Phoenix Suns News: What Can Suns Fans Expect From Sebastian Telfair
by Wil Cantrell on Dec 12, 2011 2:09 PM MST
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PrintSebastian Telfair was the 13th overall pick in the 2004 NBA Draft by the Portland Trail Blazers out of Abraham Lincoln High School in Brooklyn, New York. He had committed to the University of Louisville and head coach Rick Pitino during his senior year, but decided instead to turn professional.
The Phoenix Suns, known for drafting brothers through the draft, have in a somewhat analogous way, kept up with this tradition of blood acquisitions: Telfair is a cousin of former Sun, Stephon Marbury.
You all know the story of Telfair-a high school phenom, an undersized point guard who has been around the league without reaching the potential many predicted he would achieve. Given the chance as a starting point guard in many of his 6 stops (PTL, Celts, Wolves-twice, Clips, and Cavs), Telfair has never broken through. With career averages of 23 minutes per game, 39% shooting, 78% from the line, to go with 3.8 assists and 7.8 points per game, Telfair will be battling Zabian Dowdell for the backup PG job.
Unless you have been following Telfair's less than illustrious career, you probably have the same questions that I have about the kid guy:
- Will Sebastian Telfair be able to handle the Suns second unit when Steve Nash needs a break? Or, if Nash misses more than a few games here and there, will the Suns totally malfunction with Telfair running the show? (I'm thinking of a Indy Colts analogy here)
To help us all out, I got a hold of Bryan Anderson over at Canishoopus with some 411 on Mr. Telfair. Here we play 6 questions with Brian:
W: Were you all happy to see Telfair go, or not? Why?
B: I have mixed feelings about seeing Telfair depart. This is actually the second time he's been on the team and left. For one, I have a good bit of loyalty to Bassy, and I think a lot of fans here in Minnesota share that feeling. Telfair did good work for us. He saved a lot of dignity for us after Garnett left and Kevin McHale came to the disastrous conclusion that Randy Foye could be a point guard. We developed a fondness for him because he was the only competent, reliable point guard on the roster for a while.
That said, he was never anything special as a player, and probably shouldn't have been a starter. He's very much ideally a sixth man. His scoring is very streaky and that's not likely to change. We were always wincing when he'd pull up for a three, especially during his second stint here under Rambis. He's not that type of player. So personal loyalty aside, I can't say I'm sorry to see him go. There's nothing he could do that Luke Ridnour and JJ Barea won't do better.
W: If Telfair makes the roster as a backup PG, do you think he could handle 15-20 minutes per game spelling Steve Nash?
B: He absolutely can handle that. Just don't rely on him to score. Put the ball in his hands and tell him to get shots for Hill and Gortat and Frye, and he'll do good work for you.
W: Telfair came into the NBA with a super high ceiling. Why do you all think he has struggled to achieve that status? Was he overrated? Low basketball IQ?
B: There's a few factors going into this. One is that he developed a scorer's mentality at Abraham Lincoln High School, but he's not a natural scorer. Another is he's just very small...like, Allen Iverson small...and never compensated for that. He gets pushed around a lot. He has trouble finishing in traffic when he gets bumped because he's so light he can't absorb the contact. He wasn't ready coming out as a high schooler. He should have spent a couple of years in college. He wanted to follow in the footsteps of Stephon Marbury, but doesn't have Marbury's size or scoring touch, and never learned any skills to compensate for that.
W: Do you think that playing on the same team with Nash will help Telfair in any way?
B: Honestly, not likely. He's 26 years old and has been in the league for 8 seasons. His numbers have been consistent through his career. He is what he is at this point.
W: If given consistent time, what kind of numbers would we expect to see out of Telfair?
B: Given about 20 minutes a night, I'd expect something in the range of 6-10 ppg and 4-5 assists. A lot will depend on his role. He had major problems under Rambis, being asked to play the Derek Fisher role of shooting a lot and passing little. That's the opposite of him as a player. He'll benefit from a more open system that asks him to pass more and shoot less, as well as one that can live with his sometimes risky decisions.
W: Bonus Question: Do you agree with SB's asessment of Telfair:
Assets:
- Very fast. A solid ball-handler and a good passer who excels at pushing the ball and running the offense. Has a nice shooting motion and can score in bunches.
Flaws
- Undersized and not much of a factor defensively or on the boards. Streaky in general. Somewhat injury-prone. Has bounced around the league despite good talent level.
Career Potential
- Streaky but talented point guard.
B: Not sure I would agree about him having a good shooting motion. I suppose mechanically that's true, but the result is a miss a lot more often than a make.
Suns fans, what do you expect out of Bassy, stat-wise and other?
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So...
He’s basically Aaron Brooks but he can’t shoot?
by I_Still_Love_You_Pat_Burke on Dec 12, 2011 2:36 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
shorter?
I don’t know, it sounds like he can be an adequate backup for 15+ mpg. What worries me is if he can’t, then ZD has to step up, or Nash is forced into 35+ mpg which is a recipe for disaster.
the ideal situation is to play Nash 28-32 mpg and 1. hopefully be in the position to make the post season and 2. Have a fairly healthy Nash.
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by Wil Cantrell on Dec 12, 2011 2:43 PM MST up reply actions
If he's basically AB without the shot...
Wwe may have issues when he’s on the floor…I don’t remeber AB spelling NAsh effectively too many times…What we need is a floor generaal that we don’t have to cross our fingers about when Nash goes out…
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Maybe he can distribute the ball better?
I know Brooks didn’t do the best job hitting open guys, or passing at the right time in the pick & roll or just in general. I know there were times I saw guys frustrated at Brooks for his decision making.
We may be grasping at straws here...
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Oh no question
I am just saying if he can’t score with Brooks maybe he would distribute the ball better.
we know he isn't the future
and that isn’t the point.
What we need is for a combination of Telfair and Dowdell to be enough of a break to nash throughout the season. There will be moments when each of them would be better to use. Hopefully Gentry can read that well. And my guess is he’ll have a short leash on both of them.
But I think they can manage to do what we need them to do. Though, I wish Brooks were here instead of in China, and instead of having Telfair. Hopefully, Telfair will make me feel silly for saying that.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Dec 12, 2011 7:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Well, scratch the Dowdell thing LOL
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Just clicked on the Canis Hoopus link...
and saw Love, Rubio, D. Williams picture on the front page. Future is looking bright for the wolves.
"Who are we kidding?..."
Eh, maybe. Rubio's still a huge question mark.
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by East Bay Ray on Dec 12, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
Ridnour, Rubio, Barea...
Are in a contest to see who can be the shortest NBA player to make a roster. I seriously think Kahn signed Barea because he speaks Spanish and can possibly mentor the huge mistake that the draft pick Rubio appears to be.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 13, 2011 12:58 AM MST up reply actions
Can't really tell these days...
but if things do pan out for those two rookies. The wolves have 3 young talents going toward 2012-2013, while all we have is… oh well we have BAMF and Nash so any other argument is invalid. GO SUNS!!!
"Who are we kidding?..."
more than 3
Love, Rubio, D Williams, Beasley, Wes Johnson, JJ Barea, Anthony Randolph
plus Ridnour, Darko (don’t laugh, he played well) Brad Miller (don’t laugh…ok, laugh) and Martell Webster
That team should/could make the playoffs
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 12, 2011 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
The Suns may win more games than they do this year,
but Minnesota has young talent in spades. They are under the cap. They have no bad contracts. They have plenty of players with trade value.
I’m not laughing at all, because if the Suns don’t get it right by this summer, they will very likely be looking up at this team in the standings.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 12, 2011 4:50 PM MST up reply actions
they'll win more games, but not that many
They have a short season in which to gel, have a new coach, and tons of young players. That isn’t a recipe for making the playoffs this season. But they may keep improving. I bet they win around .350-.400 of their games this year.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Dec 12, 2011 7:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
You forgot their secret weapon:
Anthony Tolliver.
I’m actually being somewhat serious. He was one of their best players last year.
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I disagree. Rubio has to be borderline spectacular for them to be a winning team this season. The NBA doesn’t award wins based on raw talent alone.
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Y U NO Like Rubio?
I think i had an argument with you like 3 months ago about this, Rubio will be solid, he is going to play this league with a progressive yet ascedent talent.
Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.
I just want to see what the guy can really do first
Against NBA competition. Not saying he’ll be a bust, but he hasn’t proven squat yet.
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by East Bay Ray on Dec 12, 2011 4:48 PM MST up reply actions
he won’t be Nash 2.0. I think he’ll be a snazzy passer, and that is about it.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Dec 12, 2011 7:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
yup.
and he won’t be nearly as good as jason Williams or Juan Carlos Navarro.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 13, 2011 1:01 AM MST up reply actions
I am not all that high on him either.
I don’t see him being able to score too much in the NBA, and some of those snazzy passes are more likely to get picked off against the better athletes in the league.
I can see him being a good PG, but I don’t see him as a star. At least from what little I’ve seen of him. Perhaps he was holding back or wasn’t in a great situation with Barca last year.
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I think Ridnour would work perfect in our system...
Could spell Nash effectively and consistently for 10-15 a game…It’s not like Ridnour would get a lot of minutes there anyways…
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I wanted Barea,
but I’d settle for Ridnour.
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Bassy?
We were all better off with Dragic and our pick.
I would trade Telfair for our pick and Dragic back in a heartbeat. And I would throw in Shannon Brown while you are at it.
by hubertdavisfor3 on Dec 12, 2011 3:13 PM MST reply actions
the known quantity here is Dragic. And he had plenty of time to show he could be an NBA PG.
With the exception of a few streaky stretches and the SA playoff game, he failed. I’m done.
Brown, Telfair, Brooks, the pick….All unknown right now.
I’ll be glad to comment once I have 20-30 games to judge.
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by Wil Cantrell on Dec 12, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
unknown what kind of performance he will turn in here...
You don’t bounce from team to team if you are consisently good…
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Hindsight being 20/20...I'd say that it would be hard to argue now that we wouldn't be.
But at the time I don’t blame our FO for making the trade. Brooks was on fire in 2009, and many (including myself) thought that all he needed was a change of scenery out from Houston to get right back to playing at that level.
Brooks wasn’t that bad here in Phoenix, he actually managed to have quite a few productive games for us…Who knows, maybe with training camp and preseason here with the Suns this season he could have bounced back. Nobody foresaw him signing a binding contract in China just weeks before the end of the lockout that would ultimately force us to go in a different direction.
Totally agree.
I was as big of a supporter and fan of Dragic, still am, that you’re going to find, but when the Suns made the trade for Brooks, I was all for it. Brooks is an exciting young talent and I don’t think anyone can really make an argument claming Dragic is better because he’s simply not.
I think Brooks played pretty well here especially considering he was coming to a new team midseason while trying to recover from an injury. It was a tough position to be in and he still had some pretty strong games. There’s no question in my mind with a full training camp and preseason with this team that he would’ve been much better.
We may never know how this trade would have really worked out because of the lockout and Brooks going to China, but I certainly can’t blame the FO for making the move.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 12, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
Actually,
at the time of the trade at least some of the discussion on here was that Dragic for Brooks was probably a wash and that throwing in the pick made it a bad trade.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 12, 2011 4:55 PM MST up reply actions
it was a good trade because
Dragic had become complacent/lazy/un-motivated with our team. The coaches couldn’t snap him out of it. His shooting percentages were only 60% or so of what they were the year before. He was totally sucking. And Brooks was a good option- and still is.
Personally, I think the trade was a wash if you take complete abilties in perspective (not thinking of what they were doing last year).
Dragic was a good defender, was big enough to handle a myriad of opposing players, passed pretty darn well mostly, and once is a blue moon could score in bunches, and dunk. He was also fast on the break.
Brooks is one of the speediest guards out there and can score in bunches, though inconsistently. But he was a bit more consistent than Dragic at driving the opposing team crazy when he played. He’s ok at passing and finishing, but can’t play defense. He possesses the ability to do what JJ Barea did to the Lakers and Heat last playoffs with his speed and agressiveness.
So- overall, they are about equal. Though, ultimately I wish Dragic had improved rather than faltered. I liked him and what he did in 2010. But falter he did in a big way (like Lopez), and I wasn’t bummed to see him go because I knew he needed a change to wake him up.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Dec 12, 2011 7:28 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
So you think the players are about equal...
which means you agree with me, 2NASHTY, and a chorus of others who asserted that giving up the first round pick made it a bad trade for the Suns.
Glad we got that settled.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 12, 2011 10:18 PM MST up reply actions
No hindsight needed here
Ask my wife how much I hated that trade…
Everybody forsaw that he was going to be a RFA at the end of the year and knew that it was likely that another team would give him more money than we should ever spend on him.
I am not a Dragic fan BTW. I just felt that he had some in the league convinced that he could be at worst, a decent backup and at best, a possible starter for a team that was desperate for a PG. Probably more the former than the later, but regardless, a young asset with perceived potential. Plus, a pick that would have had value in a trade as well. We could have used those assets in combination with something else to get something of value. Instead we got Brooks or really nothing. I have never liked him. He is another undersized scoring guard that does nothing else but take bad shots. Those guys are a dime a dozen and frankly I don’t like those types of players.
by hubertdavisfor3 on Dec 12, 2011 10:58 PM MST up reply actions
For what it's worth...
Brooks was our No. 1 scorer per minutes played (after the J Rich trade).
However, temper that with the knowledge that Vince was No. 2 and Hakim, of all people, somehow found his way to No. 3.
I actually think Brooks is pretty good, although his detour to the land of pandas is going to slow the process of his getting to know the system and his teammates, which is kind of what being point guard is about.
Still, I think he pretty much eclipses Telfair, and barring a catastrophic injury picture, I don’t see how we can keep Zabian once Brooks is back. Four point guards? Ain’t happenin.
One thing I could see is Brooks and Brown developing as a pretty potent fast-break scoring duo (kind of like Barbs and Dragic used to be).
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by suns68 on Dec 12, 2011 11:02 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Brooks was horrific
http://www.82games.com/1011/1011PHO1.HTM – offensively OK, defensively a SIEVE.
He and Dragic torpedoed the season (and Dowdell was even worse), basically, by being so awful. They each conceded far more points than they put up – Dragic by sucking on offense AND defence, Brooks merely on defense.
Telfair is there or thereabouts – http://www.82games.com/1011/10MIN2.HTM – so he is somewhere around break even on the other three, and MUCH cheaper. That is a net gain IMHO.
Say what?
In a year that saw the loss of Amare, untimely or nagging injuries to Nash and Frye and Lopez and Carter – and the addition of Hedo, Childress, Pietrus, Warrick and Earl Barron, you’re blaming Dragic and Brooks and Dowdell for torpedoing the season????
Wow. Just Wow.
PS. If I’m reading that stat table right, Earl Clark is better than Jared Dudley?
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by suns68 on Dec 13, 2011 8:05 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yes. He is.
Because the table is never wrong.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 13, 2011 11:25 AM MST up reply actions
I am
Because we were very good when Nash played. Awesome.
But he sat, and the bench sucked. Dragic was woeful all year, and the trade did little to improve that. If we had the 2009-10 bench, we would have finished above .500, and made the playoffs.
Or, was I watching different games to everyone else? Practically every game
- Nash builds a lead
- Nash rests for X minutes.
- half X minutes later, we have lost the lead and everyone starts wondering when Nash will return.
That was our season in a nutshell.
It's easy to say that now...
Honestly if Brooks had waited a week we would be in a better position. I would much rather have Brooks backing up Nash at the moment than most the other options out there.
I am a fan of Dragic, but he just wasn’t panning out and seemed to be digressing. Moving him, ultimately, was the right move.
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At least it was the right move for Dragic
Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.
Whatever you want to believe,
But that, as well, still remains to be seen.
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really? lol
@hubertdavisfor3
that would be stupid. Brown was more productive than Dragic even without Nash. Dragic had his chance and it didnt work. One good game under his belt is not a a good enough reason to have kept him. with that logic we should have kept Carter too.
sure
it would be, just like trading a player and a pick for a guy on a one year deal…
by hubertdavisfor3 on Dec 12, 2011 11:02 PM MST up reply actions
it's about as lukewarm a review as one could possibly get.
he’s okay, but at this point his ceiling is much lower given the number of chances he has had to prove himself. I don’t doubt that he’s young and quick, but he’s caught between being a distributing guard and a scoring guard. The middle ground doesn’t play well here. Maybe he needs a career paradigm shift to become a defensive specialist or something.
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Has he ever played in a system that allowed him to be a distributer?
With players that can actually score? Being in this system may turn out to be really good for him.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 12, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
who in our system is a great scorer?
except Nash
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He didn't make Carter look like a great scorer.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 12, 2011 4:57 PM MST up reply actions
Or Earl Clark.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 12, 2011 4:57 PM MST up reply actions
Childress didn't do so hot last year either.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 12, 2011 4:57 PM MST up reply actions
true.. but
clark didnt have a chance nor did chilly and carter was a lost cause whom however did on occasion drop 20+
Jim,
you are hilarious. I actually laughed out loud.
But, on our team now, Frye and Dudz have shown they can score pretty darn well. And, potentially, if he can get the ball in the right place at the right time, Lopez, Gortat, Warrick, and Chilly can too. So, he might have a chance to be that guy here.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Dec 12, 2011 7:32 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Glad to be involved in forum jollification.
I try to keep everybody on their toes, but sometimes I lay it on a little thick with the levity and merrymaking.
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by Jim Coughenour on Dec 12, 2011 10:21 PM MST up reply actions
I’m not saying we have great scorers, but he should get floor time with some decent shooters that may help him a bit. Well, after looking at our second unit, maybe he won’t be playing with decent shooters.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 12, 2011 5:10 PM MST up reply actions
it does seem like one of his niche strengths
may be driving into traffic and distributing the ball to big men. This argument is only taken from his highlight reel so not really a fair sample, but maybe his strength on the Suns second unit will be getting Robin Lopez some good rebounds/point blank shots.
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He isn't big enough to be a defensive specialist
although he’s fast enough to bother PG’s who aren’t going to just muscle him out of the way.
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Fast is okay, but how does he deal with the Russell Westbrooks of the world...?
It’s not like he is tall enough to bother their shots…
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Chauncey goes to the Clips
just not good for us…
"Steve Nash is more valuable for the Suns than Kobe for the Lakers" - Jared Dudley
They picked him off waivers...?
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ya
good thing the lakers arent smart. they could have picked up billups and traded Lamar and fisher for a decent back up PG lmao only wish suns had a team to capitalize on it and take them out in the playoffs like the old days
Lakers were not allowed to big on amnesty players
as they were in the tax
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Still over cap.
Under cap gets to claim the amnesty for those two days. If no one does, then it’s fair game for anyone.
borderline adequate
The Lakers had an insanely high payroll.
Like $90 mil or something like that I think.
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Didn't he say he would retire if someone did?
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
He threatened
but the Clips aren’t garbage – they’ve added Caron Butler to Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon. Chauncey is only the 3rd best guy on the team if he stays.
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DeAndre Jordan and Kaman could also be 3rd.
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It doesn't matter how much talent they bring in...
It’s still the Clippers…As long asvilest owner in sports, Donald Sterling is still there and the curse of Michael Olawakandi hangs over this team…They aain’t going anywhere…Mark my words…that organization is cursed…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Fix'd
It doesn’t matter how much talent they bring in…
It’s still the Clippers Suns…As long asvilest owner in sports, Donald Sterling Robert Sarver is still there and the curse of Michael Olawakandi Amare Stoudemire hangs over this team…They aain’t going anywhere…Mark my words…that organization is cursed…
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
well, that’s the bright side. tell us how you really feel!
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We'd have to fall through a black hole...
to reach the depths of the Clippers oganization…Suns ain’t nowhere on that plane of existence…
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by Daryl Ray on Dec 12, 2011 4:58 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Is that all the Suns have to do?
If there’s a black hole out there with another Blake Griffin on the other side then what is Phoenix waiting for?
Why won’t the powers that be “curse” the Suns with a new franchise player?
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by Jim Coughenour on Dec 12, 2011 5:03 PM MST up reply actions
Gotta suck for about 6 seasons straight and get some draft picks. Boy that sounds like fun times!!
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more like forever
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
to be fair the Clippers missed on a franchise player many times when they had top draft picks
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"missed out on a franchise player many times..."
cannot fully encapsulate the decades long managerial ineptitude, self-destructive behavior, poor decision-making and general buffoonery that quantifies the Clippers front office….
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Can you imagine how prestigious it would be
to lead the Clippers to an NBA title? Put that on your HoF resume, and you’re a shoo-in.
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It's a pipe dream...
ala the Fountain of Youth, Bigfoot, and a truthful politician…
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by Daryl Ray on Dec 12, 2011 5:10 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Grant Hill found the fountain of youth
Seen the pics of the guy from the last week? He looks like he’s 25.
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by East Bay Ray on Dec 12, 2011 5:49 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
he does look good
Benjamin Button would be jealous
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that's what we need
Vince Carter with an attitude and gun fetish
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Totally different player than Vince
If you group him as a “former superstar on the decline” then yes he is like Vince. He’ll be useful to be that go to scorer we need and would be the 2nd best player on the team.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
That's what the said about Grant Hill
and he’s still a contributor. So maybe Arenas could be too.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
I always liked him
except when hung 40 somthin points on us. the down side with arenas is that he’s relied on his athleticism and if that doesn’t come back he’s screwed.
happy turkey day
The Magic are paying him $62.4M to go away.
His last good season was 06-07. I really don’t see where he’d help us much.
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by East Bay Ray on Dec 12, 2011 8:43 PM MST up reply actions
I wish someone would pay me millions of dollars to go away : (
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by AcucracK on Dec 12, 2011 8:55 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd even settle for one measly million.
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by East Bay Ray on Dec 12, 2011 9:11 PM MST up reply actions
I'll go away from BSOTS for a hundred bucks
Just keeeeeeddinnngg
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by modernage13 on Dec 12, 2011 10:00 PM MST up reply actions
If Arenas could be had for a 1 year tryout at or below our 5m TPE, I’d sign him. I really would.
In fact, I’d give him 10mil over three years. If the man is willing to take a deal like that, I’d give it on faith that he’s also willing to attempt an attitude adjustment, and given the right environment, Arenas can ball.
borderline adequate
At that price, yes...
Unfortunately, too many GMs willing to hand him a lot more than that
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The last time he effectively "balled" was five years ago.
You can’t convince me that’s only a matter of attitude and environment. Pretty sure he’s done.
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by East Bay Ray on Dec 13, 2011 9:57 AM MST up reply actions
Toast or roast is proably the only question
But the Phoneix training staff has resurrected a few players in their time….
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but Vince Carter proved that Aaron Nelson is not the Wizard of Oz. He can’t give someone a brain or a heart or courage.
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by Alex Laugan on Dec 13, 2011 11:56 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
If Any Medical Staff Could Do it
It would be the staff here! I was actually talking with my Friend who is a die hard Blazer fan, and he said he would love to see him come here and continue his career.
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i’d love to see that.
"Steve Nash is more valuable for the Suns than Kobe for the Lakers" - Jared Dudley
me too
on a one year deal as a crapshoot for a title run. PHX ratings would def go up as people watch to see Nash Hill and Roy go for what could be a final shot for all of them. roy can still ball but he doesnt feel that trying to play for a couple more years is worth having the even worse knees of a 70 year old when hes 35. still one more season with phx med staff wouldnt hurt. id feel alot more safer then whatever Portland staff is doing up there. 4 guys to knee injuries. So thats why its called rip city i guess. R.I.P. to all star draft picks careers
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
All Roy Needs
Is some robot legs. Boom, good to go!
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Yeah seriously...everyone in Portland keeps getting knee problems
With Kurt Thomas being the oldest player and signing there, I’m sure it’ll be his last season.
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isn't that the last place a guy like him would want to be?
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Gosh, Kurt Thomas even at his age is still the most reliable backup Center in the NBA
I could always count on him to hit that mid-range jumper when left open, to give it his all on defense and do the dirty work for us in the paint. Those 18+mpg he gave us made a huge difference. It’s a shame Sarver traded him and two picks for nothing when we trying to win a freakin championship. Most frustrating off-season move ever.
Don't trade Dudley!
How awesome is that
I love Kurt Thomas and it is great to see him still having a place in the league. He definitely gives whoever he is playing for, a great player. And that trade…. I still don’t have words for it.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!
That was one of the worst trades that this franchise has ever done
And it may very well have cost us a title.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
That was back when I was just getting deep into the NBA and didn't quite understand everything.
I had no clue what was going on. It made no sense to me. I kept thinking, “So, what do we get?”
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ditto
it’s crazy how his knees literally just fell apart in such a short span of time……he had the ability to be a top 5 NBA player
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I don't know about that, right now I don't think Kobe is even a top 5 player.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
exactly
I didn’t say right now. Just said that he had the ability to develop into one. I wouldn’t put Kobe in the top 5 now either.
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Who is your top 5?
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A healthy Kobe is still that good to me to be in the top five...
1. Lebron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Dwayne Wade
4. Derrick Rose
5. Kobe Bryant or Dirk or Howard (Depends on the health)
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Too many swingmen
D12 and Chris Paul are top 3 with Lebron. Second tier is debatable.
We could debate this till the Clips win a championship...(Eternity)
The point is, everyone will have an oipnion…
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I go
1. Lebron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Dwight Howard
4. Chris Paul
5. Dirk
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I wouldn't put Chris Paul in my top 5.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 13, 2011 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
I do, if he's healthy.
LeBron, Wade, Howard, Paul, Kobe, Durant and on from there.
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If Roy's knees didn't wear out,
he would have had to retire from severe scrotum tearing due to the entire city of Portland hanging from his nuts.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 13, 2011 1:15 AM MST up reply actions
Gani signed by Spurs
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Boy if that comes back to haunt us I am going to kick a puppy!
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Ditto...
i don’t know why we kept Warrick. I don’t know why we went for Telfair instead of Ridnaur. I don’t know why we have to wait this long for basketball.
"Who are we kidding?..."
Markieff and Shannon Brown make Warrick irrelevant
Brown will run the pick and roll better, Morris will rebound and play better defense.
Might as well have dumped Warrick for a draft pick and given Gani a chance. It’s not as if that would make a difference in the win column.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 13, 2011 1:08 AM MST up reply actions
Shannon Brown is a 6'5" guard...
Versus the 6’9" Warrick…They don’t play the same positions…Nevertheless, the Suns still have a glaring hole at the 4 spot…
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Morris! He’s the savior!
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by Alex Laugan on Dec 13, 2011 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
I just hope he isn't the second coming of Earl Clark...
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Won't make it out of training camp
They’ll send him to their D League team at best.
I really wish they gave him a chance before waiving him
But I understand we already have 3 PF’s
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more like, the Suns already had three bigger Centers.
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I think it's more of a training camp invite than him beign signed.
He still has to earn a contract.
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Wouldn't surprise me if the Spurs turn him into a serviceable rotation player...
The Spurs do wonders for a small market team with their free-agent, trade, and draft decision making, versus a certain team with an owner we know with the initials, “RS..”.
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DELONTE!!!
As much as I despise many members of the Celtics (lookin’ at you, Rondo), Delonte is one of my favorite guys in the NBA. Craziest, most hood dude in the game. When asked about the composite ball being switched out for the leather ball midseason, he responds around 0:28… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6nmHflqcAo
by Bostonian Suns Fan on Dec 12, 2011 11:10 PM MST up reply actions
They totally beat me to the Lebron's mom's comment haha.
What about a kickball? Those things bounce like 20 feet in the air.
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Make their team as deep as possible
Kidd/Roddy/West
Carter/Terry/Fernandez
Marion/Brewer/Cardinal
Dirk/Odom/Wright
Haywood/Mahinmi
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
What the hell is a Mahinmi?
BAMF goes HAM.
by brian13 on Dec 13, 2011 1:14 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
An old, old wooden ship.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 13, 2011 1:44 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
ahahahahahahahahahana
funniest comment ever! I literally spit out my milk…
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Not anymore
They were planning to cause supposedly he was stuck in Spain, but his Visa issues have been resolved.
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by modernage13 on Dec 13, 2011 10:14 AM MST up reply actions
Rudy and Brewer to DEN for Jordan Hamilton.
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Really? I thought it was just for draft picks
Dallas is really trying to save money. They have a big plan next season.
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by modernage13 on Dec 13, 2011 10:57 PM MST up reply actions
Nope,
SBN screwed that up. It was for a 2nd rounder.
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I suspect Dallas will play a lot of Dirk and Lamar Odom together...
Odom is actually a good rebounder and defender and is a lot more versatile than Brendan Haywood, plus he is a lot greater offensive threat than Brendan…Expect to see Odom get the bulk of the minutes on the court
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Mark Cuban is attempting to win his fantasy league with his actual team that he owns.
His fantasy league from 2007 that is.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 13, 2011 1:09 AM MST up reply actions
Load up for the playoffs with a lot of quality rotation people...
Helps if a few folks go down with injuries and tyo keep the minutes of their starters down……
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What is Mr. Anderson's screen name?
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I saw that coming after posting this.
I just wanted to know which of the writers it is, S-N-P or Oceanary, or perhaps TimAllen if Tim Allen is not his real name.
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Prediction...
Dowdell will be out Seabass for the backup PG minutes by domination him in practice.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 13, 2011 1:04 AM MST reply actions
Telfair will be able to play pick and roll with Gortat
something Brooks never did.
In this article he says he is very motivated to learn from Nash and overall very happy to be here:
http://www.nba.com/suns/news/trainingcamp_telfair_111212.html
Alea iacta est!
I've never been a Telfair fan
But i haven’t seen that much of him. If he can be a playmaker for our 2nd unit i’ll be happy.
The Pacers just got Mayo for Rush and McRoberts. That’s a good deal for both teams. Pacers get some help on scoring for Granger and the Grizzlies beef up their front court with McRoberts. There goes any Lopez for Mayo pipe dream.
But he's cheap
I don’t much like fast food, but if I’m hungry and it is cheap…
No they didn't.
McBob to the Lakers.
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Too bad too
I liked McBob. But now I’m obligated to hate him. Oh well… maybe he’ll redeem himself by repeatedly falling into the side of Bynum’s knee.
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by jc79 on Dec 13, 2011 9:28 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Alex Kennedy Hoopsworld Tweets....
“Ronnie Price will officially sign with the Suns later today. It’s a one-year deal.”
by Mike_in_AZ on Dec 13, 2011 7:38 AM MST via mobile reply actions
yeah that seems to be an indication that Dowdell has a lingering (at best) injury through training camp and preseason. Tough for him and the Suns.
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Yea
I'm from Chicago. I like the Phoenix Suns more than the Chicago Bulls
by sunsfanfromchitown on Dec 13, 2011 8:20 AM MST reply actions
Does Ronnie Price signing mean
that we have 4 PG’s in the roster…
So someone will have to go? Are we preparing the ground to ship away Nash? Or Telfair maybe?
Kill me, all we’re doing seems so pointless
"Steve Nash is more valuable for the Suns than Kobe for the Lakers" - Jared Dudley
gotta have bodies. Dowdell is hurt, isn’t playing, knee issue. So right now, the only options are to play Telfair too many minutes or Nash too many minutes.
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So Dowdell season is going to be short? or you’re saying that we need people for the preseason workouts?
"Steve Nash is more valuable for the Suns than Kobe for the Lakers" - Jared Dudley
the latter.
i wouldn’t look into this too deep just yet.
depth is a good thing.
although i would think if Dowdell was only day to day with a minor thing, they probably wouldn’t bring in another player.
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by Wil Cantrell on Dec 13, 2011 8:48 AM MST up reply actions
The question is...
Can Ronnie Price give us any serviceable minutes…Fact remains with all these back to back, a few of these games we will have to rest NAsh for major (25-30 ) minutes…History tells us Sebastian can’t handle that amount of playing time and consistently produce at a productive level.
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guessing it will be a Telfair/Price tandem when Nash is out. Whoever looks best that night gets the most minutes.
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by Alex Laugan on Dec 13, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
That was the same problem we had last year.
Players could never get in an established rhtyhm
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when the ronnie price news broke
I figured dowdell was toast but damn he was waived before noon,Imagine the knee injury is a big factor here.I really like zdows energy wish the kid good luck.Thumbs up to our english patriarch toon army first I seen twitter the ronnie price deal this am.
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I was right
Goodbye Zabian…Farewell
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Good luck to a good kid...
Wish him the best…
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I was right too
I had a dream 3 days ago we signed someone else before the season started…but damn someone who averaged 3 points 1 assist and only 30 something percent shooting? Lets hope his defense and Laker killer skills is worth it.
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by modernage13 on Dec 13, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
starting to like price
In a uptempo system-http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=shFKExLuS_M
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And this is a pg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORImUkH8o7M&feature=player_detailpage
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