Phoenix Suns 2011-2012 Position Analysis: Power Forwards & Centers
- Marcin Gortat, C - It's only fitting that the most consistent and reliable big man last season for the Suns gets first mention in the analysis. Gortat was traded to the Suns just prior to mid season last year, and so far he has exceeded even the loftiest expectations in his short time on the team. He averaged 13pts, 9.3rbs, 1.3blks in 29.7min played...and shot an efficient 56% from the field while also making 73% of his free throws. The Suns will depend on not only the defensive and rebounding prowess of Gortat, but also the offensive skill set he brings if the Suns hope to compete for a playoff spot this season.
He has proven to be the most effective pick and roll partner for Nash and can also consistently sink a mid-range shot if the defense plays off of him. Not only that, but Gortat has shown the kind of drive and work ethic to continue to get better. He spent the off-season staying in shape and working on his game; and also spent time learning from arguably the most skilled center to ever play the game, Hakeem Olajuwon. His hard work and stellar play last season has some fans expecting him to push for an All-Star appearance this year...and while that's certainly not out of the question, it's more than likely that he will improve even more this season to become recognized one of the premier big men in the NBA.
- Robin Lopez, C - Before Gortat was the man in Phoenix, Lopez was regarded as a young, up-and-coming big man with a very bright future. At 7'1" (even without the hair) 260 lbs, Lopez has the rare combination of both true center size and athletic ability as well. Heading into last season the expectations were extremely high for Robin, who had a breakout season in 2009 before suffering a herniated disc that caused him to miss the end of the regular season and most of the post season as well. The herniated disc pinched the sciatic nerve going down his right leg causing inflammation, pain, and weakness. After rehabilitating his back and body during the 2010 off-season and being cleared to return to the court, the organization, the players, and the fans alike were hopeful that Robin would pick up where he left off and be the dominant, young big-man he had shown the promise of becoming. However, that never happened. Robin seemed to have lost the explosiveness, quickness, and bounce that once set him apart from other big men that size. Robin also suffered a foot and a knee injury as well...When he returned he looked clumsy and slow on the court, and the physical setback also seemed to take a toll on his psyche as well...He lost his self-confidence and seemed withdrawn mentally and emotionally. Gortat replaced Robin in the starting line-up and Lopez continued his descent as his minutes declined. it seemed that the front office had given up on him and the likelihood of a trade became an almost certainty.
If there is any bright-side to the NBA lockout and the shortened season this year, Robin Lopez might have found it. During the eight month hiatus from the NBA, Robin had time to let his body fully heal and continue strengthening his body. He stayed in shape and practiced regularly and also paid his way to Houston to train with Hakeem Olajuwon. By all reports, the rest and rehabilitation combined with his off-season training have seem to pay off in a big way. Lopez has drawn praise from the coaching staff and the players alike who have been very impressed with his progress so far in training camp. Everyone seems to notice that his explosiveness and athleticism is back. Not only that but his mood and emotional state seems much improved as well...and for Robin, that may be just as important to a successful season as anything.
- Channing Frye, PF/C - Frye's unique skill set as a big man fit's the Suns' style of offense to a T. Frye is a terrific three-point shooter who is also versatile enough to play the center position as well. He hardly ever scores off a pick-and-roll, but instead uses the pick-and-pop for the majority of his points...and he's been very effective at doing so. He's a match-up nightmare that forces the opposing big men to guard all the way out to the perimeter or risk leaving him open for an uncontested three that he won't hesitate to shoot. It's a classic case of pick your poison...leave Frye uncontested and live with the three that he's scored over 40% since he's been in Phoenix, or guard the three point line and leave the defense vulnerable near the rim where Gortat, Lopez, or even a slashing wing can take advantage of the void.
The problem usually arises on the other side of the court. Frye is by no means a great rebounder or defender, and he has earned a repetition for being a finesse player instead of a guy who can bang around inside. While Frye will probably never be considered a legit inside scorer/defender, he has been working on that part of his game as well to become a more complete player. At times Frye played some fairly effective defense in the post last season, and if he can do that more consistently this season it could really pay dividends for the Suns. Not only that, but if he can continue to improve his offensive game to make the other team pay when they run at him...with a simple head fake and a drive to the rim...Frye could become even more difficult to guard and become a greater threat to score in the paint as well. Frye has already evolved his game and improved since he first came to Phoenix, and if that trend continues this season and the Suns also get consistent production from the center position, Frye and Gortat/Lopez on the floor together could be a thing of beauty.
- Markieff Morris, PF - Markieff was drafted by the Suns this year with the #13th pick overall in the first round. Considered one of the most NBA ready big men in the 2011 draft class, Markieff was the second leading scorer for the University of Kansas (behind his twin brother Marcus) averaging 13.6 ppg in 24.4 minutes a game. Markieff also led the Big 12 conference in rebounding and field goal percentage, averaging 8.3 and 58.9% a game, respectively. Although his brother Marcus Morris was considered the bigger star in college, the Suns drafted Markieff before his brother because he plays more like a true power forward unlike Marcus who is more of a small forward. Markieff is also highly touted for his defense in the paint to go along with his scoring and rebounding...areas that the Suns are looking to get better at. However, Markieff also has a little Channing Frye in him; showing the versatility to be a very effective shooter and can also step out beyond the arc where he shot an impressive 42% last year.
The Suns really seem to like what Markieff brings to the court, not only in skills but in attitude as well. If the Suns are looking for more swagger from their big men, Markieff definitely fits the bill. Before he was drafted, Morris made headlines for going after Derrick Williams from the University of Arizona saying that he's, "not as good as advertised". He didn't stop there either...referring to how Williams was rumored to be a top three draft pick, Morris said, "It’s still surprises me. What he did to Duke, he wouldn’t do that to me or my brother. I’m dead serious. He wouldn’t. At all. He’s good. But if we was to work out, I would go at him and I would be able to stop him more than people would expect, you know what I mean." Since being drafted by the Suns, Morris hasn't been shy about tooting his own horn a little either. He certainly doesn't lack for confidence, and as long as he can back it up on the court then I don't think we'll hear too many complaints. Markieff brings a toughness that the Suns are looking for from their bigs, and he definitely has all the physical attributes and the talent necessary to compete at this level. He comes ready to play, and could quite possibly become a major contributor to the team right off the bat.
- Hakim Warrick, PF (SF)? - Hakim had a few really productive games for the Suns last season, and he also had a few really bad ones. Everyone knows what Warrick does well...Dunk! He was a pretty decent pick and roll option for the second unit and his offensive output wasn't bad, but his rebounding was only average and his defense was downright disappointing. Last season, Hakim began working on his jumper more so that he could become more than a one-dimensional offensive player. He had mixed results shooting the ball last season, but in the scrimmage last week, Warrick's shot looked much smoother and more natural and he was hitting his shots with confidence. Hakim worked on his shot during the long off-season, and it seems to have paid off. This may be important for him to find his way into the rotation, because with the addition of Morris along with Frye, Hakim could find himself the odd man out at the PF spot before long.
Warrick could compete for a spot in the rotation as a hybrid PF/SF though if he has truly added a reliable jump shot to his game. He will also need to prove that he can be quick enough to guard opposing SF's, but if he can manage to do so he would create a nice match-up problem for the other team. He is tall but extremely skinny and therefore finds it difficult to guard other PF's, but he could fare much better against smaller opponents and could possibly take advantage of his size in that role. His rebounding as a PF per 36min wasn't bad at 7.6 on average, but as a SF his rebounding would be an added bonus and his length could give us an advantage. Ultimately, there's no way to know how Gentry will use Warrick this season. But it's a safe bet to expect him to see some minutes at the PF spot, especially early on. However, Hakim may have to find a way to contribute at both the PF and SF positions if he wants to remain a part of the rotation.
- Garret Siler, C - Siler came into training camp last season at 6'11" and 330 lbs. He had limited experience playing basketball; beginning in his senior year of high school before attending Augusta State University. Siler was a big, strong player, but also very raw. The Suns must have seen something they liked in him though because they signed him to a two-year non guaranteed contract and began working on refining his skills, and also his weight. Throughout last season, Siler held up his end of the bargain by working hard both on the court and with the training staff and even saw a few minutes in games during the regular season.
He took care of himself during the long off-season and entered training camp in the best shape of his professional career weighing only 290 lbs, which is 10lbs under the 300 lb weight clause the Suns have placed in his contract. He worked out in Houston with Olajuwon during the off-season, along with Gortat, and he has also worked to improve his perimeter defense and rebounding. Still, Siler is looking to crack the rotation at the center position currently occupied by Gortat and Lopez...and that will be hard to do. He probably won't dress out for many games, and if he does, his playing time will likely be limited mostly to garbage time, or in case of foul trouble or injuries. However, Siler appears ready to take on the challenge and is eager to show what he can do. He could be a surprisingly effective option as a third string center this season, and he gives the Suns added size and depth should they need it.
Summary: The front court of the Suns has improved since the start of last season. Not only will Gortat continue to be a force in the middle, he should be even more effective after playing in the offense and working on his game over the off-season. And if Lopez can return to form, this will give the Suns a very solid core in both the first and second units that will help them on both ends of the court. It probably isn't an exaggeration to say that once again, Lopez could mean the difference between making the playoffs and missing them. A healthy and efficient Lopez could make a world of difference for the Suns, and when paired with Gortat, that could be one of the most dominant center tandems in the NBA.
Channing Frye will continue to be a big part of the Suns offense as well, and if he has improved his rebounding and defense over the off-season, he could be a more complete player for us at the PF position. Add to that the addition of Markieff Morris, who is as close to being NBA ready as a rookie can be, and our PF position suddenly has size, strength, and shooting ability.
Morris should be ready to contribute right away, but Gentry will likely ease him into the game a few minutes at a time to get him comfortable playing and to see how he does at first. Until he's ready to contribute on a more consistent basis, look for Warrick to get the majority of minutes at the PF spot in the second unit. Hakim will also have to prove that he can be a positive contributor to the team if he wants to stay in the rotation...especially with the young, hungry, and talented rookie breathing down his neck.
All in all, expect the 2011/12 Suns' bigs to have a productive year. Assuming Lopez stays healthy and effective, this unit should match up well against any other in the Western Conference, including the Lakers who lost some size after the trade of Lamar Odom. It's still entirely too early to know for sure, but this unit has the makings to surprise a lot of people this season if everything goes as planned.
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Im still a little scared with the rebounding on the team, it cant only be gortat
by Chanpreet Singh on Dec 20, 2011 7:18 AM MST reply actions
ET ( Elson Turner)
Stated that rebounding is his main focus on this season, he believes that just by grabbing a few more rebounds we should be able to win more games, look at portland, they are not better than us yet they get 2 and 3 chances to score on the same possesion by rebounding, so the task is up to Lopez, Frye and Gortat, and to be realistic, these guys don´t jump high and are not as agressive as other PFs and Cs, they will have to be smart and learn how to box out big bodies and not allow little athletic ones, like Wade and others, to grab rebounds either, is all about being bad and mad like Detroid back in the day.
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This is what
Makes K Love such a good rebounder. Not very athletic but extremely smart and fundamental.
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by Suns Fan For Life on Dec 20, 2011 8:41 AM MST up reply actions
That was (one of our) big issues last year – that we had 3 out four bigs below average: http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=265&player_ids%5B%5D=272&player_ids%5B%5D=266&player_ids%5B%5D=268
If Morris can be average to above (and his college stats seem to indicate he can), we should be in a better place. We just need to never again play Frye and Hak together, and we should be OK.
But how do Channing's DREB numbers compare?
He obviously isn’t going to get many OREBs because of where he is on the court most of the time. He’s become a decent enough defensive rebounder, hasn’t he?
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The only problem with that
Is that rebounding seems to be something people don’t get better at – at least no significantly. That makes sense to me, because rebounding is 99%, and that is personality more than training.
Don´t understimated Warrick
I know he is turrible at defense but the guy can score, 15 ppg is not the hardest thing in the world for him, with some playing time and a good ball movement Warrick should be a an excellent backup PF, i do admit his defense is a joke agaisnt Pau Gasol/Griffin/Beasly but -benching him is not a good idea knowing he can contribute right away on the offense end, besides he is the type of player, along with Childress, Nash loves to play with.
The one thing i would like to see from Warrick is a little bit more energy on the rebounds, be more energetic and scrappy.
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warrick
cannot create his own shot, his mid range is mostly awful, and he cant hit free throws.
i would agree that with more time on the court he could drop 15 ppg, but he’d probably give up 30 on the defensive end while getting out rebounded and pushed around down low. part of the problem is he’s playing the 4 when he’s a 3.
i think right now everyone is thinking positive, which is good…but Warrick is still Warrick until he proves he can do more, and he can’t do that if he’s not on the court. he now has both Frye and Morris ahead of him depending on how the lineup is constructed and how well Lopez plays.
I loved Warrick last year when he was tha WARMACHINE. That was good fun.
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by Wil Cantrell on Dec 20, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions
I hear he changed the mechanics of his shot
and I hope that’s true. Cuz that thing was ugly as hell last year.
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The problem was he faded away on every single fricking shot.
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SO MUCH THIS
Oh my it was frustrating.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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He needs to lift more weights
Biggest reason why sometimes he can’t finish his dunks.
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by modernage13 on Dec 20, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
I just don't think he has the build to put on more muscle mass.
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by East Bay Ray on Dec 20, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, he's like AK-47
I remember a few summers ago, the training staff tried to get him to put on more muscle and it just didn’t work.
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Great analysis, Big Guy...
A lot of depth to your analysis about Robin….I too believe Robin is the key. Gortat will get his 14 & 10 for the season, but for the Sus to do some things, I believe two players have to step up big..1) Shannon Brown & 2) Robin Lopez.
Lopez doesn’t have to be grat, just merely a good back-up. If he can give us say 8 & 6 from that back-up spot. I think that goes a long ways towards our success. Hakim also has an opportunity to get the Suns fans behind him by showing he can play a modicum of defense.
All told, I if we get 22 & 16 from our Center spot (Gortat, Lopez, & Siler) another 24 & 13 from the PF slot (Frye, Warrick, & Morris), then we have done well as a team.
The guards and wing play should bear out the rest.
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Lopez has to be better 09´ IMO
We need a lot to get this last run going, Lopez has to be a beast coming out of the bench or he might as well start, whatever the case is, making little progress is not going to get the job done, 8 pts and 10 rebs and 1bpg in 20 mins, be aggressive as hell and he need to box out and not allowing people having 2nd chances, so Gortat or any other Sun can get the rebound if not him.
Sincerely, a part of me die after i saw this.
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That is a pretty lofty expectation.
22 & 16 + 24 & 13 = 46 & 29
If the Suns got 23 points from the other three positions that would be 115 a game.
Last year Minnesota led the league with 44.4 per game, so if Phoenix gets 15.5 rebounds from the three other positions (combined) they would lead the league in rebounding.
So yes, they would do well as a team since they would most likely lead the league in scoring and rebounding (which is why your numbers are inflated and just a tad unrealistic).
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by Jim Coughenour on Dec 20, 2011 8:42 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe a little higher...
But not that much above what can happen…maybe 20 & 15 + 21 & 11 that equals 41 & 26 and that is realistic….
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Just saying...
Last year Gortat, Rolo, & Silo combined for 21.1 & 13.8 (not inclusive of Gortat’s time with Orlando)
Frye & Warrick aver 21.1 & 10.4…It’s doable to achieve that or better numbers with a full season and the right mindset…
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2011.html
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If you go past the starters,
everyone has the potential to be an x-factor.
Right?
Nash, Hill, Gortat, Dudley, and Frye are all pretty much known quantities as long as they are healthy. We all have a pretty good idea of what we can expect from them.
Everyone else is a question mark.
Lopez, Childress, Brown, Telfair, Price, Morris, Warrick…. None of these guys necessarily have me brimming with confidence.
I think the Suns need at least 3 of the 6 to provide a solid contribution in order for the Suns to be competitive this season.
It would probably work best this way – they need
either Lopez or Morris,
either Childress or Brown,
and either Telfair or Price
Realistically, at least one or two of these guys will suck out loud. They just can’t ALL be empty jerseys. The team doesn’t need to be 10 deep to succeed (I’ll take it though), but they do need at least 8.
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by Jim Coughenour on Dec 20, 2011 10:08 AM MST up reply actions
I expect Morris to play 30mins or more for the first preseason game later
and Gentry will try to see who he should really play with , Gortat/Morris ,, or Frye/Morris together on the court.
I don't know what to put in my sig.
I am not sure about Morris now
He feels like a mistake nowadays, Warrick is making a significant amount of money and we know what he can do, Markieff seems to have an attitude going i don´t like, and we still don´t know what he can do, he is going to get PT due the shortened season but he will have to be good right away for me to like him
Looking at the situation back then:
-Grant Hill was a FA, so we have a spot open for a SF.
-Marcus is more talented than Markieff.
-We already had a Rookie doing wonders overseas.
-We had 3 PFs by the time before drafting Markieff.
We drafted Markieff Morris.
-We waived Lawal, who was picked up by San Antonio, which means the kid is probably very talented and is going to hurt us in the future, the Scouting on SA is the best.
-We were forced to re-signed Grant Hill by the price of 6.5 mil, he is worth of but we might have use it on getting someone like Nick Young(10mil), if we hadn´t sign Brown(3.5mil)
-My guess is that FO is relying on Morris to add some serious numbers to the rebounding on our scoreboard right away, which is not likely.
If we had Drafted Marcus
-We would suck this season, and get a higher pick.
-Marcus could have lot of PT to develop.
-There will be no wasted money on Warrick by benching him instead of playing a rookie over him.
-We might have sign someone else, i don´t know but Brown/Hill/Markieff(10mil) vs Nick Young /Marcus (10mil), who would you pick ?
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We have wings we needed a PF
He was the best one they saw available. He happened to have a brother. Warrick is not the answer. Why should we draft another SF and try to fit him in to the 4. Like we tried with Hedo.
Insert epic quote here: "I got nothin'"
Not the case
I meant letting go Grant Hill, use his and Brown´s money to sign a SG, i would have pick Nick Young or Thornton, and play Marcus Morris as PF and getting a higher draft pick.
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Why would you let Grant Hill go?
He is a steal at 6.5 million for the production he will surely give us. Not to mention claiming that Marcus is the more talented kid is crazy, what are you basing that on? Scoring numbers? From every source that I have heard Markieff is a better rebounder, better blocker, better defender and can drain the 3 at a higher percentage.
I will take a superior defensive player any day, because much of what defense relies on is the desire to play it. It’s about 80% effort and 20% skill. Marcus, while not bad, trails his brother in this department. Offensive games can be learned, a major example of this is Jared Dudley.
I also have to agree that Warrick never really proved anything with last years play, he was inconsistent and undersized at his position, he really is a SF with the length of a PF. If he can learn to shoot like we all hope, then he may be a good 3rd string SF.
As for the moves this offseason, the Suns had one of their better ones. They have very few contracts that can’t be moved any longer, they have 2 players on 1 year contracts which if needed could be turned right back into cap space Grant Hill and Brown. While I like Nick Young a lot he was asking for too much this off season. Next season may end up being an easier sign now that he has learned he isn’t as in demand as he thought, not to mention he only signed a 1 year deal with the Wizards.
Simply put, I don’t want to suck to get a good team later. I want to watch basketball.
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by Keith Owen Martin on Dec 20, 2011 10:00 AM MST up reply actions
Hmm Umm Keith
I made a mistake, i meant SF, not PF, but yes anyway, i know, Grant Hill is a bargain but at some point is time to let go, and one year it´s pretty good if you look at what other teams went through, and while Warrick is not the solution i never meant that, in fact it only works for us to get a higher draft pick.
It could have been possible:
-Nash re signing for less money , 5 or 6 mil
-Nick Young or Marcus Thornton (10)
-Marcus Morris
And still having 24 mil going in 2012 and just looking foward to rebuild while still being watchable, whatever the case, this is in the past…
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by Lino Canaan on Dec 20, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
While that is an interesting team...
I think we lose the depth at our power forward and center that we have been after since losing Amare…I completely agree with you that we need to sign a good solid shooting guard, but I think if we do this next season we have a better chance.
I guess I am just not sold on Marcus…the Rockets don’t seem to thrilled over his start, but we shall see! Basketball tonight!
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by Keith Owen Martin on Dec 20, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
well that’s not even possible in the existing CBA. Suns had no money available to them to spend more than $5 mill on any one player. And no one wants the Suns tradeable parts at this point.
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That's a compelling argument you make
with your cunning use of facts, rules, and common sense… but I think maybe Lino is on to something here.
I’ll reserve judment until after he makes what I’m sure will be a devastating rebuttal.
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by Jim Coughenour on Dec 20, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions
Oh dammit now i gotta look for rebuttal in google...wait a sec...
Rebuttal ´´ rebuttal is a form of evidence that is presented to contradict or nullify other evidence that has been presented by an adverse party.´´ i kinda though by the context but anyway…
Alex is right, but i need his confirmation on something …
A Cap team is one whose salary cap number fits between $58 and $70.3 million. These teams are limited to using exceptions only: the new Mid-level (starting at 5 million, with a 4 yr max)
We are indeed a team cap even without re-signing Grant Hill…yikes this new CBA have a disgustin scent….but it is possible to get another contract which is above the 5 mil per trade? even though you are a cap team ?
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Sorry it took so long to reply to this.
1) Yes, a cap team can acquire any size contracts they want, as long as they send out +/1 50% in contract money. So, to acquire a $10 mill player, the player needs to already be under contract with another team (ie. not a free agent), and the cap team needs to send back between $5 mil and $15 mil in player contracts. It’s easier than the old CBA. The problem the Suns have is that no one wants their players right now.
2) cap holds = a mechanism to stop teams from first signing other free agents and THEN re-signing their own with Bird Rights to exceed the cap. So when your player contracts run out, they are a ‘hold’ on your cap until they re-sign, sign with someone else or retire. Funnily, even Jalen Rose is still a ‘cap hold’ on the Suns because he has not officially signed retirement papers. Suns had $18 million in ‘cap holds’ this offseason, which put them way over the cap and forced them to either release Carter or pay double for his salary because they’d be in the lux tax. Damn overspending Sarver!
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as long as they send out +/1 50% in contract money
should be: as long as they send out +/- 50% in contract money
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Will someone please get Jalen Rose to sign those retirement papers?
Slip in some papers fro retirement from ESPN too.
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i would not be surprised at all
if san antonio picked up lawal solely for the purpose of fucking with us. if so, mission accomplished.
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by u_must_chill on Dec 20, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
Is that why the Mavericks snatched up Carter?
Kind of interesting that two of the Suns biggest rivals (not to mention teams that are currently better than Phoenix) leapt on Phoenix’s discarded pieces…
I am a staunch supporter of Carter’s departure. I didn’t really care for him here at any price, let alone what it would have taken to keep him. Lawal is most likely inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
But interesting nonetheless…
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by Jim Coughenour on Dec 20, 2011 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
What are the odds Lawal makes the team?
He is the sort of project everyone jumps on – tall and athletic. The Spurs have the best D League relationship (with OKC), so they like to take on projects. We, however, couldn;t afford two (Siler + Lawal).
Lawal was awful in the D League game I saw – appalling. He is no big loss, seriously.
Morris will be very good for a rookie
I predict about an average power forward. Before anyone gets down on that, average is good – ESPECIALLY for a rookie.
My guess is that FO is relying on Morris to add some serious numbers to the rebounding on our scoreboard right away, which is not likely.
Why? The thing that stands out about Morris is that he should be a good rebounder. Rebounding is the one skill that translates from College to the pros (https://www.google.com/search?q=rebounding+translates+college+to+pros has lots of reads on this). That is the one thing we should be confident of.
The question mark is Morris defence, which is a big step up from College to NBA. If he can be decent, and he only has to be better than Hak or Frye, he should get minutes and provide the things we lacked last year (toughness and rebounding especially).
And if that is the case, he can play with Frye, which the poor rebounding Lopez and Hak just can’t.
Does anybody have any input on whether
Morris has legitimate NBA 3 point range?
I had heard he shot well from outside in college, and it was referenced again in 7footer’s exquisitely crafted dissertation, but college range and NBA range are two completely different animals. Some players that are competent at 20 feet (Marcus Camby) can’t take the step back and stretch the opposing defense by touting the threat of a potential three ball.
I just don’t know what to expect from him yet. Will he be more of a 16-20 ft threat, or does he actually have a chance at befuddling adversaries in a similar fashion to the Frye Guy?
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
Everything I've found has just referred to his 42.4 3P% last season in Kansas
but to me his form looks smooth enough that he shouldn’t have too much trouble moving it back a bit and being able to hit from NBA range. That being said, he is a rookie so it may take a little while for him to settle down and hit that 3pt shot consistently.
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In my opinion...yes
I watched a lot of the Kansas games last season and while Marcus was the more talented of the twins, there were certain things that Markieff did better…shooting from the beyond the arc was one of them. His stroke from the outside is very smooth and he shoots the ball with confidence as well. Marcus can also shoot the three, but he always looked more comfortable shooting inside the arc while Markieff had no problems hitting from outside.
The longer distance of the NBA three may take him a little while to get used to, but his form is pure and his stroke is consistent enough that I think he will be able to adapt.
With the circumstances surrounding the abridged season
and this being his rookie campaign, the more realistic perspective would probably be that he will focus on more rudimentary aspects of his game this season and the Morris moonball could be a wrinkle to add to his game in a year or two then???
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 20, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
the other thing here
is that we already have a 4 who is deadly from 3. I think it’ll be great to see how Markieff establishes himself as a complementary component to the Mr. Frye, rather than a facsimile of him.
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Good point...
I think they definitely like the added muscle and hustle (defense and rebounding) that Markieff can bring to the table. The only reason I think they may still want Keef to develop into another long range threat as well is so we can continue to stretch the defense when he has to sub for Frye.
There’s no doubt that Morris provides his own unique talents and skill set, but if he can also run the same plays in the first unit that Frye is usually involved in, it will give our offense greater continuity no matter who is in the game.
Like Jim said, I don’t think that will be his primary role as soon as he starts playing…I’m pretty sure they want him to focus primarily on defense and rebounding to start with, along with his inside game. But I would think that Markieff will also continue to work on his shooting beyond the arc as well so that it can become another part of his game in the near future.
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It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 20, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions
Dodge, duck, dip, dive, dodge
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by Airwave on Dec 20, 2011 10:36 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I think someone asked him if he has range meaning shooting from NBA three
And he said yeah so hopefully it’s the truth. I gotta find the YouTube video of it.
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by modernage13 on Dec 20, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
But that's the same response I would give
if someone asked me if I was good looking….
The source is unreliable and the facts of the situation are circumspect. I don’t think the kid lacks confidence, but confidence doesn’t always translate into results.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 20, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
Our frontcourt looks young, deep, and beastly this season.
Especially given how important youth and depth will be with the increased frequency of games. Who in the West has a better frontcourt than us? Memphis? Clippers w Blake? Lakers w Gasol and Bynum (for now…and nobody else)? Anyone else?
COACH GRANT HILL 2013
...pretty much every team besides
golden state, maybe sacramento lol.
Seems like an interregnum in logic...
The Suns have one of the best frontcourts in the Western Conference and Steve Nash at the point…. so they will struggle to make the playoffs.
I think I’m being fairly evenhanded in thinking that without Nash, Phoenix’s beastly frontcourt would probably savage the rest of the league to a ferocious record of about 20-46.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 20, 2011 1:27 PM MST up reply actions
Memphis just lost Darrell Arthur for the season
so their depth up there is now very questionable.
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At this moment Lopez will be a starter.
Few weeks ago, I posted that MG have to convince Coach, to be a starter. I’ve read a few articles. Gentry said that only Nash have strong position. MG didn’t convince Gentry, and Gentry is very satisfied of Lopez effort. I think competition in team is good , better player deserves to be a Starter. Time to work MG.You still have to prove ,how good player you are.
I sense NashMV3 somwhere behind this post...
Otherwise….
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No. That what I've said earlier.
I am not thrill reading that he hasn´t find his rythm yet.
He is a key player in our offense.
Blind enough to believe on Pudgemonster.
I wouldn't be suprised if he hasn't found his rhytm yet
Gortat has been touring around Poland for his foundation and various media and promotional activities, so the whole superstar thing might have got into his head.
I am not too worried though, he is a hard worker and if it turns out that his game is below par, he will step up in the next weeks.
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by PolishHammer on Dec 20, 2011 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
He's been doing that ever since he got into the NBA
He’s always been the guy, I doubt he’d suddenly go bonkers for no reason.
Hugs can fix any problem
Gentry left the starting center position open after being upset with Gortat during Sunday’s practice but was happier with his effort Monday, saying, “He was competitive. He gave me a hug for yelling at him (Sunday). He’s OK. He’ll be ready to go. And Robin has played well. Robin has had a good camp and those guys have really pushed each other.”
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the thought of gortat hugging gentry
is kinda heartwarming
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by u_must_chill on Dec 20, 2011 11:04 AM MST up reply actions

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