A Return to Contention is Possible(Trade Included)
The Phoenix Suns and Philadelphia 76ers are perfect trade partners. The Suns are an aging Western conference team team whose gaping holes at SG and PF are keeping them out of the playoffs. The Sixers are a young Eastern conference team who have tried to trade Iguodala and have been unable to trade Elton Brand.
Currently the Suns' roster is stacked with bench players besides Nash, Hill, Gortat, Brooks, and Dudley. They aren't rebuilding yet, but also aren't near contending. They look to only get worse as the years go on and will be stuck paying almost 1/4 of the entire payroll on Josh Chilldress, Hakim Warrick, and Channing Frye for at least the next 3 years. Once Nash and Hill retires, the Suns will really be a bad team, without direction, and young talent and stuck in a long rebuild. I don't see a reason why they should not start making deals. Right now they are just in waiting mode, doing nothing and wasting Steve Nash and Grant Hill's last few years. They do have a major asset in Vince Carter's expiring contract and a nice center prospect in Robin Lopez. Warrick is also a moveable piece who can score off the bench, but is a putrid defender and below average rebounder.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3me8rr2
Philadelphia does this trade because as currently constructed, they are a bottom half playoff team in a weak-ish Eastern Conference. There is a couple spots for teams to leap with the Celtics, Magic, and Hawks declining and the time is now for the Sixers or some other team to take them. Philadelphia already has a good young core. By trading away Andre Iguodala and Elton Brand, the Sixers not only clear a ton of cap, but they are opening opportunities for Evan Turner and Thad Young to shine. . Evan Turner would be taking over the role Iguodala had and with the ball in his hands where he could thrive and Young would have the starting role at the 4. I think by giving them the playing time, they will really get better as players and reach their potential. Also trading away Philadelphia's 2 best players, solidifies a top 10 draft position in a historically good one where the Sixers could definitely add at least add another building block. With the money the Sixers would clear with this trade, they could resign Thad Young to a front-loaded contract this offseason and have their core locked up longterm. With all their cap space and a strong young core signed long term, Philadelphia would be one of the most attractive teams to play for with maybe the most to offer.
The Suns do this trade to go for a title one last time. Yes Elton Brand and Andre Iguodala are seriously overpaid but as fans, do you really trust the Suns's management to spend the money they would have wisely or get better with it? They've already shown that given the chance they will make bad decisions last offseason. Robert Sarver is going to try to save money and he is an idiot. After all, the Suns are in no position to be picky. I say this because they have to act fast with team cornerstones Nash and Hill aging. Neither Nash and Hill have anything left to prove and both could retire and be first ballot HOFers, but of course they want another chance at winning and winning a title to end their career. It's very possible that Grant Hill could leave for a contender and no one would blame him. He resigned with the Suns last year and they failed to resign Amare' and the team was worse because of it. He wasn't making a ton of money either, he was very underpaid for all he brought to the team.He's near the end of his career though he's still an incredibly valuable player and of course wants to go to a contender and the opportunities are there. In order to keep both him and Nash in Phoenix, the Suns have to show they can win and provide both players with a real chance at titles. Without Hill the Suns become even bleaker and maybe the Suns finally decide to go into full rebuild mode. At least with this trade the Suns are locked in to contend for at least the next few years.
The Suns are trading four mediocre players and getting back maybe the 76ers two best players last year too. I understand Elton Brand has been injured previous years, but he didn't miss a single game to injury last season and played great in both the regular season and playoffs. Without him, there would be no playoffs for Philadelphia. I think he's already regained some athleticism and explosiveness and is still coming back from his injury. He's proved he cana still be a big positive difference maker on both ends and I believe he can keep it up for the duration of his contract.
The starting lineup would be very strong defensively with two all defensive team members in Grant Hill and Iguodala. Plus they could hide Nash's weaknesses as a defender and would have rebounding and protection up front with two shot blockers and good defenders in Brand and Gortat. With Nash. Of course the offense is going to be stellar either way and he would have a terrific slasher/ rim attacker and one of the best ball handling wing in Iguodala. Add a low post scorer/pick and pop player in Elton Brand and the offense is a lot better. The Sun's bench also would be strong spearheaded by one of the league's best role players in Jared Dudley and Aaron Brooks who will get to the line and score the ball. Channing Frye also is the first big off the bench and is very valuable in his own right.I still think Josh Childress will have a comeback year too. He rebounds, defends, and handles the ball well and can score with cuts to the basket. I think with this trade the Suns are a top five team with experience that could make some noise in the playoffs.
This trade really works out great for both teams which is the idea of any trade.
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Nice post
I actually think this trade could be in the realms of possibility, unlike most proposed trades. The 76rs get rid of brand and call it even by losing iguodala, they get a native in Hak, a centre with potential they have been searching for in Lopez and cash saving deals in Carter and Pietrus. Might need a pick to solidify the trade for 76rs though.
I think it is a reasonable deal for both, and at least makes sense. Suns get their post player and their shooting guard scorer as well as Iggy and Hill being good defenders, and 76rs get cap room and will be able to draft a decent player after a bad season or maybe two if the suns trade their pick.
Carter having a glazed-eyes contest with Boris Diaw. Carter's winning, but Diaw might respond by eating his eyes.
Dear Jebus...
please let this trade happen. Although, i am a little bit iffy on Brand. His production has been down as of late. injury bug bit him too hard perhaps or is it age? i dunno. Well who cares, as long as it gets Nash a SG who can hold his ground.
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It would be a nice idea
im not sure if it would be worth it though for more than 1 year cause nash and brand are both so old
Even if there was no lockout, it's just too much money to take back.
If we were LA, then yeah, Sarver could risk doing this, but then he might have well just paid Amar’e Stoudemire.
Don't trade Dudley!
Nice work though, I think Philly would go for this
Because they did say they’re willing to give up Iggy for whoever takes Brand off their hands.
Don't trade Dudley!
me likey
easy to imagine that team being the #1 offense again. Could also see iggy’s ppg a career high, and Brand can do well here i think. The point was made though, if the fronnt office pulls this then youve gotta wonder why they wouldnt have preferred to resign STAT: Surely a couple (at least) healthy years of Amare is better than iggy and what, 2 years of brand?
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by SuperSteve on Oct 3, 2011 11:30 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Nice idea but not sure how long Nash will be around.
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with a shortened season,
There’s no way these two additions could gel in time for them to become good IMO
Channing Frye would NEVER catch flying french fries with his left hand!
hmmm
I have wanted iguadola on the suns for quite some time. especially because I am a UofA alumni.
First off. Iggy was rumored to be traded for cap relief alone. In that senario we could package something that wouldn’t give us brand. We have the available contracts to give.
Secondly, look at the team we have with iggy on the floor.
1) nash
2)Iggy
3)hill
4)Fry
5) gortat
While hill can shoot the 3 ball he is by no means a specialist. In fact our only 3 point shooters are nash and fry in this scenario. This would further leave our high paid childress out of the rotation even if we do get rid of Hill. there just would be no spacing for nash’s style of play. It gets even worse if you are trying to replace fry with brand in the starting lineup.
I’d offer Pietrus (they need a SG to take Iggy’s spot), Lopez (They want a young center back) and our 2012 1st round pick (That’s the main reason other than cap space for doing this deal). I know that’d be a tough sacrifice, but if we can get Iggy with for this price, then I’d do it. This does not work in the trade machine, we’d have to cut over 3mill more, but I’d hope that we could afford Iggy’s contract when VC is bought out.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4×8ryxf
Don't trade Dudley!
I like that starting lineup too.
Iggy is a guy I believe would flourish playing next to Nash. We need to become a better fast break team too and he could help with that.
Plus, it puts Dudley on the bench with Brooks (hoping he’s resigned), then Chill and Lawal/Warrick as well as Siler/Morris. I think Morris could play backup center for us, like Frye did a couple years ago. He looks strong enough to compete with the backup C’s in the league. I don’t think he’d be outmatched.
Don't trade Dudley!
You forgot to mention a certain two time mvp
with a career average of around 43% from deep
Carter having a glazed-eyes contest with Boris Diaw. Carter's winning, but Diaw might respond by eating his eyes.
That was meant to be a reply to meeeh
Carter having a glazed-eyes contest with Boris Diaw. Carter's winning, but Diaw might respond by eating his eyes.
It was a reply to him
And he did mention it..
In fact our only 3 point shooters are nash and fry in this scenario
Re-sign BAMF.

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