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How Will Shannon Brown and Sebastian Telfair Fit With The Phoenix Suns?

The Phoenix Suns have acquired two short-term and relatively cheap players who can help the team this season while still allowing Phoenix to save cap room for next seasons' expected rebuild. Shannon Brown and Sebastian Telfair were both selected to fill positions of need that will help shore up the Suns roster for the time being, and hopefully help this team stay competitive for one more season before the inevitable changing of the guard (pun intended) next year.

Heading into the 2011-12 season, the Suns have cut ties with Vince Carter, Mickael Pietrus, and Gani Lawal (we hardly knew ya) and added Shannon Brown and Sebastian Telfair in their place. Actually, Telfair was signed to replace Aaron Brooks, who appears to be stuck in China until at least February, as the back-up point guard to Steve Nash. Either way, the Suns now appear ready to begin training camp with their new team for the 2011-2012 season without any glaring holes at any of the five positions.

So now that the Suns have made their choices, how will these new players fit in with the Suns offense and style of play? Can the Suns expect to still compete this year with the players who are currently on the roster? Continue reading after the jump for some possible answers as well as some highlight videos of both players.

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There's no doubt Shannon Brown is best known for his insane leaping ability and highlight reel dunks. However, he can also be an effective defender and a three-point threat who can light it up from beyond the arc when he's in rhythm. Brown has sometimes been criticized for his shot selection and his reliance on outside shooting rather than penetrating to the rim, but he has consistently improved in nearly every aspect of his game over the past few years and could be a very good fit for a Suns team looking to add more energy and athleticism, on both ends of the court.

Although most of us are already familiar with Shannon Brown, I thought one of the writers over at our fellow SBNation blog covering the Los Angeles Lakers might be able to provide us with a more in-depth perspective of what he may bring to the Suns. So I contacted C.A. Clark over at Silver Screen and Roll to get his take on Brown as a player...Here's what he had to say:

Shannon Brown is a really mixed bag as a player. Athletically, he's probably one of the top 5 players in the league. His dunks are obviously amazing, but I think the most amazing highlight I've ever seen out of Brown was a block attempt he made in his first season. Point is, he's one of the best jumpers in the league, and he also has some of the biggest hands in the league. He can be a decent shooter, as long as he's taking the right shots, though even then he is prone to inconsistency.

Unfortunately, just about all the other feedback I can provide tilts negative. His defensive instincts are terrible, which is tragic, because an athletic guy like him should be able to forge a decent career as a defender. Nine times out of ten, he'll go under every screen when he shouldn't, and his ability to stay in front of his man isn't the best either. He goes through stretches of being an effective one on one scorer, but those stretches are more than mitigated by the number of times we've wanted him to move the ball to somebody else quicker. He's quite prone to over-dribbling and bad shot taking. I don't know that I'd call him selfish, and I'm very curious how he'll translate his game in Phoenix, where he will have better point guard play than he's ever had in L.A.

As I see it, Brown's impact in Phoenix will depend on how he's used and what the Suns expect from him. He may not be a polished offensive or defensive player, but I have no doubt that his energy and athleticism can be a positive attribute to our team. The addition of Brown to the Suns' roster will give them more flexibility at the wings; allowing them to rotate Dudley and Brown at the two-guard to find the right fit for each unit. Brown isn't going to be able to replace what we lost after trading Jason Richardson, and he simply hasn't proven that he can be consistent enough on either offense or defense to be relied upon for either...at least not yet. But Brown should definitely provide that spark off the bench that the Suns' 2nd unit lacked last season after Dudley was moved into the starting unit, and he will be certainly be entertaining for the fans to watch play as well.

Plus, and this can't be overstated, the guy can flat-out DUNK!!!




As for Sebastian Telfair, where do I begin? Once believed to be one of the most talented players in the world and on par with the likes of fellow high school standouts LeBron James and Dwight Howard, Sebastian Telfair was a playground legend from NYC who was both the subject of a book (The Jump: Sebastian Telfair and the High-Stakes Business of High School B-Ball) and also a documentary film (Through the Fire). But since turning pro, Telfair's story has been one of disappointment and constant relocation, playing for what will now be his sixth team in nine seasons.

So who is Sebastian Telfair? He is no longer the high-school phenom that was once the 13th pick in the draft. He is now a 26 year old player who is finding it difficult to shed the bust label after sky-high expectations when he first entered the league straight out of Lincoln H.S. in NYC. Telfair is not a consistent outside shooter, but he is a fast and quick guard with tremendous ball-handling skills who can penetrate to the rim and score. Nor is he a great defender, but he is effective in using his quickness to stay in front of his man and pressuring the opposing player.

There's no guarantee that Telfair will be the de facto back-up PG to start the season. Zabian Dowdell is still on the roster and may have a leg up due to his familiarity with the system and the players. Still, even though Dowdell performed better than expected during his opportunities last season, he still struggled to run the offense for any length of time and was very limited as a scorer s well. Something Telfair has already proven to be capable of.

Telfair has already been a starting point guard in this league and has the potential to be a very solid back-up as well. Of course, he also has the potential to be a complete bust for the Suns, but I believe with limited responsibility in the 2nd unit and his incredible speed and quickness he could really help this team.

Take a look at Telfair at his best when playing for Minnesota:




In all, both Shannon Brown and Sebastian Telfair bring youth, energy, and tons of athleticism to the Suns. Both of these players fit in extremely well with the fast-paced tempo of the Suns' offense; and they could both benefit Phoenix by giving the Suns added scoring off the bench as well, which was something the Suns struggled to find consistently last season.

Could these players help the Suns compete this year? Sure, but they won't make enough of a difference by themselves. If the Suns hope to be a competitive team this season they will need to find increased production in the post by a player other than Gortat. If Morris, Frye, Lopez, or Warrick can step up and contribute more on the inside, Brown and Telfair could certainly help solidify our back-up guard positions while Nash and Dudley are off the floor.

The bottom line is that with one-year deals, no one is expecting either of these players to be a long-term solution or a building block for the future, but they could both turn out to be sound additions to the roster for this season, if nothing else.

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wait, what’s a fast break again? Suns haven’t purposely run one in years, it seems.

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by Alex Laugan on Dec 10, 2011 9:39 PM MST up reply actions  

You're forgetting the Grant Hill leak outs.

You know, the ones where he finishes with his right hand on the left side of the basket?

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 10, 2011 11:57 PM MST up reply actions  

exactly

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by Alex Laugan on Dec 11, 2011 6:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Hill finished the season converting like 71% of shots at the basket

which made him not just our best finisher, but one of the top 5 finishers in the league.

BAMF!

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by jc79 on Dec 11, 2011 9:18 PM MST up reply actions  

We all know that during the 7SOL era, Nash and Barbs were a dominant force (on offense) when paired together.

I’d like to see Brown get time with Nash. If he’s just a bench player, we’re not using him properly.

As for Telfair, between him and Zabien, he may not even win the spot.

I’m a little scared going into this season because it’s 4 games a week. Time is going to fly and Nash will break down at some point. We really need our bench to step up and that’s what’s scary.

PG Telfair/Zabien
SG Brown
SF Chill
PF Morris
C Lopez

I’m not sold on any of these guys.

Worst case scenario: last year’s Lopez returns, Morris isn’t ready, Warrick takes his spot, Chill turns out to be a decent player, but a terrible fit, Brown puts up a mediocre performance and Telfair/Zabien flat out suck. If that’s the case, goodbye playoffs.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we suck this year and end up trading Nash at deadline. We’re depending upon an unproven bench to take us to the playoffs and our two best players are 39 and 37 years old. One leads the offense, the other our defense. Take just one of them away and we won’t even be able to compete against a team like the Kings.

On the other hand, I’m excited for the possibilities. Lopez could return to form, Morris could become Frye 2.0, Chill could re-emerge, Telfair could do a decent job and Brown could emerge as a really good role player. If that’s case, we’ll then have the tradeable assets to deal for a guy like Millsap.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 10, 2011 4:58 PM MST reply actions  

Never too early

He needs to be freed, lets be honest

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by NashtySUNS on Dec 10, 2011 5:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Morris should be a better rebounder than Frye

That is the one skill that translates from College to the NBA – almost directly.

If Morris can rebound, the best part is that means he can play WITH Frye, or even Hak. And that would be a really big bonus, because rebounding has been our sore point for, what, 30 years?

by MMotherwell on Dec 10, 2011 7:01 PM MST up reply actions  

does this year's roster remind anyone of the team from "Major League"?

a collection of has-beens and spare parts that could nonetheless come together, forge great chemistry, and overachieve?

Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"

by u_must_chill on Dec 10, 2011 5:40 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Who is Willie Mays Hayes?

Telfair or Brown?

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by East Bay Ray on Dec 10, 2011 5:42 PM MST up reply actions  

telfair

and it’s a shame that VC is gone, cuz he would have made a great Roger Dorn (the p***y 3rd baseman who didn’t want to make diving catches)

Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"

by u_must_chill on Dec 10, 2011 5:47 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not one to bash bassy

I’ll give him a fair opportunity before whining about his numbers.

by Biffo on Dec 10, 2011 5:53 PM MST reply actions  

hmmm

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ALSO

tribjazz: Scottie Reynolds likely the other to join training camp

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by phxuk: Ap on Dec 10, 2011 6:42 PM MST reply actions  

He's joining the Jazz camp...

I was disappointed he wasn’t invited here after doing so well in Summer League last year. I still believe that guy is going to stick on an NBA roster once he gets the opportunity with someone…I would love it if we were that team.

by 7footer on Dec 11, 2011 12:02 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Suns are bringing in guys who can play at least a little defense. Reynolds is Brooks with less talent.

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by Alex Laugan on Dec 11, 2011 6:58 AM MST up reply actions  

As much as I have been a Reynolds supporter

You’re right about that.

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by East Bay Ray on Dec 11, 2011 10:08 AM MST up reply actions  

I may be way too optimistic about this

but I’m actually intrigued to see how Telfair will fit in with the Suns second unit. I have good feelings about his skillset working well in the Suns’ offense.

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by PHXgp on Dec 10, 2011 7:02 PM MST reply actions  

Me too !

And i think we should go Shannon to start, i mean, Telfair is a good passer but it is nothing compare to what Nash is going to do with that kid on court, besides i don´t know if Dudley is going to be able to keep up with Wade or Kobe or Any prolific fast scorer at the SG position.

Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.

by Lino Canaan on Dec 10, 2011 8:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Grant will likely be defending Kobe and Wade,

while Dudz guards Peace and LeBro… uh-oh.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 11, 2011 12:01 AM MST up reply actions  

I have the same feeling...

But I don’t want to get my hopes up. Bassy has dissapointed many hopeful fans in his 8 seasons thus far…but the guy is incredibly skilled and makes you wonder why he can’t seem to put it all together.

But for a one year $1.6 million contract, he’s definitely worth taking a chance on.

by 7footer on Dec 11, 2011 12:06 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

the highlight reel certainly helps raise optimism. If only we didn’t have to watch him actually play…

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by Alex Laugan on Dec 11, 2011 7:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Telfair will be an inefficient offensive player and a liability on defense

BUT he will be able to create shots for himself and sometimes others.

As bad as our bench was last year, I think that they will be slightly better this season, and that Telfair will be the major reason for that modest improvement.

Book it!

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by jc79 on Dec 11, 2011 9:21 PM MST up reply actions  

on defense, I think that Telfair > Brooks. (not saying much, but…)

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by Alex Laugan on Dec 13, 2011 8:38 AM MST up reply actions  

HA

sam_amick Sam Amick
@wojyahoonba first to report on Smith and says Marcus Banks is also a possibility in sign and trade to the Lakers.

BAMF goes HAM.

by brian13 on Dec 10, 2011 7:03 PM MST reply actions  

My guess would be he starts out behind Dudz.

Dudley has put in the work and deserves that spot until someone can take it from him.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 11, 2011 12:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Well

for one thing, these two bring athleticism back to the Suns. That’s been missing for a while.

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by Alex Laugan on Dec 10, 2011 9:42 PM MST reply actions  

for sure. We need some badly

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 11, 2011 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

That is a quote for the ages...

This once uber-athletic team has turned into the 90’s version of the Cleveland Cavaliers…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Dec 12, 2011 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Oooh... maybe we should slow it way down

and have a bunch of 71-68 type of wins. We can hire Mike Fratello.

Or not. Whatever.

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by jc79 on Dec 12, 2011 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

i dont know how yall are so optomistic

we didnt make the playoffs, and all we add are brown and telfair? ugh, pass the yukon jack. I honestly think telfair is one of the worst PGs ive seen play in the nba in recent memory. Brown is fine… hes a guy, but he dosnt make the team much better.

by Berecki on Dec 11, 2011 1:40 AM MST reply actions  

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by AcucracK on Dec 11, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions  

We did make a pretty significant mid-season trade last year

I think with a collective unit they have a real shot at playoffs. Beyond that, I don’t know…..

by Airwave on Dec 11, 2011 10:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Im really starting to get angry at these star players demanding trades and stuff

Im on gonna watch my suns when I can, even though i expect it to be bad, but the NBA in general is getting really annoying. I thought part of the lock out was to end this crap where u can hold team hostage and determine where u play. Every time i hear these stories of these players who signed huge contracts that give them millions of dollars that they arnt happy and want to play else where i wanna punch them in the face through the internet IF YOU DONT WANT TO PLAY FOR A TEAM DONT SIGN A LONG TERM DEAL. U CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS OF MONEY SECURITY AND FREEDOM YOU STUPID DOPES. 5 years from now were gonna be right where we started and all the small market teams are gonna be losing lots of money. The suns have been blessed with a super star in nash not being a diva, and we have been somewhat prestigious, but once nash is gone, the suns are gonna be hurting in terms of getting FAs, selling tickets, and making money

by Berecki on Dec 11, 2011 1:51 AM MST reply actions  

this was the owners’ argument. But in the face of billions of money lost, they compromised. To be fair, the changes they DID put in won’t be phased in for 2 seasons. Can’t really judge the changes till then.

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by Alex Laugan on Dec 11, 2011 7:02 AM MST up reply actions  

To be fair

While it’s true that Paul and Howard have the rest of this year on their contracts, if they both make it clear that they want to move once it’s done, it’s in the best interest of everyone for them to be traded now. It’d be a bit more dickish if they played out the contract saying nothing at all, then left for free agency when it was done, leaving their team with nothing.

borderline adequate

by waxmonkey on Dec 11, 2011 7:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Reading that take on Shannon Brown from Silver Screen and Roll

Hate to say it, but his game sounds a little Pietrus-y, doesn’t it? Their shooting percentages are similar too. The low BBIQ and poor shot selection will drive us nuts from time to time. Pietrus is a malcontent and needs to go because of that, but I’m not sure Brown will provide much of an upgrade from him.

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by East Bay Ray on Dec 11, 2011 10:19 AM MST reply actions  

At least he can dunk. Peaches can too, but he was always 35 feet from the bucket.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 11, 2011 10:31 AM MST up reply actions  

correction

Brown has a low triangle offense iq. he was in a system that didnt suit his talents (see C. Frye) and now hes own a team that will get him minutes because of the lack of guards and lets him run. If he has a jump close to what happened to Frye had then this signing was a success. im hoping telfair thrives not being in the triangle as well.

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by phxpurple on Dec 11, 2011 4:53 PM MST up reply actions  

good point. It’s easier to have a higher bball IQ in the Suns’ system than the Lakers’

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by Alex Laugan on Dec 11, 2011 7:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes the triple post is very difficult

and our offense is reasonably simple.

You either
1) Be Steve Nash
2) Set a pick for Steve Nash, or
3) Get the hell out of Steve Nash’s way

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