Phoenix Suns Daily Poll: Suns in International Play
Reading Alex Laugan's copious FIBA report and subsequent reader comments got me cringing, er thinking. How do we feel about our Phoenix Sun players playing in international play?
I for one do not like it.
I get the whole nationalist appeal to a foreign player playing in America, and I believe it's good experience for some young players. But the NBA season and post-season is long enough. The grind is difficult enough even on a young body like Dragic's. Add in the FIBA games, and, well, I just don't like it.
I'm sure we could get into the numbers, the amount of minutes a player could play in these games, and the odds against injury of an already healthy player are probably fairly low. But I don't care. There's always a chance of a freak injury (knock on wood), and as I noted, the added miles on a pivotal player like Dragic, Turk, or Lopez are unnecessary.
I am very pleased Lopez didn't play for U.S.A. Obviously.
But if either Dragic or Turk suffered a serious injury, or even smaller lingering injury that would affect their NBA season, the Suns would be in some trouble.
This discussion brings us back to the subject of the Olympic/World Championship debate. While the rest of the world puts their best out there in sports, the U.S.A. once put out only amateurs. No one enjoyed losing, especially when the American best were sitting at home.
So if the American Pro Leagues (such as NBA, MLB) are together concerned enough about the health of their "investments," couldn't they in theory disallow participation in such events contractually? I supposed that could be another potential deal breaker in signing a player. Or, in some cases it may not matter at all.
If franchises or leagues together decided to limit their players involvement in international play, obviously American performance in such events could suffer. On the other hand, these events could give professional franchises another means to rate amateur athletes while also providing valuable experience to the youngsters.
Of course, the risk of injury is still out there for amateurs.
I digress, I'm mostly worried about our Suns right now.
What does the BSOTS think?
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IMO, the risk of injury is low
or, at least, not any higher than any other option. Sure, players can get hurt. But they can also get hurt doing myriad other, less natural, things. At least, in FIBA/summer play they are doing something their body is trained to do. Nash, for example, could really get hurt playing footie…
For Dragic, this competition is invaluable. He gets to spend a summer as “the man” and evolve in that role. Last summer, he played an energy/change of pace role for Slovenia in Eurobasket as they finished higher than expected. And then he played that role for the Suns, to everyone’s delight. Now this season, he will know what it’s like to be a key starter (in case that’s needed).
For Turk, I guess its more of a toss-up. We all know what he can do, and he’s not young, so too much summer activity could hurt him. Yet, he needed a refresher after the dismal Toronto season. Now with leading Turkey in the WC, his self-confidence and recent excellent play will bode well for the Suns.
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Good Points
I think Turk is more of a risk in this case due to age and injury history.
It sounds like Dragic isn’t quite the man as Lakovic (sp) is still the PG and leader of the squad. You could look at it in the sense that Dragic gets more off the ball experience. I haven’t seen any of the games, but I’m sure he gets his time in at the point too.
Still, if he goes down, the Suns are in some trouble.
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by Wil Cantrell on Sep 7, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Not significant
But assorted little things here and there that seem to crop up with miles:
groin, wrist, orbital bone fracture, small facial fracture, knee, ankle, hip, etc.
Still averages 75 games/season for his career, but at 31, as a GM or coach I’d like to keep his miles down.
That’s just me though.
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by Wil Cantrell on Sep 7, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
you havent seen any games Wil?
the Slovenians are playing a 2-PG attack with Goran and Lakovic. Goran has more assists per game than Lakovic, who is now primarily a shooter. But he’s only 6 feet tall, so he’s a PG. He is a good ballhandler too, who can share duties with Goran.
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I thought
It was in your article that Lakovic was fading but still the “emotional leader” or something to that effect while Dragic was playing more off the ball. Perhaps it was somewhere else.
Been traveling a bunch of late and haven’t been able to keep track of the games. It’s just you Alex, you’re my only source of FIBA news for now.
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by Wil Cantrell on Sep 7, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
haha well
Lakovic is getting the minutes in the starting lineup because of his pedigree and his ability to hit clutch 3s. After watching a few games, he reminds me more of Derek Fisher (very little other than the occasional dagger 3 and assist) than anything else.
Dragic is also starting and playing a 2-headed PG attack with Lakovic that’s getting better as the tourney drags on, yet its true that Dragic is not the guy handling the ball 80% of the time. More like 50%.
But Dragic is clearly the best player on the team. He leads them in points, assists and a few other categories.
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I think it is good for younger players to get experience and be associated with a winning atmosphere
Dragic is starting and leading a team, valuable experience that he wouldn’t get in phoenix until at least Nash retires. Looking at the Team USA roster, if Lopez had played in the WC he could easily be starting on that team also a valuable experience. I can therefore see the merit of young players taking part in international play but with older players like Turkoglu who aren’t really going to improve their games by competing, i’m not convinced that the risk of injury and extra games on the leags are worth it.
It depends on who is playing
If it was Dragon and Turk then it’s fine. But Robin? Hell no. Sure Robin playing for team USA will benefit him and the Suns but there is no one in the team that can replace the presence Robin has.
In my opinion, we don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks. - Calvin
Let the foreigners play.
As an American, I understand that international play is much more important overseas.
And as an American, I honestly don’t really give a damn about international play. I root against the US, because there is nothing compelling about Team USA and I like underdogs.
But for our foreign players, I get the feeling that international play is on par (or even more important) than their paying jobs here in the states. Even if the Suns could hold them out of it through some contract stipulation, it would likely cause dissent.
Yeah, if it was Lopez I would be pulling my hair out. But Lopez is an American, so the lure of international play is not enough to warrant the risk of injury, especially for a 7-footer with back problems. I mean really, USA is trouncing almost everbody with a team of mostly B and C list players. Why would Robin want to play anyways? The thrill of competition? Yeah, right.
"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic
Why would Robin want to play anyways? The thrill of competition? Yeah, right.
I think he could gain some serious confidence and further hone is game (if he didn’t have a back problem). He is the prototypical case of a guy who shouldn’t be playing (thank the basketball gods)
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by Wil Cantrell on Sep 7, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Good point.
There is no confidence-booster quite like owning some dude from Angola in the paint.
"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic
by RMason on Sep 7, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can't completely disagree with you will
but I am glad to see that turk won’t be showing up to camp fat and outa shape like he did in torronto
"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."
I say meh.
Indifferent was my vote.
They could get hurt playing FIBA… but then again they could get hurt playing scrimmages here at US Airways or whatever summer camp they train at.
I’m just glad they are playing basketball and not getting arrested or something.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
Ah kind of zen view?
So if one of our boys got injured in a FIBA type deal it wouldn’t bother you more than at a Suns practice or game?
It was meant to happen, so it just happened unrelated to Suns work?
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by Wil Cantrell on Sep 7, 2010 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm no zen master, or zen master fan - I hate the lakers
I think any basketball work is Suns work because ultimately that’s where he’s making his money.
Both Goran (ankle) and Barbosa (wrist) hurt themselves last year in International play – that sucked. But by the same token in 08’, it was at Suns training camp that Boris Diaw poked Amare’s eye out… devastating injury – that sucked too.
Injuries always suck but they are part of the job description. I just figure if it was that big of a concern for coaches/gm’s/owners – the league/the players association etc. would have already placed some sort of restrictions (and I think they secretly do – that’s probably why Robin Lopez suddenly decided he would rest or why Amare’s ‘insurance’ issue popped up). So in my book – if they’re not concerned, I’m not concerned.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
so no "zen hoops" in your bookcase?
i knew i liked you, eutz
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pshh
I don’t even wear my gold wedding ring when I pimp the purple collar, I had a white gold replica thrown together just for that reason. F L.A.
Call me anytime you want to egg Vujacic’s Lambo. I keep a carton in the backseat.
:)
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
I think the benefits outweigh the potential risks
Goran and Hedo are working on their games, staying in shape to play competitive basketball and developing self-confidence, all while feeling the pride of playing for their countries. I can see that if a player is recovering from an injury, or has chronic injury problems (hope Robin is the former rather than the latter), then you’d hold him out. But, basketball players play basketball. You can’t keep them in bubble wrap for all but the 82 games plus playoff games your team plays.
Then again, I’m a believer that those who are overly concerned with injury and illness are generally more prone to them. Self-fulfilling prophecy or something. The germophobes I know, the people with the quart jug of hand sanitizer at their desks, are the ones who always have the sniffles. Personally, I vacationed in Cabo during the height of the swine flu panic. I came out of it just fine, except for tequila hangover and sunburn.
Having said all that, it’s only gonna take one major injury to an NBA player, and then everybody will freak out over this topic. Can you imagine if Kevin Durant blew out his knee playing for Team USA this year?
In all honesty, I would feel bad for Durant, but for the Thunder, I would be happy because that just makes things easier for the Suns.
Don't trade Dudley!
I was referring more to the overall impact if that happened
If a team loses its franchise player to injury in international competition, there will be a whole new focus on the question of whether teams would want their players to play in them.
I liked it better when...
we sent our best college players to international competition.
Let’s face it. Almost all these FIBA games involving the US are about as much fun as watching hunters club some baby seals.
While watching what little I have of this so-called “world championship,” tournament, I can’t help but notice that the stands have been nearly empty.
Sorry, rest of world, but the NBA championship is the real world championship.
Ironically, the US loss in the last Olympics where we sent amateurs really helped the Suns. I don’t know for sure, but I suspect they wouldn’t have drafted Dan Majerle as high as they did without his breakout performance on the Olympic team.
I don’t see any particular reason for our players not to play if they aren’t nursing a nagging injury.
If it helps you sharpen your game for the upcoming season, go for it.
Lopez shouldn’t play because he’s still recovering from an injury.
Dragic should play because his country needs him and its fun for these guys to compete in the tournaments. The experience and confidence gained can really help him out for us.
Turk being 31 should probably retire from these international competitions, however, in this case he should play because his country happens to be the host country and that’s a once in a lifetime experience. I bet this will be his last competition.
On the other hand, I have to admit that I would love to see Nash play for Canada right now. I’m very curious to see how far he could take that team. Just imagine what winning a Gold medal in the World’s or Olympics would do for his reputation and career?
Don't trade Dudley!
I think I heard Hedo
was on his last year playing for his country in the summer. He’s admitted it takes a toll if you’re going to the playoffs every year, then immediately to the national team till training camp. He even said this year was easier because he was off from early April to mid July. lol.
but anyway, I think this is the last time he plays for Turkey. And this year was mainly because they were hosting it.
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Depends on the player
If a guy is playing 38 minutes a game in the NBA, deep into the postseason – then he probably ought to abstain from the summer basketball a bit.
If the USA went back to sending College players we would never be the favorite again which may make things more exciting. However, the rest of the world has caught up and it still wouldn’t be fair for USA because that means every player on the team is in their early 20’s where many other teams like Argentina, Brazil, Spain… will have players in their prime age(late 20’s) meaning they will be bigger, stronger and more experienced.
The only way to make things fair is for USA to keep sending “B” teams. In other words, a few all-stars and a bunch of role players from the NBA, so no superstars in less they want to play.
Don't trade Dudley!
I understand it's very honorable for players to represent their countries.
I think young players like Goran and Robin would only benefit from international play. It expands their knowledge of the game. Their defense also improves since that’s a very important aspect of international play. Robin would’ve been a much better piece for Team USA than Tyson Chandler. At least he has some offense that can compliment his defensive skills.
I’m glad this is Turk’s last year playing for his team. He’s on the wrong side of 30 and should definitely not risk getting any injuries. If I had any say in it, I’d probably bar players who are over the age of 33 from playing in FIBA or the Olympics.
Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.
Please don't take this wrong
But 121-66ing an obviously inferior team doesn’t seem all that honorable to me.
If it were up to me, I’d ban all NBA players, including the internationals, from this Mickey Mouse pickup tournament and let the college kids and D-leaguers fight it out with the players from the other countries’ pro leagues.
That would be a fair fight.
by suns68 on Sep 7, 2010 5:38 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
The USA team nearly lost to the Brazillian team.
They’re not always unbeatable. It’s only fair that each country is allowed to pick their best players to represent them in international play.
Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.
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They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

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