and we will see if the gamble pays off this season.

by 7footer on Aug 7, 2010 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I still think of Turk

as the replacement for Barbosa. They were traded for each other, and Turk makes only 3 mil more than Barbosa.

Both can create their own shots, both are good balhandlers. And both are terrible rebounders and below-average defenders.

Yet Turk is 6’10", and is a great passer, so you get huge mismatches playing him on the front line or in the back court, and he can’t be any worse defensively than Barbosa. You say ‘but Turk can’t guard PFs and that will kill us’, yet LB had to guard SGs for 30 mins a game from 2005-2008 who also ‘killed’ us and we somehow survived that with respectable defense (ranked 13-17 in defensive efficiency during that span).

Even 2 yrs from now, or next season if he’s a flop as a big-minute player, I can see Turk coming in with the second unit and providing a spark.

Having Childress as a true swingman who can score efficiently and defend well and rebound well – that’s a huge bonus.

So, Childress + Turk > LB.

I still don’t think we’ve actually replaced Amare with either of those guys, though the current rotation will absorb Amare’s minutes. There are no more minutes with this current lineup to play an Amare replacement even if he’s added, unless we subtract a core player in the same transaction.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 8, 2010 7:13 AM MST up reply actions  

There's a nice article on Valley of the Sun about Turk playing defense on PF's.

Here’s the linky.
   It basically breaks down the defense he has played on big guys in the past, and posits that he may not be as bad as people think.

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by haremoor on Aug 8, 2010 2:01 PM MST up reply actions  

thanks for the link. pretty good stuff.

Banzai!

by Suns' Sensei on Aug 8, 2010 8:50 PM MST up reply actions  

wait, Turk hasn't even played a game for us yet and we want to dump him for cap space?

And the way i see it 4 of our starting spots are secured for the forseeable future:
PG-Nash/Dragic
SG- Childress
SF-Turk/Clark/Dudley
PF-Warrick
C- Lopez/Frye

All those players have contracts lasting at least two years with Childress/Dragic/Lopez/Clark/Frye/Warrick/Turk/dudley having 4/5 year deals or will be restricted Free Agents when they hit the open market. The only one of those guys who doesn’t stand out as deserving of a starting spot is warrick so if we’re targeting anyone in Free agency we should be looking at all-star level Power forwards coming onto the open market soon rather than Small Forwards where we’re pretty stacked, no matter how good the player is.

by DaveJD on Aug 4, 2010 2:48 PM MST reply actions  

Warrick is going to shock the world this year...

He’s ninety cents to Amar’e’s dollar, but he works hard and it a team player. Plus, the starting line up of Nash, JRich, Turk, Warrick, and Lopez is the best team they can put on a court at one time. Don’t lose faith before the season starts on any of these guys.

by NickyPinks on Aug 4, 2010 3:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Haha
wait, Turk hasn’t even played a game for us yet and we want to dump him for cap space?

Welcome to BSotS, my man.

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by N-Temp on Aug 5, 2010 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

No thanks on Carmelo

Honestly I don’t think it even warrants discussion.
The guy has been overhyped since before he was drafted. He scores a lot of points but doesn’t do much else. His price tag and ego will sink whatever team he goes to. Just say no.

"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen

by RMason on Aug 4, 2010 3:10 PM MST reply actions  

Actually, he's not really a pure scorer

But he’s developed some good defense over time.
His overall game slightly beats KD’s for second best small-forward (LBJ being #1, obviously) because he can finish at the rim.
But, I agree with you in the sense that his price tag will be crippling and his attitude (punch & run) is not the greatest.
I’ll pass this time around.

by ajotanelsona on Aug 4, 2010 3:33 PM MST up reply actions  

you mean overhyped because he led his team to the national championship?

or because he was named Most Outstanding Player of the tournament?

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 4, 2010 5:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, Sarver did say he was collecting assets

with a plan to convert them into the next franchise player when that becomes available.

but I’m not convinced that Anthony really is that player. he’s healthier than Amare, but is otherwise a smaller version (awesome on offense, indifferent on defense).

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 4, 2010 3:35 PM MST reply actions  

+1 on the Amare comparision.

I was thinking the same thing but couldn’t decide on how to articulate it.
Lots and lots of scoring, very little intangibles, can play D when he wants to but usually doesn’t want to.

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by RMason on Aug 4, 2010 3:41 PM MST up reply actions  

I disagree...

he’s a smaller player that guards wing players not a 4 that needs to guard the paint…he’s the right size for a 3 and is quicker and younger than Turk. We do need a 4 that can bang, but using Anthony in that comparison is not apple to apple, more like apple to cantalope…

by NickyPinks on Aug 4, 2010 3:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not comparing them in terms of position on the floor

Rather, I’m comparing them in terms of being the team’s superstar

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 4, 2010 4:09 PM MST up reply actions  

By that logic...

if Amare’s knees didn’t scare the team so much, he would have gotten his 5 years, 100 million guaranteed. Melo has no such health issue, and is a better, more rounded player (better scoring, better assists, better defense at his position IMO)

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 4, 2010 5:12 PM MST up reply actions  

not sure Carmelo is a better overall player

and he plays a position that is more-easily filled

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 4, 2010 6:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Melo vs STAT would be a good debate and maybe too close to call.

In general, I don’t think you can easily fill any position that scores 25-30ppg, SF or otherwise. Interesting question: if Amare and Melo were both signed to the same max money and years (let’s say 5 years, 100 million), and PHX still had Amare, would you trade him straight up for Melo? I would because Amare is 2 years older and has bigger concerns, longevity-wise. It’d be a close call but I would.

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 4, 2010 9:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Melo has a much more rounded offensive game than STAT

he’s one of the best post scorers in the game (probable top 3 with kobe and al jefferson), great shooter and slasher and he’s nearly as athletic as amar’e. Compared to stat who relies more on athleticism and face-up moves to get his points.

by DaveJD on Aug 5, 2010 4:14 AM MST up reply actions  

i been talking to my buddies about this for atleast 2 weeks now i would love to have him in a suns jersey if you got a problem with melo you got a problem with yourself! with all these players we’re attaining we should be able to make some moves next year and with the cba looming contracts should be coming down although i completely expect him to head to ny with amare. its still nice to dream..it would be nice to get an elite player in his prime reppin the purple and orange not since barkley have we been able to pull that off its about time…

And Thats Real!!

by MrSunsRealDeal on Aug 4, 2010 4:26 PM MST reply actions  

Yes.

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 4, 2010 4:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Understood...

but I still don’t think they’re the same player, just different sizes. That’s why their position on the court does affect your statement. Melo is a great asset, scorer, and he boards for a 3. Amar’e can score and…..whine….and score…and whine….then quits.

Let’s disagree to agree on this one!!!

by NickyPinks on Aug 4, 2010 4:35 PM MST reply actions  

I'd rather have Prince instead of Carmelo

They’re both expiring next year and Prince wouldn’t cost us 20+ mil. Carmelo is great but not the type of superstar this team needs.

sex is like math: you add the bed, subtract the clothes, divide the legs and pray you dont multiply!

by Spit_Fire on Aug 4, 2010 4:36 PM MST reply actions  

-1

Prince over Melo is like wanting Mrs. Howell over Ginger or Mary Ann.

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 4, 2010 4:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not stating that Prince is the superstar we need or he's better than Melo

But rather Prince would replace what Grant’s brings to this team. Professionalism, leadership and great defense.

sex is like math: you add the bed, subtract the clothes, divide the legs and pray you dont multiply!

by Spit_Fire on Aug 4, 2010 5:04 PM MST up reply actions  

+1,000,000

Your point is a simple +1…your comparison is +999,999 and possibly more.

RIP Seasons of Discontent

by Scott Howard on Aug 4, 2010 5:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Well if Ginger or Mary Ann were total bitches

who complained and nagged all the time, and maybe let you bang them once every birthday (I’d compare that to the hassle of a $20m contract with the possible bad attitude of Melo) and if Mrs. Howell was nice all the time, baked you cookies, read you stories as you fell asleep every night (easy to please, does all the little things like Tayshaun), I’d say that comparison works. Sure, she’s not the sexy superstar you may want, but she comes at a much cheaper price, and therefore probably makes you happier.

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by round_mound_of_rebound on Aug 4, 2010 9:40 PM MST up reply actions  

you can screw the 60 year-old all you want

but she still costs an insane 10.3 million this year. While putting up completely average SF stats.

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 4, 2010 9:51 PM MST up reply actions  

That average stats you're referring to helped their team win their championship

The stat-filler SF you like didn’t even made it past the Jazz last playoffs, complained when their coach pulls him out of a game and is way more immature compared to Amare.

sex is like math: you add the bed, subtract the clothes, divide the legs and pray you dont multiply!

by Spit_Fire on Aug 4, 2010 10:12 PM MST up reply actions  

so his ring from 2003 proves he's a better value today?

and you say “stat-filler” as if that’s a bad thing.

And let’s get our reasons straight for losing to the Jazz. They couldn’t beat the Jazz because that was a really good team, and Deron Williams went ape shit crazy awesome in that series (a bit more Billups’ fault than Melo’s there). They also had to start Johan Petro instead of the injured Nene in the deciding game, and it was a massive coaching mismatch—Jerry Sloan vs Adrian Dantley subbing for cancer-stricken George Karl—for the entire series.

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 4, 2010 10:46 PM MST up reply actions  

His ring and intangibles would fit this team better than Melo's

Better value today? For this team, yes. With regards to the Nuggets/Jazz series, for a guy who takes at least 20 shots in the game, he should have pushed the series to 7. I agree with the Sloan and Dantley mismatch. I forgot about that.☺

sex is like math: you add the bed, subtract the clothes, divide the legs and pray you dont multiply!

by Spit_Fire on Aug 4, 2010 11:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Al Horford

instead of melo. we need PF. he can play PF/C

by Christian_33 on Aug 4, 2010 4:42 PM MST reply actions  

Great idea but almost impossible to do

sex is like math: you add the bed, subtract the clothes, divide the legs and pray you dont multiply!

by Spit_Fire on Aug 4, 2010 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Yea he's an RFA

But you’d assume ATL will match anything and might not even let him get that far.

RIP Seasons of Discontent

by Scott Howard on Aug 4, 2010 5:15 PM MST up reply actions  

hey =) Nuggets fan here

hate to ruin your prade guys but Melo has not said that he will opt out and become a FA, like Woody Paige said today on around the horn, Melo is in Costa Rica he hasnt even talked to the media, so this all fake and just to make us (Nuggets fans) worry about losing him

by the nuggets fan on Aug 4, 2010 5:35 PM MST reply actions  

Thanks for the tip.

by 8472species on Aug 4, 2010 5:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I hope so. We don’t need events planned by people who can’t pronounce “parade.” (Not you, whoever said ‘prade.’)

by 8472species on Aug 4, 2010 5:43 PM MST up reply actions  

its not a parade

looks to be 50/50, if there was a vote amongst commenters.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 4, 2010 6:53 PM MST up reply actions  

A free agent Carmelo Anthony is not coming to Phoenix.

Like Lebron, Bosh and Wade, he will decide what team he wants to go to from the ones that have the money, because any who can afford him will take him.

I see no way that he picks Phoenix. Right now, all we have to offer him (in a five-six year deal) is new players who perform above average. No long term Nash or Grant, and no Amare and probably no Richardson at all. Whether or not it’s true, conventional wisdom is that the Suns are in for a rebuild over the next three to five years. He will not choose to sign on for that.

The only way this would happen is:

if Goran and Lopez become (literally) first team All-Stars next year and we have a stronger showing than last year so he thinks we’re a perennial contender if he were to join

or

he has some sort of personal attachment to Phoenix that is stronger than his desire to win championships and be a rock star in a big city.

by waxmonkey on Aug 4, 2010 5:39 PM MST reply actions  

I don't agree that this Suns team isn't a championship contender

with a superstar added to the team, without having to give up the rest of the team to get him.

Plus, if Boozer went to Chicago, and Amare went to NY, and Joe Johnson went to ATL… where does it say that the Suns are worse than those teams when those players signed with them.

I don’t get this at all.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 4, 2010 6:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Perhaps I wasn't clear.

I didn’t say that we aren’t a championship contender.

I said:
“Whether or not it’s true, conventional wisdom is that the Suns are in for a rebuild over the next three to five years. He will not choose to sign on for that.”

Whether or not we Bright Siders agree with the conventional wisdom is irrelevant to the argument. What Carmello Anthony believes is what matters.

Along with a large portion of the league, “experts” and NBA fans, Anthony probably expects that the Suns are not going to be a perennial contender for the next five years. Not a playoff team – a true contender.

Since Anthony can get max money several places, it’s going to come down to his preference. He will decide based on either personal reasons, or based where he thinks that he has the best chance to win à la Lebron James.

My argument is that:

1) Anthony does not think that the Suns are a team likely to win the championship over the next five years with his help

2) Anthony does not have any personal attachment to Phoenix

and therefore will not choose to sign a five or six year deal with Phoenix if it is an option next summer.

Now, I’d think that if we do well enough this year, he might believe by next summer and consider Phoenix. But looking at recent history, I’m afraid it might take something truly spectacular to get people to admit that the Suns are the real deal.

by waxmonkey on Aug 4, 2010 8:03 PM MST up reply actions  

you were clear - I just don't agree with you in this instance

I personally have no idea what Carmelo is actually thinking.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 4, 2010 9:08 PM MST up reply actions  

i should clarify my position though

I don’t think Carmelo would come here, and I also don’t think he’s a superstar.

I just think that the Suns could add 1 superstar (the right one) or even a lesser perfect-fit all-star and win a championship. so I’m arguing your concept, not Carmelo.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 4, 2010 9:17 PM MST up reply actions  

My concept has nothing to do with whether or not the Suns could add one superstar or an all-star and win a championship.

My concept is that Carmelo probably thinks we can’t, and therefore won’t sign here.

I think we can, like you, and never said otherwise.

I have no evidence of what Carmelo thinks of the Suns either, but it’s likely that his views are in line with that of the majority (not us) – that the Suns have a slump in the three to five year future.

Superstar or not, it’s a good bet that he’ll get offered max from everyone who can afford it. And that’s what really matters in this scenario.

by waxmonkey on Aug 4, 2010 10:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Of course Carmelo will get offered the max. But as we’ve seen with this year’s free agency, the players who deserve max contracts ended up signing deals that didn’t give them the maximum amount of money.

LeBron, Wade, and Dirk all took paycuts to allow their team flexibility to try to sign players that can help improve the team to win. They were the only max-deserving players in this free agency IMO.

We don’t know what Carmelo’s thinking but we’ll see how it goes. It also depends whether Nash, Gentry, & Sarver want to chase after Carmelo and have him on the team.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Aug 5, 2010 2:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

Lebron, Wade, Bosh and Dirk all took pay cuts to help their teams sign more talent (chance for a championship) and personal attachments (friends / loyalty respectively).

Championship and/or personal attachment are the two things that we can’t offer Carmelo from his point of view.

I don’t see Carmelo taking a pay cut to sign with a team that offers neither.

They were the only max-deserving players in this free agency IMO.

Damn straight. Johnson’s contract is going to wear on Atlanta like Mr. T’s gold chains.

by waxmonkey on Aug 5, 2010 3:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Definitely.
Damn straight. Johnson’s contract is going to wear on Atlanta like Mr. T’s gold chains.

That’s definitely going to make Atlanta’s situation with matching offers to Al Horford pretty tough. Unless they move Josh Smith or another big contract, they might lose Al Horford to some higher bidder.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Aug 5, 2010 4:07 AM MST up reply actions  

nooooooooo! please don't do it, Suns

:):( This very idea depresses me. I want the Suns to say no to pursuing expensive carpetbagging superstars, but I know I’m on the losing side. All teams get seduced into going after one from time to time. I mean, before they got Steve Nash in 2004, the Suns reportedly had some extremely ridiculous hope of signing Kobe Bryant. Please, “no rock stars,” in Waxmonkey’s words.

Actually, only a few times have the Suns signed or traded for a star who made an absurd salary and didn’t form a bond with Phoenix? (That doesn’t include Charles Barkley, who obviously liked Phoenix and became one of us.) The only player the Suns have had who was clearly like that is Shaquille O’Neal; his being too big for Phoenix is the reason why I feel this way.

But there were a couple of others whom I suspect: Antonio McDyess, who bolted Phoenix to play for a loser, and Jason Kidd. It might have been mostly because he was angry at being traded (an appropriate punishment for slapping his wife), but who can forget that he insulted Phoenix, calling it a “one-horse town”?

by 8472species on Aug 4, 2010 5:51 PM MST reply actions  

This would be very interesting.

As far as Carmelo’s talent is concerned, he might very well be in the discussion for best SF in the league. I always thought LeBron was more overhyped than Melo ever was. Plus he’s shown he can defend. I think playing for Team USA and the addition of Chauncey Billups to the Nuggets lit up a fire under Melo.

Most of you guys either wanted to give Amar’e the max or try to acquire Lee or Dirk this offseason. All those guys are juggernauts on offense but mediocre defenders. I noticed Alex knocked Melo for his defense. Melo’s one of the best pure scorers in the game and has picked up his defense immensely. I very much would like to see Carmelo playing with Steve Nash and the rest of our guys. The chances are slim but anything’s possible.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Aug 4, 2010 7:39 PM MST reply actions  

The 15 people who voted "No, we have Dudley"

are delusional. He’s a good role player, good attitude, good on Twitter. That’s it. I would simply love him as Melo’s backup, but the idea that we would turn away Melo because we have him makes my head hurt.

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 4, 2010 9:44 PM MST reply actions  

the reply button eludes me… see below.

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by round_mound_of_rebound on Aug 4, 2010 9:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd love him as a Sun forever, actually. But not as a starter.

And to clarify, I’m not saying Carmelo Anthony is any sort of franchise savior. I do think he’s worth more than some of the guys (JJ and Amare come to mind) getting max money right now, though. I agree with Laugan above, saying that we could probably get a lesser player but better-fitting all-star for our roster and still win a championship.

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 4, 2010 10:05 PM MST up reply actions  

15 is now 22. Headache almost a migraine now.

Push it to 30 or so and I’ll just have an aneurism and die.

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 4, 2010 11:01 PM MST up reply actions  

You're going to make me do it.

Try…to….resist…..

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by haremoor on Aug 5, 2010 7:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, except for one thing:

It’s Jared Dudley. Jared-frickin-Dudley!

I rest my case.

"Somebody hits me, I'm going to hit him back. Even if it does look like he hasn't eaten in a while." - Sir Charles

by round_mound_of_rebound on Aug 4, 2010 9:50 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

+1

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 5, 2010 11:08 AM MST up reply actions  

How does Dudley's nutsack taste, anyway?

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 4, 2010 9:52 PM MST reply actions  

You're right,

not as good as Melo’s. Not even close. Let’s trade him.

"Somebody hits me, I'm going to hit him back. Even if it does look like he hasn't eaten in a while." - Sir Charles

by round_mound_of_rebound on Aug 4, 2010 9:59 PM MST up reply actions  

But Matt Janning is a solid, high-character, bench player!

don’t you realize that’s gold??

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 4, 2010 10:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually, Young would be a nice PF in a fast-paced offense like PHX

The Sixers started him instead of Brand for a lot of the year. JRich for Thad!!!

Just kidding, site. Just kidding.

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 4, 2010 10:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I know you're kidding

but I’m not sure I’d trade Warrick for Thad Young. I think Warrick brings more than Young could.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 5, 2010 6:38 AM MST up reply actions  

The only way the Phoenix Suns are attaining a top flight Superstar in the near future

Is through the draft. This isn’t the olden days anymore where Superstars want to win for their city as much as themselves. They want to lead the league in jersey sales, they want to start a brand name, they want the bright lights, the night life, the rappers, and the movie stars. They don’t want Phoenix, Arizona. Plus, the NBA is a tight community and I’m not sure guys like Amare, Marion, or Johnson are exactly praising how the front office handles things. We’ll see if Lon Babby can improve that image over time but I doubt he will in time for next year for us to grab Melo.

After Nash leaves I think it may be a while before we have a true superstar in Phoenix. Cherish guys like Duncan, Nash, and Dirk while you can guys since they are a dying breed in this NBA Culture.

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by TheRza82 on Aug 4, 2010 10:51 PM MST reply actions  

That's exactly what Sarver and Babby are on record as saying.*

*exactly the opposite.

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 4, 2010 10:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I believe Alex Laugan made a post about this before he shed his moniker dking97.

Go check the archives. It’s a really good read.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Aug 5, 2010 2:22 AM MST up reply actions  

thanks

yeah, usually the only way you can win a championship is to draft your superstar and keep them there his whole career. Only Detroit and Boston and Miami have beaten those odds in the past 20 years.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 5, 2010 6:40 AM MST up reply actions  

The Lakers didn't draft Shaq.

Just about the biggest free agent move ever.

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 5, 2010 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

sorry, said that off the top of my head before locating and reading the post

you obviously would’ve cited Shaq as an exception. But after seeing Lebron and Bosh do their thing, and considering Paul and Anthony are talking about doing the same, and with Sarver on the record as saying he wants to trade for his superstar, would you still write what you wrote?

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 5, 2010 10:16 AM MST up reply actions  

melo always seems to step up against the lakers in the playoffs not looking at any stats but from every game i remember watching in the playoffs and his d is underated.. plus every franchise has to have a star nash only has a couple years left i wouldnt mind seeing dragic , lopez and melo do some work with a couple other pieces sprinkled into the pot after nash retires… but like i said before its nice to dream

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by MrSunsRealDeal on Aug 4, 2010 10:56 PM MST reply actions  

This poll makes no sense...

And with Suns signing Hedo, we have a starting SF when Grant retires. Dudley is best off the bench.

by Lompe on Aug 5, 2010 8:34 AM MST reply actions  

In less Turk turns out to be a good PF in our system. Than we could go after Carmelo. Just don’t trade Dudley.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 5, 2010 11:10 AM MST up reply actions  

What this does mean is that the Nuggets won’t make the playoffs. They don’t have the mental toughness to deal with Carmelo trade drama at the deadline like we did with Amar’e last year. We responded well, but I don’t think they can.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 5, 2010 11:11 AM MST reply actions  

Lets say we try to get Carmelo at the deadline?

Who could we offer that they would take? J-Rich would most likely have to be included because of his expiring contract. However, It would take at least one or two more pieces to pry Carmelo from them. Warrick, Lawal, Clark, Collins and I hate to say this, but Dudley. I think they would consider trading him for Carmelo, but I hope they don’t. Those are the likely names to come up in a potential deal.

I guarantee that they will listen to offers at the deadline like we did last year with Amar’e. I say we try low balling them like teams did to us. J-Rich and Warrick for Carmelo. Than we go out and use the rest of the TPE to bring in a rebounder to backup Turk at the PF.

The only problem with that trade is that Hill will have to backup Mellow which would mean Dudley would have to spend time at SG. It would only be for a half a season though and than Grant retires.

Now if low balling doesn’t work than we might have to trade J-Rich, Dudley and maybe Lawal or Clark or a draft pick for Anthony. Personally, I don’t think we should do that. I think we should low ball em or try to rip them off. If that doesn’t work than we wait till the off-season.

Alex, I think this is something you should post about. Carmelo has become a realistic option now. I could post it, but don’t feel like it right now. This is your specialty. Just a recommendation.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 5, 2010 11:23 AM MST reply actions  

We should get him, but we won't

I can’t remember the last time we signed a FA Superstar coming off of a great season, Nash wasn’t doing to well in Dallas before we signed him, I guess Penny was the last big signing other than Nash.

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TURRIBLE!

by Jaxis on Aug 5, 2010 2:13 PM MST reply actions  

until this summer

when was the last time ANY team signed (as a FA) someone else’s superstar coming off a great season?

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 5, 2010 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

I learned everything I needed to know about 'Melo

…during that “fight” with the Knicks. Bitch-slap a scrub during garbage time? After the fight is already over? And run away afterwards?

NO THANKS!

by jc79 on Aug 5, 2010 2:54 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

So true.

That was awful.

Give me Raja in a fight.

by waxmonkey on Aug 5, 2010 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

OK, you can have Raja

but I get Ben Wallace, k?

Ah… this site needs smilies.

by jc79 on Aug 5, 2010 5:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Nasty Nate Robinson.

He’s small but he won’t back down from anyone, except maybe Shaq.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Aug 5, 2010 7:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I can't wait for a post like that!

By position:

C: Shaq – obviously
PF: Reggie Evans (dude will grab your balls! Never underestimate a man that’s willing to do that to win)
SF: Artest
SG: Stephen Jackson (Artest’s fighting buddy)
PG: Earl Boykins – He may be tiny, but he’s amazingly fast and can bench 315!

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by round_mound_of_rebound on Aug 5, 2010 8:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I brought this up in post a month ago. Once I saw that he wasn’t going to sign, I knew it was possible.

I would love to trade J. Rich & Earl Clark for him. Knowing the Nuggets, they would probably want more which means Dudley would be a causality in the trade. This would lead to the Suns getting Carmello and Afflalo . I think its a great trade but if we can keep Dudley while getting rid of Rich and Clark, I be fine with it.

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by PHZ-Sicks on Aug 5, 2010 7:26 PM MST reply actions  

true

but we’re probably not resigning j-rich either so we’d prob. loose out on just clark who in my opinion has some potential but i think he has a bad case of the butterfingers i know it could be nerves but in the summer league were he shoulda dominated he looked the same in my opinion.. or we loose out on dudz love the guy but does everybody think we can depend on the kind of season he had last year consistently? worst comes to worst we clear even more salary with melo’s contract off the books and we sign prince who could do exactly what dudz does and another solid player…bout to go look at next years free agents to finish this off!

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by MrSunsRealDeal on Aug 5, 2010 11:06 PM MST up reply actions  

We should low ball them.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 6, 2010 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Stupid!

This is one of the stupidest threads I have seen? Carmelo Anthony? No thanks. I’ll pass. We are building the right way and we need to keep the guys we have. We are going to have a great season. We have all the SF’s we need. We don’t need an overpriced, overrated whiner. Our GM and owner know what they’re doing and most of the fans are friggin clueless. Come on.

I voted the Dudley answer. :)

by BringBackBarkley17 on Aug 7, 2010 11:33 AM MST reply actions  

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