Michael Redd Coming To The Suns, Is He The Answer?
by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 9:47 AM MST
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PrintThere are several reports out there (starting with the pride of Apollo High School, Paul Coro) that the Phoenix Suns will sign former Milwaukee Bucks shooting guard Michael Redd. Redd is coming off two ACL surgeries on the same knee in 2009 and 2010 and has played a total of 61 NBA games in the last three years.
Last season, Redd was still drawing a huge paycheck from the Bucks and made a brief 10-game comeback at the end of the season. He averaged 4.4 points and 13.4 minutes in that stretch and perhaps most troubling, shot just .235 from three.
Redd, in his prime, was known as one of the best shooters in the game but never shot over 40% from three after his brief stretch from 2001 to 2003, and for his career is a 44.9% shooter from the field. His defense in the best of times was iffy and now he's 32 and years removed from a full season of NBA play.
Maybe with all this extra time to work on his game, the high-character Redd can come in and give the Suns the offensive punch they so desperately need.
Or maybe he's so far removed from playing in the NBA that he'll be a low-cost PR stunt to give the impression the team is trying to do something.
It's a low risk move for the Suns (assuming they sign him to a one-year minimum deal) with the potential for high return should Redd be able to recapture his prior scoring magic. In other words, why not give Redd a chance?
The only downside here is taking potential minutes away from other guys like Josh Childress or Shannon Brown. The upside is adding a former one-time All-Star (2004) and member of the 2008 US Olympic "Redeem Team" who holds the record for the most threes made in a quarter (8, 2002 vs Houston). The press release practically writes itself.
Update: It's official with a press release proclaiming: 11-year NBA veteran is a former All-Star, gold medal winner
"Michael Redd has a proven pedigree as a first-rate NBA scorer," said Suns President of Basketball Operations Lon Babby. "He will work with our renowned training staff to get into basketball shape. When he is ready to play, Michael will be a welcome addition to our team."
Here's what Bucks blog Brew Hoop had to say about a possible Redd return in February 2011:
Michael Redd ready to return--but don't hold your breath - Brew Hoop
Where you stand on Redd has a lot to do with how optimistic you are about his rehabilitation. If the 2011 Redd was something like the Redd we saw from 2002-2008, then a return to Milwaukee could make a lot of sense for both sides.It's painfully obvious the Bucks need a shot in the arm--especially on the offensive end--so it's easy to like the idea of Redd parachuting in to save the day. But let's be clear: Redd flat-out stunk on both ends the last time he tried to come back from a major knee injury, mixing in a few good games with far too many anonymous, bricklaying efforts.
And if Redd isn't going to be a useful scorer, then I'm not sure I see a compelling reason to give him important minutes down the stretch, especially if he's unlikely to return next season. Besides, we all remember his defense before he destroyed his knee, right?
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Let's try to snag Scoonie Penn as well.
Might as well reunite the 1999 Ohio State backcourt.
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
by Scott Howard on Dec 29, 2011 9:52 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
It's just all kinds of depressing
But it can’t hurt to give him some of Shannon Brown’s minutes if he can still shoot.
Just makes me laugh, Gentry going on about the team needing to run more….so let’s sign a guy with one knee. Yeah that will work.
i am staying positive that Gentry will get these guys motivated...
The Scott Howard part of me thinks that he has lost the team….
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Gentry is a country club coach IMO
Built to head a team with a ton of talent. Don’t think he can handle the building job.
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
by Scott Howard on Dec 29, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Well until he's gone..He's what we got...
He’s got to figure out a way to motivate these guys to compete…I may be an optimist of the highest order, but I hate fucking laziness….
Damn I need a drink…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Me too.
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by Scott Howard on Dec 29, 2011 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
this team has
a lot of problems…lazy isn’t one of them
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 11:15 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed. I don't think they're lazy. I guess Redd adds a "shooter", which is a rare commodity around these parts.
There are only two and a half guys I’m confident with knocking down an open 3
Nash
Dudley
and Frye, who is the “half”
We’ve slowly but surely stripped away the offensive firepower off this team because we started listening to the critics and the media and decided to turn away from our strengths in an effort to “get tougher defensively”. As long as Nash is here, we’re always meant to be an offensive dynamo with middling defensive prowess; we take our identity from him.
Surrounding Nash with role players who seem stronger defensively than offensively(Dudley, Hill, Chilldress, Price, Lopez, Gortat, etc.) and players whose offense is > than their defense but only because their defense is not that good at all(Warrick, Frye, etc.) just seems like a surefire recipe for disaster.
The push push push towards defense at the expense of the one real strength we had(offense up the wazoo) has been our downfall, IMO. In years past we used to have balance. Marion, Raja, Boris were all decent offensive players, but they were well above average on defense as well. Our 09/10 squad was the epitome of a balanced basketball team.
Anyways, rant over. I hope Redd can knock down a few shots.
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by rsavaj on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Thank you
Itd funny how when we stuck to offense we were a top seed in the weat and the 2 seasons weve tried to become “defensivr minded” weve stunk. Sonetines the best defense is a high octane offense(see new england patriots saints and packers) this michael redd move is decent but it should have happened a long time ago. If we had had him then we wouldnt have needed brown.
I agree that maybe we needes to sign better individual defenders(like price) but scheme wise our offense was our saving grace. Now its putrid and the D is ok at best but it collapses because were down by 30 at that point.
Btw shannon brown effed up his chances of getting a huge contract and im hopimg morris starts next game. his been out of foul trouble and if he gets any better hell be a great balance PF in this league and a starter for is in the future after weve brnched/traded frye
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by phxpurple on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I think it has less to do with a shift in mindset than a loss of talent either through age or trades or free agency
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
When people said get better defensively...
they didn’t say sacrifice all of the offense. There are plenty of teams that manage it, they just spend money on their teams and sign offensive shooting guards.
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by Keith Owen Martin on Dec 29, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions
This
Is worded perfectly. Recc’d.
by Bostonian Suns Fan on Dec 29, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
Lazy isn't the right word
But there IS something going on with these guys. It’s noticeable when the ball needs inbounding. Back in the good days, a big would quickly inbound it and the team would be racing down the court looking to score. Last night I lost count of how many times everyone just stood around waiting for someone else to inbound…it’s just not Suns basketball anymore.
If you want the team to run, surely that’s the first place to start. Inbound quickly, get back down the court. It genuinely frustrated me last night seeing everyone standing around once the opposition scored.
by Toon Army Sun on Dec 29, 2011 1:42 PM MST up reply actions
This.
So true. Its like no one wanted to pass the ball in. And I could see Gentry yelling at them to be quick about it, but still nothing.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 1:51 PM MST up reply actions
Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed it
Our players are always quick to inbound the ball and I saw people just turning and walking the other way expecting someone else to do it.
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Maybe shouldn't have said lazy...
But there is not the unction I am used to seeing from the Suns…Somewhere somehow, the mindset isn’t there…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
thinking too much…not sure about roles, etc…
That stuff will get better
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 1:59 PM MST up reply actions
thanks for the encouragement..
It’s not always easy to engineer the optimism train not that Haremoor is AWOL…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
He decided to comment last night in the game preview.
Now he just lingers around reccing random comments. Haremoor, speak to us NOW.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
Oh oh here's my 2nd joke....
If Michael Redd is the answer then the question must be “how do you become the worst team in the NBA?”
Shazaam!
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by Scott Howard on Dec 29, 2011 9:55 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
I thought the question was
What washed up, injured, cheap two guard can the Suns bring in, in a desperate attempt to try to suck marginally less?
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by East Bay Ray on Dec 29, 2011 10:24 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Will you be here all week?
Because you sound like you will be here all week.
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by Mike Lisboa on Dec 29, 2011 1:02 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
BAZZZINGA!
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by Keith Owen Martin on Dec 29, 2011 1:16 PM MST up reply actions
It's supposed to be implied.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 6:15 PM MST up reply actions
"how do you become the worst team in the NBA?"
The Suns hired David Kahn?
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 29, 2011 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
I'd honestly rather have Pat Burke back
He’s probably a better shooter at this point
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Ha!
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
Crap...
His defense in the best of times, was iffy
So what if he can shoot? Can he stop or at least hinder the other guy he’s assigned to defend with those kind of knees? The Suns are back again to getting guys who can’t play D.
It’s hard to find something positive out of this news.
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We were one of the best teams in the leauge when we couldn't play D
And I’m sick of all the carping about defense when all we’ve done the last five years is deal away our scorers.
If the guy can still shoot, maybe we can at least stay in contact with the also-rans of this league and avoid debacles like last night.
I can’t wait for Aaron Brooks to get back and save us from all these stopgaps we’ve put in place.
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by suns68 on Dec 29, 2011 11:06 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
This is a misconception
The D’Antoni era Suns were good defensively until they traded ’Ol Crazy Eyes – Kurt Thomas.
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If we could bring Kurt back then we'd have the 2 oldest players in the game.
Can’t top experience…
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
I would love to have Kurt Thomas back
He never had any athleticism to lose, so he’s still the same guy he was back then.
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He never really gets injured, or takes massive amounts of abuse on the court either.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
there's a great line from "fight club"
it goes something like, “only when you have abandoned all hope can you truly be free.”
i’m pretty much there at this point. ANYTHING positive that happens this season will be a bonus.
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
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Bleh.
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OT, but has anybody been watching the lolcats this season?
I think Boris realized it was a contract year.
8/11/9
16/16/8
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The Bobcats are really good
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There’s a reason I put him on my fantasy team!
Also, who else on that roster is going to put up numbers?
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 10:35 AM MST up reply actions
I totally slept on him. Got him off waivers yesterday on one of my teams, though. Yeehaw. He and Hawes!
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 29, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
And he’s still not even in shape! Imagine if he cared just a little.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
Umm...
Kemba Walker?
Oh, you said numbers. I thought you said shots.
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Henderson is rounding into a damn good player, but not a consistent scorer, yet.
Augustin seems to motivated by Walker’s arrival. D.J.’s scoring and passing are better than ever. Before he would take iffy shots and have low assist totals.
A healthy Tyrus Thomas will get points in bunches.
If Walker’s light comes on later in the year, then he can start putting up some high 20’s or better.
I live outside Greensboro, and I think the Bobcats will make a nice showing for themselves this year – if they stay healthyish.
Glad you’ve got something to look forward to, there. Been a while.
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It really has been. The days of LJ, Zo, Muggsy, etc. were awesome. I had my bedroom painted teal and purple when I was around 12 years old – and I lived in Buffalo. It’s a nice coincidence that I live here, now.
The second of my four years in AZ was the first in Nash’s tenure – of course that’s when I became an avid Suns fan.
Trade Chilly for Boris
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Ha!
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
Trade Chilly for a bag of popsicles
and a hot mom to hand them out to all the kids in the neighborhood!
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I wouldn't mind
Except it would probably increase our wins and thus decrease our chances at a decent pick
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
At this point, what can it hurt?
At best, we get an answer to our wings’ inability to put the ball in the bucket. At worst, our two-spot continues to be unproductive.
Let’s face it, for as much as I love the guy, J-Dudz is simply NOT a starting two-guard. He’s best served as a spark off the bench.
And Shannon Brown, if the last two dreadful games were any indication, is best served soaking up quality pine time.
by I_Still_Love_You_Pat_Burke on Dec 29, 2011 10:16 AM MST reply actions
Agreed totally. We have to try something and it’s a low risk move. He seems like a good character guy. Give it a shot.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 29, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah...
We really have nobody who would start on other teams outside of Nash, Hill, and Gortat (maybe Lopez since he is playing well). I am le sad……
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
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Let’s try out Marbury and Iverson too. Perhaps even Antoine Walker could help us somehow.
All kidding aside, I voted for ‘Why not give Redd a chance…only good can come of it’ because I don’t care for pessimism.
If another way to interpret "good" is "hilarious" then I totally agree.
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by Scott Howard on Dec 29, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
I'm thinking.
Coalition to “Nuke ’Em. Nuke the Bastards” …… (hello Independence Day reference).
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
by Scott Howard on Dec 29, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This is why we should have signed Arenas.
That my friends, would be comedy gold.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
We already tried Marbury
and we won 44 games, 4 more than last season.
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By the way
Can he not just be signed to a 10 day contract or something? Veteran’s minimum seems like a lot.
no ten days
In a regular year ten days cant be offered till around the 2nd week of jan,given the lockout Im not sure when ten day deals become an option.
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by stevedavis_ on Dec 29, 2011 10:29 AM MST up reply actions
At this point im not sure what the "OFFICE" can really do.
They stripped the garbage off the team. Singed 1 year contracts and looks to prepare for the offseason. Aside from a mircle mid season trade I’m all for letting them do whatever they want in this season. Aside from signing any long term bone headed deals.
The only other alternative would be to burn the ship and I think that chance left when we kept Nash after losing STAT.
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All in all I'm still glad we are not Miami
Atleast I could still be proud to be a fan. :)
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by Revkrazy on Dec 29, 2011 10:28 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
His ten game stint
@ the end of last year we shouldnt read too much into remember how amare looked when he tried to come back in mid season after micro fracture.While a shell wof his former self anyone with a pulse who can hit a jumper will help this team,Hell what is piatkowski up to these days?
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excellent point, SD
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by Wil Cantrell on Dec 29, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
Last I saw him he was doing the sidelibe reporting and/or doing the color for Nebraska basketball games.
I haven’t heard from him recently, and he might have just taken himself out of his misery after having to watch that mess of a team.
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Redd might be the answer to
how are we going to nail a top draft pick without appearing to purposefully tank?
I still can’t decide if I want our team to win a whole bunch of games or lose a whole bunch of games.
borderline adequate
Fortunately the Suns will make that choice for you.
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by Scott Howard on Dec 29, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
Last night was a bit of a hope murdering experience.
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by Scott Howard on Dec 29, 2011 10:42 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Being the New Jersey Nets is hope murdering..
we are just at the faith crippling state…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
At least we have nice weather this time of the year...
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions
This is a good signing if...
…Redd and Frye team up to make a commerical together.
Why has no one raised the issue
’What’s the point?’
It’s obvious this isn’t a playoff team so why sign a guy who obviously is on his last leg (pun intended)? Don’t we have enough sparkling vets on what should be a rebuilding team?
Perhaps there is an AARP discount for teams with X amount of vets on them?
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It's a contract year for Aaron Nelson.
We want to make sure he still has it.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions 16 recs
rec
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Definitely understand your point...
But look at it from the FO standpoint. How can you justify to your fanbase and season ticket holders going forward with the product we have out on the floor right now?
Even if it’s too little, too late, they still have to try to improve this team within the constraints they have implemented (not committing more money toward the salary cap so they can be players in 2012 free agency), so taking chances on relatively inexpensive former all-star free agents may be their best bet.
by 7footer on Dec 29, 2011 11:23 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I also understand this
as I’m first and foremost an avid Hornets fan. However, I would believe the fans would support a youth movement if there is no good alternative. Besides, it’s only two games and I’m willing to bet Dudley, Frye and Co. will start knocking down some shots. :)
I would rather just ride it out
If this team is going to suck this badly. I have no problem with them trying to do something but I am just about 100% convinced we have absolutely no shot at the playoffs. Time to think about what to do with Nash and Hill. We have til the trade deadline!
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Obviously the point is: let’s try to make this season less embarrassing.
by troglodytes on Dec 29, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
We can rebuild him. Make faster. Stronger.
Im confused how he was considered on of the best shooters in the NBA but averages a 44% from the field?
Was he just that bad the years after he got hurt?
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because
people truly do not have a clue what it means to be a good shooter…
by hubertdavisfor3 on Dec 29, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions
this!
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by Alex Laugan on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
because he
was on a bad team and forced shots….he never played with enough talent to put up more efficient numbers.
He was a GREAT shooter…we’ll see if he still is.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 12:48 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
One of the purest strokes together with Ray Allen and Allan Houston.
I have nothing but sympathy for the guy.
Maybe he can rebound here?
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Dec 30, 2011 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
If this means there is a possibility of waiving Shannon Brown or Telfair
I am all for it. I would rather have the stiff that MIGHT be able to make a shot, than the athletic wonders that can’t do anything right.
And why is Shannon Brown getting any minutes???
by hubertdavisfor3 on Dec 29, 2011 11:04 AM MST reply actions
Save up for the 2012 offseason to sign whoever is left after we strike out on Howard and Deron
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
According to Coro, this signing was well-received by the players.
I’m currently indifferent. We were already so bad offensively that adding Redd couldn’t possibly make it any worse. The final verdict will drop after we see him play.
Also, this is the 2nd washed-up, former All-Star SG we’ve gotten in the past year. I’m beginning to notice a trend…
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
Yeah because it probably means he's going to Iowa
I would be pissed too
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Pudgemonster is not allowed to go anywhere.
Seriously, he’s too big to leave the building.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Iowa or this Suns team? Iowa is looking pretty good right about now.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
Clearly you haven't been to Iowa, then.
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by jc79 on Dec 29, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Nope.
But I was at the Suns game last night.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
Rec!
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Nothing about Iowa looks good
Other than Ron Paul is going to win in Jan.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
Suns
D-league affiliate this year is in Bakersfield…FWIW
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
Ha!
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
We always say "Hey, it can't get any worse if" and then it always does.
Hedo.
Shaq.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
Shaq makes more sense than Redd.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:15 PM MST up reply actions
Better shooting percentage as a Sun
Redd vs Shaq?
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
Lawyered...
However, I bet will wish we have Shaq’s offensive prowess back once Redd shows what a bad signing he is.
"What's with today, today?" - Lucas
by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
You're right... we should get Shaq out of retirement
And maybe Chris Webber as well. Just think of that starting lineup!
Nash/Redd/Hill/Webber/Shaq
We would be unbeatable! In 1999!
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Or a geriatric league.
"What's with today, today?" - Lucas
by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
He is known as a high character guy.
I met some people in Alabama where he spends time at a youth camp. THey had nothing but good things to say about his character and personality. Very humble. Did not look for any publicity or notariety. Sounds like a couple of guys we know who also play for the Suns. Should at least be a good locker room guy. He is a blessed man and we will be as well.
Fan of the TEAM not a player.
by Suns Fan For Life on Dec 29, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This is very true
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
That’s one of many reasons I am on board with it. You can bitch about a lot of things regarding our team right now, but you can’t bitch about this move. There’s no risk, and we have to try.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 29, 2011 3:54 PM MST up reply actions
Or maybe he’s so far removed from playing in the NBA that he’ll be a low-cost PR stunt to give the impression the team is trying to do something.
This, exactly this. And it seems to be working going with the poll results. The new sideline social media reporter probably made this move.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
I am all for desperation, but this is pathetic.
While we’re at it, let’s go get Allen Iverson.
"What's with today, today?" - Lucas
by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:10 PM MST reply actions
"Allen Iverson coming to Suns... Is he the Answer?"
Yes, yes he is
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I thought that was Paul Pierce's name, but I believe it's The Truth, which is a lie.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
We might as well go after Paul Pierce...
It’s time we give the players the Truth…
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
You know
It would be awesome if the FO announced new uniforms for next season. That would make me feel better.
Don't trade Dudley!
by Beavis 25 on Dec 29, 2011 12:17 PM MST reply actions 4 recs
-1
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
You like our jerseys?
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Yeah. I really do.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
You sir are one of the few.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
I like them too
But id like a black jersey like the heat.
“The Black Suns”
Or maybe the black holes
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
by phxpurple on Dec 29, 2011 12:55 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
The way our team is imploding
we probably should change the name to the Black Holes.
Yes, those would be some sweet jerseys.
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Since that is the presumed final stage of Sun's life, I find appropriate.
You sir, just blinded me, with science.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
Stealing my material is not cool, you guys.
There’s no way anyone could have possibly come up with this joke on their own. It is not obvious and I fail to see how anyone else could have made this connection without previously having been aware of my game thread comment.
I will be pursuing legal action.
I heard rumors of new unis…
Possibly a name change too to the "Black Holes"?
This not good basketball.
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by Mike Lisboa on Dec 28, 2011 7:40 PM PST reply actions
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by Mike Lisboa on Dec 29, 2011 1:14 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd so I can un-rec you.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 6:17 PM MST up reply actions
This conversation here clearly started before 740 PM PST...
"What's with today, today?" - Lucas
by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 6:18 PM MST up reply actions
Ha Ha. I'm stupid.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 9:32 PM MST up reply actions
Black jersey's are stupid and uncreative.
Futhermore, they only work if you’re playing outside, in Phoenix, during the Summer and the other team is wearing it.
"What's with today, today?" - Lucas
by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously?
"I could have been king, but in my own way I am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
Seriously.
"What's with today, today?" - Lucas
by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 9:32 PM MST up reply actions
I’d be happy if they just switched back to either of the previous jerseys.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
Our new logo will be this
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by jc79 on Dec 29, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
lol, that would be awesome
Then the caption would be, “Time to Rise”. Seriously, what was the marketing committee thinking? How is this team going to rise?
Don't trade Dudley!
they chose the slogan, "Time to Rise," because they want the SUNS offense to wake up...
Rise and shine!!! Wakey, wakey!!! This is your 4 am alarm call!!!
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 29, 2011 7:03 PM MST up reply actions
With the way things are looking, this would be more appropriate...
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
by NashMV3 on Dec 29, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions 12 recs
rec'd.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
I feel like Michael Redd is like Brandon Webb
great players earlier, but injures destroyed their carrers.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Why can't he be like Grant Hill?
People DO bounce back from injuries sometimes. There’s really no way of knowing right now. But there’s literally no “worst-case scenario” for this signing, so why can’t we just be thankful that the FO is at least giving the appearance that they give a shit?
by iwasneveryoung on Dec 29, 2011 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
But it's just an appearance, they don't care.
Sarver really wants us to be a team that barely sneaks into the playoffs so at least we make money.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
I don't really think that's a fair assessment.
If it’s all about money for Sarver, he would make us really good, garnering a huge following and allowing us to compete for a title every year, thus bringing in more revenue. I think he cares, I just think he sucks at his job. He always had Amare and Nash, so he never had to do TOO much. After losing Amare, he tried to make up for his absence, but failed miserably. At least with this signing, it’s clear he is at least aware of our weakness. That’s a step.
by iwasneveryoung on Dec 29, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
But if he assembles a championship team
then he is going to have to spend more money he won’t make that much more. I think he has never really tried to make this team great. Nash, Hill and I guess Shaq were the only moves that tried to make us better. The Raja Bell signing was a surprise because he was supposed to suck and was replacing Joe Johnson. Same thing with Diaw, and no one expected Tim Thomas to save us in the playoffs. Suns have been about low risk low contract guys and thats not gonna get it done, no team will ever win a championship with Channing Frye and Jared Dudley as starters.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
In no way was Raja Bell supposed to suck. Did he overachieve here? Yes, but he was brought in because at the time he was a quality starter.
I don’t think its fair at all to say he never tried to make this team great. He tried and the team was great, they just never won a championship. People seem to forget that in having Nash, Amar’e, and Marion/Shaq, the team had a lot of money tied up. We couldn’t just spend money if we didn’t have it.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 1:03 PM MST up reply actions
He only started half the time on Utah, and that team was terrible they only won 26 games and drafted Deron Williams the next year.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
The year before they weren't too bad.
Bell had two nice seasons in Utah. Before he was a good defender with no offensive game. In Utah he learned to shoot.
Don't trade Dudley!
He tried to make us great in 06
When he re-signed Diaw and Barbosa. Diaw just became Doris. That was the “Eyes on the Prize” year or 06-07. Afterwords, he started making the team worse to save money.
Don't trade Dudley!
Diaw actually didn't do TOO terribly that year
He just didn’t really jive with Amare down low. When Amare was off the court, Boris still made the offense flow. I remember quite a few Nash to Diaw to Marion plays that year.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Yes
But don’t forget he came into training camp with a bigger butt and gut. The guy wasn’t worth the contract.
Don't trade Dudley!
It is kind of remarkable how large he has become
And how he can still throw up near triple doubles seemingly without exerting any effort
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
If he were on the Suns right now, he might just be our 2nd most talented player to Steve Nash.
That guy could have been an all-star had he cared a little more.
Don't trade Dudley!
How many players can you name that went from being an NBA point guard to playing center in the league?
Boris, Magic and LeBron…
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 1:20 PM MST up reply actions
I don't LeBone played center ever
It’s just Boris and Magic, iddn’t it?
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He could be Odom but better if he ever wanted to.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
The only real cost cutting move I can think of is trading Kurt Thomas. I won’t count trading any draft picks because we had a coach that wouldn’t dare play them.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 1:11 PM MST up reply actions
Kurt and James Jones for nothing.
07 was the summer he made our contending team worse just to save money. We only got Grant Hill because he was willing to come cheap.
Don't trade Dudley!
But Jones couldn't do anything for us at that point.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 1:20 PM MST up reply actions
Oh I totally agree. I just think it’s funny that people love to say Sarver is and has always been cheap, but there’s really only one time you can point to that and it was that summer.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 1:25 PM MST up reply actions
Definitely.
And didn’t it pretty much even out when we traded for Shaq anyway? I don’t know the numbers but I thought I read somewhere that in the end trading Marion for Shaq ended uo costing us virtually what it would have cost just to have kept Thomas.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not sure because Miami also took back Banks and his 5 mil contract.
But that trade pretty much did admit they screwed up by letting Kurt go. Yeah, we needed a big-man, but not Shaq. Kurt would do just fine and I would rather have him and Marion than just Shaq.
As bad as it is now, that year was worse in my book. I meaning coming off of the suspensions and trying to compete when you know you’re not going to win it hurts more than just sucking like we do now.
After they traded Kurt, the draft picks and Jones for nothing, I knew that the Hill signing was in vein and we wouldn’t be able to go all the way without a big-man. I always say, Hill came to us one year too late.
Don't trade Dudley!
Yeah, but...
…we certainly still had a shot that year. When we traded for Shaq, we were in first place still.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 1:52 PM MST up reply actions
We did have a shot, but it was a long-shot.
There just wasn’t enough time for the team to adjust and they needed another piece that wasn’t Giriceck.
Don't trade Dudley!
Worst trade in Suns history
Can you imagine if we had kept that 06/07 squad together, AND added Grant Hill?
Eff that trade.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
That team would have made the finals and perhaps even beaten the Celtics
However, I think ship had already sunk due to Marion’s constant complaining. The 7SOL teams needed to be happy to go all the way and I don’t think they could have if Marion kept up his complaining. You never know though. Had we Kurt, we might have not lost to so many contenders that year and maybe Marion would have decided to just shut up and worry about his contract extension the next summer.
Don't trade Dudley!
I agree
If we had kept Kurt and signed Hill, I think we could have done some serious damage that year.
Nash
Raja
Hill
Marion
Amare
Diaw
Barbosa
Junior
KT
I’d go to war against any team with that 9
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Me too, and that's without JJ
Coach D would only play 8.
Plus, those 8 could be shuffled to from a variety of really good rotations. It’s a shame Kerr decided to cut Kurt when he could have just cut Banks and traded Tucker.
Don't trade Dudley!
I don’t think Marion would’ve stopped complaining. I think trading him was the right thing to do. We just traded him for the wrong player.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 1:21 PM MST up reply actions
I'm really not against the Marion for Shaq trade
I am a firm believer in Seven Seconds or Shaq….the problem is that we only got a few games to see what that would really be like. D’Antoni adjusted on the fly when we got Shaq and we finished 15-5 that season. Flamed out in the playoffs, but I really thought that with a full training camp we’d do great.
Then the Porter debacle happened.
Then the Gentry SSOS happened , but Amare went down. I thought SSOS could have been awesome but we never really saw what it could do.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
It could have been.
I wish D’Antoni wouldn’t have jumped ship so quickly. Or at the very least we would’ve given the head job to Gentry from the start. As far as I know that was the first time in my lifetime that the Suns hired from the outside rather than promoting from within and it couldn’t have worked out any worse.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 1:32 PM MST up reply actions
That was Kerr's biggest mistake
He didn’t listen to the players when they said they wanted Gentry if not Coach D.
Don't trade Dudley!
Definitely.
I really think had he and Porter not been good friends, he would’ve went with Gentry. It just made so much more sense.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 29, 2011 1:54 PM MST up reply actions
Rudy Fernandez, Luol Deng, Rajon Rondo, Marcin Gortat all cost cutting moves
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Yep, and although Coach D wouldn't play rookies
We could have traded those picks for valuable role players.
Don't trade Dudley!
Not true
He plays Landry Fields lots. Dantoni just didn’t Play bad rookies. Mental exercise: name a rookie d’antoni didn’t play who became a player elsewhere.
by MMotherwell on Dec 30, 2011 5:48 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I think the point is they sold most of our draft picks because D'Antoni wasn't going to play the rookies anyway.
He wanted the short bench. That’s why we got rid of the picks that turned into Andre Iguodala, Rajon Rondo, Nate Robinson, Marcin Gortat, and so on.
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Grant Hill is 1 in a bajillion here.
Not many people have the kind of character and determination to do what Grant has. I refuse to acknowledge it is possible for another person to do it, until they have. And it isn’t going to be Redd.
"What's with today, today?" - Lucas
by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
But maybe "here" is the defining factor
Come on Aaron, warm up those magic finger Proske taught you… you gots work to do.
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Grant was also starting from a higher talent level…at his best, Grant Hill was a top player in the game. Top.
Redd was a one-time All-Star. He was basically Ray Allen but not quite that good.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 12:54 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Love the last sentence.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
well, yeah.
my point is just that players CAN bounce back from critical injuries and still be productive. If Redd is a high character guy like Hill, and hasn’t shown any obvious signs of regressed desire to play ball, then who knows, maybe he’ll be alright. “Alright” is better than what we’ve got going now.
by iwasneveryoung on Dec 29, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
agree…it’s certainly possible.
I’m cynical and there’s certainly a PR component to this but overall, why not? Low risk, high reward potential.
That said, I’m not expecting much but won’t be shocked if Redd can produce something and win a few games for the Suns.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 1:22 PM MST up reply actions
Worst Case Scenario
Redd kicks ass for 10 games, blows out his knee and has a medical retirement. In the mean time, we trade Shannon Brown to the Spurs for a second round pick. Shannon Brown has a career year. Spurs win the Title. Suns suck so bad they wind up with the 13th pick again. We draft our future PG with the second round pick, only to trade him to the Celtics, who win the Title the next year. And five years down the road, we’re the Cavs.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Shannon Brown's Futue Career Year Stats:
9 points per game
2 rebounds per game
2 assists per game
Fuck! We missed out on THIS?
by iwasneveryoung on Dec 29, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions
But once we trade him to the Spurs
He’s pulling 30/20’s on the regular.
"What's with today, today?" - Lucas
by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
front flip dunks on the fast break
every other possession.
you’re probably right…
by iwasneveryoung on Dec 29, 2011 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
the dude does have some serious hops.
"What's with today, today?" - Lucas
by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 1:01 PM MST up reply actions
And flopping like a Ginobili
getting free throws left and right…
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Lol, this seems vaguely familiar, but I can’t put my finger on it.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 29, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions
What is the best case scenario?
He can still shoot, ends up taking the starting 2 guard spot, and averages 19 points a game while playing pretty bad defense.
Seriously, where does that get this team? Not into the playoffs. A worse draft pick, with less time given to players like Dudley and Childress, who we need to evaluate going forward.
I know Sarver said he doesn’t believe in a tear down rebuilding project, but I think that decision has been made for him already, like someone mentioned above
by UASun on Dec 29, 2011 12:35 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I was playing NBA 2K12 the association
and I wasn’t playing as the Suns, but in that game the Suns got the second pick. THERE IS HOPE!
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Wow. We are really digging for sunshine here.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
Pretending this team is good
Would have to involve closing your eyes and plugging your ears during games. For effect, it would help if you were rocking back and forth in the fetal position.
None of that is real optimism or “sunshine”, it’s crazy.
Looking forward to a good young player to draft, or we can get back for a Nash-Hill-Gortat package can be optimism
by UASun on Dec 29, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Spoken like a true U of A alum.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 12:45 PM MST up reply actions
yes.
"What's with today, today?" - Lucas
by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 6:22 PM MST up reply actions
Speaking of U of A alums,
and crazy… how about Gilbert Arenas?
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I'd sign him
to a one year. I would.
borderline adequate
by waxmonkey on Dec 29, 2011 1:26 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
only if he brings his guns with him. this is still the Old West.
"What's with today, today?" - Lucas
by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 6:23 PM MST up reply actions
I'm going to the game on Monday
I think I will bring the right charsma and trash talking the team will need for a strong run.
Shoot…
2009-2010 playoff my trashing talking at Richard Jefferson about his comments he made to us in highschool had him all messed up.
Youre welcome.
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Tell them they all suck.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Oh trust me I wasnt going to trash talk Golden State. LOL
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If we are going to sign players with knee injuries and hope for the best,
then why didn’t we keep Amare by offering him the max contract?
Phoenix Suns and Steve Nash. That is all.
by PhoenixSons on Dec 29, 2011 1:15 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
$99,000,000 vs. $1,500,000
That pretty much sums it up.
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by Mike Lisboa on Dec 29, 2011 1:20 PM MST up reply actions 5 recs
i don't know...
he pretty much wasted two years of contending due to that move. This next summer is going to be huge, similar situation to the Knicks in 2010. If Sarver can’t land a good star, the fanbase just might kill him.
Don't trade Dudley!
by Beavis 25 on Dec 29, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Not a bad signing
What do we have to lose?
by forget on Dec 29, 2011 1:37 PM MST via mobile reply actions
If we cared about draft position
Nash would be outta here!
I thought you guys were planning on a postseason run? This guy could help. And if he doesn’t help (which is likely) , there isn’t any risk involved
by forget on Dec 29, 2011 1:44 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yes but that was before we saw them get completely
dismantled by the Sixers.
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Suns get the 3rd pick in the draft
Stern: There is a trade, the Phoenix Suns trade the 3rd pick in the draft to the Lakers for cash considerations.
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by Suns R Us on Dec 29, 2011 1:53 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
LOL...
Phoenix Suns and Steve Nash. That is all.
Please dont...
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This brings back bad memories of the stupid trade to unload Kurt Thomas...
Damn you Suns R Us…..
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
i'm afraid....
of a panic trade that involves our 2012 pick, in an attempt to make the playoffs this year. hopefully the fo is smarter than that.
It took two games.....
This is an interesting early season turn of events. Everything has been very entertaining with the exception of the 48 minutes of live game time last night.
The sang-froid of segments of our eclectic little coterie seems to have been shaken by the performance which prompted Paul’s 4 A alliteration… but I remain stolid and unflappable.
Two games isn’t enough time to make a reasonable analysis. The sample size is Lilliputian, the overreaction is Brobdingnagian. I refuse to make any kind of knee jerk reaction to an 0-2 start regardless of how bad the team played. Maybe other people think this is the first time they saw the team “give up”, but I can remember thinking that LOTS of times through the years….
Although the fan reaction is expected, I find it interesting that the front office is seemingly mimicking the delerium… What is Redd’s signing except a logical lacuna by Sarver’s cognoscenti where they mirror the desperation of their fanbase?
Have the Suns pressed the panic button?
Maybe not. One could argue either way. It reeks of the fetid stench of panic and hopelessness to me….
The team had an obvious gaping hole in terms of a pure scorer and a closer. Everyone knew this. Management chose not to address this need because there wasn’t an option to do so that wouldn’t compromise the plan to create cap space this offseason. Signing Redd now is both nugatory in terms of the likely benefit and detrimental in terms of revealing the soft, weak underbelly of a team’s plan and infrastructure. How do the Suns talk to other teams from a position of power after making this effete signing?
I am not giving up yet. I know the ceiling for this team is low. It is akin to that low ceiling that Rolo was hunched under for so long which wouldn’t allow him to stand up straight and was deleterious to his posture. *Citation required. The season has peaks and valleys. Giving up after two games is ridiculous.
Maybe fans are panicking.
Maybe the front office is panicking.
I’m perfect to chill.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 29, 2011 2:58 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with the part about not overreacting after 2 games. Lots of teams are playing poorly with the abbreviated training camp. We can take nothing from these first 2 games. And the bench so far is exceeding expectations. We just need the starters to get their heads out of their asses. I still think that will happen.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 29, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions
It is a panic move
You don’t sign someone like Redd 2 games into the season because things are hunky dory.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!
Of course we're overreacting, that's what we do
However, this might just be our least talented team since…HOLY CRAP, the 80’s!
I’m being serious too, didn’t think about it until today.
37 year old Nash and some role players. 03-04 had Amar’e, JJ and Marion. I’d even say our 01-02 team was more talented. Marbury and Marion were pretty good then. Hopefully, for what we lack in talent we can make up in effort to be at least as good as the 02-03 Suns that made the playoffs with a record of 44-38.
The overreacting to me is more due to the realization that this might be our least talented team since the 80’s. I’m just not used to this.
Don't trade Dudley!
If they really thought Redd could contribute
he would’ve signed before the 1st week of play and not after a humiliating home loss. What are we adding? Please explain if Redd is anything more than a spot-up shooter at this point. The FO lacks faith in their SGs, it’s borderline insulting.
Does Dudley get the minutes or nor? It’s still an open question. After watching the first two games he looks about the same as last year. I’m not buying Dudley as a creator on offense. He’s quick, not fast, so once he gets the first step it’s pretty easy for a defense to adjust. Unless he’s a dependable 15-5 soon, you almost have to consider sending him to a team with PF/Cs who can dish out of the double-team. (Could envision Dudley in ATL, maybe UTA.) The starters simply have to produce. Stop with the next practice this, next game that…waiting for the pride to kick in with this crew.
Sarver needs to install a courtside graveyard
at the rate we are acquiring the corpses of former greats. This does nothing.
"He's very cerebral when he plays out there"--Hubie
Okay, seriously. Some of you guys are pissing me off. You’re forgetting about a certain BAMF who’s been a key component of our team the past 3 years. How many years did he lose due to injury? Everyone thought he was done, including me, but he came to the Valley of the Suns, our training camp worked its magic, and he has been amazing. Who says we can’t have a similar effect on Redd. It’s the veteran %$&*^& minimum and you’re complaining? Complain about everything else, but this is a great move.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 29, 2011 4:06 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
And another thing. This is not a PR move. I think the FO and coaches legitimately expected to get a lot more out of broth Brown and Dudley than they are so far. But after the first two games, they realize we need more O and more shooting. And with Morris showing what he can do, having some shooting on the team would help us to move Frye. If we get a chance to move Rolo or Frye, preferably Frye, for some talent or a good pick, we should do it. Redd could really help. And he is a high character guy, nothing like VC.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 29, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions
I agree
At this point moving Morris to the statting 5 help us more. Hes been effective despite bench bench minutes and the experience will help us in the long run. Frye is taking to long to get his shot back but when it returns he can start again if morris doesnt pan out.
Then move dudz to the back up 3 wich imo is he is most effective.
Nash
Redd(even 80 percent of his former self)
Hill
Morris
Gortat or Rolo
Bench
Price
Brown
Dudz
Frye
Rolo or Tat
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by phxpurple on Dec 29, 2011 4:57 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Agreed and agreed
I lived in Wisconsin and watched many Bucks games on the tube, Redd was lights out! If he is 80% than he is the
scorer we need. He can create his own shot, and shoot the 3. Isn’t that what all of us have been bitching the Suns
needed?
Yeah Packers! Yeah Badgers?! cmon NBA, quit screwing the fans!
by thedoovage on Dec 29, 2011 5:01 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much
For a vet minimun it wont hurt.
I was a big supporter of Dudz and frye being great starters especially dudz. I just dont think dudz is naturally a guard(6ft 7 1/2)
And plays better as a 3wing. Perhaps next year he can be our starting 3 but for now I think he fits better getting plenty of minutes behind hill at the 3.
As for frye hes just been a disappointment. Either hit your 3shot or gtfo
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by phxpurple on Dec 29, 2011 5:26 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Rarely watch NBA
but suns is my team, is this guy good? We are 0-2? Why? Is Nash slowing us down, or we just don’t have defense.
RAIDER NATION
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Actually...
We have no offense for a change. So the combination of no offense, and mediocre defense equals the Suns team we have right now. It’s fairly unwatchable. Unless this team can start scoring again, it’s gonna be a very ugly season.
Like others have said, and the article said, the guys a low risk, possible high reward signing. He was good and has been hampered by injuries.
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Say what you want about ole Vince.
But I was watching the Dallas-OKC game and that was one ICMF 3 he shot.
I'm Michael Beasley's imaginary friend.
by suns68 on Dec 29, 2011 9:41 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
really? so that shot erases the last season’s play with the Suns and the first 2 games of Dallas’ season where he was trash?
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by Alex Laugan on Dec 29, 2011 10:01 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, pretty much.
Frankly, I didn’t think he did that bad for us compared to some others.
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He killed us during the Lakers 3OT game
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This man must be banished!
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 30, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
I rather Eddie House than Redd,
Just because House is healthy and has played with Nash before, a very long time ago though. Why not waive Telfair and have both House and Redd. At least both can play SG and actually shoot the ball well.
House is so streaky
When he’s on he’s awesome, but it can be few and far between, healthy Redd is far more consistant
Yeah Packers! Yeah Badgers?! cmon NBA, quit screwing the fans!
From 03-04 through 08-09 he averaged at least 20 pts. per night
The last 2 seasons he was injured alot. Do you really think he is going to go from 20 a night to Shannon Brown?
Browns per numbers are not even 20 a night, and most of us were optimistic with him. I don’t get the negativity.
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I think it’s because everyones already into “doom and gloom” mode after the start of the season so far.
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If we win the next game by >10 points
bsotters will be convinced were a 5th seed at least.
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by waxmonkey on Dec 29, 2011 5:43 PM MST up reply actions 7 recs
this
is soooooo true
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 5:53 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
championship baby!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Exactly
It’s the same story every season regardless or personal it seems. The Suns start doing bad, people start freaking out, the Suns start winning, everyone jumps on board and says we are gonna go all the way.
I’m not happy with the team whatsoever at the moment, but I know the season is young and there is a lot of ball to play. Lets see how we are doing in a month or two and make a better assessment of the team.
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Lol, yea, seems to be a bit of overreaction here and on all fan blogs.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 29, 2011 6:14 PM MST up reply actions
agreed, Doov. He was the best option out there, I think.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 29, 2011 6:14 PM MST up reply actions
So this is what it comes to?
Our savior walking through the door is Redd…. Oh man… This season is going to be a lot harder to watch than I thought.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!
savior is relative. He should at least help out our sorry offense.
Yeah Packers! Yeah Badgers?! cmon NBA, quit screwing the fans!
Hopefully
I just don’t have much hope for this signing. I guess they are at least trying in the FO.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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One thing we could do
Would be to balance our lineups. Nash – Dudley – Hill – Frye – Gortat is a lineup with no atleticism. Price – Brown – Childress/Warrick – Morris – RoLo is a lineup with limited to no offense. So when the subs go in they can’t turn around a result.
A Nash – Brown (eventually Redd, although I don’t really rely on his body) – Hill – Morris – Gortat lineup would work (imo) better, even though less talented, since we would have JYD and Frye to help the other guys making some impact.
I think
you will see this…I predicted as much on the recent podcast
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 5:54 PM MST up reply actions
Yep. You guys are probably right. It makes a lot of sense.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 29, 2011 6:16 PM MST up reply actions
I'm down with Morris starting
This kid sure as hell seems impressive and right now and we might as well get him more minutes and hope that Frye off the bench can help out second unit
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This might just be what we need to kick start us out of this coma...
I’ve always Liked JYD off the bench…
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not to brang or anything right?
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 9:34 PM MST up reply actions
Not sure what to think of Redd
I just hope that no one here expects him to be the savior.
If he can at least help get some semblance of a three point threat going then i’ll be happy.
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One-year deal
I do like all the one-year deals the Suns have signed this offseason. We can all pretty much agree that this season was not going to be a year in which the Suns either accomplished anything great or really got any sort of re-building process off the ground. At least in 2012, the Suns will be sitting on a mountain of cap space.
Now I think it’s dubious that the Suns will in fact lure 2 max-contract worthy players next season. It’s all well and good to hold out hope for Dwight Howard or Chris Paul/Deron Williams. However, if I’m any of those 3 guys, why am I coming to a roster comprised of Channing Frye, Marcin Gortat, Josh Childress, Hakim Warrick, Robin Lopez and Jared Dudley. There is not a lot of excitement there or a lot of trade bait for that matter. And let’s not get started on what player perception of Robert Sarver might be right now on the heels of the lockout. If the Suns hope to attract even one marquee free agent next season, those 6 guys have got to deliver in a big way (and make Nash look good in the process) and Robert Sarver needs to engage in a season-long charm offensive.
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by Mike Lisboa on Dec 29, 2011 6:49 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Really? Wow. Great deal then.
I expected 3 minimum. Wondered if they spent the whole five on him.
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I do
think they might get hosed putting all the hope in the 2012 free agency / cap space basket. I’d be looking long and hard for trades to add a long-term piece at the deadline as well.
There’s just not going to be that savior type available in the offseason and my biggest fear is they do what so many other teams have done, over pay the wrong guy b/c they feel the need to spend the cap space they’ve been saving up.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 7:31 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah...I'm thinking Joe Johnon getting a max contract with Atlanta all over again....
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I’m thinking even worse…Detroit w/ Ben Gordon and Charlie V
Or the Bucks over the last 10 yrs or so.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 7:34 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
That Detroit offseason haunts me
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 7:34 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Detroit haunts all of America.
And some of Canada.
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by waxmonkey on Dec 29, 2011 7:35 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
This is true.
That is a worst case cap space nightmare, BUT…
I think there’s also enough FA talent next season that Suns could score a pretty decent haul without chasing bad money. Frankly, I’m more afraid of fringe BSOTSers wresting control of the front office and signing Goran Dragic and Lou Amundson to max deals.
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We fringe Bright Siders have already put such action in motion.
Now, should you be eliminated, smeared, black-mailed, or brough into the fold?
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 9:37 PM MST up reply actions
This would be such high comedy...
that I fully support it.
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by Mike Lisboa on Dec 30, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
Now if I can manufacture an actual plot...
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 30, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
who?
Seriously…I’ve looked up and down the 2012 Free Agent list
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 PM MST up reply actions
RFAs!
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by Alex Laugan on Dec 29, 2011 10:17 PM MST up reply actions
Love, Westbrook – max guys who may not sign (Love) or get (Westbrook) the offer they want. Suns cannot offer as much as their team, but could conceivably negotiate a sign-and-trade.
More realistically, RFAs: Danilo Gallinari, JaVale McGee, Eric Gordon, Nic Batum.
And, I do think Deron Williams is a pretty darn good player who is more interested in location and money than he is in teaming up on a super-team. No idea if he loves Phoenix, but the Suns could offer the max and see where that gets them.
Other UFAs include Wilson Chandler, JR Smith… and Steve Nash, Goran Dragic, Boris Diaw and Aaron Brooks.
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we need to go at kevin love with everything we have
yes, our current team may not be as good as the wolves. but it can’t be that hard to convince him to leave the miserable shithole of a frozen wasteland that he’s living/playing in and come to phoenix.
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
by u_must_chill on Dec 30, 2011 7:51 AM MST up reply actions
With the RFAs like Love, what matters is if the current team matches. We could offer Love the max but there’s no way the TWolves don’t match. Same with Gordon. No team is letting him leave as an RFA.
If he REALLY wants to leave he would reject the max offer and take the QO for one year and be a UFA in 2013. Same w/ Gordon.
D-Will, if he leaves Brooklyn which I doubt, is set up to go to his hometown Mavs and play w/ Dirk. The Mavs will have cap space.
So that leaves guys like Batum, Gallo, McGee…We could get one of them by overpaying. Batum maybe. The Nuggets will have cap space to keep Gallo.
What the Suns REALLY need is the next point guard.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 30, 2011 8:01 AM MST up reply actions
Westbrook
is the guy I see perhaps being available and if the Thunder decide they don’t want to keep him, they will trade him for young player(s) on rookie deals and picks.
Would you give up Morris, Lopez and two first round picks to get him? I think that’s what it would take.
A better deal for them would be with a team like Cleveland, Toronto, Utah, Detroit or Charlotte who can offer better packages than the Suns. If I’m OKC, I’m moving him for a Kemba Walker, Kyrie Irving, Brandon Knight or even see if the Celtics would swap for Rondo (although I’m not sure OKC can afford to do that).
Detroit could offer Knight, Jerebko and picks. Cleveland could offer a similar package. That’s a better deal for OKC than what Phx can offer since they already have size.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 30, 2011 8:11 AM MST up reply actions
Gee thanks Seth. Don’t just pour water on my idea EVERY TIME I BRING IT UP – just go ahead and pour gasoline and light it on fire.
Frankly, we just don’t know what will happen until it does. I’m saying that there is talent out there, and it’s better than Villaneuva and Gordon. If the Suns get a future all-star with a top-5 pick next summer, find a way to get another mid-first pick, and sign a scorer in free agency (Gallinari, Chandler, Nick Young), they start building toward a future with talented, young players. If they luck out on Westbrook, Love or Williams, then that’s even better. But I don’t see Detroit happening here.
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" But I don’t see Detroit happening here."
I’m crossing my fingers!
It would be amazing if we could convince Dwight/Deron to superteam it up HERE since I think we’re one of few teams who can offer both of them max contracts, but I don’t think that’s a likely outcome.
If things aren’t working out next summer, I hope that the Sarver/Blabby brain trust holds their money for another year.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
That’s really the key…if you can’t get great players for the max or good players at a good price, then save for the following year. That’s better than signing the wrong guys to the wrong deals.
We’ll see. It’s going to be an interesting summer.
I think my bigger point here is that if they can make a move during this season via trade instead of waiting for the offseason to go after a free agent then they should consider that.
Guys like Bargnani or Beasley or what not (there’s a few other names floating around my head that I can’t come up with right now).
That might tie up some of the cap space for the summer but could be better than waiting and striking out.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 30, 2011 9:51 AM MST up reply actions
We'll certainly have a better variety of young talent
as opposed to the Nets. If they were to superteam it up there, it still won’t be enough…
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
Yeah, we probably don’t have the best package, but you change that from Morris to Frye, and I’d do it. I’d also do it if one of the picks was replaced by Nash.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 30, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
would they though?
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 30, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
Probably not, but worth offering.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 30, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
Why would Cleveland give up Irving?
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We'll be handing out a max contract to Leandro Barbosa next summer.
You can bet your ass it’ll happen.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
those were the two best free agents that summer. Turrible free agent class. This next summer has a lot of guys better than that.
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by Alex Laugan on Dec 29, 2011 10:06 PM MST up reply actions
who?
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 10:13 PM MST up reply actions
That Dwight Howard guy is pretty good
And then there’s Deron Williams, Kevin Love, Eric Gordon, and Russell Westbrook all worthy of max money offers.
For a little less than max there’s Gallinari (say what you want, after watching this guy in preseason, i’m a believer), Beasley, Bynum, and Hibbert.
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If we could land Love and Gordon, I'd be a pretty happy camper.
And maybe throw a bone at Gallinari too. I like him a lot too.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
I don't even want to think about the possibility of Kevin Love coming here.
I’ll get far too excited and it will only lead to disappointment.
Oh golly, that would be magnificent.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Dec 29, 2011 11:12 PM MST up reply actions
In the meantime...
We have Garret Siler for you to savor and enjoy…
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Pudgemonster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Dec 29, 2011 11:16 PM MST up reply actions
Man U rough Seth...
Brings bck nightmares of a Allan Houston type deal…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Pssh
the rashard lewis trade is offended that it wasn’t the first signing mentioned
Enough Bitchin' lets do this
What's even worse was that Washington didn't dfump his contract when given the chance...
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
maybe they were busy
trying to find a way to make arenes a gazzilionair
Enough Bitchin' lets do this
they still have the chance next year
It didn’t make sense to waive him now b/c they would have been so far under the salary floor they would have just had to sign other players to make up the gap AND still pay Lewis to NOT play
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 7:39 PM MST up reply actions
There should have been a provision in the CBA..
where you can take overpaid and underperforming (ergo Rashard Lewis) types behind the arena and put the team out of it’s misery….That’s how my crazed Vietnam Vet uncle used to do when one of his animals got long in the tooth, anyway….
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
If they had, they would have had to spend more money
to sign contracts to bring them up to the cap minimum. So they actually saved money by NOT amnestying him.
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yup
and then in future years they can cut him if they need the cap space to go after an FA that fits there or pay their own young guys
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 30, 2011 8:03 AM MST up reply actions
Not likely
and Robert Sarver needs to engage in a season-long charm offensive.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Well, Grant Hill revived his career
So why not Redd?
By the way, any chance at all the Suns try to talk Brandon Roy out of retirement? He’s another injury-riddled player, but he’s only 27, and with a TON of potential.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Oh wait, never mind
He said that he’s lacking cartilage between his knees. He’s done for good.
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I'm personally excited to see the future of sports
where athleticism can be built, bought and grown for pro-athletes, and how this will change sports.
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Athlete in a can...?
Found on the shelf at your local grocers…
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Well, some things
like foot races, or long jump, or weightlifting would obviously be screwed by something like that. But can you imagine watching Nash with a new spine and legs? Or football players with artificially hardened bones? Pitchers with one fugly ass metal arm throwing 150mph fastballs?
It will completely change sports. And we’re on that path.
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And to think it all started with Viagra...
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If you can't make your Dark Knight rise...
don’t blame it on ED. Tell your lover he/she just doesn’t do it for you anymore haha.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
Ever play the game “Base Wars” on NES?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_Wars
Thats what you just reminded me of lol.
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I used to build my team around combat
instead of actual baseball skill. My best “player” was my catcher. I once forced him to steal first, then second, then third, then home, beating every opponent for the out.
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Never heard of that one, but sounds like a really fun game. I loved Mutant League Football, and hockey.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 30, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
That's why I'm totally cool with steroids in professional sports.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 9:39 PM MST up reply actions
Some of these new treatments players are going through are already pushing that line.
Platlet-rich plasma therapy, orthokine therapy. We’ll be able to get artificially rebuilt players with increased stamina and endurance long before we have to start installing metal in their bodies.
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Alvin Gentry is a Lousy Coach
No, Redd will not save the SUNS, Gentry thought Chilly would be a killer acquisition, which is why they paid him $30+ million, Chilly sucks, has no shot friends, his jump shot looks like a 1950’s set shot.
Redd is past his prime to say the least, even worse physically than Carter, who is not doing too bad 2nite against OK.
Gentry pre-game Philly radio interview after loss to NO "I would do the same play again with 4 sec left, where a rookie playing his first game would be the decision maker to get off the shot or pass’ ‘I would do the same’ ‘I would do the same’ the guy never learns…
Prediction: the SUNS will never be a good team again until Gentry is fired, and a serious coach is in place, with the $$ to get some new, younger talent.
A huge dose of positivity for you in the new year...!
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Positivity..
Even with a clueless coach, the SUNS will be near, but below 50% again this year, but not make the playoffs of course.
On Dudley
Dudley is a nice person and a great hustler, but most starting forwards in the NBA are better than him. My opinion has not changed. Good personality doesn’t win games.
Any positive mention of Vince Carter makes the rest of your words
null and void, even if they are right.
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by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 9:40 PM MST up reply actions
If jump shot form is the only thing that makes a player good,
then I guess Shawn Marion was the worst player in Suns history.
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by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 29, 2011 7:29 PM MST reply actions
Last season when the Suns were struggling and I clinged to hope that they could make the Playoffs...
All I could think was “If we only had Shannon Brown, Michael Redd, Ronnie Price, and Sebastian Telfair to push us over the top.”
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 29, 2011 7:34 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
there's no
reason this team shouldn’t be better than the team that finished last season though…
Robin’s better and those guys are least an upgrade over what was hear.
Marcin’s thumb injury didn’t help but mostly this is about Nash having a HORRIBLE game (and concerns about that going forward) and guys like Dudley and Frye not showing up yet.
This team, as it’s constructed, if Nash is at least as good as he was last year is a .500 team.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 7:38 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
That's what I thought as well Seth...
I believe it will take time..It’s just difficult to watch the Suns underperform at this level in the interim…I’m not sure my liver can take all the alochol required for me to get through to the good times…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Care to make a wager?
33 wins seems like a stretch to me. I’ll bet whatever you want to bet, doesn’t have to be money.
Even if the Suns are better then last season, competition is relative and the Suns’ competition made better improvements.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 29, 2011 7:42 PM MST up reply actions
Agree..
JRich was around for how many wins last year? Nash and Hill are one year closer to 40, with less than 10 pt game, less than 3 assist game lifetime avg Price and Brown? I am missing Vince Carter. Brown’s lifetime top assist game is 6. Gentry still fussing with rotations, almost schizo on who he ‘likes’ one day to next. Frye is losing confidence again. Gentry should put Frye in the post and leave him there until he learns how to go to the hoop.
As the poster said above, Gentry says they need to run, so Gentry gets a guy with one leg. 33 wins looks like a stretch for sure.
Under no circumstance will I ever miss VC
Doesn’t mean Dudley should start or that the Suns should have signed Brown. Man, Brown looks really out of shape.
I do miss Jrich though.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 29, 2011 8:29 PM MST up reply actions
I missed Vince Carter too
and the sucker got away before I could finish reloading!
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by jc79 on Dec 29, 2011 11:08 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
This is how you missed him
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/12/25/2661001/vince-carter-matrix-gif
"The Knicks with the swiss cheese defense.
...Vince Carter likes cheese." -Walt Frazier
This is the opinion I had before the season and one I'm still clinging to.
Not watching that last game probably helps in that regard.
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agreed
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by Alex Laugan on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 PM MST up reply actions
Which opinion is that?
That this team is better then last season and will finish .500?
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 29, 2011 7:51 PM MST up reply actions
Pretty much.
See my FanPost for my optimistic thoughts comparing last year’s team to this one’s.
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I guess my point is that...
Being better then last season still isn’t good, a .500 team, or gets you to the playoffs. This is an unusual season though, so I could see below .500 teams making the playoffs.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 29, 2011 8:01 PM MST up reply actions
fully agree Seth. Thanks!
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by Alex Laugan on Dec 29, 2011 10:10 PM MST up reply actions
Wait a second...
Did you just say that Ronnie Price and Sebastian Telfair are better then Brooks and Dowdell? Also, Brown better then Jrich, VC, or Dudley?
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 29, 2011 7:45 PM MST reply actions
So...
I have noticed a lot of people jumping on the “VC wasn’t that bad for us”, or the “VC is better that X option we picked” wagon lately. Really??
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No.
Vince Carter was the beginnings of a very bad case of ass-itch….
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
VC is better then Shannon Brown
Doesn’t mean I want him on the Suns or ever did. I actually thought that simply getting rid of VC would improve the Suns by a few wins. I also thought the Suns would make a play for starting SG since that is where most of the points come from in the NBA.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 29, 2011 8:06 PM MST up reply actions
Rick Carlisle
is smarter than anyone here. He sure as hell is smarter than Gentry.
Carlisle picked up Carter, he did not pick up Price and Brown, or Redd.
You are now an official Bright Sider Catamaran...
No need to walk around with that double tighty-whitey wedgie anymore…We are here to help yu channel your inner positivity…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Actually he didn't pick up anybody
He’s the coach. Coaches don’t sign players. That was on Mark Cuban and Nelson. Why did they do that? PR stunt and they have Jason Terry so they can sit VC at anytime. Why did they trade Corey Brewer and Rudy Fernandez so they could pay more for VC? I’m clueless.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 29, 2011 8:24 PM MST up reply actions
Delonte West is a huge improvement over VC.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
by NashMV3 on Dec 29, 2011 8:32 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Ouch...
This is like choosing whether you’d rather get shot in the head with a .38 slug or a 9mm round…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
At least with Delonte West...
he won’t be as likely to miss the shot.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
by NashMV3 on Dec 29, 2011 8:41 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't believe that..
Who knows what goes on in the back office. Coaches can always resign if they don;t agree with trades. No great coach would allow trades without his input being taken very seriously. No good owner wold make trades without input from the coach. We have a crappy owner and a crappy coach.
I wouldn't say "This is a waste of time and a PR stunt"
but I just think this team needs to tank it. They should wait till Nash starts rolling and then trade him. The team will be horrendous but it will speed the rebuilding process by a ton.
So I guess, yes ,this is a waste of time.
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Welcome Michael. Let's pray all together...
oh happy day…oh happy day…
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VC
may have just shot the winning shot for Dallas!
Yeah…yeah…Gentry sucked as a coach…
Cant Coach Effort
VC played here like he was on vacation, only trying periodically. Dudes garbage now, stop living in the past.
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Heres a great memory of VC here in Phoenix
Enough said
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nice…I forgot about that
one of the better things I’ve written actually
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 29, 2011 10:17 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah it was a good write up
Pretty much summed it up! I remember just being so pissed after that game. I think that was about when I officially gave up on VC 100%.
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Now can we never mention VC again...
it’s like Robert Horry, let’s just pretend he never played for the Suns.
by ninecharacters on Dec 30, 2011 12:30 PM MST up reply actions
Who?
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It's so annoying when the commentators mention "World Peace"...
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Yeah...
I’m sorry but the whole name change thing is just stupid…. Someone should change their name to like Taco Bell Double Decker.
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or "Burning Jock Itch..."
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
I would change
Shannon Brown to Little Chucker
Michael Pietrus to Screaming Chucker
VC to OKC Nightmare
Steve Nash to Sun, Moon and Stars
and last but not least
LB James to Miami Beach
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the two games he played, we were close bc of him
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Fixed that for you
LB James to Miami Beach Bitch
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by jc79 on Dec 29, 2011 11:11 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Dude, Idiocracy is a movie, don't bring it into being by providing stupid ideas
"What's with today, today?" - Lucas
by Walter ChronKite on Dec 29, 2011 9:42 PM MST up reply actions
Dude
Idiocracy is becoming reality day by day. Think about that….
Not too far off before an athlete offers to change his name to some fast foods top menu item for a sponsorship at this rate…
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Lettuce wraps to Kung Fu Panda...
around the horn now to Vagisil. Oh! a beautiful lob feed from Vagisil to the Volcano Taco, and he throws it down with two hands!
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stupid is to be called World Peace
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bad news: tha Lakers, somehow, are back
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Crazy how a team can suck a few games and then bounce back in the NBA. Pretty much unheard of. Typically if a team loses a couple games they are doomed to never win a game ever again, period. haha
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by AcucracK on Dec 29, 2011 9:42 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
haha i know what you're doin
but i guess that if you have the will, you can change things
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in an effort to get my mind off the impending doom that virtually all of us are predicting, I have a suns trivia question that's been bugging me for the past few days:
does anyone remember the name of an Italian player that we acquired sometime in the mid-90’s (might have been ‘95 or ’96) who rode our bench for part of a season before being waived because he was completely terrible? i’m not sure, but i think he might have been the first italian-born player to play in the NBA. he only saw action in a handful of games (and always during garbage time), but i remember him because there was a hilarious video of Barkley trying to teach him American slang?
anyone remember the dude’s name?
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~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
this one?
http://www.nba.com/sunsnba/rusconi_feature.html
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yes! that's him! thanks!
now i’ll be able to sleep tonight!
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~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
by u_must_chill on Dec 29, 2011 10:00 PM MST up reply actions
Does this mean we're waiving some players off our roster?
We’re super stacked besides at our SF spot..
Nash/PriceTelfair
Redd/Dudley/Brown
Hill/Childress
Frye/Morris/Warrick
Gortat/Lopez/Siler
Plus Brooks coming back…
It would be great to establish a set rotation to start off with. Otherwise we’ll never find a rhythm.
That's 14,
which is below the limit of 15. No need to waive anyone. It just means Siler is going to be wearing a suit more often.
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And there's no guarantee brooks comes back here.
He’s a RFA as soon as his China deal is up.
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the future pg of the Suns
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I'll be pissed if they push aside Silo and suit Telfair, Childress and Brown.
Silo hasn’t actively hurt the team so far this season.
How many backup guards do we need in any given game, for crying out loud?
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by suns68 on Dec 29, 2011 10:02 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
i'm a silo supporter
i’d even be a favor of giving him more playing time so that gortat’s thumb can fully heal.
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
by u_must_chill on Dec 29, 2011 10:17 PM MST up reply actions
I agree
If Gortat can’t shoot that 12-15 shot consistently he needs to sit. Prefer to see more of Lopez and naybe Frye at center rather than Siler.
Thoughts on the michael redd signing and the importance of a higher pick.
Let me just start by saying that i honestly think a healthy michael redd would certainly add scoring punch to this team. Aside from that, it might be too late for him to step in and make a difference three weeks from now. We could turn things around before he hits the floor and go on a big win streak(although not very likely considering last night’s performance from everyone but morris.) it’s not a good omen when the only person on your team that’s hustling and competing is a rookie.
I like michael redd as a person and a player(despite his injury problems) but the brutal truth is it’s not in this team’s best interest to continually try and find aging veterans and injured former all-stars in order to make the playoffs just to get eliminated by a younger,deeper and more talented team.
It’s time to stop holding on to thoughts of past glory and face the rebuilding process ahead. If asked would i rather see this particular suns team defy all the odds and make the playoffs knowing they really don’t have the talent to truthfully beat everyone else in the west and make a real title run, or they finally chose to rebuild and attempt to draft or aquire some high-level lottery talent for next season i know which choice i’d make.
We can continue trying to put band-aids on bullet wounds so to speak or we can start targeting potential all-stars in the 2012 draft. I ask the other suns fans, what would you prefer if you had the choice?
A miracle run to the playoffs and a definte early exit or a player like Andre drummond in a suns uniform? The choice seems pretty clear to me.
Never, never ask for your fav team to lose
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You beat me to it, Juac
Tanking to get draft choices is tantamount to cheating and beneath us as an organization.
It’s also consumer fraud against the tens of thousands of people who pay good money to see these games.
I really wish we could quit talking about it. It’s kind of like making the case for point shaving or boxers taking a dive.
I don’t expect the Suns to win all the time. But I damn well demand that they try.
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by suns68 on Dec 29, 2011 10:21 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
Besides...
What are the odds that the team with the worse record in the league will even land the #1 pick?
Let’s ask the New Jersey Nets, shall we?
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
That's kind of irrational
It’s not like we’re asking them to miss free throws or anything.
It’s just we want this team to be good within the next 3-4 years not 5-6 years. Trading the valuable veterans we have will get us decent pieces to build around, thus speeding up the inevitable rebuilding process.
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Ethics aren't irrational... or negotiable
Trading vets for young talent? I’m good with that.
But I don’t see a big ethical difference between asking the players to miss free throws or forcing the front office to do the dirty work, when the underlying goal is to bring about a losing season to get a better draft position.
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by suns68 on Dec 29, 2011 11:58 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I hear you
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by Alex Laugan on Dec 29, 2011 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
I know what I want
I want a top 5 draft pick in next year’s loaded draft, Dwight Howard and Deron Williams in free agency, Nash and Hill re-signed, and Gortat traded for a competent bench scorer. Title run, here we come!
Make it so!
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this
it’s not a good omen when the only person on your team that’s hustling and competing is a rookie.
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i hear you, definitely, BUT
it’s also likely that last night’s game was (at least in some ways) an anomaly. i’m not saying that our overall talent level is going to spontaneously improve, but i’m even less convinced that the disengagement and apparent apathy that we witnessed against the sixers is going to become the new norm.
for what it’s worth (and as jim pointed out earlier), we’re dealing with an extremely small sample size. while the suns are certainly not a contender, they’re also not nearly as bad as they seemed last night.
wise personnel decisions – whether they be trades, draft picks, or free agent acquisitions – require a sober appraisal of the talent you currently have. this means not only avoiding inordinately optimistic assessments of players, but unrealistically negative ones as well
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
by u_must_chill on Dec 29, 2011 10:11 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm not being negative
Like I said in other thread, i want to see my team playing with happiness, with will and effort!
I don’t know how the Raptors are in each game, but yesterday they looked too much better than us, with less talent and everything else, but trying to beat their opponents
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one thing that i'm hoping
is that last night’s game served as some kind of wake up call. i know that guys like nash, hill, and dudley (who played terribly) have a lot of professional pride. hopefully, the next few games will be an extreme reaction to the total embarrassment they suffered at the hands of the sixers.
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
by u_must_chill on Dec 29, 2011 10:20 PM MST up reply actions
yeah
I know they’re great pro players and that they wouldn’t to be a “relegation” team or something near that.
But they have to motivate the others if they hope to have some succes with that
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Fredette guarding well D-Rose
"Steve Nash is more valuable for the Suns than Kobe for the Lakers" - Jared Dudley
Tanking would be beneath this organization, that’s true. However, if the redd signing is just a way to stay mildly competitive, then the front office would be cheating the fans from what they want and deserve most, another legitimate title run in the future.
I know as well as anyone that regardless of how many losses we might accumulate in this shortened season, there’s no guarantee we’d win the lottery and get drummond.
But our chances would certainly be better than they have been in the last couple of years. We got lucky in the last draft with morris, but this team has more than enough role players looking to an aging nash and hill for leadership.
While we’ve added a few young players, none of them currently have the confidence or consistency to become a true go-to franchise cornerstone. Neither nash or hill seems to have enough left in the tank to carry a heavy scoring load.
I’m not advocating that we just give up and stop playing hard, but it has become imperative that we finally find a true successor to nash and a consistent go-to scorer with skill and confidence to take over a game when we are trailing. Nash and hill are both in great shape for their age but they can’t play forever. It’s the front office’s responsibility to surround them with the best possible talent and they haven’t really commited to that.
We DO need higher caliber lottery talent on this team to get better in a hurry, it’s paid off for alot of other small market teams like the thunder ,grizzlies and clippers it can work for us too.
Then again, maybe tanking for one shortened season really wouldn’t be all that bad. Take the spurs for example,they’d tell you that david robinson was really hurt and that contributed to all those losses and they weren’t really tanking the season to get tim duncan because their a proud franchise whose above doing that.
We all know that they tanked on purpose and wouldn’t admit it so they could draft duncan. Does anyone think they regretted doing it after duncan brought them all those titles? A small sacrifice to pay.
Maybe we lose enough to win the lottery and maybe we don’t. Adding michael redd will help out the offense but he’s not the stopper on the wing that raja was. He’ll add a few wins here and there but this team desperately needs an infusion of new blood and a dramatic talent upgrade in the starting lineup.
We’ve missed the playoffs the past couple of years because our front office was too stubborn to see that we were aging quickly and adding marginal talent in the off-season supposedly to save money in an attempt to sign a marquee free agent.
We will end up once again putting all our eggs in one basket and coming away with much less than we planned on, especially if our performance against the sixers is any indication of what we can expect from the suns this season.
I can’t see us making the playoffs this year in a much tougher and deeper western conference, so it makes no sense to me that we’d want to try for the eighth playoff spot and very possibly just miss out on the playoffs and end up with another solid role player with the 14th pick.
Our future would be much brighter with a pick in the 1 to 7 range. The best bet for rebuilding this once proud and elite franchise will start with the 2012 draft. Besides, the chances of us luring one star player(much less two) like howard,williams or westbrook is very unlikely in spite of how much money we can offer.
Having alot to do with sarver’s reputation and how he dealt with former suns like joe johnson,marion and amare. Star players make a mental note of that kind of thing.
That’s why adding a couple of big name college stars will make us more enticing, or we can just continue the same routine barely treading water and getting worse each season. It’s not a popular thing to say about the state of this team but it’s the truth and it needs to be said.
by jay humphries on Dec 30, 2011 12:16 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
All of this
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
Agreed wholeheartedly
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
to what end?
They are much better off trying to get him to play well and maybe even well enough to trade him somewhere
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 30, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
Alright
I haven’t really talked about the Redd signing even though that’s what this post is about. There’s just not much to say about it. Low risk, maybe decent reward kind of deal. I don’t expect much. Hopefully a miracle can happen, but if not, no big deal. We have nothing to lose by giving him a shot. Also, he’s not another VC. If the guy is serious about making a comeback, he’s going to care.
I’m not really worried about our team’s lack of effort right now. I just don’t think they were ready for the season to start. They’re going to need more time before they start playing better than last year’s team.
What I am worried about is the lack of talent and the possibility of the FO making a huge mistake either at the deadline or next summer. I think we have to try for a star player or at least a young player with the potential to be a star this deadline. Getting a guy like that will make me feel better going into the 2012 off-season because we’ll finally have an attractable piece on our team (KG didn’t join the Celtics until Ray Allen signed). If Lopez keeps up his play and Frye and Dudz start playing better, we’ll have some assets to get a guy like that. I’m just worried that our FO will make a panic trade instead of a strategic one like the above. I’m also worried that they’ll overpay a borderline star/ one time all-star next summer instead of a franchise or potential franchise player.
Don't trade Dudley!
by Beavis 25 on Dec 30, 2011 1:01 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
this is what chills me to my bones:
I’m also worried that they’ll overpay a borderline star/ one time all-star next summer instead of a franchise or potential franchise player
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
Redd
I haven’t seen a game yet, but it seems to me The starters have been OK but the bench kills us (2010-11 all over again).
Redd is a good signing because what’s the loss here? Seems like we lack bech scoring (again) so he can hopefully stabilize that. Redd running off screens and the second unit suddenly has a go to play. And we can hide him on D against second units better than first.
by MMotherwell on Dec 30, 2011 2:15 PM MST via mobile reply actions
actually, the starters were -20+ in the Philly game, while the bench was much closer to even.
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Redd running off screens and the second unit suddenly has a go to play.
7 Seconds or Redd?
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