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Phoenix Suns Game Preview: Cleveland Cavaliers at Phoenix Suns

Get up and take it to the rack, Vince.  (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

Tonight, the Phoenix Suns give their 75% rebuilt selves a shot at winning a game versus arguably the worst team in the league, the Cleveland Cavaliers. How bad are both of these teams? Why not compare?

Record

Cavs: 8-28 15th in the EC...3-16 on the road....Lost 9 in a row, 9 of their last 10

Suns: 14-20 12th in the WC ...8-9 at home...Lost 3 in a row, 8 of their last 10

Stats

Rebounding

Cavs:  39.2 per game (26th, NBA)...-3.64 differential (27th, NBA)

Suns:  38.3 per game (30th, NBA)....-6.18 differential (30th, NBA)

Defense 

Cavs:  94.0 ppg...ppg differential:.  -9.48 (30th, NBA)

Suns:  105.7 ppg...ppg differential: -2.74 (20th NBA) 

Offense

Cavs:  43% FG... (30th NBA)...FG% differential:  -.046 

Suns:  47.5% FG...(2nd NBA)...FG% differential:  -.010

 

Woah. Quite a battle shaping up here.  Two teams who can't defend or rebound. Two teams mired in the Winter doldrums of defeat and emotional deflation. Two teams seemingly going in the same direction-down the dark hole that is the toilet of franchise reconstruction. The Cavs lost LeBron. The Suns lost someone of substance too. 

Not getting y'all excited for this one? Well how about a quote from one of the Suns new acquisitions, Vince "Vinsanity" Carter to lift our spirits:

"There's so much talent in here and ability," Suns guard Vince Carter said. "It doesn't matter about size. If we stick to what we do and be who we are, we should be OK but we've got to believe it.

"I think we can do it. I really do."

quote via AZ Republic (Paul Coro)

How's that? Feeling better, Suns fans?

Star-divide


FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
G M M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
Antawn Jamison 33 30.3 6.1 13.9 43.9 1.6 4.6 35.8 2.3 3.4 68.1 1.2 4.6 5.8 1.5 1.2 0.7 0.5 2.4 16.2
Mo Williams 29 31.1 5.5 13.7 40.3 1.1 4.0 27.8 2.7 3.2 83.7 0.5 2.4 3.0 7.2 3.0 0.9 0.3 2.5 14.8
Daniel Gibson 32 29.3 4.6 11.2 41.2 1.9 4.4 44.0 2.5 3.0 83.2 0.5 2.8 3.3 3.1 1.3 0.8 0.2 2.6 13.7
J.J. Hickson 34 23.0 4.0 9.0 44.8 0.0 0.1 0.0 2.5 3.8 67.2 1.0 4.2 5.2 0.6 2.0 0.6 0.3 2.1 10.6
Ramon Sessions 35 22.5 3.4 7.9 43.6 0.0 0.1 0.0 3.5 4.3 80.9 0.6 2.3 2.9 4.2 1.7 0.5 0.0 1.0 10.4
Anderson Varejao 31 32.0 3.7 7.0 52.8 0.0 0.1 0.0 1.7 2.6 66.7 3.2 6.5 9.7 1.5 1.3 0.9 1.2 2.8 9.1
Anthony Parker 34 30.6 3.2 8.4 38.3 1.4 3.6 38.8 1.2 1.6 76.4 0.6 2.6 3.2 2.7 1.1 0.9 0.1 1.5 9.1
Christian Eyenga 3 23.3 3.7 7.3 50.0 0.3 3.3 10.0 0.3 0.3 100.0 0.3 2.7 3.0 1.0 1.7 0.3 1.0 1.7 8.0
Joey Graham 16 19.2 2.8 6.1 45.9 0.3 0.9 28.6 1.2 1.4 82.6 0.3 2.2 2.5 0.4 0.9 0.1 0.1 2.3 7.1
Leon Powe 14 13.3 2.1 4.2 49.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.9 1.9 46.2 1.1 1.6 2.7 0.1 0.4 0.5 0.2 1.4 5.0
Ryan Hollins 30 13.1 1.6 2.9 56.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.5 2.1 69.8 1.2 1.2 2.4 0.3 0.6 0.2 0.4 2.2 4.7
Manny Harris 16 13.8 1.6 4.3 37.7 0.4 1.3 35.0 0.5 0.6 80.0 0.4 1.4 1.8 1.4 0.9 0.8 0.1 0.9 4.2
Jamario Moon 27 18.6 1.7 4.4 38.3 0.4 2.1 20.7 0.3 0.3 100.0 0.3 2.6 3.0 1.1 0.4 0.6 0.3 0.9 4.1
Samardo Samuels 5 5.2 1.2 2.0 60.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.2 1.4 85.7 0.6 0.4 1.0 0.0 0.2 0.4 0.2 0.2 3.6
Alonzo Gee 21 12.8 0.9 2.2 41.3 0.1 0.3 28.6 0.8 1.2 68.0 0.9 1.3 2.2 0.5 0.9 0.7 0.2 1.2 2.7

 

Keys to the Game:

Win dammit. Play some D. The Suns have been letting scrubs and youngsters have career nights against them (76ers anyone?). Body up Jamison, keep Varejao from controlling the boards, and get a hand in the grill of Gibson and Williams. On the offensive end, stop settling for long fall away 3's (Vince). Start by working the ball inside to Lopez/Gortat. Attack the rim. Who do the Cavs have to stop buckets in the paint? Make them defend.

Further;

It would be ridiculous to make a remark such as "the Suns need a win to get back on track." But as Supreme Czar of the obvious, I'll go ahead and make that statement. The Suns have a lot of problems to deal with right now, but winning a game here and there could help the psychological segment of the problem. Of course getting a win-against anyone would take a remedy of the other problems. And what is really accomplished with a W versus the worst team in the league? I suppose more than a loss.

Mr. Alex Laugan created an excellent exercise in what I think they term "rosterbation," and with that in mind, I wonder what the lineup will be tonight. My preference is to put Frye at the 4 and leave him there indefinitely. He's the only semblance of a 4 on the squad, and shuffling him in and out of the starting lineup hasn't helped him out. In 33 games as a starter, Frye has shot 45% and averaged 12 and 6. In 13 games as a substitute, he's shot 35%, averaging 9 and 4. Less minutes and opportunities? Probably? Playing without Nash hurting his game? Yes. 

Frye is only one piece of the equation. Robin Lopez presents another conendrum of sorts. His suckitude of late is a contributing reason why the Suns are struggling. First off, is Robin healthy? I assume so. So if he is, there are no excuses. I did notice a little something int he game logs. Lopez hit the skids after a nice 18/14 performance versus the Lakers in which he played 32 minutes. From there on out, the most he played was 18 minutes versus Sacramento. After Lopez's stretch on the DL, he returned and registered 4 double digit scoring efforts out of 5 games. In all of those games he played at least 21 minutes and never registered more than 4 PF's, averaging nearly 6 boards a game.

What's my point? Lopez is a headcase. He's young, prone to extreme stretches of confidence and frustration. The trades have messed up his flow (like everyone else). But it's time to give him an extended shot to get himself back into rhythm. Start him, and give him an extended look (5 games?) and a chance to get back on track.

SB NATION (SETH) Suns Seek Solace....

The Cavs know a thing or two about falling from NBA's graces as well. When LeBron James took his talents to warmer weather and into Dwyane Wade's arms, the Cavs went from a 61-win team to the bottom of the barrel. Their season was always going to be an uphill battle without James. But since LeBron and the Miami Heat stomped the pride out of his former team on December 2, the Cavs have only one game in their last 19 tries. Ironically, their single victory came over the New York Knicks on December 18.

Cavaliers vs Suns coverage

Cavaliers vs Suns preview

Fear The Sword

 

[Note by Seth Pollack, 01/09/11 12:28 PM MST ]

Alvin Gentry Vows Changes For Sinking Phoenix Suns - SB Nation Arizona
"Last year we could play guys whenever we wanted to, who was going good, things like that. I think I've got to find a way to develop some consistency in the rotations and who's going to play and when they're going to play and them have a good feel as to when they're going to come in the game and stuff like that. This team's not a team that can play ten guys. I do understand that now. There's going to be three, four guys that are not going to be in the rotation."

Gentry will start Robin Lopez, Channing Frye, Grant Hill, Vince Carter and Steve Nash tonight and said that he would stick with that starting unit for the next ten games and stop trying to adjust to what other teams were doing.

 

Other quotes

  • "Obviously, I'm not immune to criticism of what we're trying to get done...At the end of the day, I'm responsible for guys playing well and developing a chemistry and I've got to get that done."
  • "You add new guys to the mix that have some versatility and you try to put them in those positions and stuff but it was something that didn't work. It hasn't worked. In my case, I just have to try and establish some more consistency and a pattern of rotations and substitutions and see if that's something that can help with the overall mindset of a guy and how he plays."
  • "This is going to be it. I can pretty much tell you that whoever starts tonight is probably going to starts for the next ten games."
  • "We've got to play more up tempo and get into the open court more."
  • It's been up tempo here in 1976. That's what the fans are used to. 
  • The purpose of signing Zabian Dowdell was to be able to rest Nash during practice. Zabian came close to making team last time he was here. Matt needed more work to polish his skills. Zabian has more pro experience.
  • "Obviously, (the fans) want you to win, but they want to be able to leave the arena and feel good about they saw and you can't blame them for that."
  • The offensive pace and remaining consistent defensively is the immediate goal for tonight.

Here's a couple of fun links looking at Vince Carter (video breakdown) and Earl Clark

Vince Carter likes to point - Posting and Toasting

In the Suns' 121-96 blowout loss to the Knicks last night, Carter spent a lot of the third quarter pointing. Usually a player will point for props, but there aren't many to be given out in a blowout loss. And since Carter was on the losing side, he surely couldn't have been pointing at the scoreboard. So, what was he pointing at?

Orlando Magic 110, Houston Rockets 95: Locker-Room Notes - Orlando Pinstriped Post
"I think that Earl is going to be a really, really good player. I really do," said Van Gundy.

"He's offensively very talented: he's got great quickness, he can shoot the ball, he can put it on the floor. He is a very hard-working guy. He's the first guy in here every day. He comes in on every off day. Every game he doesn't play in, if you go in the gym afterwards, he's in there working out after games [at] 10 o'clock at night."

 

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So, the Suns should go ahead and try and win this one.

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 9, 2011 11:28 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

That'd be Great. Yeah...

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Jan 9, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll drink to that...

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, I'm thankful!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 9, 2011 1:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Also,

any word on if Gibson, Parker, and Varejao will be playing?

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 9, 2011 11:30 AM MST reply actions  

So there's no excuse to lose this one then...

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 9, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Absolutely not.

by 8472species on Jan 9, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I know.

But this just makes it so that there would be really not one single excuse to losing to them.

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 9, 2011 4:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

From Paul Coro twitter

Suns will start Nash, Carter, Hill, Frye & Lopez tonight. Gentry said he’ll stick w/this for at least 10 games.

"Da Suns’ Bench. Call them Victoria’s Secret — all kinds of wonderful support."

by phxuk: Ap on Jan 9, 2011 11:48 AM MST reply actions  

About damn time we get some consistency.

"I'm just like you, but ten times better." - Steve Nash, 2-Time MVP
This is one hilarious video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDVsOVeKFTc

by NashMV3 on Jan 9, 2011 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

i wanted hammer time to start but lets see lopez get him mojo back

"Da Suns’ Bench. Call them Victoria’s Secret — all kinds of wonderful support."

by phxuk: Ap on Jan 9, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Seriously.

Im fine with that lineup.

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 9, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Seriously...

Much better than Nash & the Small Forwardettes we had the other night…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, I'm thankful!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 9, 2011 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Nash & the Small Forwardettes.. hee hee.

I like it.

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 9, 2011 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

What Coro left out was

“Alvin Gentry, after studying the suggestions at BSOTS, decided on this lineup.”

Whoever picked this lineup in that thread, send the Suns a bill for your consulting services.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
~Phillip K. Dick

by East Bay Ray on Jan 9, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Which was about 45% of the general populace.

"I'm just like you, but ten times better." - Steve Nash, 2-Time MVP
This is one hilarious video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDVsOVeKFTc

by NashMV3 on Jan 9, 2011 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Which might sugges tthat we are smarter than the Suns coaching staff...

….perish the thought

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, I'm thankful!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 9, 2011 1:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Dang, I was close.

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 9, 2011 12:46 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Come to think of it

That only applies if the Suns win. If they lose, whoever picked that lineup will have to face the wrath of all of us here.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
~Phillip K. Dick

by East Bay Ray on Jan 9, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

What lineup did you go with, Ray?

"I'm just like you, but ten times better." - Steve Nash, 2-Time MVP
This is one hilarious video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDVsOVeKFTc

by NashMV3 on Jan 9, 2011 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Nash, Carter, Hill, Frye, Gortat.

Only missed on Lopez/Gortat, but Lopez has been such a train wreck that I stand by that.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
~Phillip K. Dick

by East Bay Ray on Jan 9, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I barely passed. 60% correct.

Nash, Hill, Dudley, Warrick, Lopez.

"I'm just like you, but ten times better." - Steve Nash, 2-Time MVP
This is one hilarious video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDVsOVeKFTc

by NashMV3 on Jan 9, 2011 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I had Duds instead of Carter

by the time I was done waffling yesterday. Otherwise, Gortat/Lopez are interchangeable I think.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 9, 2011 2:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Same here about Dudley.

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 9, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

disagree

Gortat scores and rebounds a little more.

by 8472species on Jan 9, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

how's that?

Lopez was a stiff in the last game. Gortat…okay, he played horribly too in that game, but scored and rebounded in other games.

by 8472species on Jan 9, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Maaybe he means all-time?

Like the one game where Lopez scored over 30points…last year.

Gortat has played better than Lopez every game they’ve appeared together in thus far.

by 7footer on Jan 9, 2011 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Gortat has also played a lot longer in each game than Lopez - with the exception of the last one.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Jan 9, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, so I have no idea where HC got that from.

by 8472species on Jan 9, 2011 4:03 PM MST up reply actions  

The Suns have a lot of problems to deal with right now, but winning a game here and there could help the psychological segment of the problem

I don’t know why I bother commenting when you say everything for me, Wil.

"I'm just like you, but ten times better." - Steve Nash, 2-Time MVP
This is one hilarious video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDVsOVeKFTc

by NashMV3 on Jan 9, 2011 11:52 AM MST reply actions  

well thanks, pal

ill try to continue reading your mind and speaking for you.

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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 9, 2011 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Gentry should tell lopez he has 30 minutes of action, even if he gets 6 fouls on this stretch, also, he should play warrick, he puts pressure on the opposition’s post players, even if he doesn’t defend, we have 2 defensive minded centers who could fill his gaps
And also, let dragic play more minutes, god damnit this was suposed to be a breakout year for him, not a downgrade from last year.

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by Eric Arrache on Jan 9, 2011 11:53 AM MST reply actions  

Start Zabian Dowdell.

Honestly….this game can’t be more depressing than Friday. So there’s that. This game is going to feel like a support group for teams who lost superstars.

RIP Seasons of Discontent

by Scott Howard on Jan 9, 2011 11:54 AM MST reply actions  

I disagree

Honestly….this game can’t be more depressing than Friday.

If we lose to the league’s worst team at home, that would be a new low.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
~Phillip K. Dick

by East Bay Ray on Jan 9, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't jinx it, Ray.

Now you’ve doomed us all.

"I'm just like you, but ten times better." - Steve Nash, 2-Time MVP
This is one hilarious video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDVsOVeKFTc

by NashMV3 on Jan 9, 2011 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

We've lost to 3 of the worst teams in the league over the past couple weeks.

I’ve almost become desensitized to it. Would still be better than a nationally televised humiliation against our superstar from last year and our old head coach.

RIP Seasons of Discontent

by Scott Howard on Jan 9, 2011 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Fair point on the national TV humiliation.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
~Phillip K. Dick

by East Bay Ray on Jan 9, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Nah..it was the late game...

Lot of folks on the east coast were blitzed or asleep…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, I'm thankful!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 9, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

This
This game is going to feel like a support group for teams who lost superstars.

Twitter: @MikeLisboa

by Mike Lisboa on Jan 9, 2011 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Also, Scott...

I have not forgotten about our vodka and Red Bull fueled Ed Hardy Suns night in Scottsdale. But it’ll have to wait until later in the season due to work. Bedazzled Garet Siler jerseys (or Zabian Dowdell?) all around.

Twitter: @MikeLisboa

by Mike Lisboa on Jan 9, 2011 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

So has Amar'e officially become a superstar?

"I'm just like you, but ten times better." - Steve Nash, 2-Time MVP
This is one hilarious video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDVsOVeKFTc

by NashMV3 on Jan 9, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

I think the Suns will win tonight. The Cavs suck offensively and that’s something we’re at least decent at. That’s our one advantage. Of course since I just said that; the Suns are going to miss all their 3’s and have the worst offensive performance of the season.

Don't trade Dudley!

Some people are just like slinkys, they're good for nothing
yet can still manage to put a smile on your face
when pushing them down a flight of stairs.

by Beavis 25 on Jan 9, 2011 11:59 AM MST reply actions  

I wish we had Andy. His 9.7rpg could do wonders for us.

Don't trade Dudley!

Some people are just like slinkys, they're good for nothing
yet can still manage to put a smile on your face
when pushing them down a flight of stairs.

by Beavis 25 on Jan 9, 2011 12:01 PM MST reply actions  

I've liked Varejao for a long time

but now he’d only work in place of Lopez or Gortat. Can’t have all 3 of those guys in the rotation, I don’t think.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 9, 2011 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

I think he would work best on a contender

he’s one of those role players whos value increases 100-fold when they have talented teamates and they just have to do the little things on a contender, rather than big things on a bottom feeder.

by DaveJD on Jan 9, 2011 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Me too.

Always been a Varejao fan…I love his hustle and energy.

by 7footer on Jan 9, 2011 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

varejao is out for the season

by billyjohnson on Jan 9, 2011 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Hope we can cross the magic 100 point line again.

I barely remember what that was like.

RIP Seasons of Discontent

by Scott Howard on Jan 9, 2011 12:11 PM MST reply actions  

Oops, baby hit the keyboard!

Let’s start the season turnaround by hungrily winning by 30 tonight.

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by Frye (of Victoria, Canada) on Jan 9, 2011 1:01 PM MST reply actions  

Let's go SUNS!

yeah, that’s about as excited as I can get now-a-days…

by ArizonaCactus on Jan 9, 2011 1:22 PM MST reply actions  

Sir, you deserve a rec for this...

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, I'm thankful!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 9, 2011 1:36 PM MST up reply actions  

So Gentry's shortening the rotation and starting Carter

Pretty much the antithesis of yesterday’s line-up thread.

by hcblankscreen on Jan 9, 2011 1:27 PM MST reply actions  

the Carter part was 50/50

but 90% of the commenters DID pick 10-11 guys a night.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 9, 2011 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

All I want is a W!!!

The Lakers game game hope.. I started picturing this amazing comeback season. Them Amare shatter it all.. Soo all I want is a lil hope.. Let’s plant the seed of hope again.. Am being a bit over dramatic..

"Hey let's keep the profanity down!" Angels in the outfield

by Aztiramtempe on Jan 9, 2011 1:37 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

Replace a game with gave &

It might make sense..

"Hey let's keep the profanity down!" Angels in the outfield

by Aztiramtempe on Jan 9, 2011 1:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Great post, Wil

Somehow, I feel enthusiastic about tonight, even though my friendly local bowery was out of the $3.99 special…Damn, Damn, Damn!!!

I rerally think a little consistency will go a long way towards improving our spirits and the teams play…

Let’s Go Suns!!!!!

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, I'm thankful!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 9, 2011 1:39 PM MST reply actions  

what does one get for 3.99?

im stuck with half a bottle of chardonnay and half a bottle of red….i bought the chardonnay by mistake, swear to jesus.

i may have to make a run to get some real alcohol, GB Vs. Phila sounds great.

Blogging Suns Basketball. Twitter: @willcantrellphx

by Wil Cantrell on Jan 9, 2011 2:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Black & White Label, baby...

Goes down like shit, comes up even worse…

I have gotta pick up some more T-Bird before next weekend….

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, I'm thankful!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 9, 2011 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

The Cavaliers are poor offensively (they were even with LeBron James), but do they at least play good defense?

by 8472species on Jan 9, 2011 1:43 PM MST reply actions  

i believe the preview speaks to this.

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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 9, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I know

sometimes I really wonder if species reads the whole article before asking a question

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 9, 2011 2:30 PM MST up reply actions  

he doesn't. isn't the first time.

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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 9, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Who are the Suns playing tonight?

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
~Phillip K. Dick

by East Bay Ray on Jan 9, 2011 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Their practice squad...

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, I'm thankful!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 9, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions  

alvin will shorten the rotation and leave guys out?

hmm….how about doing what we did last season:

Have Dragic – Dudley – Peaches – Warrick/JChill – Polish Hammer come off the bench as a UNIT?

That should be a good defensive 2nd UNIT.

by sonicking on Jan 9, 2011 1:50 PM MST reply actions  

I completely agree!

I stated the same thing in a past post. The reason our bench was so good last year… they were a UNIT. They played a completely different style than the starter, they got after it, and had amazing chemistry. If it aint broke, don’t fix it. I would love to see this happen and then you can gauge who’s hot and who’s not.

by Stealth1188 on Jan 9, 2011 2:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Here's the full Gentry quote on that

“Last year, we could play guys whenever we wanted to, who was going good, things like that. I think I’ve got to find a way to develop some consistency in the rotations and who’s going to play and when they’re going to play and them have a good feel as to when they’re going to come in the game and stuff like that. This team’s not a team that can play ten guys. I do understand that now. There’s going to be three, four guys that are not going to be in the rotation.”

Basically, he’s saying he tried what worked last year and it’s not working this year.

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by Seth Pollack on Jan 9, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Gentry said 3-4 guys will get left out, so that leaves Dudley, Gortat and Dragic as the consistent bench players by my assumption.That means an 8-9 man rotation for the next 10 games. Not sure who that 9th guy will be. Warrick, Pietrus or Childress?

Don't trade Dudley!

Some people are just like slinkys, they're good for nothing
yet can still manage to put a smile on your face
when pushing them down a flight of stairs.

by Beavis 25 on Jan 9, 2011 1:55 PM MST reply actions  

perhaps depending on matchup and team need?

id really like to see a healthy J Chill get consistent minutes. He is more versatile than both War and Mik. He can play D (in theory) and do a lil of everything.

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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 9, 2011 2:04 PM MST up reply actions  

And is he healthy? How’s his broken finger?

by 8472species on Jan 9, 2011 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Suns are -7.26 in FTA/gm since the trade. JRich and Hedo had 2.4 more FTAs/gm than Vince and MP.

Hakim lead the Suns in free throws and is now on the bench.

So, don’t discount lack of free throws in Suns offensive decline. The difference has to come from Carter. 1/gm aint getting it done.

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by Seth Pollack on Jan 9, 2011 2:30 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

it's also about getting opponents in the penalty

we did this actually pretty well against the Knicks, until the wheels fell off and we started settling for outside jumpers in order to come back..

we need to establish some sort of inside game. don’t ask me how, but it needs to happen.

by ArizonaCactus on Jan 9, 2011 2:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Cavs fan here

FTS is deserted after the “Fiasco” this summer, so normally I hang out on opposing blogs during the games. Hope that is all right with you.

About the game…………………………..the Suns are bad, but the Cavs are just so much worse. The only way we win is if Mo drops 30 on you guys, which he might. He is averaging 27 ppg against you guys as a Cav, probably taking advantage of Steve Nash.

Also, you have a ton of wings, and we have none. Want to trade Dudley and a 2nd for Hickson? Could help both of us.

by NewCavsfan on Jan 9, 2011 2:34 PM MST reply actions  

Yeah, I'd consider that trade.

However, we do have one Dudley stalker fan who might not be so open to it.

And, welcome, NewCavsfan. It will be interesting to hear an opposing fan’s viewpoint.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
~Phillip K. Dick

by East Bay Ray on Jan 9, 2011 2:37 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

how about

vince and 2nd for JJ….

by zeze_999 on Jan 9, 2011 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

No way I would ever do that

VC is on his last legs (literally) and the best place for him to get his knees straightened out is with your miracle staff down in AZ.

by NewCavsfan on Jan 9, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

So you're a "New" Cavs fan?

I presume that means you just follow Ryan Hollins around and your loyalty stays with his teams. If that isn’t true don’t correct me.

RIP Seasons of Discontent

by Scott Howard on Jan 9, 2011 2:39 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

injury update

Key Cavaliers injuries: Anderson Varejao, Daniel Gibson, Anthony Parker, Leon Powe, Joey Graham.

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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 9, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

if the suns lose this game

ill post my blow it up story…im just waiting for the right moment.

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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 9, 2011 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

If we lose this game

I’m going to start Photoshoping Jonas Valanciunas and Jav Vesely into Suns unis…actually I’ll probably do that even if we win.

by hcblankscreen on Jan 9, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Seems a little late

Far as I can tell it’s already about as blown up as it can get.

by suns68 on Jan 9, 2011 3:23 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

The Suns would have to get even worse to lose this game. The Cavaliers defend but don’t score (making them the opposite of the Suns)—and half their team is injured!

I’ll feel no pleasure if the Suns win, because do I really want them to kick the * of a team that is coming off being snubbed by its (undeservedly) beloved star? I’m not ruthless.

by 8472species on Jan 9, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Only half of you is welcome..

The left one.. not sure about that right half of your avatar though.

by brian13 on Jan 9, 2011 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

No, but we’ll trade you Pietrus for Hickson?

Don't trade Dudley!

Some people are just like slinkys, they're good for nothing
yet can still manage to put a smile on your face
when pushing them down a flight of stairs.

by Beavis 25 on Jan 9, 2011 4:04 PM MST up reply actions  

We typically can't pencil in wins...

But if we can’t take care of business here then we’re farther behind than I imagined. This could be a good week for us if we can regain confidence in ourselves.

I like that Gentry isn’t stubborn and is trying things out and has made a realization that he needs to stick to something. Hopefully it produces Ws.

by TheAlexSkinner on Jan 9, 2011 2:52 PM MST reply actions  

if having

J-rich as your leading scorer gives you a 30win team, i wonder what the hell having Antwan Jamison does

by suns13 on Jan 9, 2011 3:02 PM MST reply actions  

10 wins................

Jamison shouldnt be our leading scorer though. Our most efficient scorer despite the numbers is Mo WIlliams, but Jamison has just been chucking up shots like no tomorrow recently in an effort to raise stats before trade deadline.

by NewCavsfan on Jan 9, 2011 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Mo vs. Nash will be interesting

Both are terrible defenders, but Nash is an assist guy, while Mo is more of a scorer.

by NewCavsfan on Jan 9, 2011 3:02 PM MST reply actions  

but

nash is still a better scorer than him…

by suns13 on Jan 9, 2011 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Nash has much higher usage, and dribbles around a lot more

All depends on the offense that is run. Nash’s stats are better because you guys run up tempo, and he takes quite a few transition 3s (from what I have seen).

by NewCavsfan on Jan 9, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

true,

nash is much more efficient though

by suns13 on Jan 9, 2011 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

i wont categorize nash as a terrible defender.

he’s certainly not great, and he doesn’t have much athleticism , but he’s smart, has good anticipation, takes a lot of charges.

Usuallt Hill takes on the opponents most dangerous offensive threat.

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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 9, 2011 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

If we lose this game, the panic button and all of our other panic buttons will go off

If we lose, than my hope for our future is lost, and reconstruction would be the only thought on my mind. Sorry for being pessimistic, but losing to the Clippers, 76ers, Kings, AND getting blown out by the Knicks took a significant toll on me…

Start Dudley! Trade Warrick! Trade Lopez!

by TheNYSUN on Jan 9, 2011 3:12 PM MST reply actions  

This Suns team is a disaster....

I could see us completely blowing out the Cavs or getting our asses handed to us. You never know with this team.

I fully expect Mo Williams to have a big game, and I expect Jamison and Hickson are going to give us a lot of problems.

Last year's Phoenix Suns team was like the show "Deadwood." A great thing that ended way too early.

by TheRza82 on Jan 9, 2011 3:12 PM MST reply actions  

agreed

winning really accomplishes nothing, losing brings the squad to new lows. either way it makes little difference.

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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 9, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Just run them out of the arena.

The fast Suns are long gone, which is a shame because that strategy would probably work better now than ever. There are several good, fast slashers whose purpose should be to beat their opponents to the offensive end.

by Humongous on Jan 9, 2011 3:22 PM MST reply actions  

Lets win this one!

How nice would it be if we won a game for a change and not completely embarasss ourselves?! I for one think that the cavs are a terrible team that lacks even a sembelance of talent. Regardless, all the suns reallly have to do is score becauset he cavs are offensively challenged. I think that gentry should try and bring back the ssol b/c sometimes the best defense is your offense, and because the suns have a lot of great transition players. Also, the suns can uphold leads once nash leaves the game-the ssol inflates rebounding numbers because of pace; therefore, the suns wouldnt get crushed in a halfcourt set because if they are busy running and getting in transition there wont be too many reboundst he opposition will be getting

Vince Carter>Jason Richardson

by Bkj on Jan 9, 2011 3:53 PM MST reply actions  

The one aspect of 7SoL that needs to come back is the part where they play loose and have fun.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Jan 9, 2011 4:03 PM MST up reply actions  

The one aspect of 7SoL that needs to come back is the part where they play loose and have fun.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Jan 9, 2011 4:03 PM MST up reply actions  

This is a trap game.

With all the injuries, Cavs are likely to play guys who are hungry, who are on the trading block, who are young, inexperienced, but talented, and players who we are unfamiliar with.
     I’m glad Gentry is shortening the rotations, and I hope he actually does stick with it for a while. While the popular sentiments around here are that player (fill in the blank) sucks – trade him, the smart move would be to get guys who have played well in the past to play well now and into the future. If we have to do it one at a time, great. But there are no gimme games, and we still have a lot of talent. We can still win, if we take care of business. Step one – win tonight, Step 2 -??? Step 3 – steal underpants.
     I know that’s a little out of order, but somehow, it makes perfect sense to me.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Jan 9, 2011 3:59 PM MST reply actions  

Not sure what you're saying there.

We’re still in good shape long term – it’s the short term that looks bleak. We have enough trade exceptions and cap room to make some very good things happen.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Jan 9, 2011 4:30 PM MST up reply actions  

i'll take any win we can get at this point.

even if it’s against a team of eight-year-old girls. progress is progress.

Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"

by u_must_chill on Jan 9, 2011 5:20 PM MST reply actions  

Big W tonight.

I guarantee it. I feel it in my aging bones. We have too much talent to play this poorly any longer. Gentry is too well respected by the players for them to tune him out. The team leaders set too good an example for newcomers to think they can dog it. The Suns pedigree and tradition of excellence will shine through.
We need to keep the collective faith.
That is all. (I don’t do game threads because it detracts from my enjoymnent of the game. Sorta like vidoetaping your kid’s play. Better to just enjoy it first hand.)

by Van2010 on Jan 9, 2011 6:00 PM MST reply actions  

Most awkward game ever...

I really feel for the cavs but i am a suns fan first so, here’s to a great game of competitive basketball.

"From championship contenders to shit... BRAVO!"

by Larfleeze on Jan 9, 2011 6:04 PM MST reply actions  

God, I hope so, Van. If we lose tonight…..

by CallipygianInCali on Jan 9, 2011 6:04 PM MST reply actions  

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