This is just ridiculous
by Mr.ORNG on Sep 2, 2010 11:05 AM MDT
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Have seen this link on nba.com, it ranks the best benches in Basketball
Now,just for fun, guess where our beloved Suns rank: 10
Um...weren't we praised as the best bench in the game when we were in the playoffs?
What is it all about that as soon it's the offseason, everyone seems to forget how good we are and now we're ranking behind the BUCKS!
Keyon Dooling > Dragic?
Mbah a Moute > Dudley?
Aha...
But that's okay I think I loved last season,when I could go to every so-called expert and say "Told you so"
EDIT: Found a new article on Bleacherreport, I think it's a lot better
In fact I have the feeling,Bleacherreport respects the Suns a lot more than nba.com
What do you think?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/449039-top-5-bench-units#page/1
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Wow, that was a bad article.
Putting Mavs on top without even mentioning Beaubois, and thinking Jason Terry still is playing on his highest level. And then even bringing Nuggets and Spurs in front of Suns, even when the Suns’ bench killed Spurs in the playoffs. Ridiculous.
Totally.
I think it’s nice that nba.com gives jobs to the mentally disadvantaged, but even that doesn’t explain the Spurs in front of the Suns. The Spurs, really? George Hill and who, Matt Bonner?
"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic
Ya...
George Hill really came through for the Spurs against us in the playoffs.. What a joke.
Stoudemire to the 10th floor will soon be Nash to the 10th floor!
by SunsFanForever on Sep 2, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
However
I do like the comment at the end which states that the Mavs bench could be the T-Wolves starting five. That actually may be true for many teams, especially including the Suns.
Stoudemire to the 10th floor will soon be Nash to the 10th floor!
by SunsFanForever on Sep 2, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
actually, the Spurs bench plays more minutes
than any other bench in the game. So when a writer looks at per-game stats, their bench looks really really good.
having said that, I’d rather have our bench over any bench in the league.
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Is that counting Manu as a starter or a 6th man?
Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.
Article doesn't really make sense
He’s looking more at the players, not which unit plays best together or which unit is actually a bench. The Mavs, Spurs and Lakers all have All-Stars that come off the bench, but they’re not exactly bench players since they play starters minutes and finish games.
There’s only one team on that list whose bench actually had a lasting impact in the playoffs, and it wasn’t that Shrek and Donkey bullshit.
I think you're reading this different from how he wrote it...
He’s evaluating the individuals that come off the bench, not the bench as a whole product.
He references certain stats, like scoring and rebounding, but what makes the Suns bench dominant is the chemistry and cohesiveness. This guy has some good points, but I agree he should’ve looked at the bigger picture. Note that most teams don’t go 5 deep (like the Suns) into their bench. Most have 3, maybe 4, guys that pop in for spot-duty and situational match-ups.
Also, I think he reeeeealllllllyyyyyyy stretched his evaluation of the Bucks bench.They were good defensively, but really didn’t stand out all that much anywhere else.
Any the only reason the Mavs and Lakers benches are good is because they shell out shit-tons of cash.
I don’t know. Replace the bucks bench with our bench and they’d get even more praise. It’s just because were the Suns. It’s all about the name you fall under. There is just too much bias. We were the biggest sleeper last year, they even had the Bobcats over us. Yet, everybody forgets that we were. As soon as we win the Championship all this nay-saying crap and misconceptions about the Suns will stop.
Don't trade Dudley!
What bench is greater than Dragic, Frye and Dudley? Sorry, but the playoffs is where it is at and everyone of these guys stepped up and had at least one huge game. Funny thing is that it was only their first playoffs. Dragic is the best backup PG in the league. Dudley is the best bench player in the entire league. When Frye is being Channing were practically unstoppable. He’s even improving his defense and rebounding.
Don't trade Dudley!
Dudley the best bench player in the league?
i don’t know about that, if we’re looking at guys who came off the bench last year i’d say maybe Kevin Love, Lamar Odom, Jamal crawford (he threw up 18 and 5 off the bench last year), and others rank above dudley.
Dudley is a game-changer.
I didn’t watch Atlanta much, but I can say that Dudley’s contributions don’t always show up in the stat line. When he came in and played ferocious defense on the second team (along with Lou, Frye, and Dragic) it made our first teams defense better. So I don’t know if you can say that he’s the best, from a statistical standpoint, but I can’t think of another player that would have made more difference to our team.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
I’d still take Dudley over Crawford and Odom. Yet I could have sworn Love was a starter.
Don't trade Dudley!
Dudley is one of the best pure bench players in the league.
Guys like Odom, Love, and Crawford are starter-quality players. If Dudley is starting for you, you’re probably not a very good team. But he is the best in the league at what he does. He brings boundless energy, aggressive defense, and knock-down shooting – exactly what you need from your bench.
Dragic is the best backup PG in the league. Dudley is the best bench player in the entire league.
sorry man i love dragic and dudley but neither of those statements are true.
remember that steve blake is coming off the bench for the lakers now.
and there are many bench players better than dudley. jr smith, jj redick. and if he starts this year it will be vince carter. anderson verijao too
Varejao? Really?
People are talking about Stoudemire without Nash, but Varejao without LeBron will hurt. Sure, he’ll grab some boards, but with Mo Williams running the show, I expect all Varejao’s points to come from put backs.
Neither Redick and Smith make the impact that Dudley has. I’d take Dudley over all of those guys. Anderson is really starter material. Same with Manu and Odom. I don’t consider those guys bench players. Dudley is truly a bench player and the best one I’ve seen at it in a while. Nocioni was on par with Dudley, perhaps better, but not anymore. Terry is really a starter.
You make a good point about Blake, but Dragic has more potential. I’d take him over Blake too.
Don't trade Dudley!
I’m still confused at why you said JR Smith and Redick. They are poor examples. Dudley does everything Redick does and more and better. JR Smith can get really hot and score a lot of points, but when he’s not doing that he’s useless. It’s not all about putting up stats. It’s about how vial you are to the team and the impact you have. Our best lineup in the playoffs last season included Dudley.
Don't trade Dudley!
Dudley isn't the best bench guy in the league that's clear
But could Blake put up 23 points in 1 quarter? ;)
Think about it
Unleash the Dragic!
Name 5 players who are better that have never started in their career. This means, no Odom, Ginobli, Gordon, Terry… When I think of those guys I think of starters not bench players.
Don't trade Dudley!
Dudley started for Charlotte before ;D
Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.
Doesn’t make him starter caliber. He’s better off the bench. Dudley isn’t a starter, but a true bench player. One thing you will find about Odom, Gordon and Terry is that they were the starters for certain teams for multiple seasons. They only went to their bench because their bench sucked. They aren’t true bench players.
Don't trade Dudley!
so basically we have the best "true’ bench because we don’t have anyone good enough to start?? :)
Banzai!
I didn’t say anything like that. I said that guys like Odom and Terry got put on the bench because their bench needed a lift. If their bench was good enough they wouldn’t of needed to do that. You don’t see Alvin putting J-Rich on the bench because they need a lift. He put Frye on the bench, but that was because the starting lineup needed a lift. Lopez did better as a starter and Frye better as a bench player.
Don't trade Dudley!
We have the best bench because we have the best bench unit.
The spectacle of Nash, Amar’e, Lopez, Hill, and JRich cheering on the sideline while the second team carved up the Spurs starters – I wouldn’t trade that for anything.
If we had guys ‘good enough’ to start, they would start. If we went $20 mil into the luxury tax (ala Lakers) we could have true starters sitting on our bench – but how efficient is that? Any one of those guys are good enough to start, and have – as they should be, in case of injury. I think all of them could find starting positions throughout the league – but ther is no shame in being the backups to an elite starting team.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
I like our bench a lot. And I’m not saying our bench isn’t the best in the league. Maybe it is, I don’t know. The point I’m trying to make is, that you can’t call our bench the best in the league by disqualifying the best players on other benches.
Banzai!
I consider Dudley the best pure bench player. If you want to go best bench player overall, Manu and others would be ahead of him. When it comes to pure bench players though I think we have the best one. Dudley a lone though doesn’t mean we have the best bench. Dragic, Dudley, Frye… together makes the best bench.
Don't trade Dudley!
Dragic, Dudley, Frye, Childress, Warrick and possible contributions by Lawal, Clark, and Jones are what makes us so good.
There are plenty of three-man benches that are better than ours, but our entire unit playing together is as strong as they come.
The national media understands nothing outside of the Lakers, Celtics, and the Heat.
Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.
Dudley is the best true bench player I’ve seen in a long time and the best right now. For a time, Barbosa, Horry and Nocioni were guys that held that position. They weren’t your typical, “starter coming off the bench” type of players. They were truly better off the bench and made huge impacts for their team when they came off the bench.
Don't trade Dudley!
He has a lot of the right teams, but the order and explanation were pretty terrible.
This seems like a guy who had a deadline and just sat down and wrote something. Not a lot of homework or thought put into it.
The Suns have a combination of depth, talent, and chemistry that no one else in the league has. We all know who they are and what they do, so no reason to break them down here.
The Mavericks have a ton of talent and big names, but there are a lot of question marks. Chandler is seriously injury-prone, Terry is getting older and less efficient, and they don’t really have a back-up PF. They also have a lot of roster-fillers: Stevenson, Ajinca, and Mahinmi.
The Bucks probably have the deepest team in the league. Assuming Gooden and Maggette are starting, Boykins, Dooling, CDR, Redd (maybe), Delfino, Mbah a Moute, Ilyasova, Brockman, and the rookies Sanders, Gallon, and Hobson can all play. They probably have the most balanced roster top toi bottom. But there are a lot of new pieces and we don’t know how it will come together.
The Spurs have a repectable bench, but they’re not even close to #2. Hill and Blair are terrific young players, and McDyess is decent, but that’s about it unless the rookie James Anderson makes a significant contribution. The rest of the roster is made up of d-leaguers and undrafted guys: Gee, Temple, Jerrels, and Neal plus Bonner. (I counted Splitter as a starter)
The Trail Blazers have a tremenndous bench. Bayless, Matthews, Camby, and Przybilla are quality players. Cunningham and Pendergraph are solid youngsters who can step in ig called upon. They also have 3 rookies who can help on the perimeter in Babbitt, Williams, and Johnson. These guys all play well together and play hard. Nico Batum is undoubtedly starting, and Fernandez will not be a contributing member on this team.
Denver shouldn’t be on this list. Ty Lawson is an exciting young PG. J.R. Smith is probably the most inconsistent player in the league. He’ll win you one game and then lose you the next couple. Anderson is kind of a bigger version of Lou. After that there’s practicall nothing, especially considering Harrington will start a good portion of the season while Martin is recovering. Malik Allen, Renaldo Balkman, and Shelden Williams are basically the rest of the roster, and he thinks thats a top 5 bench?
The Magic again have a great bench. They go 3 deep at PG with Duhon and Williams supporting Nelson. J.J. Redick is a quality back-up 2. Listing both Q-Rich and Pietrus as bench player is stupid because one of them (likely Q) will start. Pietrus is a talented guy, but he’s also inconsistent. Anderson is a good shooter, but he didn’t show up all year long last season. Bass is a good energy big who can get you some points, but he’s severely underused in Stab Van Gundy’s system. Gortat is a solid big who can give you defense and rebounding. The rookies Orton and Robinson likely won’t contribute much.
The Rockets have a solid bench and are very deep, but I don’t see how thy’re ‘without question’ the deepest. ORL, MIL, and even PHX might have somehting to say about that. Kyle Lowry is a very good banch PG. Courtney Lee has talent if he can bounce back from his sophomore slump. Chase Budinger was a nice surprise as a rookie. Patrick Patterson was a high draft pick and might be able to contribute right away. Hayes is a solid defensive (little) big. Brad Miller is a veteran whi still has some offensive talent. Jared Jeffires is a nice utility player. The Arizona product Hill has a ton of potential but hasn’t quite gotten it yet (sounds like another 2nd year big we all know). Then they get down to no-name players: Jermaine Taylor, Mike Harris, and Alexander Johnson. That’s about 13 deep, which PHX, MIL, and ORL can all claim as well.
The Celtics have assembled a pretty good bench with dpeth in the frontcourt especially.
Nate is a sparkplug, Von Wafer can light it up at times, and Daniels is a solid all-around player. They have 2 rookies who might be able to contribute at some point in Avery Bradley and Luke Harangody. They have the 2 O’neals and Davis in the frontcourt. JO will start for half the season if not more while perkins recovers. That means he’s not a bench player for much of the season. And when he does go back, I’m not sure how the chemistry will work out with 1 of those guys becoming a 3rd-stringer. Delonte West has nice upside, but can’t be counted on.
The Lakers actually have some depth this year, which isn’t a good thing for the rest of the league. Steve Blake is an upgrade over Farmar in the Lakers’ system. Shannon Brown is an electrifying, yet inconsistent scorer. Matt Barnes is a tough player who will fit in well. Odom is incredibly talented yet incredibly inconsistent. Theo Ratliff is a decent player but won’t play much until Bynum gets hurt. Luke Walton is irrelevant and I don’t think the rookies will have much impact this year.
There’s a breakdown of all the teams on that list. I actually looked at rosters and put some thought into it. Feel free to rank them yourselves.
They are just lucky...
we most likely won’t have Lou again this year! If you were to add Lou to the mix… They just don’t give chemistry and desire a scond thought. Oh well, see ya next June!
Just an interesting tidbit to add,
The poll on the front page of nba.com right now asks what team has the best bench in the league, and the Suns are winning.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
yeah, they are winning,
and the experts look like what?haha
by Christian_33 on Sep 3, 2010 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions
No,the experts are like:
They’re wrong we’re the experts we know better,just look at last seas…oops
Unleash the Dragic!
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