another trade....
by az_kevin on Jan 7, 2011 5:27 PM MST
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I have seen a lot of discussion in how we can participate in the Carmelo trade and get what we want. I just commented on another thread on why we should not under estimate our own players. Its not that they are bad. They are just in a bad situation not having a genuine PF to spread the floor and perhaps some new players like Vince carter are not helping the Chemistry that has been the glue in Phoenix.
I have been reading comments from “harmoor” and I agree with him when he says “patience”. Many of the players are coming into free agency next year and the year after and there may be no point in rushing to make trades now when they have an expiring contract and we will not extend them until the CBA decisions on salary cap and other regulation are final.
However, if we are talking about trades:
And have to go for the bigger trade to land Nene and Aaron Afflalo along with a PF, I would the suggest the following trade since the chance of Knicks getting Carmelo is less than of New Jersey based on what Denver wants. By doing this trade Denver will benefit further in reducing their cap space and filling the missing pieces (in the meantime it is best to rest Robin Lopez for couple weeks saying he hurried in coming back and was not physically ready to show case him before the trade deadline, as I am assuming the trade scenes will be frantic post Carmelo deal, with some teams trying to reduce salary to rebuild and the contenders trying to add players for now and future):
Trade scenario 1 (will post scenario 2 in a different post as I am still tweaking it):
Denver gets: Vince Carter and Pietrus and Lawal
Phoenix SUNS get: Al Horford, Arron Afflalo, Nene Hilario, Eddy Curry + future draft pick from NY Knicks
Atlanta Hawks get: Robin Lopez, Hakim Warrick (or Anthony Randolph) + 2011 Orlando Draft 1 pick via SUNS
New York Knicks get: Kenyon Martin.
Denver loves this because they get a good player in Pietrus and his expiring contract and also has reduced their payroll by $9M. They immediately save $18M and add the missing pieces in the Carmelo Anthony trade.
Atlanta gets a good Center and a decent backup PF (or Anthony Randolph and they believe that he will be good and just did not work in the run and gun teams he has been in) plus a draft pick to relieve salary cap space.
New York get s a solid experienced PF who can run in the NY system and his larger expiring contract for the remaining year who can relieve Amare a little for their playoff run. Essentially turned their ugly duckling (Eddy Curry) into a Swan for the time being without impacting their cap space after this season (actually helps them as they have ability to trade for a larger $ amount if they want to use his expiring contract for any trade).
SUNS improve the team by having a balanced team and try for the playoff run this year (if we get in the playoff then it is a new season and anything is possible).
SUNS will have to sign one player (and possibly 2 players if Atlanta picks Hakim Warrick) to get to the minimum 13 else can take a min player from Denver/Atlanta and they will love us even more :
The team then would be:
Nash/Dragic
Childress/Aarron Afflelo
Grant Hill/Dudley
Al Horford/Frye
Nene/Gortat
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BAZINGA!!
I would love to see this trade in fruition, but is this ideal?
C’mon. Among all the three teams, the Suns gets the best deal. Why would the Knicks get KMart when they already have Amare?
by NASH is the phoenx on Jan 7, 2011 6:29 PM MST reply actions
Knicks would agree because they get Martin who is a good PF for the year. Better than Anthony Randolph or Curry they are not using now. Gives Amare’s tired legs some rest now and when they go in the playoffs. They get to use him this year as his is a expiring contract as well. If they are lucky they might get something back if he signs someplace and they have to do a sign and trade. Or if they trade him immediately, they get more room to maneuver with his larger salary and expiring contract and still being a usable player compared to Curry.
We don't need a PF.
Gallo and Chandler rotate between PF and SF. Amare is currently playing PF though with Gallo injured and Turiaf at C.
If anything, we need a true starting C. Something this trade doesn’t give us.
Didn’t say this trade was going to solve all of Knicks problems. But it is a huge upgrade to Eddy Curry and Martin’s expiring contract is more valuable in other trades to get teh true Center. Other options could be including Charlotte to get Nazr Mohammed or looking at Anderson (“Birdman”) from Denver in this deal.
It would be great iif Minnesota will part with Kevin Love for just getting Vince carter and and wing for losing their front line. But why would they? They do not need payroll relief to let go for their franchise player. They have good wings rigth now. I agree with one thing that they lack a veteran player who has been through championships to bring that attitude in their locker room.
They are not helping themselves in any way in this trade, actually they lose the frontline with no replacement and increase their payroll for what?
Knicks want no part of Kenyon Martin.
Last year's Phoenix Suns team was like the show "Deadwood." A great thing that ended way too early.
as a knicks fan this is the truth we want nene if this was the deal
Victory goes to the courageous!!
I hear you about y ou wanting nene if this was the deal but have you looked at the assets Knicks are giving up in this deal? I am sure rosterbating you would like to have Nene, Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Love if you can as part of this deal or giving just a little more but you can only be draming when Knicks do not have much much to give (especially in this deal).
You're right. We don't have much to give.
But WHY would we get ourselves involved in a trade if that trade makes no sense for us?
Our priorities right now are getting a decent backup PG and getting a true, quality, starting C. Thus putting Amar’e back at his natural position(PF). As I’ve said, we wouldn’t need a PF.
Besides, we have no picks to give.
Can't do it...
until feb 18 – when Carter et al can be traded with another player.
So to recap: Atlanta gives up their best player for scrubs, Denver gives up their THREE of their best four players … and ALL their frontcourt, whilst we give up the 26th pick next year and two expiring contracts and get back two of three best players in the trade, a massive expiring AND a BETTER first rounder than we give up?
Dude, you gotta at least TRY to make a trade FAIR. No team except Phoenix (and maybe NY) would do this trade – and even then the Knicks would be hard pressed to justify a first rounder for Kenyon “injury” Martin.
Crack pipe removed to where it causes less insanity!
Crack pipe aside, you need better glasses if you only read 2 expiring contracts from teh SUNS. And you are way under estimating the value of the SUNS players. They are losing because they lack a solid PF.
- SUNS will lose Robin Lopez, Hakim Warrick (backup PF to Atlanta), Carter, Pietrus, Lawal and round 1 draft pick
- Denver loses Aaron Afflalo, Nene and Kenyon Martin (who they are looking to lose I believe after this year and if not, then I am wrong).
- Knicks lose Eddy Curry who they have not played at all and get teh expiring contract of Kenyon Martin. More valuable as a player and his contract in a trade since this is a larger $ value.
- Atlanta is in a financial bind and the assumption is that they will look to trade hence a option they get at replacing with a younger player who has a lot of potential.
As for not being able to trade till Feb 18, I know, should have mentioned it.
Bah!
- SUNS will lose Robin Lopez, Hakim Warrick (backup PF to Atlanta), Carter, Pietrus, Lawal and round 1 draft pick
And get a pick from NY – likely a BETTER pick than Orlando’s. And for that they get Horford AND Nene? Dream on! They’d have to give up AT LEAST 3 first rounders, and get none back. AT. LEAST!
- Denver loses Aaron Afflalo, Nene and Kenyon Martin (who they are looking to lose I believe after this year and if not, then I am wrong).
They lose Carmelo? No? My mistake! Read the topic and got it wrong.
Still… Nene? Dude, seriously, Horford AND Nene inn the one trade to The Suns?
- Knicks lose Eddy Curry who they have not played at all and get teh expiring contract of Kenyon Martin. More valuable as a player and his contract in a trade since this is a larger $ value.
Makes no sense! Why is a bigger contract better? The Knicks would have 6 days from Feb 18 to feb 24 to move him. SIX days. And for what? A few months of Martin to MAYBE make the second round of the playoffs? And in the process give up a first rounder? Sorry, but that is terrible.
- Atlanta is in a financial bind and the assumption is that they will look to trade hence a option they get at replacing with a younger player who has a lot of potential.
So they move SOMEONE ELSE. Horford is a stud. He ain’t going nowhere, and certainly NOT for scrubs you gave them (a barely serviceable center and an overpaid back up 4).
Look, Jamal Crawford’s contract expires after this season, and they are at about $63 mill: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/atlanta.htm YES they probably would like to dump salary. No, It won’t be Horford :)
Look, I’d do that trade if i was Phoenix IN A HEARTBEAT, but not if I was any other team. You’ve given no one anything to crow about. NY? No. Denver? Some mild cap relief. Atlanta? ICK!
Go back and make a trade where the Suns DO NOT get the two best players and a pick, and we’ll talk ;)
Forgot to mention, ask D’Antoni about Nash. He desperately tried to steal Nash a year ago. He know how Nash can help the team, and how Nash and Amare together can be awesome along with the good set of players in Wilson Chandler, Gallinari and your young SG.
The pick and roll would be awesome anf you would be able to spread the floor so much better with Nash being to find open players so much better.
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