Dudley: I want to be here (In Phoenix)
by Jaxis on Sep 8, 2010 11:05 PM MDT
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"I want to be here," said Dudley, who could become a restricted free agent next summer. "This is home to me, close to San Diego. Training camp's there. It just fits. "I'm thinking about obviously having a good year. It's crazy. Everywhere now, because of the success our team has, I get a lot of recognition every time I go out. I just want to be better. I don't want to go on last year's success. Amar'e's gone. Barbosa's gone. I think I can pick up more of a role. I'm not going to replace him (Stoudemire) or even come close. I know what I'm capable of doing and can improve as a player."
via Hoopshype, via Azcentral
Glad to here this from Dudley, it makes me happy to see that Dudley is ready to elevate his game to the next level, and is providing positive outlook on the next season.
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As much as I love JD's game he strikes me as a BIG CITY guy.
JD is definently a “Big” Lewboski Urban Achiever and I love that about him but (I hate going here) I think he sees himself as reality show wanna be. When he is doing the JDZ thing it seems a bit forced and that he is trying too hard to be entertaining. Look I totally understand that he needs to develop a “brand” but I worry that he flirts with the possibility of becoming “Erik Burnes-ized”. Now reading that he dropped 13 lbs and shows up before before camps starts sort of lessens my worries a little, but only a little. I love the Suns and Ronnie “The Kamikazee Kid” Lee was favorite player as a kid so I freak-out whenever I detect a possible pot-hole for the teams success. Thanks for dealing with all my " " and -’s.
He will only stay if we give him a Frye-like contract.
If our offer is the same or lower as the offer of other more attractive city. (LA, NY..etc) it will be very hard for us to keep him
Which only matters if our deal is the largest
and he chooses to accept it over the qualifying offer.
if he signs an offer from another team
that’s higher than the Suns’ offer, then the Suns could just match it and keep him.
Duds may find out his market value is like Amundsons… lower than they expected. So why would the Suns bid against themselves for his services?
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I'm in no way recommending that we extend him early.
Just want people to be aware that there is a risk not doing so – though it’s a risk I think we should take for exactly that reason.
what?
you’re not recommending it, but then you are?
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If Dudley has another good year than I think he’s worth about 5mil. Which is right around what Frye got and what Bell had.
5 mil for 5-6 years.
Don't trade Dudley!
5 mil for a back-up player that only plays 20-25 minutes a game?
His max market value is 4 for 12 mil
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by Bkj on Sep 9, 2010 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions
5 mil for a back-up player that only plays 20-25 minutes a game?
That could describe Childress and Frye as well, and they racked up that much.
Yes but Childress and Frye both have the potential to be starters
Frye effectively split time at Center with Lopez last year and Childress could easily start for us within his contract period (especially if J-Rich leaves in next summers FA. Dudley is going to be behind Hedo, assuming we get a decent PF in the next few years, for the length of his contract.
You have to look at how awesome those 20-25 minutes are though. Plus, he can still get better.
Don't trade Dudley!
I agree, but still Dudley doesnt have what it takes to be potential starting material, unlike J-chills and Frye.
Dont get me wrong, I really, really, want dudley to stay here in PHX, but I doubt that there is more that dudley can do that’ll make him worth a 5 year 25 million dollar contract.
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by Bkj on Sep 9, 2010 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Barbs was never a starter and he got 7 mil. I think 5mil at the most is good for Dudley. hes the perfect bench player and with his work ethic he will get better. Just think that if we locked this guy up long term we will never have to worry about our bench being weak.
Don't trade Dudley!
Good call mentioning LB
Using that comparison, what more Dudz can do to get paid despite being a bench player is to win 6th Man of the Year like LB did in 06-07.
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by East Bay Ray on Sep 10, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Which isn't going to happen.
Not enough PT and not a big enough role. LB got that money beacuse he was a 6th starter playing starter’s minutes and putting up starter’s numbers. Then his role was reduced and he was no longer worth the money.
I’d love to see Dudz get paid,but how many long-term $5 mil/year contracts can we offer?
Similar players got nearly the mid-level
James Posey, Shane Battier…
Thing is, who knows what the $$ amount is gonna be with a new CBA looming.
Posey has never been worth the money, but if I see Shane Battier level contribuition from Jared dudley that'll be
when I Hand him a 5 year 25 million dollar deal
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by Bkj on Sep 9, 2010 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Dudley is already better offensively than Battier. His defense, versatility, quickness and speed has yet to catch up. This is why he lost weight over the summer. He hopes to be faster and quicker. That will also make him more versatile because than he can play the 2. If he can buff up a little bit later on in his career he could probably play PF as well.
Don't trade Dudley!
You're starting to sound like the old SNL "Ditka" guys when you talk about Dudz
“Who would win between Jared Dudley and the entire Lakers team?”
“Dudz, easy! The score would be 150-10”
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by East Bay Ray on Sep 10, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Bill Swerski’s Superfans is funny, but it’s another example of how Chris Farley’s skits tended to be gross.
wait a minute
when was Farley gross? I never noticed
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That would be: in the Chippendales skit (fat hairy man dancing half-naked); the Matt Foley skits (fat slob who keeps adjusting his pants and in the process looks like he’s grabbing his crotch); and the Bennett Brauer news commentator skits (talks about popping his whiteheads and picking his scabs). He’s not the star of the Bill Swerski’s Super Fans skits, but he and all the characters there are gluttonous slobs. There, he gorges himself on sausage and beer, and cavalierly states that he’s now had a “baker’s dozen” heart attacks.
Nope. Just the behaviors enumerated above.
by 8472species on Sep 11, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
sorry :) I was kidding
Farley’s whole schtick was being as gross as possible
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by Alex Laugan on Sep 11, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
I’d say, more generally, as obnoxious as possible. And obnoxiousness is usually hilarious.
by 8472species on Sep 11, 2010 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
I see him becoming a replica of Battier. 3 point shooter who hustles, which is fine but in no way worth of the full MLE but you’d have to think someone would give that to him.
Coming off the bench behind Artest looks like a perfect spot for him actually…
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In God we trust, all others must bring data.
by PandRisDead on Sep 10, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
market value
There are at least two levels of value for a player, and possibly three: what a player thinks he’s worth; what the player is worth is you honestly evaluate his strengths and weaknesses and refuse to overpay him; and the market value. I’m not entirely sure about this, but as far as I can tell, “market value” is simply whatever amount of money the NBA teams are willing to offer. So, because there’s more than one perspective from which to claim how much a player is worth and because teams often distort market values by overpaying, I take “market value” with a grain of salt.
+1
you got it species. That’s what I’m thinking every time someone says “he’s only worth X on his next contract”. What does ‘worth’ have to do with it? Ask Channing Frye’s agent, and Lou Amundson’s agent.
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I seriously don't think a hard cap will happen
the owners will get, maybe, lower ‘max salary’ caps on individual players (prospectively speaking, of course), and a lower ‘soft’ cap like there is today.
But I can’t possibly see a hard cap that forces the Lakers, for example, to outright release a third of their roster. Won’t happen.
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by Alex Laugan on Sep 11, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, perhaps a compromise. A deal that allows teams like them to keep their existing plays but requires them to not exceed the cap any further and to conform to the new cap in the future.
by 8472species on Sep 11, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
The idea behind the soft cap is to allow and encourage teams to keep their own players, which in turn is hoped will increase fan loyalty and dedication.
Don’t want your own rising star to price himself out of your budget, or allow other teams further under the cap than to steal your players because you have no ability to match the offer.
which is what happened, to an extent, to the Phoenix Mercury of the WNBA
that league has a hard cap, and it was reduced coming into this season. The Merc was forced to trade someone to get below the cap, which sent Cappie Pondexter (the second-best player on the team) to NY to allow the rest of the team to stay together.
Thats the harsh realities of a hard cap, and not something the NBA would go with, IMO.
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by Alex Laugan on Sep 12, 2010 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
I think a hard cap is possible
But it would probably be set way up in the stratosphere, with a soft cap under it still.
by jc79 on Sep 11, 2010 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
mmm, there's a thought
just putting a hard cap at higher than the lux tax, so teams like LA and NY can’t keep adding and adding.
I like that idea.
soft cap = 50 mill
lux tax cap = 60 mill
MAX (hard) cap = 80 mill
from 50-80 mill, the team gets the usual “exceptions” to stay competitive each summer
from 60-80 mill, they pay $ for $ lux tax to a revenue-sharing fund
at 80 mill, they’re maxed, period. no more exceptions.
I like that a lot.
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by Alex Laugan on Sep 12, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m all for preventing wealthier teams from spending too wildly, but it still leaves the risk of having a near hard cap team draft a future superstar and be forced to let him go.
Additionally, if I were in charge of league finances, I’d have to ask myself if I really wanted to give up about 36.5 million dollars in luxury tax revenue in 10/11 – or whatever the number ends up being when adding up the luxury taxable salary that teams would no longer have the option of paying.
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