How The Phoenix Suns Can Get Better Without Losing Steve Nash
by 7footer on Nov 28, 2011 12:31 PM MST
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With the new CBA all but agreed upon and the lockout finally ending, the discussions can finally leave the courthouse and return back to the arena! The shortened 66 game 2011-2012 season is now rapidly approaching with the beginning of training camp and free agency slated to begin on Dec 9th. This is only about two weeks away from now, and about two weeks after that will be the start of the regular season on Christmas Day...So expect a flurry of activity as soon as the flood gates open and teams look to shore up their rosters quickly. The Phoenix Suns will also undoubtedly be participants in the forthcoming feeding frenzy that is rapidly approaching, so where exactly do they stand right now and what are their options?
One of the more popular notions is that the Suns will seek a trade by using their most valuable asset of all, Steve Nash. However, with Nash being just about the only draw left to generate revenue through merchandising and ticket sales, it's hard to believe that Sarver would entertain the idea of allowing Steve to leave before his contract is up. So assuming that Steve Nash remains in Phoenix this season, who are some of the players the Suns could be looking at to either trade for or sign using their available exceptions to help make them better?
As our own prolific writer Mr. Alex Laugan pointed out earlier, the new CBA classifies the Phoenix suns as a Cap Team because we currently have a payroll between $58-70 million with the eight players who are currently under contract (Nash, Dudley, Childress, Warrick, Frye, Gortat, Lopez, Pietrus) plus Carter's $4mill buyout, as well as cap holds of an additional $18 million for free agents and rookies we have yet to sign (Grant Hill, Aaron Brooks, Markieff Morris, etc...). This means that the only way we can add players to our roster is through trades, one Mid-Level Exception, one Bi-Annual Exception, Bird-rights Exceptions, and Minimum Salary Exceptions.
This means the Suns can throw any top-tier free agent signings out of the window. Free agents like Nene, Marc Gasol, DeAndre Jordan, and Samuel Dalembert are all likely to command substantial salaries or look to play with possible contenders...So they probably aren't realistic options for the Suns and they will not be mentioned below. Instead, if the Suns want to acquire a nice complementary piece to help out their aging superstar, they will have to get creative using the above options. There are still plenty of ways to bring in talented players that could help the Suns return to their winning ways...Here are a few of the names the Suns could realistically be interested in and why:
Free Agents (Unrestricted and Restricted):
**Sign-and-trades could also be used on free agents in order to bypass using the exceptions
Aaron Brooks (PG, RFA) - the Suns have made a qualifying offer on Brooks and will retain his rights if he comes back from China. This is a very weak free agency for point guards, so Brooks is likely their best bet to back up Nash this season.
Sebastian Telfair (PG, UFA) - If Aaron Brooks stays in China or is offered more money elsewhere than the Suns are comfortable paying, he could be the next best option. He would also come relatively cheap and could be signed using either a Bi-Annual Exception or part of the MLE.
Arron Afflalo (SG, RFA) - Signing Arron Afflalo would probably be the best move the Suns could make this year, realistically, other than re-signing Grant Hill. Afflalo possesses the perfect skill set for Phoenix's offense, and the Suns are in need of another SG to help fill the void of Jason Richardson. Denver may not let him get away though.
Shannon Brown (SG, UFA) - Brown offers something that the Suns were desperately in need of last year, a spark to their offense. His athleticism and explosiveness would help bring back some life to a team that is still searching for a replacement for Marion and now J-Rich. It's hard to say if he would fill the role of a starter fort the Suns or if he would be better suited to come off the bench like he did in L.A., but he can be a difference maker that the Suns so desperately need.
Grant Hill (SF, UFA) - This is a no-brainer. The Suns could use the Bird-Rights exception and both parties seem interested in continuing the relationship...That is if Boston or Miami doesn't try to steal him away.
Josh McRoberts (PF, UFA) - McRoberts is a player who could be on the verge of a breakout year. He's only 23 years old and since being drafted in 2007 he has continually improved each season in nearly every category. Last year with the Pacers he averaged just over 20min per game for the first time in his career, and put up some respectable numbers: 7.4pts & 5.3rbs while averaging a .547 FG% and shooting a respectable .383% from beyond the arc as well. He has a skill set that would be very complementary to the Suns' style of offense, and could be had for less than the MLE.
Glen "Big Baby" Davis (PF/C, UFA) - One thing Big Baby doesn't lack is passion and energy, two qualities that both the Suns and the fanbase greatly admire and covet. Davis was a very effective bench player for the Celtics during his time there. He is an able scorer and rebounder and he can also provide some much needed defense in the post as well. Phoenix may be interested in Davis if they plan on trading Robin Lopez.
* Possible Amnesty Clause casualties who could be on the Suns radar, for the right price, if they are released: Mehmet Okur (C), Marvin Williams (PF), Beno Udrih (PG)
Possible Trades for players currently under contract:
(Disclaimer...This is pure speculation/rosterbation. These are not actual rumors, but rather guesses at possible moves based on needs of this team and players who are rumored to be tradable by other teams.) p.s. The trade machine works but pay no attention to the Hollinger's Analysis portion which appears to be on the fritz.
Robin Lopez, Mickael Pietrus, and a 2nd round pick for Michael Beasley - The Suns are looking to move Pietrus who has not been a good fit, and Lopez after his less than stellar season post back injury and the addition of Gortat. Minnesota already has Kevin Love and now Derek Williams so Beasley will likely be the odd man out. Lopez still has trade value as a young 7-foot plus player with untapped potential, and Pietrus could add scoring and perimeter defense for Minnesota. Beasley gives the Suns a dynamic scoring threat to pair with Nash and added rebounding that Phoenix needs from the forward position. This trade works for both teams.
Robin Lopez & Hakim Warrick for OJ Mayo - Memphis has been looking to trade OJ Mayo who has been a poor fit, and Phoenix would like to trade Lopez who is still young and semi-valuable and Warrick who has not found a niche with the Suns but who could fit with the Grizzlies for a team looking to add more size and scoring. Memphis would get a young, defensive 7-footer with potential and highlight-reel dunker, and Phoenix gets a young and talented starter at the SG position who can create his own shot and play efficient defense. This trade could help both teams.
...and last but not least
Robin Lopez, Jared Dudley, and Mickael Pietrus for Monta Ellis - Ok, this is a bit of a stretch but let's look at it. It's no secret that Ellis and Curry haven't been a good fit on the floor together, and when they are the two best players on the team, that creates a problem. Rumors have surrounded Golden State in regard to the possibility of shopping Ellis, and although new head coach Mark Jackson claims to want to keep him, doing so wouldn't make a lot of sense. Many other teams are reportedly interested in Ellis, but Phoenix may have the right mix of players to get a deal done.
- Why does it help Phoenix? Because Ellis is one of the most prolific scorers in the league and can create his own shot. This is important to help take some of the pressure off Nash in the coming season as well as give the Suns a star player after Nash retires. Phoenix appears ready to move on from Lopez after acquiring Gortat last season, and Pietrus has not been a good fit. Losing Dudley would certainly hurt, but the addition of an elite scorer like Ellis would be a move that the Suns couldn't pass up.
- Why does this help the Warriors? Other than Biedrins the Warriors don't have a legit big man, and Robin Lopez fills this void. This would let them move David Lee back to PF which is his natural position, and if Lopez returns to pre-back injury form they could have a top WC big man who is perfect for their style of play. The addition of Jared Dudley would be another huge benefit for them, giving them scoring and 3-point shooting as well as energy and defense. Mickael Pietrus was successful during his time in Golden State and his return would likely be welcomed and could help them with scoring and defense from the wing position.
These are just a few of the possibilities that the Suns could consider, and there are many other options that will be looked at as well. Like the free agent signings above, none of the most highly sought after trades were considered, because the Suns are not a realistic destination at this point for players like Josh Smith, Chris Paul, or Deron Williams. Instead, the Suns are much more likely to trade for complementary pieces like the ones mentioned above...but they can still make marked improvements with the right deal. If these trades don't appeal to you, then feel free to propose your own in the comment section below. Let the rosterbation begin!!!
[Note by Wil Cantrell, 11/29/11 8:49 AM MST ]
Sorry to pop in here and pollute 7-footer's pristine post, , but I thought this nice list of both restricted and unrestricted free agents could assist the "rosterbation" process:
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Side note
Only found out about this today
only teams under the salary cap can submit a bid for amnesty players at which currently are 19 teams.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-the-top-15-nba-free-agents/
its the last article on the link above
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Very interesting...
Seems like the small market owners got a victory in terms of competitive balance on that one.
I think all the talk about amnesty players is mostly talk. Paying a player to not play for your team seems like only a strategy that a top tier team would use in order to sign another free agent.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Nov 28, 2011 3:55 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t think this article is accurate. “Cap holds” count, and most of those teams have enough cap holds to put them over the cap, just like the Suns. They could renounce their free agents to get down to those numbers if they wanted, though.
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Ah the ol' lets trade for Michael Beasley chestnut
I still believe in this as a working idea and that he can be an all-star caliber offensive player in the NBA (defense and rebounding is another matter).
If his personal problems don’t go away playing with Nash/Hill then they will never go away.
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RIP Seasons of Discontent
Arizona is not weed friendly.
Maybe Nash and Grant with their organic foods lifestyle can find him a safe hookup and some clean pee.
really?
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
Oh hell yeah...
I'm Michael Beasley's imaginary friend.
by suns68 on Nov 28, 2011 9:02 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
only way
Suns get to the playoffs this year is with trades.
to be honest i am suprised no one is talking about trading away VC contract like how Dallas traded away Eric Dampier for Tyson Chandler
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Good point...
I think the reason it hasn’t been talked about more is because it was reported that we weren’t going to trade Carter’s contract, but instead we would buy him out for the $4mil.
I agree though, it seems like we should at least attempt to field offers for Carter’s contract to see what we could get for it.
by 7footer on Nov 28, 2011 1:29 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
you find me one
team that would be willing to pay Vince Carter $18m to play basketball this year…not happening
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2011 2:28 PM MST up reply actions
i dont know
about VC contract specifics but cant he not be bought out for $4m dollars?
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Yeah, this is what I meant as well...
It’s not that Carter would be traded to a team willing to pay him $18mil, but so that they could wipe $14mil in salary off their books. We would like to do this as well, but their could be a team more desperate for the salary relief who would be willing to trade us some talent in exchange for the buyout.
by 7footer on Nov 28, 2011 2:43 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
right
so a team that has $14m (in one yr) salary that they are so anxious to get rid they would be willing to take back VC and pay him $4m to go away?
Who is this mystery player(s) of such quality that their current team are dying to get rid of him/them?
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2011 7:20 PM MST up reply actions
To dump or not to dump, that is the question.
Whether it is better in the salary to suffer
the guns and crazy of Gilbert Arenas,
Or the philandering of Andrei Kirilenko,
And by opposing to drop them: to tax, to profit
No more;
by waxmonkey on Nov 28, 2011 7:38 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Elton Brand, but...
OK, seriously though, would you rather have Vince Carter or Gilbert Arenas?
Don't trade Dudley!
So Gilbert then?
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by jc79 on Nov 29, 2011 11:31 AM MST up reply actions 6 recs
Are you trying to start something? lol
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
I think I saw this week that the Suns’ deadline to guarantee the 18 mil or buy out for 4 mil is at least 1 day before free agency. I think that puts Carter out of the running, unless the Suns think someone will pay 18 mil
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that
and there’s no possible trade for Carter that makes sense…also
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2011 8:31 PM MST up reply actions
Sure there is
We git rid of Nash, trade carter for Agent 0 and we’ve got our next franchise player! Don’t worry bout his knees, our training staff will buff those scratches right out.
Don't trade Dudley!
Get Deron Williams. Besiktas retired his number
HE’S GOING INTO HALL OF FAME!
That’s right Telfair is unrestricted.
A backup PG is now a must with Brooks in China. Telfair is the best we could do unless Udrih becomes available.
Sign him, resign Grant, amnesty Warrick and trade for Beasley. I would even entertain signing McRoberts if we lose Lopez in the Beas deal. I’m not sure if all that is possible.
One more thing. You think we could pry Wes Johnson as well from Minny if we give them Childress? I know it seems
like a bad deal for them, but aren’t they one of the teams who needs to spend money just to spend money? The reason I’d want to do that is because losing Pietrus leaves us short at SG while Beasley creates a logjam at the forward spot.
Also, Afflalo will likely be out of our reach. If Denver doesn’t resign him he’s likely going to Chicago. They need a starting SG real bad.
I wouldn’t mind the trades for Ellis and Mayo.
Good work 7footer.
Don't trade Dudley!
English nerd alert
Resign – 1. To submit (oneself) passively; accept as inevitable: I resigned myself to a long wait in line.
2. To give up (a position, for example), especially by formal notification.
3. To relinquish (a privilege, right, or claim). See Synonyms at relinquish.
v.intr.
To give up one’s job or office; quit, especially by formal notification: resign from a board of directors.
Re-sign – To sign again. “Will the Suns re-sign Grant Hill?”
Sadly, I’ve resigned myself to the reality that people will continue to get this wrong.
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by East Bay Ray on Nov 28, 2011 1:55 PM MST up reply actions
I see what you did they're
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by East Bay Ray on Nov 28, 2011 1:59 PM MST up reply actions
HEY!
It’s been 7 months. I’m a little rusty. Plus, It’s been so long since I truley rosterbated that I’m just too excited to make sure my English is correct. Entienden?
Don't trade Dudley!
Not picking on you, Beavis.
It’s just one of my pet peeves and I see it all the time.
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by East Bay Ray on Nov 28, 2011 2:00 PM MST up reply actions
But I will pick on you for advocating trading Dudley, given your sig line :-)
For Monta freaking Ellis, of all people.
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by East Bay Ray on Nov 28, 2011 2:49 PM MST up reply actions
I resigned myself to accept misspellings a couple years ago. It’s easier that way.
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Yeah, I generally do, but that one drives me nuts.
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by East Bay Ray on Nov 28, 2011 8:58 PM MST up reply actions
Save yourself some suffering
and just ignore all my mistakes. I can’t help it.
Soo, it turns out I was right!!! Kinda disappointed now..
by Aztiramtempe on Nov 30, 2011 7:57 PM MST up reply actions
me2, EBR, but almost everything on the internet these days includes lots of mistakes, even the articles.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
A few of my thoughts:
- Lopez regressed with a bad back (he came back too soon to play in the playoff’s and then the training camp soon after the 2010 playoff’s). This long break should have helped Lopez. Suns would be better off showcasing the better Lopez (I believe there is) than trading him just like that.
- Time and again, I have seen Suns fans (and perhaps the FO) find more faults in their own players as they know them that much better and hence not adequately value their own players and If the Suns do make a trade with and make trades with that mindset. And we end up offering more than we should.
- Like the idea of getting Afflalo at starting SG and Shannon Brown at PG (coming off the bench).
- Definitely have to re-sign Grant Hill. Especially if the Suns are looking at trading some stable players for young (and if Nash is included).
- If Suns are looking to Minnesota for a PF then it should be for Derrick Williams.
- Suns should look at trading Carter for a player, perhaps we can get someone decent (plus perhaps draft picks) from a team who is looking to salary dump.
Couple trades I had in mind:
Trade1:
Nash + Hakim Warrick to Lakers
Pau Gasol + Derek Fisher to Sacramento (they only have about $30M in salary so they need to add more salary).
Tyreke Evans + Thornton/Cousins to the Suns
Trade 2 (Depending on what the Suns get Thornton or Cousins in trade 1) and if the SUNS can showcase Lopez:
Lopez + Pietrus for Derrick Williams + rights to swap 2012 round 1 pick + 2012 round 2 pick
OR Lopez + Markieff Morris for Monta Ellis
Time and again, I have seen Suns fans (and perhaps the FO) find more faults in their own players as they know them that much better and hence not adequately value their own players and If the Suns do make a trade with and make trades with that mindset. And we end up offering more than we should.
Think the opposite might be more true.
I would LOVE trading for Derrick Williams
After watching him in March Madness last year, I can tell he’s going to be a star.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
That post started off nice, but those 2 trades that you posted are complete fairyland. There is no way that anything close to those 2 trades could ever happen in any reality.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 11:02 AM MST up reply actions
Yes that would be great if that happened
Realively more realistic trades would be:
Lakers: Vince Carter + Hakim Warrick + Lopez
Sacramento: Pau Gasol + right to Brooks +
Suns: Tyreke Evans (or Cousins) + Ebanks + Darius Morris + Paul Milsap + 2012 Round 2 pick from Sacramento and one of the lower Round 2 picks from Lakers
Utah: Suns Round 1 pick 2013/2014 (or Dudley)
If Suns get Cousins then do a sign and trade with Detroit for Stuckey for Pietrus.
Oh, I get it. You’re kidding. I thought you were serious. You had me for a minute!
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 2, 2011 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
Any possibility
the Lakers would provide Gasol for Carter’s contract? Can they buy him out for the $4m to help get them back out of the luxury tax? Seems like they may need to shed, and there were so many complaints about Pau. He’d be a great PF next to Gortat and Nash. Am I just completely dreaming??
I like most of your trade scenarios above, but can’t imagine how lousy our defense would be with Ellis. And, really, can he help us much more than Dudley? Sure, he could probably give us that 4th Q punch we’ve been looking for- but he’d put us in the need for that punch that much more.
The other trades would be good, I think. I’m still pro-Beasley’s game. But he seriously lost me last season and the summer with his attitude. So, that one is a complete gamble.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Nov 28, 2011 1:55 PM MST via mobile reply actions
No way the Lakers deal a good player to us
we’re division rivals, and they still remember being ousted from the playoffs several times earlier this decade.
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dude
whatever you are dreaming on, please share
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2011 8:32 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously. I need some of the ganja these folks are on!
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 11:04 AM MST up reply actions
One of the last things I want to see on a Suns site is....
Michael Beasley….unless its somebody dunking on him or something. I’ve expressed multiple times in the past how much I dont want this dude on the team. But, to be honest, it was a chemistry and discipline thing. If the young man has grown into a mature fellow with a good work ethic and all that jazz then MAYBE I’ll entertain the notion. But for real, no Beasley. Please.
I feel what you're saying, but consider this:
If the Suns choose not to trade MVSteve, which seems likely, we will be bad team the next few years. We will be in dire need of talent. I totally understand you being sceptical, but the Suns are desperate. A failed attempt of getting Beasley wont mean much seeing we already haven’t got a lot to lose these next few years. We’d still be a bad team…
So, for the upside, we have a great example in the Grizzlies. They were a bad team, but took a chance on a wild horse, Zach Randolph. He ended up being amazing, and took Memphis to the playoffs even without Rudy Gay. If Beasley could do anything close to this, the Suns would profit from it.
Great points Lompe!
You expressed the same thoughts I was alluding to in writing this article. If we refuse to trade Nash there are still some ways we can possibly still dramatically improve over last season, but we are going to have to enter into some high risk, high reward scenarios to do so.
You can’t get much more high risk, high reward than Beasely, OJ, or Ellis…All of these players could drag us deeper into the hole for sure. But these are exactly the type of trades that have the potential to pay off with the biggest dividends as well. I think this is the type of gamble we are going to need to take if we want to give ourselves another chance to compete while we still have Nash on the roster.
by 7footer on Nov 28, 2011 6:35 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I completely agree, 7ft. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Great, fair article, and I would so totally do any of those moves if the opportunity presented itself!
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
Moves like these are probably more realistic than trading Nash and blowing the team up.
Whether that’s the right thing to do or not is another issue, but it seems to me that Sarver and Babby have made it clear that they don’t have the stomach for unloading Nash and fielding a terrible team.
I like the Mayo deal best here. Yeesh, Beasley. A picture truly is worth a thousand words. I mean, look at the guy. He’ll continue to grow and mature somewhat, I guess, but I’m pretty sure he’s a guy who will always be a knucklehead and will probably never be a winner.
My first visit to Basketball Reference since the lockout tells me that Beasley’s big raw stats last year were hollow and his advanced stats were terrible. He’s an inefficient volume shooter who is poor at defense and rebounding. Yuck. No, thanks.
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I agree on the Mayo deal
I like this one the best of all. I don’t like giving up Dudley for a SG who is terrible on defense (I know he has a great offensive skill-set(Ellis)) and Beasley clearly has his own personal problems. I really hope this Mayo trade is discussed between the Suns FO because I like that deal for both teams, TBH.
We should have acquired Mayo at the trade deadline. They wanted to get rid of him for peanuts. Now, even if they do, they’ll be asking for more after the way he played in the playoffs. Dammit.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, I know what you mean
Why did you have to go and play well in the playoffs OJ! It was pretty funny how awkward it was for OJ though when the trade fell through to I believe it was Indiana?
Yeah. Pretty sure it was Indiana. Man, oh man. smh
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 5:01 PM MST up reply actions
Same could be said for Mayo
I be’d OK with either, but I’d prefer Beasley. I can really see him thriving with Nash.
Don't trade Dudley!
Just thought this...
Yeesh, Beasley. A picture truly is worth a thousand words. I mean, look at the guy. He’ll continue to growand maturemarijuana somewhat, I guess, but I’m pretty sure he’s a guy who will always be a knucklehead and will probably never be a winner.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Nov 29, 2011 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Memphis would like Lopez.
In the Mayo deal, they’d be getting decent backups for both their big men. They already had a strong frontline but with this deal they get backup big men who can contribute and rest up Z-Bo and Gasol.
Even in his regressed form, Lopez should provide more than Thabeet ever did. Great use of a #2 pick btw.
I will love Steve Nash... forever and always.
This team definitely needs to grab a PG somehow
Whether that be through FA or through a trade. Dowdell is not capable of giving the team enough stability to spell the minutes Nash will need (at least, in order to stay healthy). My preference would be Telfair or, if Urdih is on the market snag him. Just please, somehow, get a capable backup for Nash so he isn’t killing himself out there.
wonder if that Dragic kid
in Houston is any good?
They have three PGs now with Lowry, Jonny Flynn and Dragic. Plus they have Courtney Lee and Terrance Williams who both handle the ball and they have Kevin Martin who never passes the ball
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2011 2:33 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I heard he's been Killing it...
Sorry, couldn’t resist…
In all seriousness though I believe Courtney Lee is on the market so that’s a real possibility.
by 7footer on Nov 28, 2011 2:36 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Courtney Lee
is someone the SUNS should go after in trade or when he is up for free agency.
its my dream for him and Seth Curry be the back court duo for the suns for many years to come.
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Oooh
Nice name drop there. This is also something I would advocate. Seth, can you really see Dragic coming back after the FO just dumped him off last season? I am not saying it can’t happen but I am not sure how the relationship is between these two parties.
no…can’t see it happening if only b/c of how dumb it would make the FO look
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2011 7:21 PM MST up reply actions
and it only cost a 23rd overall draft pick!
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2011 7:47 PM MST up reply actions
Would there really be a possibility of him coming back to Phoenix?
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Nov 28, 2011 2:51 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, I'm not.
I’m actually not sure I’d want him back in Phoenix.
I think it would be sort of awkward.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Nov 28, 2011 9:47 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, there’s some cruel people on here teasing her like that!
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
Get Nick Young or Tony Allen!
Probably too coveted to get with what the Suns have to offer. They desperately need a SG though.
B-eazy would never last in AZ with its never ending supply of excess Cali chronic and empty suburb grow factories. He’d be bum rushed by Sheriff Joe on his first late night visit to AM/PM.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Nov 28, 2011 3:11 PM MST reply actions
Good names, Ollie. I agree. And you’re probably right about Beaz, lol.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
Since
i have talked about trading VC without giving a example of a trade, here are 2 suggestions.
i think you can trade VC contract and have the other team aquiring him and buy him out for $4m since thats how the Eric Dampier for Tyson Chandler trade worked last season.
1. Trade to Detroit for Richard Hamilton (6ft7 Age33), works on trade machine. Detroit would not have to pay him $25m for the next two years ($12.5m each year), or pay him if they decide to amnesty him. Hamilton has a very good jumpshot, has won a ring and maybe the training staff can get a bit more out of him ala Nash and Hill.
2.The more risque trade to Clevland for Baron Davis(6ft3 Age 32), the Step Brother of Steve Nash ( Click the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSd4WZ72P9U). He is owed $13.9m and $14.7m this year and next a total of $28.6m. The CAVS drafted PG Kyrie Irving and have backup PG Ramon Sessions on the roster. it would help the Suns have another starting level PG on the team and hey you never know Hardliners Sarvar and Dan Gilbert can maybe thrash out a deal.
I would prefer Hamilton but i dont think either happens, leave your own suggestions below.
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I'm a fan of acquiring Davis
but I’m thinking he’ll be amnestied and go to one of the cellar dwelling teams for $4M / year
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The Suns would definitely have the most enjoyable PR videos with the two of them on the team.
On the off chance anyone missed this absolute gem:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/b0441b51b1/steve-nash-and-baron-davis-are-step-brothers-from-yoyoyo
Why Bother?
He’ll be a amnesty waive for sure.
by MMotherwell on Nov 28, 2011 11:57 PM MST up reply actions
You think Baron Davis is going to clear waivers when
all another team has to do is put in a $2M claim for him? Not a chance.
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Yes, or to the Lakers somehow, lol.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
Boy, you crazy
Hamilton would be great if we got him on a cheap amnesty deal- but not at that much money. That would be craaazy.
Baron Davis AND Steve Nash on a team?? Sounds like fun to watch. But they both deserve lots of playing time, or they’d have to play together, which is just too crazy to work….I think. And, again- only worth it as a cheap post-amnesty deal. Otherwise, also craaazy.
I like the players, but we can’t take their current contracts as-is. And as stated here by someone else, Davis will probably end up signing with a contender after amnesty for low-ball money, someone like Miami. bummer.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Nov 28, 2011 6:46 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Due to the waiver-wire nature of the amnesty
only teams UNDER the cap will be able to pick him up that way, unless he clears the entire waiver. So he’s soon going to be point guard #6 for the Timberwolves.
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or Hornets
or a back up in Sacramento or Washington or Indiana or Memphis (especially if they need to dump Mayo)
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2011 7:25 PM MST up reply actions
Pretty sure Baron's
worn out his welcome with the Hornets. He started there, remember?
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lol
that was like three owners and five coaches ago?
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2011 8:23 PM MST up reply actions
And one city ago?
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by East Bay Ray on Nov 28, 2011 8:59 PM MST up reply actions
Stevie and Baron
would rip it up together! Too much chemistry for it not to work lol
The Red Baron won't have that.
Davis had a body that only a diet high in frozen pizza content can sculpt.
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by Jim Coughenour on Nov 29, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
wait
so you want to trade a broke down, non-productive player on an expiring deal ($4m) for the privilege of paying Rip Hamilton $25m or Baron Davis $28m?
Really?
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2011 7:24 PM MST up reply actions
I'm encouraged by these crazy trade ideas.
Because they mean the lockout is truly ending and we are back to normal.
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by East Bay Ray on Nov 28, 2011 9:01 PM MST up reply actions
Surely you could do better, wax.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONED!!!!!
I will love Steve Nash... forever and always.
I think both those guys are very available, but I would rather do just about anything else than acquire those two knuckleheads. No work ethic at all. You’d get more out of Beasley.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
What About Kris Humpries?
He had a good year for NJN, he’s young (26) and he’d actually fill a hole (the 4 and rebounding), and hopefully come cheap, thanks to Kim Kardashian.
All we need to improve is to get ourselves a frontcourt player who is average(ish), and then a bench that can be productive when Nash sits.
Nash
Dudley
Hill
Humpries
Gortat
Is a pretty solid starting lineup, and with Markieff, Lopez and Hak on the bench, we’d have good front court reserves, and plenty of space to cover fouls. Then we just need a backup 1/2 and we’d be a solid playoff team, with the potential to surprise.
Oh yeah, I forgot that he's a FA
I hear the Nets are looking to bring him back, so we’d need to be offering some good money.
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beyond our money range, probably.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Nov 28, 2011 6:41 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
unless Sarver has decided to spend like crazy all of a sudden.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Nov 28, 2011 6:42 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
he isn’t allowed to, per any CBA in the past 15 years
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Love that this is a point to be seriously analyzed:
hopefully come cheap, thanks to Kim Kardashian.
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by Scott Howard on Nov 28, 2011 6:28 PM MST up reply actions
You beat me to the punch there.
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by East Bay Ray on Nov 28, 2011 7:11 PM MST up reply actions
Best Double Entendre I've thopught of in a while ;)
:)
by MMotherwell on Nov 28, 2011 11:56 PM MST up reply actions
lol, definitely! Not much cheaper than a Kardashian!
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
I was going to include Kris Humphries, but...
From what I read he will be seeking anywhere from an $9-10 mil contract, and that is a little too rich for our blood. I was surprised that he could command so much in free agency after one good season, but look what happened with David Lee…Someone will pay him.
by 7footer on Nov 28, 2011 6:46 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Channing got $33m
after one good season
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2011 7:27 PM MST up reply actions
Based on this:
http://www.aoltv.com/2011/08/29/kris-humphries-didnt-know-kim-married-before-kardashians-video/
we could promise Kris Humphries-Kardashian a max contract, then inform him after the fact that we we’re already over the cap.
He’d never see it coming.
Then later we could kick him off the team and not tell him until he showed up to the next game and wasn’t let in the arena.
by waxmonkey on Nov 28, 2011 7:48 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I meant $9-10 mil per year for Humphries...
and he thinks he can get it. Channing is getting around $6mil per year…David Lee is getting $11mil per year.
Seems like we got a bargain with Frye compared to those two.
by 7footer on Nov 28, 2011 8:05 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Oh yeah. Someone will be dumb enough, for sure. He’ll be making 10mil+ and scoring like 5 pts a game. Epic!
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
Aaron Afflalo or Wilson Chandler are the players the Suns should look to acquire
Both are young and willing defenders.
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Wilson Chandler is stuck in China w/ Brooks and Afflalo is a restricted free agent and the Nuggets have a TON of money to spend
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 28, 2011 7:48 PM MST up reply actions
Those are all excellent trades
I think they are realistic and I like them all. The most realistic is the Beasely one. The Suns slot him at the 4 and I think Nash could help him reach his potential and become a potent scorer. He definitely has talent and Nash would make him shine.
Also there have been a lot of reports that the Blazers will in fact amnesty Brandon Roy. If this is true, Roy will have many suitors and be not only the most popular amnesty player, but maybe the most popular guard on the market. I think the Suns could be extremely appealing to him given at what the Suns’ medical staff has done. He could have his career extended and be given a bigger role than many of his other suitors could provide. He’d also be playing in a more quiet environment with less pressure.
"You need to get real!"
Yeah, unfortunately I don't think we'll be able to get Afflalo
Denver seems intent on keeping him…I just put him out there in the off chance that Denver decides to go a different direction. He’d be perfect for us.
by 7footer on Nov 28, 2011 8:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I was hoping he could fake an injury just or something to get him released from his contract.
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True. I don’t see them letting Afflalo get away. I think they’re glad Smith and Martin went away, and a little bit disappointed in Chandler.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
GOD NO ELLIS !
Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.
Hey, at least I refrained from including J.R. Smith! LOL
by 7footer on Nov 28, 2011 8:11 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Could you imagine a team with both JR Smith and Michael Beasley?
God help us all…
I will love Steve Nash... forever and always.
That could be the single craziest, must-watch team ever. Epic implosion, epic fail.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 5:02 PM MST up reply actions
Back to the well?
I noticed the Raptors don’t have a Center under contract. Maybe worthwhile to trade Lopez and Pietrus for Barbosa expiring 7 mill contract. Maybe a pick to go along with him? Suns still retain good cap room for 2012 offseason.
I don't hate this idea.
In fact, I could be talked into liking it, and I was never a big LB guy. We could really use him now.
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by East Bay Ray on Nov 28, 2011 9:04 PM MST up reply actions
I thought about that idea too
He wouldn’t have any hard feelings if he came back right? I mean after all, he was the one who requested the trade due to a lesser role. Nash and Hill would love to have him back and so would I and pretty much everybody.
Don't trade Dudley!
Pining for Barbosa is really just pining for the good old days. Both are gone, and will never be the same again.
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Well, for me personally, it's not like I expect him to make a huge impact
But he could be helpful. I’m not of the “pining for past glory” mindset normally. For instance, I don’t want J-Rich or Louuuuu back, like many here do.
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by East Bay Ray on Nov 29, 2011 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
No it isn't
He’d only be a short-term solution. This article is about trading to improve our team and Barbosa could help us out in some areas. Plus, he’s familiar with us, so there would be no adjustment kind of problem. Honestly, I’d rather we had him last year instead of Brooks.
Don't trade Dudley!
This is true.
But Brooks is also trapped behind the Great Wall of China right now.
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by East Bay Ray on Nov 29, 2011 2:40 PM MST up reply actions
Remember when we were talking about trading for Diaw last year?
It was around the all-star break and we wanted to make a push for the playoffs. I considered it then because Diaw knew the team and wouldn’t have a hard time adjusting and he could help us out. It wasn’t about trying to bring back the old days because I never really liked Diaw. It’s just about helping the team and if Barbs is available and we can’t get a better deal than why not? It’s only 1 year and it’s a 66 game season. He wouldn’t be a bad option.
Don't trade Dudley!
once you've gone French
you can never go back
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 29, 2011 6:00 PM MST up reply actions
I feel that way about Brazilian
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by East Bay Ray on Nov 29, 2011 7:53 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Very true.
Probably until March, it appears, if his team makes the playoffs. And looking at the history of his new Guangdong Sothern Tigers, they are one of the best teams in the league, appearing in the finals every year in the past nine years and winning seven times. They are currently 2nd in the standings at 3-1 in a season that seems to change number of games each year between 30 and 50.
Actually I think this idea says
more about the pathetic malfeasance surrounding recent personnel decisions.
Barbosa isn’t a difference maker by any means, but he provided more meaningful minutes to the Suns than Pietrus, Warrick, Childress, Brooks, etc. (combined).
Just because the Suns traded him away doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be an instant upgrade over players currently on the roster.
After realizing this, I suddenly feel ill.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Nov 29, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Well, in that case,
I guess they had no other choice than to comply.
I’m going to write a letter to Babby and request free season tickets to assuage my wounded feelings over the lockout.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Nov 29, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
right
b/c he was losing playing time to Dragic….oh the irony!
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 29, 2011 6:01 PM MST up reply actions
Well that's just depressing.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Nice
That’s a trade that solves several of our issues.
by MMotherwell on Nov 28, 2011 11:58 PM MST up reply actions
I think I'm about to be sick
These are not exciting trades – either in the article or the comments. We are talking about trading our garbage for someone else’s garbage.
With the new CBA, it makes a lot more financial sense for any good player (above midlevel talent) to stay with their own team. The can’t even get more via sign-and-trade vs. open market either.
The next Suns superstar (or any team’s next superstar) will be had via the draft. The more the Suns stink, for at least one season, the better the chances for a quicker turnaround.
But any trades that the Suns can reasonably complete won’t make them appreciably better, I don’t think.
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sorry to be the negative nancy here guys and gals. I’ll shut up now.
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No worries.
We all know you’re the resident jerkface devil’s advocate around here.
I will love Steve Nash... forever and always.
I always thought he was one of the optimistic ones! Now, Jim and Scott, on the other hand….
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 5:03 PM MST up reply actions
That is true. Overlords are never an optimistic bunch.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 5:46 PM MST up reply actions
When you're king
any change is a bad change. Predictable is good… you want to think your breakfast will be served hot and on time.
You don’t want to think that your servants may decide to stage the bacon-and-eggs-rebellion of 2011 and overthrow you.
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lol
any change is a bad change. Predictable is good… you want to think your breakfast will be served hot and on time.
change is good when the servants keep predictably serving the breakfast a tad too cold, you know? that’s the Suns. A breakfast that’s getting a tad cold.
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Where’s my fucking breakfast!
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 29, 2011 9:03 PM MST up reply actions
I was actually referring to our very own beloved despotic dictator
Herr Overlord Seth
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The problem is
When the Suns do bad, they don’t do bad enough for a good draft pick.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Doesn't matter
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-draft-history/?eyear=2011&syear=1957&team=Suns
Amare, Marion, both at 9, prove there is always value. The high pick strategy only works in a few select drafts.
The Suns are going to suck when Nash retires, no matter what. We need to get to his retirement with two things:
1. Cap flexibility.
2. All our draft picks + someone else’s.
If we can do that, we can rebuild faster. If we can have all our players outside Gortat and Markieff expire the same year Nash retires, we’d be sitting golden. As it stands, in three years we currently have few players signed. If we can get out from under Hak’s contract, we’d be in a great spot.
by MMotherwell on Nov 29, 2011 12:10 AM MST up reply actions
and Chilly's too?
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Nov 29, 2011 7:06 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed, but...
I think that where the difference will come is going to be near the trade deadline (apart from this year). Teams will be well aware of the difficulties of signing a superstar in the offseason, and will therefore need to make tough midseason decisions. For example, if Portland is floundering near the bottom by mid season, they have a number of “good-almost very good” players that they could use to get draft picks or free up cap space.
With teams like LA and Miami having nearly no cap room and no “tradeable” pieces, the bad teams are more likely to trade with mid level or semi-good teams that have good trade assets in terms of draft picks or expiring contracts.
I think this is where the new CBA is going to make the biggest difference in terms of team building because of the harsh “restrictions” on big time free agents.
by deadhandoftime on Nov 28, 2011 11:04 PM MST up reply actions
All 3 of those teams are so far over the new cap
that even after an amnesty, that will be waaay into the tax.
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Got a link?
I haven’t seen that anywhere, love to know why!
by MMotherwell on Nov 29, 2011 12:06 AM MST up reply actions
a link to what? the new CBA? Check my article 2 days ago on the brightside homepage. The first sentence is a link to the PDF. Sign-and-trades and extend-and-trades specifically match regular free agent rules (if not worse), which means they don’t allow Bird Rights $.
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We are talking about trading our garbage for someone else’s garbage.
Well, you know what they say. One man’s garbage is another mans…OK, I actually forgot the rest of the saying.
Don't trade Dudley!
trash and treasure
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Nov 29, 2011 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly
One man’s garbage is another man’s trash and treasure. My grandma loved that saying.
BAMF goes HAM.
One man’s garbage is another man’s trash and treasure.
the other man’s trash AND treasure? I think your grandma got the saying wrong… lol
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lol…
We all know it’s “one man’s trash is another man’s treasure”; right?
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 2, 2011 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
I want Big Baby, to pair with Silo on the front line!
And Shaq if we can talk him out of retirement.
That would be a freakin’ epic front line.
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by suns68 on Nov 28, 2011 9:08 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Can the Suns trade Robin for Landry Fields?
The Knicks are needs a center and we need an SG preferably a bit more athletic than Dudley while still retaining the basketball IQ (moving without the ball) needed to play alongside Grant and Steve. Plus, Robin was at his best when he played alongside Amare.
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I like that idea...
But I don’t know Robin alone would be enough to convince them to part with Fields. They do need a center though so Amare can move back to the 4, so you never know…It would definitely be worth a shot. I’d be all for it!
by 7footer on Nov 28, 2011 9:30 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
same. Dunno if realistic, but I would definitely do that one.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 11:17 AM MST up reply actions
I don't see a trade that puts Fields in Phoenix
that doesn’t put Nash in New York.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Nov 29, 2011 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
Not to mention
I don’t see them doing anything that would stymie their ability to sign Chris Paul after this season (if he can’t Melo his way out of New Orleans).
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Nov 29, 2011 1:45 PM MST up reply actions
Should be the prime of his career.
Nash won his first MVP when he was 31.
I think that 29-32 is about the peak between the combination of strength, quickness, skill, etc. Most basketball players have their best years in this window.
The Renaissance Man is an unusual case because of his injury history. There have been more stories about careers decimated by injuries than tales of successful recoveries.
Even in cases like Danny Manning and Grant Hill, their success still paled in comparison to their immense former talent.
The Apostrophied One has proven to be the exception that proves the rule to this point, so I’m going to continue to cheer for him to do so.
Sarver may not have been cheering against STAT, but he was definitely betting against him.
I personally think that a Stoudemire/Anthony/Paul vs. Lebron/Wade/Bosh ECF sounds mesmerizing.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Nov 29, 2011 2:05 PM MST up reply actions
It kinda does, and I think the Knicks would win that, assuming everyone at full strength.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 2:34 PM MST up reply actions
I hope you're right.
Amar’e has missed basically two seasons, so he might only have the career mileage of a 27 year old.
Don't trade Dudley!
except for that whole microfracture thingy that only lasts 5-7 years before needing re-doing… what’s it been? 5 years now?
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lol, lots of zingers today. Keep up the good work, guys.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 5:47 PM MST up reply actions
Pretty sure the Knicks are holding onto their
amnesty for him. Can you say, “get out of jail free card?”
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so you’re thinking that the Knicks being able to amnesty Amare is enviable?
It’s not. It means they’ve lost an all-star player for cap room that only gets them a few bucks (if any) of spending money they didn’t previously have.
You can’t use all that amnesty cap room unless it’s actually real cap room (ie. puts team that much under the 58 mil cap). That’s the same problem the Suns had last year when letting Amare go. Letting him go didn’t get them 16 mill in cap room. It only got them 16 mill lower, which was only really (I think) 5 mil under the cap. So they got a S-n-T instead to give them more trading wiggle room. Knicks would not be able to do that if Amare’s injured because no one would trade for him.
It would be the end of any championship dreams Amare’s team has, if he has to get amnestied
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The reason it's enviable
is because, like you said, we got the same results as amnestying him without him getting injured.
BAMF goes HAM.
The Knicks
are likely to amnesty Renaldo Balkman in order to get his 1.7mil off the payroll for next year, clearing maximum space for a run at Paul.
It isn't enviable
Just sucks to think we could still have him and have that available to us. This IS the first time this has happened in the history of the league, correct?
No. Back in 2005 the last time this happened, there was amnesty. Michael Finley was the big one from Dallas and went to the Spurs. Dunno if it ever happened before then or not. And last time, they were unrestricted free agents. This time, there’s the modified waiver process with teams under the cap submitting bids.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 2, 2011 3:50 PM MST up reply actions
That’s all the rumors right now, that it’s Paul’s first choice.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 2:33 PM MST up reply actions
This is NY’s chief concern and future plans. Any trade they make will have to end with them having cap space next year.
So would keeping Chauncey for the rest of this year.
Not much point in trading one year of Chauncey for one year of Nash, and the Suns wouldn’t want to make that trade either.
Any other trade would have them dumping at least five players to cover Nash’s salary, requiring them to pick up minimum contracts to fill the roster. What’s the point?
Unless they really want a starting five of
Nash
Fields
Anthony
Stoudemire
Veteran’s minimum free agent center
And a bench of
Billups
Rautins
Veteran’s minimum free agent small forward
Veteran’s minimum free agent power forward
Veteran’s minimum free agent center
That's a Mike D lineup
if eer I saw one. 6 man rotation? Natch.
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by jc79 on Nov 29, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Why?
Wouldn’t work salary cap wise, would it?
by MMotherwell on Nov 29, 2011 12:11 AM MST up reply actions
This is a solid trade idea
But I don’t seem to remember Lopez thriving under Mike D
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I've always kinda liked Mike Beasley
I’d love to see what he can do playing with a great point guard on a team with veteran leadership. If nothing else, I think with Beasley our team would once again be interesting and fun to watch. A collection of players that included steve, grant, dudz, gortat, and beasley might just be crazy enough to have great chemistry
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
also
the last time we had a tatted-up, offensively talented PF who couldn’t play defense, we turned out to be pretty good
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
by u_must_chill on Nov 28, 2011 9:56 PM MST up reply actions
right but that diminishes Amare’s work ethic and determination to compare him in any way to Beasley.
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to clarify, I do easily see Beasley approaching Amare’s numbers (20 and 8). So in that respect, it’s a wash.
However, Beasley does not impact the game in the way Amare does, and I don’t see the Suns winning those games in which Beasley scores all those points.
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Not a valid comparison
Amare is an and-1 machine, whose scoring efficiency is off the charts.
SuperCoolBeas made his points last year as a volume shooter with low efficiency.
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Middle of the road trade
Peitrus + Dowdell to the Bobcats for Henderson and Augustin
Augustin is a pretty good PG on a bad team, and Kemba is there now. Henderson is another “Nash would make him so good” type player, plus fills in the much needed SG position with VC out.
As for Charlotte, I doubt they’d like it, but Jordan always has the chance to surprise us. And if not Peitrus, then maybe Warrick.
Just a thought…
by deadhandoftime on Nov 28, 2011 11:20 PM MST reply actions
don’t see the Bobcats punting on two of their most recent 1st round picks for an expiring contract and a guy who got called up from the D-league. D. J. Augustin is one of the league leaders in assist-to-TO ratio
also, DJ Augustin is a lesser (and smaller) version of Brooks.
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wow
that’s an exciting description!
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 29, 2011 6:06 PM MST up reply actions
OJ Mayo
I think the Mayo trade proposed in the article is probably the best possible gamble. Mayo has the most superstar potential and actually plays defense. At worst he could maybe turn into a Raja Bell type.
I’ve always liked Mayo myself. But I’m guessing there’s a reason the Grizz won more games once he was taken out of the starting lineup, and the reason is probably not good for his future prospects as a cornerstone of a team.
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Millsap or Jefferson
are on the block apparently, via one of the ESPN guys
I would LOVE having Millsap. That’s the best thing I’ve heard on this article….
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Completely agree with that
I am sad those trade talks died down. I love Millsap’s game as well and would really enjoy seeing him playing with Steve Nash. Get him out of the craphole in Utah! Let’s push for this trade! Hahahahaha
why no big Al?
Is it his attitude? That he hasn’t played in a winning system?
His PER is about as high as Nash’s.
Of course, he’s a ‘C’. Are we going to make Gortat a back up, or move one of them to the PF? Seems like a Hedo type experiment that will probably fail.
Do you have any other reasons to hate him?
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Nov 29, 2011 2:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Oooh...Nice one!
Millsap would be a great fit. It looks like Millsap is on the trade block as well and the Pacers seem to be the most interested at the moment. That may be a real possibility for us to steal him away if the Jazz aren’t asking for too much.
We tried for him at the all-star break.
I’m not sure if Pietrus and Lopez would be enough.
Don't trade Dudley!
I'm not sure if the Suns could trade Rolo
for a meat lover’s pizza.
I have serious doubts that he could be packaged as the cornerstone behind a trade that nets the Suns anything significant.
I don’t see why a team would be willing to gamble on Rolo’s health when he’s shown nothing to prove he can play at the NBA level in the future. Size is great, but tall and crippled is still crippled.
Players like Beasley may have character issues, but they also have NBA talent AND health that allows them to showcase it.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Nov 29, 2011 1:07 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, probably not...
But the Wolves drafting D-Will makes Beasley more expendable than he was at the trade deadline.
Sorry, wrong trade...LOL
But yeah, same thing applies. Utah traded for Derek Favors and then picked up Enes Kanter in the Draft. Millsap is more expendable now, and the rumors floating around the web say that he is on the market.
Perhaps a 2nd round pick in a strong draft and maybe the rights to Brooks or whatever?
That’s an add on to the Pietrus and Lopez package.
Don't trade Dudley!
lol, still a crappy package when I think about it.
It really just depends on what the Pacers or some other team offers. Hopefully their crap is worse than ours.
Don't trade Dudley!
We should buy them Filibertos then.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Nov 29, 2011 2:06 PM MST up reply actions
I think we'd have to part with Dudley to get Millsap.
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by East Bay Ray on Nov 29, 2011 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
I would think he would be included in a possible deal.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Nov 29, 2011 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
Yes, they would have to give up Dudley
And then Beavis can spend the rest of his days hatching trade ideas to get Dudley back. It’s perfect!
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by East Bay Ray on Nov 29, 2011 5:17 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I really really really really really hope
That we can put a package together that Utah likes, and still works for the Suns. I had completely forgotten about him on the block and would love to see the Suns make this move. It would definitely help more than any other trade in this thread, IMO.
That’s true, but hard to envision it happening. One can pray, though.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
Great Post. Every player/trade suggested sounds like a good gamble to me.
The team seems both in trouble now and in the future as to picking up draft picks. Nash’s trade value right now would likely sink this season and then create a situation where the Suns would then be still gambling in the draft for future talent. Since both keeping Nash and trading Nash create questions for the future— I’d go with picking up a player(s) that have already shown flashes of talent in the NBA. I think that’s the smarter bet.
I’d personally think Beas would work great in the Suns offensive system, and maybe he’d be able to actualize all his offensive potential and mature up a bit. I’m from the Bay Area so I’ve watched Monta for a while know. He’s got quite alot of love/hate going on for him. I like him here. I can see him providing the team a different offensive look, since he’s able to score anywhere on the court and can be really pesky around the paint. He’s terribly undersized though.
The OJ Mayo trade is the best trade put up in the OP, but I can’t see it really coming to fruition as the Grizzlies know that Mayo is worth much more than Hak and Lopez.
Nice write up 7footer
It’s is always interesting because every now and then a trade happens when it is one sided and a team does give up too much to dump bad contracts.
O.J Mayo would be a very nice player to build with and we might not have to give up too much to get him. Beasley with his head screwed on right would be other one too. Remember it is the Wolves and Kahn we will be dealing with so a fleece may not be out of the question.
Will the Clippers pay everyone to stay? Kaman is still on the books, Griffen will get the max when his time comes. Will they be able to keep Gordan? Stranger things have happened.
Josh McRoberts and Shannon Brown seen like the most likely signings and both would put some energy back into Suns basketball. Then if we could swing a deal to land us a Mayo or Beasley without giving up Nash or Gortat we would be on our way up.
Having said all this our owner is Sarver.
Also on the block as UFA's:
Tayshaun Prince and Shane Battier.
Prince will want a change, would fit in with a running system, and can play defense. He’d be a good replacement for Hill if we lose him. Sort of a Marion-lite. He’s 31, though. Still- I think he’d be a cheap acquisition.
Battier may be slowing down, but would be a good stop-gap until a younger stud can be found. However, I wouldn’t think Memphis would let him go, and he won’t be as cheap as Prince.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Nov 29, 2011 9:40 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Wolves fan here.
I wish you the best of luck, but Beasley started every game he played for the Wolves. Was nearly a 20 ppg scorer on one of the worst coached teams in the modern NBA era. Admittedly he wasn’t efficient, but his GM is David Kahn not Morey so I expect PPG will actually matter more than it should it determining his perceived value. Played a new position SF exclusively for the year and battled reoccurring ankle and hip injuries thanks to classless cheap shots by Bynum and Tim Duncan.
I’m not suggesting he’s the answer for either the Wolves or the Suns, but I’m sure it would require more than a non-rebounding 5 and an expiring contract to get David Kahn to part with him. If Derrick Williams blows up he may hit the trade block, but I’m more confident in a Beasley extension than I would like to be.
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Thanks for that perspective.
The time to get Beasley was when the Heat held the fire sale, and Kahn wisely (whaaaaa….?) picked him up for a couple of 2nd rounders then.
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by East Bay Ray on Nov 29, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
Great perspective!
You could be right, but Lopez is a young, legit big man and is(was) a great rebounder and defender, and if he gets back to pre injury form he could make a huge impact for his team. The Suns seem intent on moving him now that we have Gortat, but many of us fans would like to keep Robin to see if he can get his groove back after prolonged rest and time to heal after his injury. He was once a very athletic and explosive center…as well as an enforcer in the post….He could still be that guy again if he gets all of his strength back in his legs.
And I realize Beasley probably couldn’t be had for peanuts anymore, and that’s why I also proposed both Pietrus and a 2nd round pick as well. Pietrus wasn’t a good fit with the Suns, but he could be a nice addition to the right system…and of course he is an expiring contract as well like you said.
This is all just speculation of course, but I can definitely see them trying to shop him around to see if there are any takers. I really question if our FO would even be interested, but it would make a lot of sense in my opinion to give him a shot here in Phx if they make Beasley available.
Robin Lopez
…is a horrible rebounder for a 7 footer.
Have you not heard? I was under the assumption that everyone had heard.
by WellABirdBirdBird on Dec 1, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
And...
you have to actually try to rebound. Rebounding is 20% height/body type, 20% technique and 60% effort and passion. Lopez is missing about 70% of the sum total, and he’s got the opening 20% gifted to him as a birthright.
Have you not heard? I was under the assumption that everyone had heard.
by WellABirdBirdBird on Dec 1, 2011 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
(Insert Obligatory Celtics Reference)
The Suns should under no circumstances consider signing Big Baby Davis. Fans hate him, teammates hate him, and coaches hate him. On offense, he plays selfish and takes ill-advised jumpers that he can’t make. On defense, he is too undersized to guard PFs or Centers. Let some other team overpay for his services.
by Bostonian Suns Fan on Nov 29, 2011 11:05 AM MST reply actions
Besides that he seems like a good get.....
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by Scott Howard on Nov 29, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Glen Davis gets a concussion every time he looks at an elbow.
by waxmonkey on Nov 29, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
rofl, good one. Kinda like his teammate, PP.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Nov 29, 2011 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
Finally someone with some sense around here.
Now lets get back to the Carter for Gasol deal.
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...Vince Carter likes cheese." -Walt Frazier
by ajcarleton on Nov 29, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
wow
you really liked that VC/Pau trade idea, huh?
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Nov 29, 2011 12:36 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
not that it would ever happen
but I think that it would be hilarious to see VC play alongside kobe. they’re like the yin and yang of competitive fire. all it would take is for vince to let his man blow past him on defense a few times, or to take a few incredibly ill-advised threes, and kobe might stab him.
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
by u_must_chill on Nov 29, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh my GOD...I just imagined it.
Kobe screaming at Vince while Carter’s giving handshakes and hugs to the opponents with a big smile on his face after lobbing up an off-balance and contested three on the last possession of a game they lost.
by 7footer on Nov 29, 2011 1:05 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
and then vince looking really hurt after kobe yells at him
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
by u_must_chill on Nov 29, 2011 1:18 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
these last three comments made me burst out laughing. I want to see this happen so badly…
by Bostonian Suns Fan on Nov 29, 2011 1:20 PM MST up reply actions
the notion of anyone from the KG-era Celtics playing for the Suns is odious. I hate everyone on that team every bit as much as I hate every player on the Spurs and Lakers
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
actually
if he had been drafted by the suns and spent his career here, i absolutely would. but now he’s got the celtics’ stink on him.
plus, he can’t shoot.
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
by u_must_chill on Nov 29, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Great post 7footer
As usual, I agree with most of your ideas in your post (besides the mentioning Big Baby). If we can exchange our garbage (Lopez, Pietrus, etc) for a better chance to win games, I’m all for it. No one in free agency (that we can realistically get) sounds too enticing.
It seems our only and best option is to make a sneaky trade now and/or hope for a great draft pick next year. (Both are highly questionable outlooks with Sarver behind the wheel). However, as long as Nash is directing this offense, we won’t be getting a top 10 pick without luck in the lottery. Time for a high risk move….
I do know one thing for sure though, Suns basketball is getting closer!
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...Vince Carter likes cheese." -Walt Frazier
Thanks!
Yeah, even I don’t agree with everything I wrote…I just wanted to put some of the possible scenarios out there that I believe we could realistically pursue.
I personally think Big Baby is too short to be used as a 5 in the WC, but our FO might be willing to give him a shot if we trade Lopez. I’m not sold on him as a 4 either, but he would give us a better inside game and an improved post defense over Frye or Warrick at the moment, and we don’t know if Morris will be ready to contribute yet so I think it’s a possibility.
Has anyone considered Brandon Roy as a possible pick up?
Yes, im bak like i forgot something.
Anyways, reports say Roy will be the one the Blazers will do the whole Amnesty thing on, and Roy will be on Waivers
Shouldnt the Suns look into signing him for not too much money, have him Be our Bak up Guard (both PG till brooks gets bak and SG) And have our miracle worker Medical staff have him get into the best shape possible for him at this point, kinda like they have for Grant Hill? I dont know, i liked what i saw from him against Dallas in the playoffs (Remember when he single handedly won them a game?) and it seems like a low risk, possible High reward move… I may have to post a Fanpost about this or something
Thoughts?
If he is amnestied
someone under the cap will likely pick him up on waivers for pennies on the dollar before we even get a chance at him, so unfortunately, it’s probably a mute point.
How about Baron Davis? He's gonna be amnestied too
Why is it that all these other teams will be able to get them for penny on the dollar before we can even get a look at em? smh
On the list of unrestricted FAs
the only players I think we should go for would be Carl Landry, Shane Battier, Kurt Thomas and JJ Barea. I’ll add David West and J-Rich to the maybe pile. Note that this is strictly UFAs.
My reasoning for each:
Barea – With Brooks over in China, our backup PG is now Zabian Dowdell. While it might be fun to declare Z-Do the “future” of our franchise, we all still panic whenever we see #13 walking to the bench. Barea has always been a Suns killer. He’s small, fast, and a highly efficient scorer. He’s got passion and he’d make a damn good backup PG. I know Cuban’s gonna do whatever he can to re-sign him but I’m only listing options in this post.
Battier – Battier is a lot like our neighborhood friendly BAMF. They are both superb defenders and are pretty much THE definitions of class in the NBA. In terms of what he could contribute, I suppose Battier would pretty much be providing us what Dudley does: hustle, 3-pointers, and solid defense. He’s not too expensive and if we were to pick him up, Dudley could go back to the bench and we could start Battier and BAMF at the 2 and 3. They could easily interchange. It’s not a long-term solution, but I think he’d be a great addition either way.
Landry – We’ve had trade ideas here about acquiring Landry for a while now. He’s not a star but he is a serviceable PF. While Paul Millsap would be my ideal choice for our starting PF spot, Landry would provide us double-digit rebounding nightly and he plays with ferocity. Or I could go with the “we could do so much worse” argument. If you take a look back, we have. I mean we started Boll and Hak at the 4 for god’s sake. If we pick up Landry, we’d have Frye slide back to the backup 4/5 spot where he flourished in our 09-10 WCF run.
Thomas – Oh Kurt, how we’ve missed you. You were always the savvy veteran big man we could count on to guard Duncan. Trading you for picks and cash was definitely one of the biggest mistakes Sarver ever made. We all yearned to have you back last season. I still do now. Thomas would be a cheap pickup and he’d be a great backup to Gortat. Nuff said.
My maybes:
J-Rich – We traded him and he’s a damn good SG. We know he’ll be offered big money. If he’s willing to accept a smaller salary to re-sign with us, I’d gladly accept him with open arms.
David West – Same reason as J-Rich above.
PS: I agree with Ray that the Mayo deal provided by 7footer is the only deal that I find remotely appealing. Michael Beasley = ugh…
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This was the worst comment thread I’ve read in months….thanks guys!!!
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by jc79 on Nov 29, 2011 6:18 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
i was going to comment how most of these trades are about PHX trading bench players for other team's starters...
but then I realized that most of our starting players would be other team’s bench players anyway, and i got depressed, so i guess i won’t comment…
sigh…
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Nov 29, 2011 7:54 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
i can't wait for the first post-lockout game thread
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
and then the first missed rebound = Suck for Luck!
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I haven’t watched any “Rorn” in a while and haven’t rosterbated, but my 2 cents would be:
1. Don’t give up on Chili, the guy was asked to play ball with a broken hand last year. I still think he could be a Marion 2.0.
2. I’m gonna keep bringing up basket case Sean Williams until he is given a chance to roll with a real point guard like Steve Nash. This is a no cost, high reward bet that we should take, especially if we are going to continue letting Fropez fail time after time after time.
3. Bring back JRich, we are in it for the short term anyway, and JRich knows by now that he is not going to excel in any sort of slow-down system. He is not going back to GS, so it is between us and NY.
4. Shannon Brown is a Leandro that can dunk.
5. Injury-type guys like Brandon Roy or Kenyon Martin would come here just for the medical staff, maybe, just maybe they can help.
6. Maybe the medical staff is using an ancient alien technology….
GO SUNS
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Sean Williams
very good suggestion. For sure. and I wouldn’t be surprised at all to hear him as a training camp add-on.
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Do nothing
strip it to the core. Get as many 1st round picks in the next two years as possible. No to Beasley, No to Baron Davis, No to Baby Davis, No to J Rich, No to Telfair, No to Shannon Brown, No to all of them.
I would trade Nash for a good player and a 1st rounder.
And remind Sarver that he has done a wonderful job running his franchise.
who exactly do you think would be willing to trade a good player and a first-rounder to a 38-year-old point guard with a bad back? nash is more valuable to the suns than almost anyone else. i could see a contender who feels like they’re only one piece away making a run for him (e.g. the lakers), but if they’re a good team they’ll have a low draft pick anyway.
any possible way you cut it, there is NO WAY the suns will get equal value in return if they trade steve. so why not keep him and let him retire as a sun, or leave when his contract expires?
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
by u_must_chill on Nov 29, 2011 9:09 PM MST up reply actions
Which team?
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 30, 2011 12:00 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe
these, Denver, I am not sure of contracts of Nelson of Orlando or Billups of the Knicks, that being said Nash would be an upgrade for both, Atlanta, and the Lakers. Suns would not most likely trade with the Lakers but for them it is a perfect fit.
Listen I love Nash, I just think it is the best for the franchise to try to move him.
How about
Michael Redd? I know he is older and has injury issues, but we do have pretty good rehab staff, he might be a decent player still, and we may be able to get him on the cheap.
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by dbacks25 on Nov 30, 2011 8:14 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Now seriously
I prefer Millsap since it is most realistic that he’ll get traded.
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by dbacks25 on Nov 30, 2011 8:18 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Allie Brosh?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
J-Rich
Anyone think he might be interested in coming back?
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by Wichita SunSteeler on Nov 30, 2011 1:29 PM MST reply actions
If Suns really love Steve Nash to stay in Phoenix. Sarver and FO have to do the following. First It is a must to re-sign Grant Hill. If Sarver don’t resigned Hill. I wouldn’t be surprised if Steve demands a trade. Second Suns must address their SG & PF problems. By signing free agent Glen Davis & trading Robin Lopez & Hakim Warrick for OJ Mayo will make Phoenix Suns a championship contender team. In my opinion OJ Mayo is more perfect fit for the Suns than Michael Beasley.
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