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Turk Snuffs Out The Dragon

Hedo after a big shot in the FIBA World Chmapionships

Two Phoenix Suns squared off today, and only one of them left with a smile on his face.

Hedo Turkoglu's squad laid waste to Goran Dragic's little (by comparison) Slovenians this afternoon in the quarterfinals of the FIBA World Championships.

Fran Frascilla - a long-time coach and now international scout/reporter for ESPN - had some very nice things to say about Hedo and his 7-0 Turkey team.

"On the court, Turkoglu is such a great facilitator of (coach Bogdan) Tanjevic's offense because if you put a smaller guy on him he can post up, he can shoot it, he's a great playmaker, and most importantly, what I've seen tonight, is the team feeds off his confidence. I'm watching these guys' faces, and it's like being in a back-alley street fight with Mr. T on your side. You can see that there's a reverence for him among his teammates that creates great confidence for them as a team."

Not a bad guy to have on our side this year, huh?

Star-divide

About Turkey's home court advantage:

"The one intangible factor they've got going for them is they're playing in front of this incredible home crowd. The energy level of the team is boosted by the fact that these fans, they don't wait for the team to make things happen, they implore them to make things happen. The team is playing off the fans more than the fans are reacting off the team."  

Turkey has a good shot to face Team USA in the Finals on Sunday. They will face Serbia (who knocked off Spain earlier) on Saturday. Turkey should win that game.

Goran Dragic did not have a good game. I'm sure Blaz13 can give us better insight than I could. Goran's Slovenian team now gets to fight for the 5th spot in the loser's bracket.

Here is a game recap, with link to the boxscore and such on the fiba.com website.

Both teams, Turkey and Slovenia, will be done end of day Sunday.

After that, Hedo and Goran will likely celebrate rest before heading overseas to Phoenix and a 9-month NBA preseason, regular season and playoff schedule. 

I would not expect either player to show up for voluntary pickup games before camp starts. They've each played about 20 games now since the end of the NBA season.

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I think they’ll beat serbia, however Team USA is on another level. The home field advantage will help but I think Durants gonna go supernova on them

Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.

by Wichita SunSteeler on Sep 8, 2010 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just have to say that

I don’t like Team USA this year. Too much athleticism and too little teamwork. All kinds of one-on-one crap.

I admit I much prefer the Euro teams, who resemble the Suns more than Team USA does.

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by Alex Laugan on Sep 8, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree completely.

I could not have stated that any better myself in terms of how I also feel.
Sometimes I feel horribly guilty that I seem to not want to cheer for USA in things such as this and in the World Cup..
But, I mean, it’s not as if I cheer AGAINST them.. I just don’t cheer FOR them…

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Sep 8, 2010 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

True.

This year though I think it’s pretty easy to cheer for the basketball team there is nothing but humble hard workers on this team. Save for Khloe Odom I liek everyone on the team. Especially durant, this offseason hearing him talk in interviews has made me a big fan of him.

Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.

by Wichita SunSteeler on Sep 8, 2010 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's not that I don't like the team,

I just don’t find myself cheering for them.
And as far as the World Cup, I don’t know. For some reason, I just enjoy watching other countries have success on the world stage. I guess it’s the same thing with basketball, in this case. But, it’s not as if I get upset when the US wins. Im completely happy for them. I don’t really know how to explain it…

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Sep 8, 2010 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I didn't even watch the world cup :D

"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!

by Jaxis on Sep 8, 2010 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's kind of hard to put together offensive schemes on the fly.

So I understand why they play the way they do.

Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.

by Wichita SunSteeler on Sep 8, 2010 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sure Durant could go supernova on them, but the US doesnt have a true inside presence, Lamar Odom is very inconsistent, Kevin Love is 6'9, Rudy Gay plays better on the perimeter, Tyson Chandler is only good off of lobs and team usa doesnt

have any crafty passers a la cp3, and Danny Granger rarely plays. That is your entire list of forwards, basically most of them are 6’9 and shorter, and the rest of the players are guards, undersized ones at that.

"Remember this sh*t at christmas!"-Terry Crews, The Expendables

by Bkj on Sep 8, 2010 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I take it you weren't a fan of 7sol?

Billups isn’t a crafty passer though? Russel Westbrook is good enough too imo and I think Stephen Curry will surprise you. Size doesn’t make you a better rebounder or defender either, look at barkley and rodman and ben wallace. Kevin Love and Odom (mostly love) are both great rebounders. And I wouldn’t say Ersan Ilyasova is an improvement over either of those players. I’m not trying to start a argument I just think your selling them a little short because they don’t have the huge names the redeem team had.

Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.

by Wichita SunSteeler on Sep 8, 2010 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not trying to sell them short, I'm trying them to bring them into the same level of competition as the Turks.

I pointed out the flaws in Team USA because they are susceptible to losing; I want team USA to win but it’d be unrealistic to think that they are by and far the best team in the tourney when Turkey as well is also undefeated and hasnt had the lackluster offensive problems team USA has had. Oh and looking back in retrospect, I dont like ssol because you just exhaust yourself when you can wait 5 seconds more and get a better shot. But then again, I was all for it when it was part of our system.

"Remember this sh*t at christmas!"-Terry Crews, The Expendables

by Bkj on Sep 8, 2010 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also, what I meant when I said they dont have enough crafty passers is that, none of these guys can pass like that throughout the course of an entire game; they'll have a few nice passes,

but they arent going to be racking them up by the dozens or to the exact location where your big man wants it.

"Remember this sh*t at christmas!"-Terry Crews, The Expendables

by Bkj on Sep 8, 2010 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

agree on this point entirely

Team USA has scoring PGs on the team. We’re spoiled by Nash.

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by Alex Laugan on Sep 8, 2010 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I see what your saying.

I didn’t mean to imply that they were unbeatable. I just don’t agree that turkey has a “great” chance to beat USA. I feel like this team has something to prove, lesser than the redeem team, but the best competitors know how to convince yourself themselves that they have been insulted. Also i’m not sure what offensive problems your talking about, maybe against brazil; but that’s it minus exhibition games. Also your point guard doesn’t have to be your prime facilitator, there are a lot of non selfish guys on the team. Curry, Iquodola, Love for example. No one guy on this team is gonna dominate the ball like steve nash does.

Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.

by Wichita SunSteeler on Sep 8, 2010 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

idk maybe it was just lesser competition, im a homer/patriot lol

also I meant themselves not yourself.

Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.

by Wichita SunSteeler on Sep 8, 2010 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

turk-coe-glue

looked pretty good along with a nice shooting stroke and some great dishes, I also saw some pretty good definsive moves. it was suprizing to see how much bigger turky looked.

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Sep 8, 2010 4:26 PM MDT reply actions  

it was suprizing to see how much bigger turky looked.

Now I’m getting hungry.
Side note: I wish that the Hungarians could play some ball, just so we could possibly have a final of Hungary vs. Turkey.

"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic

by RMason on Sep 8, 2010 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have to go with hungary on that one

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Sep 8, 2010 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

or, actually, a player named Hungary

so it could be “Hungary for Turkey”

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by Alex Laugan on Sep 8, 2010 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

mahsheed potaitoh

just plays to soft on the block

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Sep 8, 2010 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

side note:

2NASHTY butchered the word “surprising” xP, jk.

"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!

by Jaxis on Sep 8, 2010 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought about ripping on 2Nashty for his spelling

But I decided to go shoot some fish in a barrel instead.

"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic

by RMason on Sep 8, 2010 7:33 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wasn’t Turk Snuffs Out The Dragon A movie starring Burt Reynolds and Dom Delouise?

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by presbot on Sep 8, 2010 4:29 PM MDT reply actions  

no

it’s a head shop in flagstaff

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Sep 8, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh dear.. :(

I feel so sad for Goran!
Im happy that Hedo had a good game but I can’t help but feel disappointed that Slovenia lost. I was cheering for them in the tournament since I also don’t much care for Team USA this year.
But I can feel happy for Turkey. I recorded this game, but I don’t think I’ll watch it…

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Sep 8, 2010 4:45 PM MDT reply actions  

I would hold off on the Dr pep and pickles on this one…wasn’t pretty for slovania

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Sep 8, 2010 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, I came in from school, got a pickle, and was going to watch the game.

But then I got on here and decided that I didn’t want to watch a game where Goran doesn’t play well when I have Math and English homework…

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Sep 8, 2010 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

the first quarter might be okay

Hedo had 9 pts, 3 assists and 2 rebs.

Dragic had 1 pt, 2 assists and a reb.

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by Alex Laugan on Sep 8, 2010 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh my word...

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Sep 8, 2010 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

had some very nice things to say about Hedo and his 6-0 Turkey team.

I think the Turks are 7-0 now.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Sep 8, 2010 5:46 PM MDT reply actions  

Sorry. Hey, the more wins Turkey has the better Hedo looks right?

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Sep 8, 2010 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m curious to see how Russia will perform against USA. I mean I watched that New Zealand game and I was impressed with their defense and scrappy play. It’s the best defense I’ve seen since well last NBA season. I think they believe they’ve got a shot. They too like USA sort of just threw an offense together on the fly which is why they will struggle, but if they can get into USA’s head early on they’ve got a chance. It will take a very lucky offensive performance for them to win though.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Sep 8, 2010 5:49 PM MDT reply actions  

Which is why USA is the obvious favorite. Nobody expects an upset, but that’s how upsets happen. It’s not an upset if everybody thinks the other team can upset them.

If Russia plays with that same intensity they’ve got a chance, but like I said, they will have to have the luckiest offensive game ever in order to beat USA.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Sep 8, 2010 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I admit I'm kinda hoping

for Turkey/USA in the gold medal game

(and for Slovenia to take home the #5 spot)

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by Alex Laugan on Sep 8, 2010 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I really feel that Turkey can beat USA. Russia is the first real “big” team that USA will go up against, but they aren’t on the same level as the Turks. Those guys just can’t be beaten. Either way, I will be surprised if USA vrs Turkey doesn’t end up being close.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Sep 8, 2010 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

didn't Brazil nearly beat the US last week in pool play?

barbosa missed a layup at the buzzer.

Since then, Slovenia beat Brazil easily, and Turkey beat Slovenia easily.

Turkey has a good chance to beat the US.

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by Alex Laugan on Sep 8, 2010 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

as someone who followed Hedo’s NBA career, you all might be surprised at his level of play on a team that knows how to use him. Forget the bad press in Toronto. The coach is bad and the GM is worse, just hugging Bosh’s nuts. I’ve seen him play as a Magic, and I’ve got to say that he is the European Kobe. His statistics are misleading. Just look at the Magic’s 2009 playoff results without him. And Home court don’t mean shit to him. Just look at his 2009 performance against the Celtics.
So on the World championships, Turkey beating the USA wouldn’t really be far-fetched. If they could offset the US’s Defensive pressure, it would be a long night for the US. Just think about it. Aside from Chauncey, Durant and Love (iand possibly Rose), all the others are playing NBA type of bb in the offense. And this ain’t the NBA. So if Turkey can withstand the defense (there are four NBA players in the Turkish side if I’m not mistaken, so they know how NBA players defend), then it will be a nullified defense against a formidable spread out, inside out (think Asik) offense.
So all in all, if not for the Spurs, i’d pick the suns as the dark horse in the west. If Gentry utilizes Turk’s skill set properly (The guy’s a point-forward, for cryin’ out loud. think inside out, pick and roll with Nash, big lineup, etc.) they’d scare a lot of teams in the west. Though I think still not enough to beat the Lakers.

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Sep 9, 2010 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

in other words

Hedo is worth more to you than Goran, fandom notwithstanding.

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Sep 9, 2010 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

meant 2010 results without him

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Sep 9, 2010 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good point.

"Remember this sh*t at christmas!"-Terry Crews, The Expendables

by Bkj on Sep 8, 2010 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hor those of you who want to see a little bit more Goran...

Check out NBA TV now. Suns vs. Spurs Game 4. Goran’s 23 pt. 4th quarter.

by Omaha Sun on Sep 8, 2010 9:02 PM MDT reply actions  

yep I watched that

but I’m gonna go all Beavis on you: it was Game 3, not Game 4

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by Alex Laugan on Sep 9, 2010 7:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think both of our guys have something to benefit from this

Goran will have an added motivation from this defeat. It will give him something to prove. At his young age, this is a great lesson for him.

As for Hedo, this win will help bring back his confidence. I wish that Turkey can go as far as they can, with Hedo leading the assault. If they can manage to get to the finals, that will be something that is proven for him. He’ll be much better this coming NBA season.

Steve Nash can only give 100 percent. The other 10 percent he donates to his families.

I believe in the destiny of the Suns. We can prevail.

by suns champ on Sep 8, 2010 9:52 PM MDT reply actions  

Well after Turkey destroyed Slovenia

i am puzzled as to what happened. All the quotes from Slovenian team that are coming out are basically saying that they were not aggressive enough and that they didn’t stop charge from Turkey and blablabla…well tell me something i didn’t see for myself. Don’t get me wrong. Turkey with its crowd is very good. If there was a way that a team could fail a doping test based on mental doping, Turkey would fail it. The crowd is literally putting this team into trans and in my mind, objectivelly, this team is not as good as the scores suggests. Again, i’m not being a sore loser, as you say, i think they are playing some great basketball, but they are not a 30 points better team.

That leads me to Slovenia. They played so well up to this point. They raised my expectations to be honest. Everybody talked before the game with Turkey what main concerns are, yet with all the talk, there was no putting theory in to practice. i know it’s easier said than done, but still…we all knew this was a ‘do or die’ game. This is not best of 5 series. This is win and you advance, or lose and you play with Spain for those, weird, somewhere in the back placements. That is why i am puzzled. I don’t mind losing against a better team, i do mind losing this way. Turkey missed only 3 of 11 three pointers in the first half. Crazy yes, but there was absolutely no pressure defense on those shots. No pressure on passing lanes. No pressure on the point guard. No full court press, no half court press. Slovenia comited only 6 (!!!) personal fouls in the first half. That is just bad defense. I’m not saying, foul for the sake of the foul, but when you play agressive defense with intense pressure, fouls are going to be made. Instead Slovenia looked like they don’t believe they can win. And now i’m basically hearing that after the 1st quarter, it was basically over. Excuse me?! You have 3 more quarters and you’re saying it’s impossible to come back. Sure with that attitude and with that kind of pathetic effort it is impossible.

And hearing some of the statements it almost seems, like this game was out of their control, like i was watching Lost (whatever happened, happened). Well you knew from the start, what kind of effort this will take, and you failed. It’s not like the game started with Turkey leading 20 points. No! You failed at the start! The game starts at zero. Take responsibilty. And you also failed to fight back. You looked like you don’t belong there. And it seems like you quit after the first quarter!

I’ll stop, since the more i think about the game, the more annoyed i get. Look, i still support the team and i’m a fan. I mean, if we finish 5th in the Worlds, that’s awesome! It’s just that, the aproach to the most important game in the tourney bothers me. If you don’t believe you can win, why play at all.

Sure, the entire team took a day off so to speak and that included Goran. He played 21 minutes, had 5 points with only 1 made shot out of 7. I don’t know what to say. He obviously is a young player who has issues when performing against better teams who foucs on him agressivelly. His outside shot wasn’t falling, he was forcing the drives inside which ended with misses, or weird “bail out” passes outside. Even coach said after the game, that “Gogi” wasn’t himself. That he was trying to play one on five. Like the rest of the team, i didn’t see fire in him. Not in offense and not in defense. I sincerely wish for him the best! But he needs to perform well consistently against any team. Against any defense. And if he has a bad game, he still needs to put a mark on the game. At least with effort! Look at Nash. He has bad games, but at least he never goes down without a fight. And yes, they are different players (personalities) but if there is one thing that is completly up to an individual is his effort. It’s a mental decision! There is never an excuse to leave it all on the floor. And that goes for Goran, as well as for Slovenia.

We’ll see how they respond on Friday when they play Spain.

Blaz

by Blaz13 on Sep 9, 2010 1:46 AM MDT reply actions  

I rewatched the first half last night

and I was not as disappointed as the first time. Turkey was not going to be denied yesterday, and Slovenia just didn’t have the right mindset to stop the run. but when a team makes nearly every jump shot, then what can you do?

So now Slovenia has to beat Spain. Tough task.

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by Alex Laugan on Sep 9, 2010 7:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

again

+1. @Blaz. Don’t forget that Turkey has four NBA players, with two having playoff experience. Ilyasova and Torkuglu won’t just fold against a good defense. So it’s not just Slovenia that lost it, But Turkey took it, and won it as well.

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Sep 9, 2010 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying

Slovenia should win it, i’m saying, put up a fight. Well, they made every jump shot, but on most of those shots, there was no defense, so they can at least contest shots, put some pressure on it. Put pressure on the ball. They didn’t do that. And with respect, i’m not saying Turkey would fold against good defense, but it would make a fan of Slovenia feel better, if they actually played any good defense.

Blaz

by Blaz13 on Sep 9, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

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