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Oh No! Phoenix Suns Expected to Waive Vince Carter

Oh no! Free Agency could be scary for Vince.  (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

To add to all the no-brainer news lately, sources close to the Phoenix Suns organization are saying that the Suns have already decided to waive Vince Carter for the upcoming NBA season.

Espn's Chris Broussard and Marc Stein, at least one of which tends to have trustworthy sources, report that Phoenix will opt to buy out Vince's contract for $4 million, making him an unrestricted free agent. The waiver must be complete within 72 hours of the opening of the free agency period, which begins this upcoming Friday.

Perhaps more noteworthy is the fact that there are a few teams with possible interest in Vince, including Chicago, Miami, and San Antonio. Carter has been a common punching bag for Suns fans throughout his potentially short tenure with the Suns, with many questioning his competitive drive and ability to be an effective teammate.

This shall be an interesting free agency period, indeed.

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this officially clears the way the Jared Dudley to start at the 3, and also giving Gentry a reason to finally start giving Josh Childress some playing time.

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by PHXgp on Dec 4, 2011 7:43 PM MST reply actions  

I´d like to see Grant Hill playing some SG

In some other idea.
Nash
Hill
Frye Crazy enough to work, i think we should go this way when its only 3 mins left on
Gortat clock
Rolo

Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.

by Lino Canaan on Dec 4, 2011 8:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Gortat+Rolo playing next to each other=a bad idea

They’ll be bumping into each other, and the redundancy means that one of them will just be standing around and watching while the other one does anything.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 4, 2011 8:38 PM MST up reply actions  

^^

Nash needs space to operate the offense and have those 2 would really clog things up.

by Airwave on Dec 4, 2011 9:45 PM MST up reply actions  

O rly?

So how did the original twin towers work in San Antonio?
Two big men (at least this year one of them (hopefully) will be double teamed once in a while) can work inside for a nice two-men game…
Robinson and Duncan didn’t have better range than Hammer and Rolo, and it worked on offense.
Any chance that Dream-shaken Gortat can earn some respect in the paint this season?

Feed the cutter!!!

by Piotr Szczesniak on Dec 5, 2011 7:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Uh... no

Robinson was a knockdown shooter at 20 feet

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by jc79 on Dec 5, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 5, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

They had range

Having Rolo and Gortat (who usually rely on the pick & roll) would absolutely kill the spacing. Why do you think Frye is so valuable to the Suns? He is a big who spreads the floor.

by Airwave on Dec 5, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by Scott Howard on Dec 4, 2011 8:56 PM MST up reply actions  

oh a

suggestion would be sign Von Wafer 6-5 SG to a 1 year deal no higher than $4m

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by phxuk: Ap on Dec 4, 2011 7:49 PM MST reply actions  

God please kill me before let this happen

Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.

by Lino Canaan on Dec 4, 2011 7:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I know he's a knucklehead,

but this is the kind of guy that we will likely have to settle for, if we get anybody at all – a cheap option who can put some points on the board but doesn’t do much else.

Someone who intrigues me is Reggie Williams from GS. He’s restricted though.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 4, 2011 10:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah. I’ definitely take Williams over Wafer.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 4, 2011 11:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Experts are saying GS might let him walk

He’s worth making a run at.

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by jc79 on Dec 5, 2011 3:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Hmm...

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 5, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Here's what they have to say about Reggie Williams over at Golden State of Mind

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2011/11/29/2596966/golden-state-warriors-free-agents-reggie-williams

Sounds like they won’t push very hard to keep him since they already have enough shooters and just drafted Klay Thompson. He certainly would fit a need for us.

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by East Bay Ray on Dec 5, 2011 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh No

We are DOOOOOMED!!!

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by AcucracK on Dec 4, 2011 8:00 PM MST reply actions  

Sooo...

Nash
Childress
Dudley
Frye
Gortat

With a bench of:
PG – Brooks
SF – Hill
PF – Warrick
C – Lopez

Sound about right???

Seems weird though not have a shooting guard who can actually… you know… shoot =P

by ap3604 on Dec 4, 2011 8:12 PM MST reply actions  

As much as I like Dudley

I don’t think he is made to be a starter.

Soo, it turns out I was right!!! Kinda disappointed now..

by Aztiramtempe on Dec 4, 2011 8:18 PM MST up reply actions  

More like

Nash
Dudley
Hill
Frye
Gortat

With bench of:
Dowdell (or, hopefully some FA pickup)
Pietrus
Childress
Warrick/Morris
Lopez

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by East Bay Ray on Dec 4, 2011 8:21 PM MST up reply actions  

yep

kind of scary that peaches and chilly are our backup wings given how inconsistent they were last season

I hope Morris gets some minutes

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 4, 2011 8:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Me too

because that would mean less Warrick

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by jc79 on Dec 5, 2011 3:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Wait

Are you saying VC was a SG who could shoot?

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by AcucracK on Dec 4, 2011 8:24 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

VC hit like 40+%

as a spot up 3 point shooter for us.

It was his only redeeming quality. Don’t you remember, “he’s found what he’s going to do, and he’s going to stick with it!”

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by jc79 on Dec 5, 2011 3:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Vaguely, it was hard to notice anything positive with all the suck.

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by AcucracK on Dec 5, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Dudley will start at 2 and Hill at 3. Backup Pf is morris, not warrick. Brooks is gone, so right now it’s Dowdell.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 4, 2011 11:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I heard a rumor...

That Delonte West put in a good word for him at Home Depot.

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by AcucracK on Dec 4, 2011 8:46 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

I heard Lowe’s made a front-loaded offer with incentives that he can’t refuse.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 4, 2011 11:11 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

I'm more curious about what Vince is gonna do once he gets to his new home

If he’s gotten healthy in this extended off season, he’ll probably come back and torch us for 30 or something.

I'm Michael Beasley's imaginary friend.

by suns68 on Dec 4, 2011 8:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Who are we, Oklahoma City?

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by Scott Howard on Dec 4, 2011 8:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Or he could smile and give us high fives

Let’s hope for the latter

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by jc79 on Dec 5, 2011 3:37 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

suns68

delta

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by suns68 on Dec 4, 2011 8:47 PM MST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

oops ignore that. posting fail

I'm Michael Beasley's imaginary friend.

by suns68 on Dec 4, 2011 8:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Too late.

It has already been noticed. Posting an “ignore” note after the post doesn’t do much good. What has been seen cannot be unseen.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 4, 2011 10:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Better password than 123456

by waxmonkey on Dec 4, 2011 10:27 PM MST up reply actions  

oh well...

changing it wasn’t that big a deal. Could have used an edit button though.

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by suns68 on Dec 4, 2011 11:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

suns68

epsilon?

BAMF goes HAM.

by brian13 on Dec 4, 2011 11:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo

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by AcucracK on Dec 5, 2011 1:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Has war flashbacks

then remembers he wasn’t in a war.

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by jc79 on Dec 5, 2011 3:37 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Wiskey Tango Foxtrot?

"I could have been king, but in my own way I am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Dec 5, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Mostly just whiskey

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by jc79 on Dec 5, 2011 12:09 PM MST up reply actions  

HAHA

I don't know what to put in my sig.

by shawndy on Dec 5, 2011 8:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Stick around after we ditch VC, mm'kay?

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 5, 2011 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

If you would keep track of my messenger, e-mail and facebook

I’ll give you the passwords.

Hope you like cheap viagra.

I'm Michael Beasley's imaginary friend.

by suns68 on Dec 5, 2011 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

So you really ordered those penis enlargement pills?

Found that mail in your spam folder. Keeping it there to look like an accident huh?

by Raptorel on Dec 5, 2011 4:44 PM MST up reply actions  

hahaha this is awesome

PHXgp
iluvlebron

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by PHXgp on Dec 5, 2011 7:53 AM MST up reply actions  

That picture is a battle of the beards

And Harden knows he’s winning.

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by East Bay Ray on Dec 4, 2011 8:51 PM MST reply actions  

He can't even do that right.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 4, 2011 10:25 PM MST up reply actions  

With Vince going going gone...

And Brooks off playing for the Kung Fu Pandas, this could be the worst outside shooting Suns rosters since, well, ever.

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by suns68 on Dec 4, 2011 8:56 PM MST reply actions  

could be!

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by AcucracK on Dec 4, 2011 9:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Our starters can shoot.

Nash, Dudley and Frye are legitimate 3-point threats. The bench? Ehhhhh.

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by East Bay Ray on Dec 4, 2011 9:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Steve's the only basket-to-bleachers shooter we've got left

Duds and Channing can crank it from three, but their midrange game is meh.

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by suns68 on Dec 4, 2011 9:44 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

It's also something both worked a lot on last year, and I'm sure they continued to do so during the lockout.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 4, 2011 10:26 PM MST up reply actions  

I was much more pleased with those 2s midrange game last season

They are not great at getting their own shot but I trust them shooting the ball off of a screen or just hitting the open J.

by Airwave on Dec 5, 2011 1:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Of course nobody is as automatic as Steve

You don’t shoot 50-40-90 for no reason now!

by Airwave on Dec 5, 2011 1:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Grant Hill has shot over 40% from 3 last 2 seasons

Although he only really takes corner 3s but still. Also Chill used to shoot around 37% from 3 at Atlanta didn’t he?

Carter having a glazed-eyes contest with Boris Diaw. Carter's winning, but Diaw might respond by eating his eyes.

by NashtySUNS on Dec 4, 2011 11:49 PM MST up reply actions  

I was just gonna post this about Grant

Even though Dudley’s midrange game has been a knock on him, he’s always put up a decent percentage. He shot 47.7% field too last year.

I agree with what your saying though suns68 in that we need more pure scorers.

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by brian13 on Dec 4, 2011 11:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Grant only takes 3s that are in his favor to make

Sure he takes the very, very occasional 3 from outside the corners but he mainly sticks there because he can hit that shot consistent enough (as that % shows)

by Airwave on Dec 5, 2011 1:31 AM MST up reply actions  

I was more confident with Hill throwing up a three than VC or Pietrus that’s for sure.

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by AcucracK on Dec 5, 2011 1:49 AM MST up reply actions  

That's why shooting percentage has to be

weighted to a certain degree to adjust for volume.

It’s a little bit different if a player is a team’s number one scoring option and has to throw up tough, contested shots at times when the offense gets stagnant compared to a player who only shoots if he’s wide open within 5 feet of the basket.

Shot selection is important, but on some possessions there aren’t open shots and improvisation becomes necessary. In this case, I would definitely say that Hill is not a volume three point shooter, and if he attempted to be one it would have negative repercussions on his shooting percentage.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Dec 5, 2011 8:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Yep. We could use some shooters.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 4, 2011 11:11 PM MST up reply actions  

mmhmm

Well, all this lockout means is that Steve Nash can rest up, so I'm fine with it. It better not cut into the season though.

by 2time on Dec 4, 2011 11:37 PM MST up reply actions  

It is probably easier to correct shooting deficiencies

than the overall lack of premiere talent on the team.

Nash and Frye are both exceptional shooters respective to their positions. Dudley is a legitimate three point threat that can go into the category of a volume three point shooter. Hill can space the court because he is at least a threat from long range even if he’s not a volume shooter.

Childress will need to develop into at least the threat that Hill is (if not more) if he is going to successfully integrate into the rotation. His ability to help space the floor and at least be a threat from long range is, in my estimation, critical to being valuable to the team as presently constituted.

In essence, the shooting prowess of the collective team will largely be determined by the actions relating to replacing Carter and Pietrus (possibly). With Carter being gone, that leaves a roster space and playing time available at the 2. If the Suns can add a competent shooter/scorer to fill the void left by Carter’s absence (which was interestingly similar to the one left by his presence), this would improve the outlook. If Pietrus could be dealt for someone with a normal human sized brain, things would also look more roseate.

2-3 three point threats on the floor at one time is generally sufficient to provide adequate spacing. The Suns have three excellent options (Nash, Frye, Dudley) and a fourth decent option (Hill) that are proven commodities.

If Childress improves and the spots occupied by Carter and Pietrus yield anything positive, that number could easily grow into 5-7 long range threats. This doesn’t even address Brooks and his possible arrival at some point during the season.

Good front office moves and improvement from current players could help the team develop into a team rife with shooters. Then again maybe Nash and Hill are both gone and the Suns really only have two. Still hard to tell at this point.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Dec 5, 2011 11:31 AM MST up reply actions  

I'd love to see them post up Chilly

He showed nice moves with his back to the basket in limited burn last year. I think he’s better down there than any of our bigs.

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by jc79 on Dec 5, 2011 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

good points, Jim. Chilly would definitely get more time if he could make a shot outside of 5 feet. I hope he can this year.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 5, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Vince Carter

The man. The myth. The legend.

by Airwave on Dec 5, 2011 1:30 AM MST reply actions  

The basketball player?

That one seems to be missing for a while now.

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by jc79 on Dec 5, 2011 3:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Remember that we still have PIetrus.

In all the lineups I have seen no one is including him. As much as his shot selection is suspect, he is still a good athletic player for us. I see him as back up SG or even starting sometimes over Dudley. Hill and Chill on the 3, Frye and Morris at the 4, Gortat and Lopez at the 5. Thats not bad, minus the fact that we have no backup for Nash.

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by N8lol on Dec 5, 2011 5:09 AM MST reply actions  

I see him being traded.

by waxmonkey on Dec 5, 2011 6:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Your lips to Sarver's ear...

After Pietrus’ I-wanna-be-a-Laker-cuz-Kobe’s-the-greatest outburst, I don’t want to see him in the purple and orange again.

I’d rather have Vince.

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by suns68 on Dec 5, 2011 6:34 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not buying the "addition by subtraction" argument with VC

He wasn’t a team cancer or anything. He just wasn’t that good. So, now we have Dudley and Pietrus at SG and we expect to get more production out of that spot than we did last year? I’m skeptical unless we make a quality FA signing.

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by East Bay Ray on Dec 5, 2011 11:12 AM MST reply actions  

Some things work better even if the stats don’t show it. I’m much more confident with Dudley starting than VC. He’s a team guy and makes the engine run smoothly.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 5, 2011 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Anyone Know the Details Re: VC and Free Agency?

Re; VC’s free agency onsite says he has to be disposed of one way or the other “72 hours before” free agency starts. other sites say “within 72 hours of free agency beginning” and from the get-go we were told VC’s fate had to be decided by Dec. 6. Free agency starts on the 9th, officially, and one site says “Carter must be bought out within 72 hours of the beginning of his free agency” (italics mine), which can be read to mean he has a specific date his free agency begins rather than the Dec. 9 group date. I mean, if you’re obsessive and going a little crazy, it could be read that way.

so – does free agency for VC begin on the 6th, due somehow to expiry of the extension he signed, or does he become a free agent at the same time as all other players? Or is it with 72 hours of his own Dec. 6th deadline ….

It seemed too perfect a raping to require VC’s exit to be settled three days before we could attempt to deal him. Perfect Suns’ coin-toss luck … the toast always lands jam-side down, right?

But I had always thought that free agency began on a specific date and time for all contracts which expired afte the close of the previous season. Why did I suppose that? I have no idea – received wisdom, maybe. It just always seemed to work that way and it’s the impression columnists and writers gave.

So – I’m left hoping that the Suns’ FO knows the actual, legal position they’re in re: Vince, and we’ll find out farther along. I would imagine there is much telephone chatter going on on the way to the starting line

by JohnVancouver on Dec 5, 2011 11:30 AM MST reply actions  

That's a good way of turning the phrase.
VC’s free agency onsite says he has to be disposed of

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Dec 5, 2011 11:36 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

So ESPN's latebreaking news

is that sources reveal that the Suns intend to release Carter…..

Way to dig deep to bring people the news.

Who’s their source, Captain Obvious?

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Dec 5, 2011 11:34 AM MST reply actions  

Jim, stop blowing my cover.

I’m trying to stay anonymous here, geez….

I will love Steve Nash... forever and always.

by NashMV3 on Dec 5, 2011 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

That's it

Hand over your user ID and password AT ONCE

by Raptorel on Dec 5, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Raptorel, we expect you to still visit us after VC is gone.

And give us updates of how he’s doing on his new team.

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by East Bay Ray on Dec 5, 2011 12:05 PM MST up reply actions  

That's an embarassing proposition

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by jc79 on Dec 5, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh don't worry, I'll flood you people with news about the player you cherish and worship

My scouting report so far (via Captain Obvious) says you should expect high fives from him when playing against the Suns and pictures with Grant Hill and Steve Nash before the game starts.

by Raptorel on Dec 5, 2011 12:31 PM MST up reply actions  

How’s Barbosa looking these days? Are you gonna amnesty Calderon? Should we trade you Lopez for him?

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 5, 2011 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Vince Carter and Pietrus look like they could be good at basketball... but they're not.

On the other hand, Nash, Dudley, Frye and Gortat look like a bunch of amateurs…, but they’re not.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 5, 2011 12:12 PM MST reply actions  

We're a bizarro basketball team

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by jc79 on Dec 5, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

With one difference - one was great and the other was not

And one seldomly is still great.

The thing with Vince is how he sees the game: he sees the game as a demonstration, as a GAME (not a war), and plays accordingly. I can relate to that because I see it in the same way.

The only times I really get serious about basketball are:

1) The ball hits me in the face and I get annoyed and start playing hard
2) The guy I’m defending starts playing hard on offense on me so I get annoyed and start playing hard. Sure, you need to defend first for that to occur so…
3) I get fouled.

Not sure these apply to Vince though ^^

by Raptorel on Dec 5, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Vince Carter leaving is the Suns Christmas present to everyone.

And it is the most beautiful present a Suns fan could receive.

God I hate Vince. And don’t go giving me that ‘hate is such a strong word’ cr*p. In Vince’s case, it’s not strong enough.

I hate him because he made me want to believe in him. His signing, despite my heart shouting at me and telling me that every scrap of evidence suggests he is going to spend more time on the floor than an alcoholic homeless guy, jack up more shots than a heroin addict and whinge more than a 18 month old baby who is constantly being pinched on the cheek by his grandparents, my head still told me it might work out. I viewed the footage on youtube of him and remembered the dunk on Zo. I watched the dunk contest. I rewatched him helping Toronto into the play-offs and I tried to believe.

And then, right on cue, he acted like a complete d*ck.

I hate him for making me feel that I should care.

And while I’m on a hate-trip, I still hate STAT. Y’know why? It’s because HE made me believe. He made me believe that he was enjoying his basketball enough to stay around once his contract ended. I tried to not care. I relented for most of the season and then he dunked all over Golden State which turned the tide in the game and got the Suns the win.

How could I not believe in a man that could do that for his team?

And then, right on cue, he did what was best for him. And I hate him for that.

Y’know who else I hate? Sarver. HE is the reason for the above and I hate him.

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by keiththejourno on Dec 5, 2011 1:01 PM MST reply actions   3 recs

Thats a lot of hate!

I feel you though… I too opened up to Carter even though I knew I shouldn’t. I hoped he would somehow come to PHX and flourish, but this was not to be.

Amare… I always hoped he would maybe take a look around him and possibly take note of players like Hill and Nash. Nash easily could be greedy and try and get a max contract somewhere, but he does not. Amare could have followed in his example and taken a smaller contract in order to stay here with the team, but he didn’t. I honestly can hardly watch him anymore in a Knicks uniform.

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by AcucracK on Dec 5, 2011 1:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah. And then now they have Carmelo. I hope Rondo is their next PG. They can be a team of total douches.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 5, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I hate STAT too for the same reasons. I don’t hate Vince though because I knew he was trash. I’ll be very happy when he’s gone though.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 5, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Another guy corpse gone in our roster…I wonder who the FO is signing/trading before the season starts. I’m also curious to see what Morris can do.

Random thought: Can we paint Gortat green every game and call him Martian Gortat? That would probably eliminate Mr. ORNG.

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by modernage13 on Dec 5, 2011 1:35 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Ha.

Kobe would likely murder him the first time he hits the Staples Center floor clutching a limb that doesn’t hurt.

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by keiththejourno on Dec 5, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

I actually think Kobe, of all people, could put in some soul into Vince's chest

Kobe has this knack of getting to players and waking them up, I think Vince would actually respond positively to Kobe.

That is – if he took care of his body during this offseason. I have no idea what to expect from him athletically (well, I do, but still) – how much worse can he be vs last season?

by Raptorel on Dec 5, 2011 4:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Ugh......

Mr. ORNG….. Totally forgot about that awesome character….. LOL

by Airwave on Dec 5, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

I saw a random pic of him recently on Twitter

I don’t know if it was just a bad cellphone pic, but he looked like he aged about 15 years from the last time we saw him on TV. Either the lockout took a toll on him or that orange paint ruined his skin.

Twitter: @FredLegittt

by modernage13 on Dec 5, 2011 6:47 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh noes!

I sort of checked out the day we got VC… I’ve neatly missed the VC in a suns uniform-era.

I probably missed a ton of shamefaced moments of dark twisted humor. VC is gold for that shit.

Following the drama from down unda...

by ZonaFlash on Dec 5, 2011 2:44 PM MST reply actions  

Quick!

Somebody write up a suns obituary for this waived soul!

Tell me what greatness I missed of Vince Carter Suns era!!

pleeaaase!

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by ZonaFlash on Dec 5, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

CTLVCOF. That’s all you need to know, man.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 5, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I think my favorite VC moment

Was when he set a good, hard screen on Steph Curry during a game against GSW, sending Curry to the floor. Instead of using the advantage of the opposing D missing a man, he stopped to help Curry up. Then, if I remember correctly, he said “Awww, I didn’t hurt you, did I, little buddy?” Then he bought Curry an ice cream cone. Or something like that.

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by East Bay Ray on Dec 5, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

It was a chicken breast

Vince is a believer in low fat, high protein diets for good health

by Raptorel on Dec 5, 2011 4:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Lol, yeah. I remember that. Not the competitive fire we needed.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 5, 2011 5:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Jesus I remember this...

I was screaming at the TV when he did this. So much fail

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by AcucracK on Dec 5, 2011 6:12 PM MST up reply actions  

What, you expected him to kick him while he's down

See, it’s you who has the twisted morals!

by Raptorel on Dec 6, 2011 4:36 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Here's my question

As happy as I am to get rid of him, and as much as the eye test tells me that he dragged our team down immensely last season….is that really true?

Look at the stats for the Nash/Carter/Hill/Frye/Gortat lineup:

http://www.nba.com/news/features/john_schuhmann/statscube-preview-2011-PHX/index.html

+14.6!!

But when Gortat shared the floor with Nash, the Suns were pretty good on both ends of the floor. And their third most-used lineup, which included Nash and Gortat, was downright dominant in almost 200 minutes of action. There were only three lineups in the league (the Celtics had two and Dallas had one) that were better in as many minutes as that lineup played.

I mean…wow. That’s amazing.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 5, 2011 6:06 PM MST reply actions  

I didn’t look at the link yet, but guessing before the trade we had crappy Lopez barely scoring and rebounding while J-Rich was playing decently, but then Gortat and Carter came which basically doubled the offense of J-Rich and Lopez combined plus more rebounds from Gortat.

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by modernage13 on Dec 5, 2011 6:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Weirdly enough

Vince was the most efficient pick and roll ball handler in the league for the Magic before the trade occured to Phoenix.

by Raptorel on Dec 6, 2011 4:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Which kinda does jack squat for our team

since Steve handles that particular duty

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by jc79 on Dec 6, 2011 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

I know

Vince plays really well when he handles the half court offense, a thing Kidd always allowed him to do with the Nets. Kidd was in charge of the fast break offense.

by Raptorel on Dec 6, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions  

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