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Nick Young...in the valley of the sun?

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This free agency, short as it may be, could be the best chance our team has to get the last couple pieces we desperately need. Who needs to be a terrible team in the meantime when we have so many bargaining chips. Here is a list of expendable players we have just lying around on our team.

Vince Carter - He makes way to much money for the inconsistent scoring threat that he is.

Mickael Pietrus - Doesn't really fit in with our team, not to mention he has voiced his desire to leave.

Hakim Warrick - Get this Amare wannabe off of our team.

Aaron Brooks - He is actually worse then then the guy we traded for him...

So we have four guys that really don't deserve to be on this team, honestly I won't miss these guys if they leave. That being said, they can function on other teams better then they can on this team which means we may have some decent bartering tools for getting better players. And if this is not enough to work with we have a couple other players I could stand to see parted with as well. Robin Lopez hasn't proved himself, but I feel like he deserves one last chance. Gani Lawal since he hasn't really played any NBA basketball seems like more of a risk then Markieff Morris who's game is better designed to adapt to pro basketball. Other then those two though, I don't want to see anyone else leave this team, including Steve Nash or Grant Hill.

So with all these chips for playing with, who will we go after. My first instinct would be Michael Beasley which seems to be becoming a more widely shared idea, however there is the issue of his supposed attitude issue. Now I think that if any team can turn around a problem player like Beasley it would be the Suns. We have a history of doing just that, if you look back and recall Jason Richardson was known as a sort of "bad boy" as well. He managed to come to Phoenix and turn his life around and launch himself as a more important player at the 2 guard position. So the fears that come with having a problem child don't worry me as much as most. That being said, he is more of a power forward/small forward and we have a plethora of them.

The other option that I think would work well is actually Nick Young from the Washington Wizards. The reason being that he is a helluva isolation shooting guard who can create shots for himself and nock down 3's with the best of them. Since the suns have never really had a dynamic isolation 2 guard we have struggled to win games in the clutch. In the past we have had to rely on a point guard who's first instinct is to pass the ball, and while he has delivered those blows countless times it would be nice to have that second option. I think Nick Young can be that guy, he seems to understand when big games are needed out of him. He hasn't had much freedom to show it quite yet, especially on a terrible team like the Wizards who struggle to win games. However I think that it has toughened him up giving him the backbone to accept the weight that comes with taking and missing a game winning shot. A toughness that will translate to wins in my opinion. If you don't believe me you can take a look at his stats, now there will be some alarm bells that go off at first glance, but upon further examination you can see the reasons why the bad sides will be corrected with age and experiences and the good sides will only get better.

Nick Young

mpg: 31.8

ppg: 17.4

apg: 1.2

fg%: 44

3pt%: 38

rpg: 2.7

So what we see here is an above average rookie scorer, who does so at a decent percentage (about what kobe shoots), but also a guy who doesn't pass the ball very well or rebound to his potential. I think both the positives and negatives will improve with a good leader like Grant Hill showing him around. The only stat that really sticks out and worries me is the assists category, but with Nash teaching him to pass and Gentry giving him an offense that isn't stagnant we should see that go up to about 4 or 5 a game. There are some major positives to his scoring ability, first of all that 17.4 will surely go up next year. Now that he has found spots on the floor that he likes and how to get separation in the NBA he should see that average break 20 a game without much work. Also his 3pt percentage will only go up with a point guard who can get him the ball where he likes it and when. Overall I think he works within our team concept well, and does not have a personality issue like Michael Beasley. He will be more of a project the Beasley, but I think he has more upside as well.

Here's to hoping we can scoop one of them up before another team realizes what a catch those two could be.

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Which player do you think would work better on the Suns?
Nick Young
96 votes
Michael Beasley
50 votes
Someone else...(leave comment)
19 votes

165 votes | Poll has closed

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It's just about impossible to trade for a player who just had a breakout season.

we should rather try looking for someone who are going to have a breakout season…

And btw:

So what we see here is an above average rookie scorer

Nick Young was drafted in 2007…

by Lompe on Dec 1, 2011 1:39 PM MST reply actions  

You are right that is my bad.

Still he isn’t in his prime until he can contribute on a good team, plus washington has nothing to lose.

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by Keith Owen Martin on Dec 1, 2011 1:48 PM MST up reply actions  

right, like Afflalo.

it just won’t happen.

think cheap, 1 year deal-perhaps a player on his last legs or coming back from injury…it wont be pretty, but hopefully somewhat effective.

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by Wil Cantrell on Dec 1, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

redd in his prime was fantastic

unfortunately he’s not in his prime.

happy turkey day

by 2NASHTY on Dec 1, 2011 6:27 PM MST up reply actions  

unfortunately maybe.

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by Wil Cantrell on Dec 2, 2011 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

please no! We already did the VC thing and wished Duds was playing his spot instead.

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by Alex Laugan on Dec 3, 2011 6:39 AM MST up reply actions  

I love Young, and I agree with most of what you said. I think it’s more feasible than some think because they also have guys like Jordan Crawford. But do we have enough? It’s a shame the trade value of guys like Pietrus, Chilly and Lopez isn’t high right now.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 2, 2011 3:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Young isn't being sought after by many...

I think we still have a chance to pick him up…but we may have to offer a lot and free up some money.

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by Keith Owen Martin on Dec 1, 2011 9:38 PM MST reply actions  

unfortunately, there’s no freeing up money this season. The most the Suns can offer anyone is the midlevel exception, and that would be matched by Washington because its only 5 mil to start.

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by Alex Laugan on Dec 3, 2011 6:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Allow me to offer what I learned from Bullets Forever.

First off, the general consesnus is that the team will hold onto Young. I don’t believe we have enough room to frontload the contract enough for them to let him go.

Second, I’m not as down on Young as I used to be. It is true, he doesn’t pass. Like ever. But that is actually the way the offense is designed for the most part. They want him to shoot it everytime he touches it. The run him off screens and give him plenmty of isos because he’s their best scorer. Perhaps ina different situation he could be more of a team player, especially with Steve Nash getting him better looks. But it’s a bit of a risk. is he interested in adjusting his game at this point of his career? If anyone can get him to, the Suns can I believe.

So it mostly likely won’t happen, but I am no longer vehemently opposed to it.

Oh, and fun fact for you: reports at BF are that they will not amnesty Rashard Lewis this year.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 2, 2011 11:43 AM MST reply actions  

Agreed.

Nice info on trade rumors as well!

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by Keith Owen Martin on Dec 2, 2011 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Yep.

It just seemed like since Lewis has possibly the worst contract in the NBA, he’d be a no-brainer. He was the poster-child for the amnesty clause. But as 7footer pointed out in his post, it’s probably just better to hold on to him for this year.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 2, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Not to mention

that puts us far below the minimum salary requirement

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Dec 3, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

On, and I forgot to say he can D up as well.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 2, 2011 12:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Nick Young plays defense? or was that a typo?

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by Alex Laugan on Dec 3, 2011 6:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Solid man defender

Flashes of brilliance there, actually…weak team defender. Big enough at 6’7" to contest the larger SGs in the league (Joe Johnson is 6’8") while fast enough to stay in front of Dwayne Wade. Not a typo.

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Dec 3, 2011 1:24 PM MST up reply actions  

One knock

is that Young seems to play his best defense against big matchups, like DWade, and in off ball defense he tends to sag off

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Dec 3, 2011 1:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for the stopby!

It’s really interesting to hear opinions from other teams in trade suggestions and such. Mostly these discussions are very biased with people overestimating value of own team’s players.

by Lompe on Dec 4, 2011 2:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Nick Young, Marcus Thornton, or Tony Allen

would all be nice and actually give me hope on the Suns making the playoffs, but most likely will not be available in the Suns situation. The Suns need to make a real offer for VC’s replacement to show that they are serious about this season.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 2, 2011 3:26 PM MST reply actions  

No thanks to Tony Allen.

Decent playuer, but not right for this team IMO. We need a scorer.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 2, 2011 4:50 PM MST up reply actions  

*player

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 2, 2011 4:50 PM MST up reply actions  

*player

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 2, 2011 4:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Then I guess Shannon Brown is a 'no' as well

Since his game is so similar to Tony’s?

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by jc79 on Dec 2, 2011 4:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t want Brown. Not what we need.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 3, 2011 6:40 PM MST up reply actions  

They way I see it,

Childress is very much the same player as Tony Allen. Hustle player, slasher, cant shoot, though Childress is not as good a defender.

by Lompe on Dec 2, 2011 6:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Thornton is the way to go IMO

Less sought after and seems to be a guy who can score well if maybe a little undersized at 6 feet 4 inches but would gel well with the team and ease the burden on twotime

Carter having a glazed-eyes contest with Boris Diaw. Carter's winning, but Diaw might respond by eating his eyes.

by NashtySUNS on Dec 2, 2011 7:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Sacramento probably won't let him go very easily.

At least most of the fans at Sac-Town Royalty expect him to be back.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 2, 2011 10:37 PM MST up reply actions  

It'll be so crazy watching Kings this season

Thornton, Cousins and Fredette fighting for shots. Gonna be a messed up offense…

by Lompe on Dec 3, 2011 5:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Not to mention Salmons and Hickson.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 4, 2011 12:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Hehe this makes me smile

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by jc79 on Dec 4, 2011 3:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Glad I could put a smile on your face.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 4, 2011 9:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Is there an elite rebounder on that team

cuz Ima pick him in fantasy.

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by jc79 on Dec 5, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think so.

Cousins and Thompson can both rebound I think, but they aren’t Kris Humphries.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 5, 2011 2:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah. Dudley can do most of what Allen can do, maybe even more. We need scorers, for sure. And shooters.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 3, 2011 6:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Tony Allen runs circles around Dudley.

He is also a surprisingly good scorer when given the chance. He just happens to be really good at defense, which is even harder to find at the SG then somebody who can score.

Given that Amare, Barbosa, and Mike D are gone it is safe to say that the Suns “style” of run and gun is gone. Time to rebuild and reinvent a new way to win.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 6, 2011 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Tony Allen's D is overrated

He gambles a TON, and so he gets a lot of steals, but he also gives up a bunch of layups when those gambles don’t pan out.

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by jc79 on Dec 6, 2011 10:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Memphis played better with Allen then they did Rudy Gay

I think he can do the same for Phoenix by replacing VC.

Sometimes the best offense is a good defense. The Suns aren’t going to spend on a lights out SG and they aren’t going to get a replacement for Amare. Allen could bring a new dynamic to the team and he would get a chance to start.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 6, 2011 2:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Richardson

I haven’t seen much discussion of bringing Jason Richardson back. Is he an option for the Suns this year?

by howlinyote on Dec 3, 2011 11:17 AM MST reply actions  

I think the consensus is the Suns burned that bridge, and that he wants to go to the Bulls or another contender.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 3, 2011 6:40 PM MST up reply actions  

I must have missed that part of the trade with Orlando.

by howlinyote on Dec 3, 2011 9:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Plus he'll want more money than we can give him.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 4, 2011 12:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Young or Crawford???

Sounds like there’s some conversation between Suns-them; assuming this is about as much as we can spend this offseason (besides a minimum pt guard backup for 2 months), who would you rather have? Crawford gives some obvious raw scoring, but Young’s upside (and many more years) make me like him more.

by Shazam4three on Dec 5, 2011 12:36 PM MST reply actions  

Young all day any day.

Crawford is streaky.

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by Keith Owen Martin on Dec 5, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Crawford does have the added value of being able to handle the point duties a little bit.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 5, 2011 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

From the Washington Post: “The Washington Wizards intend to retain Nick Young but realize that they will have competition from several teams, including Chicago, Denver, New Orleans, Sacramento and Phoenix, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.”

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 5, 2011 1:23 PM MST reply actions  

Think he gets more than mid-level money

from Sac?

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by jc79 on Dec 5, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Sacramento?

I want this to happen almost more than i want him in PHX. Thornton, Jimmer, Evans, Salmons, Hickson, Cousins (I realize if this happens Thornton is likely gone, but I’m choosing to ignore that)… That would be glorious.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 5, 2011 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

That would be 7 seconds or less

except they would walk it up

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by jc79 on Dec 5, 2011 4:13 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

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