Phoenix Suns and Steve Nash: It's Time We Say Goodbye
by Beavis 25 on Dec 7, 2011 9:45 AM MST
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It's time to move on. It's time to part ways. These past 7 years have been good if not great. It's been a fun ride, filled with many ups and many downs. There's been a lot of good memories, but we can't let them hold us back. I love Nash and I always will appreciate what he did for this Franchise, but at some point you have to have the guts to accept that it's over and move on. We have to let go. Not the memories, but Nash. It's for the best.
The way I see it is that we had our last chance or opportunity with Steve back in 2010 and then rid ourselves of any futures opportunities by letting Amar'e go. Originally, I was one of the guys pulling for the Suns to keep Nashty and give contending another shot back in the olden days of 09, while the other half of the Fanbase and the media wanted to trade him. I'll admit, I wasn't opposed to trading Steve Nash (if it were to actually happen), but then I'd rather we just kept him because I knew it wasn't completely over. I knew we still had a shot.
Going into 09-10, the Suns had the talent. They just needed a couple more role players, some luck and chemistry. The biggest thing on that list was chemistry. With Porter and Shaq out, chemistry became a realistic goal. If they could achieve it, they were certain to rise to contention once again.
What they didn't need was more faith. They already had it. The players themselves knew it wasn't over. Remember that the reason Grant Hill and Steve Nash re-signed was because they believed the Suns could still be a contender and were a much better team than what their 08-09 result showed. Does anybody else remember Grant Hill's should be famous among Suns fans quote,"We have unfinished business"? Those are the words he told us after signing his new contract with the Suns. Remember trade deadline? We were just a few games over .500 and Jared Dudley was campaigning to not trade Amar'e Stoudemire. Why? Because, "we need him to compete!". Even Jared Dudley thought the Suns could still be a contender, mid-way through the season following a 12-18 game stretch.
Compare then to now. Ask yourselves, what are the players saying? How is the chemistry? Where is the talent? Can we get better?
Between contending, rebuilding and remaining mediocre, I'd rather we take the rebuilding process if contending isn't a possibility and I don't believe it is.
Now, there are two ways we can go about this, but they both involve the Phoenix FO doing something they don't seem to have the guts to do. Call up New York and Orlando about trading Steve Nash.
It's simple, the Knicks could give us Billups, Landry, Dougles and Shumpert. It's a terrible offer, I know and I don't like it for either team, yet I believe the Knicks would do it if they failed to land CP3.
The Magic could offer Nelson, a couple late 1st round picks and Bass/Anderson. Terrible offer, although I like it a bit more than the former and it may be the best we could get.
Plus, I seriously see the Orlando Magic saying yes to that. They're in a tough situation in that they could lose Dwight Howard for nothing if they don't improve, but the problem is that they can't seem to find the players to convince Dwight to stay.
Nash despite his age, I believe will be enough to convince Dwight. Grant Hill too (I know weird). They get Nash, sign his buddy Hill and bring in another role player or two and they should have a squad better than their previous two versions if not better than their 08-09 version. Hill and Howard should make for a great defensive team while Nash and Howard should make for a great offensive team. I know a lot of Magic fans would be against this because of the age of those guys, but I'm positive that if it really happened, they'd all talk themselves into it including the media. After all, it's not hard to talk yourself into Steve Nash and Grant Hill, especially when Dwight Howard is on your team and Grant is actually healthy. That right there is Championship material.
Back to the Suns. We move on having accomplished the first phase of the rebuilding process. Then next summer, we can add some intriguing, young players through free agency and a few 1st rounders to our group of Jameer Nelson, Bass/Anderson, Gortat, Frye and Dudley. Not a bad way to begin the second rebuilding phase.
What say ye?
[Note by Beavis 25, 12/06/11 9:24 PM PST ]
There is a actually a 4rth option, "Conbuilding". Kerr tried it in 08 and 09 and it worked until Sarver traded Amar'e, Dragic lost his confidence and Lopez his back and legs, but I think it may be too late to try it again. Just wanted to note that.
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Trading Nash is the dumbest thing we could do
Right now we’ve got question marks at three of the five positions on the floor. Why in the hell would we want to make it four out of five?
I'm Michael Beasley's imaginary friend.
Three?
What 3?
PG-set
SG-?
SF-Set
PF-Set (for the most part)
C-set
They only othe spot I can see is maybe SF, but I think with Hill resigned and Childress we don’t have an issue there. Also I put a ? at SG but thats only half true. Dudely can be a starter or backup
who is our PF?
I want to sign Andre Kirilenko. I think Nash can make him great again. I still get mad when I think we almost had him and a pick for Shawn Marion
Sure
We have a PF that can start, but do we have one that can take us to the playoffs. Not that he has to be Amare but has to compete with him on both ends of the floor.
Fan of the TEAM not a player.
by Suns Fan For Life on Dec 7, 2011 3:14 PM MST up reply actions
I'm down for trading Nash
IF that’s ok with him. I think he’s earned the right to say yes or no to any trade at this point.
And please no Jameer Nelson. Orlando would be better this year if they flat waived Nelson. He’s that bad.
Voted most likely to say "I told you so"
Nelson is a stopgap along the way. We’ll have him two years at the most. That’s just enough to get us by until we find a PG to rebuild around.
Don't trade Dudley!
Hold on, why do we need Jameer Nelson if he's just going to be a stopgap?
I don’t get the logic of trading away Nash just to rent Nelson for two years. Why can’t we just play Steve for two years and THEN start our rebuilding process?
It just seems like you all want to trade Nash just because… honestly, I have no idea why you guys want to trade Nash. Our best scenario in any situation is to keep him, I thought this was already established. We can’t get anything of equal or greater value if we do trade him, we are not an attractive free-agent destination without Steve, and Steve gives us the best chance to win. Really, I don’t get it.
"I'm a nobody." - Steve Nash in 1997
by PHXSunsRunNGun on Dec 7, 2011 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
Why can’t we just play Steve for two years and THEN start our rebuilding process?
2012 draft class is suppose to be really good and really deep.
We have to get back Nelson because we can’t have Dowdell as our starting PG.
Don't trade Dudley!
Wouldn't Dowdell guarantee a top 3 pick?
Get Nelson and then try to move him, I say
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Exactly.
Trading Nash to become a worse team and get a better draft pick and then worrying about having a good PG for this season doesn’t make the least bit of sense. You want to tank and rebuild? Dowdell sounds like a great choice for 66 games at the point then.
Not sure if any of that happens, but I for one would LOVE to see Nash playing with Dwight! I miss seeing powerful ally-oops :(
Agree with the post tho Beav, think its time to move on. Sob
just remember
Nash is a surprisingly poor post entry passer so there’s potential that pairing doesn’t work out so well….and for some reason, I don’t see Nash and SVG being buds
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 7, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
I've thought about that too, but I can still imagine Orlando saying yes if our FO called them up and offered Nash.
We never know, they could say no, but my instincts tell me they’d take the bate if they’re desperate enough. I’d expect the same offer from above if that were the case. The 2 late first round picks would be the best part of the deal. We could then package one and a player or two to move up.
Don't trade Dudley!
I think SVG is expendable at this point
He’s had his chance, and his relationship with Dwight is somewhat strained.
Voted most likely to say "I told you so"
Then again,
Howard isn’t exactly known for his post game. When the Magic made the finals, the bread-and-butter play in the fourth quarter was the high pick and roll with him and Turkoglu, and I think Nash can run the PnR effectively.
Still, you’re right that it’s not guaranteed to work.
well
If Nash get’s grant signed, he will most likely re-sign. Maybe we just have to trust that nash and the F.O have a plan and can recruit before retirement.
Way to play the poll, Beav.
i don’t wanna just swing one way or the other. I picked trade him, even though my preference would be to just let him go next summer and try our luck at landing either one of those elusive superstar PGs if they haven’t already been traded yet.
I’d love to have us sign CP3 or D-Will next year but that’s the only hope I’m hanging onto now. I have and always will love Nash, but the only way we’ll be re-signing him is if we have no better options next summer. Plus he’s gotta want to come back too.
I will love Steve Nash... forever and always.
Even with a slanted poll, fans are leaning towards keeping him
Flopped the other way, the poll could have been…
“Trade him for all-stars”
or “Keep him unless the right deal comes up”
BAMF goes HAM.
The poll actually looks almost even.
Right now, there’s only a 6 vote difference in favor of keeping him forever.
I will love Steve Nash... forever and always.
I like Polls
Also, I thought Seth said we don’t have a shot at CP3 or D-Will next summer?
Don't trade Dudley!
we don't
Steve Kerr said as much today on Bill Simmon’s podcast as well
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 7, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
Can anybody summarize?
I don’t really want to listen to a Bill Simmons podcast
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Definitely listen to it
It’s worth it
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/grantland/player?id=7326290
BAMF goes HAM.
Here's the thing, though, Beav...
once the season starts, and you see Nash out there doing his thing, splitting defenders with a behind the back bounce pass to Gortat for the Hammer Down dunk, you’ll be screaming, and hugging yourself, like a 10 year old girl at a Justin Bieber concert, saying, “Oh, Steve, I never meant it about trading you!! Be my baby, baby, baby!!”…just like I will
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 7, 2011 7:28 AM MST reply actions
Here's the question-- Was last year the dying gasp of an aging veteran led team?
OR— Was it a valiant attempt by a savvy veteran to glue together a highly convoluted team concocted of mismatched pieces that kept changing, who only missed the playoffs by one untimely injury to Channing Frye?
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 7, 2011 7:35 AM MST reply actions
OR Are you saying, Radical Surgery is coming to the Suns some time soon...
Therefore, perform the Nashectomy now so that we can get on with the Recovery and we’ll be well-positioned for next summer?
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 7, 2011 7:39 AM MST reply actions
At this point
we’ll probably lose him next season since I’ve been hearing a lot about Hill going to the Knicks. Nash said it was important for Hill to come back so…
Twitter: @FredLegittt
Back then, I was quick to say that we need to trade Nash for draft picks to immediately start the rebuilding process
While I see Nash as the player that introduced me to the Suns, I can still see myself remaining a Suns fan without Nash all because of the high hopes I have for Gortat. I don’t agree with the trade proposed by Beavis. No to Jameer Nelson but any other point guard that has significant experience running a team would be welcome and preferably the ones that has stable knees/ankles to start with. I don’t want to see the Suns pushing their luck with two aging players (Nash and Hill) while sacrificing the peak of Gortat or being in the position where Gortat would be able to choose where he can continue his career.
Women were the reason I became a monk - and, ah, the reason I switched back... -Morte, Planescape Torment
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7xvssjv
Who do you guys would say no? anyone?
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Dec 7, 2011 9:54 AM MST reply actions
Seeing as the trade fails in the trade machine?
Have you not heard? I was under the assumption that everyone had heard.
by WellABirdBirdBird on Dec 7, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
The new CBA allows 150% leeway on contracts.
The trade would go through
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Dec 7, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
why would Minny take that trade?
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Dec 7, 2011 3:05 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
They get rid of two contracts that are very bad
by trading beasley. Its common knowledge up here (Minnesota) that the wolves are looking to trade him or mmmmmaybe, if the right deal comes, Williams.
but who knows the wolves never do anything that makes sense.
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Dec 7, 2011 3:11 PM MST up reply actions
Even if they did want to get rid of two bad contracts, they get worse in return. They’d be better off keeping those bad contracts. And we’d be giving up our two best players. Rondo is a nice piece, Beasley could be really good, but it is a gamble, and we’d have no dependable C again. We’d still need a SG, and when we get that player, we’d have a glut of wings.
but it is an interesting scenario.
In the end, I think without Nash AND Hill to guide Beasley, he probably wouldn’t straighten out & Rondo’s attitude, I fear, would sink playing for a lesser team than he’s used to. Its just a guess, of course, but I don’t think this would work out.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Dec 7, 2011 8:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think the suns would take that
trading away our main ticket seller and our most promising player for an incomplete pg and a tweener with a bad attitude.
Brain over heart
My brain says it’s time, but heart will never feel that way. Unless, that’s what Steve wants. I think he’s earned that right. I would even root for the Heat, if that’s where he ended up.
newest BS report with Steve Kerr
wow…he discussed the issue of money about Marcus Banks AND Kurt Thomas!!!!
If you want to lose 75% of your fan base go for it.
The Suns already lost about 10% of their fans due to the silly lockout. If you want to lose even more fans and more money for the franchise go for it. This will give Robert Sarver an excuse to have more of a tight bunghole than he already does.
by Spencer Lee DeWoody on Dec 7, 2011 10:43 AM MST reply actions
If Hill signs with the NYK
Is Nash going to re-sign? The Suns are going to be left with nothing. Next year’s draft will be a great one to tank for.
No
When Nash spoke about Hill last week, I read it as “if Hill isn’t resigned, trade me”.
by Toon Army Sun on Dec 7, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah. I kind of feel the same way.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 7, 2011 9:48 PM MST up reply actions
It is the only way I can see Steve leaving this season, at least before the trade deadline
If we keep Hill I really think the organization will try to bring in some guys to make a shot at the playoffs. Without Hill, Nash doesn’t really even want to stick around and it would be best for everyone to go there separate ways.
People have been asking this question
For years now, and ESPN in particular are constantly discussing it. In all that time, I’ve never once seen a proposal where the Suns get back good pieces of any kind.
So, no. Absolutely keep him. The only way I’ll change my mind is if there’s an actual good proposal out there which provides some useful pieces to rebuild with.
Maybe picks
The upcoming draft is so stocked.
Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.
Can’t say I know much about it, but draft picks alone isn’t going to change my mind. I’m looking for genuine young talent in return.
by Toon Army Sun on Dec 7, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
Only problem with picks
is that Steve will immediately reduce the value of any pick the Suns receive in a trade by improving his new team.
And I’m not sure a really crappy team (who’s picks will have real value) are in a position to “win now” and therefore won’t have much interest in Nash.
Excellent point
Only problem with picks is that Steve will immediately reduce the value of any pick the Suns receive in a trade by improving his new team.
Of course, he’ll increase the value of our pick because we’ll be such an awful team without him.
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by East Bay Ray on Dec 7, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
What if we trade him to a team
that is holding a different team’s pick?
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 7, 2011 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
I could be wrong
But looking at nbadraft.net, I don’t see any potential suitors with a top pick via trade. I guess the closest would be the Clippers who have the Timberwolves pick next season, but that’s it.
Of course, they might be able to get some high picks through a 3-teamer.
BAMF goes HAM.
The Clips could make noise for sure
They have Kaman’s expiring contract they could give us to make the money work, they’ve got Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon, and they’re one of the teams in the Dwight Howard / Chris Paul sweepstakes.
Having Nash would be attractive if trying to lure Howard. Losing an expiring contract and that pick would not be good for that, though they still have the assets to pull a 2nd superstar trade if they give up one/both the young guys.
I would pull for a Nash/Dwight Clippers team, in spite of them being the Clippers.
Voted most likely to say "I told you so"
If Nash has a problem with Sarver
Wait till he works for Sterling.
by hcblankscreen on Dec 7, 2011 5:20 PM MST up reply actions
Celtics seem willing to give up Rondo
I would potentially be open for Green/Rondo for Nash. Through in a pick and that is about as good a deal as you can find. They are trying to win now and would trade Rondo for 1 year of Chris Paul.
by Suns Fan For Life on Dec 7, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
That's a good one.
Didn’t consider it, although I believe the Celtics would like someone they can rebuild around. They still have a player to rebuild around if they swap Rondo for Paul.
Don't trade Dudley!
They wanted to rebuild around Paul Pierce
and he’s like 34 right? It might work hahaha
Twitter: @FredLegittt
Also forgot Phoenix drafted Rondo
he even said he wouldn’t be as good today if he was a backup for Nash throughout this whole time.
Twitter: @FredLegittt
Ainge has said
He is would make the trade even it meant that Paul was only around a year since he has said he won’t resign in Boston. They are in WIN NOW mode with the big three aging and likely breaking up next year. Depends on if Nash is in WIN NOW mode or TEAM LOYALTY mode. ALso depends if Hill stays. If not…
by Suns Fan For Life on Dec 7, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions
That's a really good point.
The Celtics, probably more than anyone in the league, are in WIN NOW mode. Nash would be perfect for their situation. Nash for Rondo/Green may be the ONLY Nash trade I’d be down with.
by iwasneveryoung on Dec 7, 2011 7:26 PM MST up reply actions
Although the thought
of Nash running a pick’n’roll with Garnett makes me throw up in my mouth a little.
by iwasneveryoung on Dec 7, 2011 7:27 PM MST up reply actions
Paul said he wouldn't sign witht he Celtics.
So, they couldn’t rebuild around him. They just want to win one more before KG’s knees fall off.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Dec 7, 2011 3:08 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
unfortunately, they're only giving up rondo..
for a crack at CP3. They tried it directly thru NO, but they aint interested in Rondo, so now they’re going thru whoever NO is interested in, which included steph curry and eric gordon (!). Haven’t seen anything about them wanting nash…
the whole situation’s pretty messed up..you’d think more teams would be interested in rondo.
Ok...my heart is broken i have accepted i need to change Nash...if that ever happens will i trade him for so little ?
Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.
Yeah....hate to say I'm on board too....
I’d rather suffer through a lockout shortened 66 game season than a full 82 game season. Not that next season (and the season after that…and after that) wouldn’t suck too but at least we’d be running a top 5 pick out there.
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RIP Seasons of Discontent
Question??
Do the Suns own their own pick this year? It makes a difference and I’m ignorant of the fact. Thanks.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Yes, they do.
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Twitter: @EastBayRaymundo
by East Bay Ray on Dec 7, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
It's never a question for me of "should we trade this player?" or "should we trade for that player"?
Unless there are specific proposals that are at least semi-reputable rumors, this is just chatter. How can you take an intelligent position without knowing what the real impact would be? None of us here know what other teams would be willing to give for Nash, though we think we do.
If the goal is simply to suck as much as possible this year to get a higher draft pick, then sure, trading Nash would achieve that objective. That might be a better long-term strategy, but isn’t assured to be. It will never be a strategy that I can get behind. Wanting to see my team suck? Hell no.
A friend of mine is a Broncos fan. He was upset when they won their second and third games this season because he saw it as they blew their chance at the #1 pick and Andrew Luck. Well, now that it’s late in the season and they’re pushing for a playoff spot, he’s singing a much different tune and is happy his team is keeping things interesting. I realize this comparison has lots of holes in it, but I guarantee most of us will be loving it if the Suns go into the stretch pushing for a playoff spot with Nash leading the way.
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by East Bay Ray on Dec 7, 2011 11:23 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
I'm going to take issue with this.
None of us here know what other teams would be willing to give for Nash, though we think we do.
I can list what one team would definitely offer. I can guarantee you that the Knicks will give Phoenix Billups straight up for Nash. Now if you’re talking about fair trade value, that’s a more turbid situation… Do teams always know this? Isn’t it a crapshoot to a certain degree? Doesn’t one team sometimes win a trade and the other one loses? Hasn’t Portland went out of their way to avoid drafting Jordan and Durant? Aren’t players around the league constantly signed to execrable contracts that come back to screw teams?
I don’t necessarily agree with the position that the “decision makers” are unilaterally better at judging all of these situations than knowledgeable fans. Obviously the general public as a whole can be easily confused (part of what makes them the general public), but just because somebody gets a job doing something doesn’t necessarily mean they’re good at it.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 7, 2011 11:51 AM MST up reply actions
totally agree.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Dec 7, 2011 3:11 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
They would throw in Shumpert as well
that appears to be the only reason they drafted him.
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I think I know where your going with this
and I like it.
Your thinking that the Suns should look at signing Tebow as soon as the football season ends aren’t you?
He’s a little short for a two, but I can see it working. He would go 2-13 on the game (with no turnovers), and then the ball would bounce of his head at the buzzer and go through the hoop for another thrilling Suns come from behind victory!
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 7, 2011 11:56 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
i had a heart attack
when i misread the title of this post (Phoenix Suns and Steve Nash Say Goodbye) on the front page
Sounds like Nash and Hill could both be on the Knicks soon. Reports are that Knicks want Grant to be their starting SG, and he is leaning towards accepting the offer. How crazy would that be if we then traded Nash and they have Nash, Hill, STAT, and D’Antoni? Ugh. I’m going to go puke. Watch them win a freaking championship too, our championship.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 7, 2011 11:27 AM MST reply actions
only thing is that the Knicks don’t really have anything on their roster to trade for. I would love to see Nash go to the HEAT.
Where did you read about this?
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 7, 2011 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
The only report that I could find that said Hill wants NY
was from the NYPost Knicks blogger who cited unnamed sources claiming that Hill likes New York City and also Scottsdale.
Also apparently
He bumped into Allan Houston at a Duke game. So you know, rumours in overdrive.
I’m not too concerned at this point. It was the same patter two years ago that he was close to going to Boston. Confident he’s signing with the Suns again.
by Toon Army Sun on Dec 7, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
"Every time they visit New York and then leave, they always say, ‘Boy, we should get a place here,’’’ one person familiar with Hill’s thinking told The Post. "They love New York.’’
That is literally as close as I can find to claims that Grant Hill wants to sign in New York. Every other post that says Grant Hill is leaning towards the Knicks references this blogger’s post.
From Real GM —
Grant Hill’s interest in joining the Knicks and being slotted as their starting shooting guard on a potential Eastern Conference contender is growing by the day, and there is a sense he is leaning toward that option.
The Bulls and Clippers have been mentioned as possible landing spots for Hill, who has played the past three seasons with the Suns.
Hill would be playing in the New York spotlight, where a basketball renaissance has taken place.
He would be thrust into the basketball mecca and his wife, Tamia, a recording artist, would be in the media and musical mecca.
She is expected to release a new album in two months.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 7, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
As I said:
“Every other post that says Grant Hill is leaning towards the Knicks references this blogger’s post.”
As does the one you posted. In fact, what they write is a direct quote from the Knicks blogger’s post.
I never read the blogger’s post. But Real GM usually has good rumors.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 7, 2011 12:33 PM MST up reply actions
They just got done talking about it on the radio
a minute ago. So it might not have any foundation whatsoever, but it’s getting play on Phoenix sports talk radio.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 7, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
they aren’t winning a championship. They wouldn’t have as much talent as any of our WCF teams in the Nash era, and zero depth.
If they play with the Heat, I’m going to puke. I can’t stand those three bastards, and I would have such a hard time rooting for Hill and Nash if they sign up with that crap.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Dec 7, 2011 3:13 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
DO NOT TRADE WITH THE KNICKS
Please for the love of god don’t. I know it would be nice for Steve to get back with Amare and D’antoni but they have nothing to really offer any team….. Oh, and hell no to Nash on the Heat. That would just be so…. wrong…..
this poll will end up 50/50
it’s heart vs. brain, and I think everyone deep down knows that.
2 questions to ask yourself:
1) are the Suns in line to be competitive enough to win a championship within the very near future?
2) if yes, keep Steve. He’s valuable NOW. If no, trade him for assets that will positively impact our future.
“Buy low, sell high” seems like a callous thing to say, but it’s true. We’ve had a really great run, but we need to get started on our next great run. The Phoenix Suns always have a way of surprising us, though, and I’d love to see this scrappy group of guys prove me wrong.
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Selling high? A 37-year old player who ended last season with an injury?
The “sell high” on Nash ship sailed long ago.
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Twitter: @EastBayRaymundo
Spurs just used the amnesty on Richard Jefferson
I wouldn’t mind a SF that shoots 44 percent from the three…that’s if BAMF leaves us.
Twitter: @FredLegittt
Um, deal is not even done yet, so how can they amnesty? Lockout still in effect.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 7, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
rosterbation ... ahhhh
sign-and-trade Hill with Nash to Knicks and pick Jefferson on the cheap, with an eye toward a good lottery pick and a good season in 2012-2013
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Trade for what.
What do the knicks have. Landry fields is nice, but almost the same as Duds.
by Suns Fan For Life on Dec 7, 2011 2:12 PM MST up reply actions
I don't know
It’s fantasy rosterbation … In my imaginary world the Knicks have something sexy to give the Suns
Mmmmm ... Guinness
I mean
I guess they have Amare and Melo. Through in chill and the salaries work for either of those guys.
Fan of the TEAM not a player.
by Suns Fan For Life on Dec 7, 2011 4:03 PM MST up reply actions
okay, People Who Want to Trade Steve Nash,
let me make sure I understand your thinking here
Trade Steve Nash, you say. Fine.
Who would want him? Teams that are one star PG away from contending for a title.
What would they be willing to give up in return? Probably a decent role player and a draft pick or two. A high draft pick? No, because the team that trades for him will probably go deep into the playoffs.
So where does that leave the Suns? Well, it means we will have given up the most beloved (and maybe, most important) player in the history of our franchise for a couple of wilson chandler-type guys and a high-20’s pick in the 2012 draft.
But that’s okay, you say. Even though the Suns will be unwatchable and an abomination to the game of basketball this season, it will actually work to our benefit in the long run. The worse we are, the better chance we have of landing a top pick in a loaded 2012 draft.
Gentlemen (and ladies), I cannot accept this. First of all, tanking a season for a high draft pick is chickenshit. It was chickenshit when the Spurs did it so they could draft Tim Duncan, and it was chickenshit when the Celtics did it in the 2006-2007 season. In addition to being utterly at odds with the spirit of athletic competition on which our love of basketball is based, tanking as a strategy for rebuilding has a spotty record of success, at best.
Are we guaranteed a #1 or #2 overall pick if we finish with a terrible record? No. Even if we have a high draft pick, is it guaranteed that he will turn into a guy we can rebuild our franchise around? No. Is it guaranteed that the FO will use all of its cap space to make intelligent personnel decisions? No.
Here’s what is guaranteed: If we trade steve nash we’ll be losing our best player, the emotional heart of a team and fan base, and maybe the best Sun of all time.
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
by u_must_chill on Dec 7, 2011 12:24 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
I think the Clips have Minnesota’s first. So I would definitely consider them. Otherwise, I agree with you.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 7, 2011 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
if we dont trade nash
we will be a mediocre team for the next couple years, and when nash retires, we have nothing and are a disgusting team for who knows how long. If we trade nash we will get something in return and will probably be pretty bad this year, but we will have prospects and draft picks to hopefully propel us in the coming years. With our current roster, we will not win a championship, and there is really no way to build a championship team in the next 2 or 3 years with nash year with him still on the team. Dont lower your expectations, for me winning 40-45 games every year and missing the playoffs is not good enough.
Yeah, but
There’s only one guarantee:
Nash won’t be here in three years and sticking in the “No Man’s Land” of the 7-10 spot in the West will only guarantee continued mediocrity. Time to hit the bottom and detonate.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Hopefully Tom Leander can announce this process
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By the way
I would rec your tag line if I could.
by Suns Fan For Life on Dec 7, 2011 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
First of all, tanking a season for a high draft pick is chickenshit.
One can look at it that way, but now would be the time to do it. Rebuilding isn’t easy and I understand why a lot of Suns fans wouldn’t be up for it. They’re just not used to it. It’s a new experience. Plus, it’s not like we’d be purposely trying to lose games. I expect the players with or without Nash to give it their best and win as many as possible.
Don't trade Dudley!
It might be chickensh*t ...
On the other hand, there are two ways to spell principal/principle.
On the other-other hand, “discretion is the better part of valor.”
You can fight it out and kill yourself like an idiot, if you want to. Or, know when to get the f*** out of Compton and come back to fight another day.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
On the fourth hand
It’s always the right time to get the fuck out of Compton.
On the fifth hand… how the hell many hands do you have?
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ive been saying since last year we needed to trade nash and rebuild
If you dont get really bad in the NBA its hard to rebuild if ur not a mega market. Getting 40 wins and the 13th is hard to rebuild with, usually superstar players are had in the top 5 picks. HOWEVER this year is a short season, and because of this some teams have a chance to get hot. Before I said nash had to go to rebuild, but because of the season length, im not opposed to seeing if this team can get hot early first.
If Hill signs in NY then I say trade Nash now
I am fine with whatever. If he stays I will be happy to watch Nash, and if he is traded I will be very sad but I will understand it is what is best for the future. If Hill is signing somewhere else Nash will not even want to be here so that is an easy decision to make. I think the FO is going to wait until they know what the deal with Hill ends up being.
Are we still doing this?
I say no. No no no. We DO NOT trade Nash until the man himself ASKS to be traded. Its not about money or rebuilding its about loyalty to a player who has done a shit load for this team.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
"All they’re fighting for is to stay as obscenely rich as they are now, based on their ability to bounce a ball and throw it in a hole." East Bay Ray, October 10, 2011
"the players and owners are squabbling over how to divide the pie that WE BAKE FOR THEM." East Bay Ray, October 31, 2011
Too bad.
That’s one of the places I’d be happy sending him, as we’d actually find some value in return.
Agreed
The only rumors regarding a Nash trade that have intrigued me are ones where we could somehow steal Derrick Williams from Minnesota without giving up Gortat. I think they would be a fun frontcourt pair to watch. Besides, Nash is Canadian, so I don’t think living in Minnesota would be as bad for him as it would be for normal people.
IIf BAMF does not sign with us
we may get the dreaded request from Nash. If so, what say you then?
by Suns Fan For Life on Dec 7, 2011 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
If that happens...
I say we send him wherever he wants to go. Get it done. The guy deserves everything we can give him on the way out.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
"All they’re fighting for is to stay as obscenely rich as they are now, based on their ability to bounce a ball and throw it in a hole." East Bay Ray, October 10, 2011
"the players and owners are squabbling over how to divide the pie that WE BAKE FOR THEM." East Bay Ray, October 31, 2011
I'm waiting for Scott to comment about how we don't owe Nash jack.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
Look right below you.
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by Scott Howard on Dec 8, 2011 10:22 AM MST up reply actions
Alas, I already have.
I was just hoping you might reiterate your point in a wittier fashion in response to N8.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
Scott Howard? Witty? Surely you jest!
The burns to my psyche from his acerbic words are hardly a result of wit…
Scott Howard is witty in the same way Hellraiser is a pincushion: in the most extreme, volatile, and scary way possible!
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
"All they’re fighting for is to stay as obscenely rich as they are now, based on their ability to bounce a ball and throw it in a hole." East Bay Ray, October 10, 2011
"the players and owners are squabbling over how to divide the pie that WE BAKE FOR THEM." East Bay Ray, October 31, 2011
by N8lol on Dec 8, 2011 7:29 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This team has done a shit load for Steve Nash as well.
Including backing up a Brinks truck to his house twice.
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Nah
Not any more than any team would have done for him playing as well as he has. In fact, he was likely worth a little more. That Nash took a paycut to stay here is more than enough evidence of his loyalty to us to inspire (at least in me) an unreasonable amount of loyalty back.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
"All they’re fighting for is to stay as obscenely rich as they are now, based on their ability to bounce a ball and throw it in a hole." East Bay Ray, October 10, 2011
"the players and owners are squabbling over how to divide the pie that WE BAKE FOR THEM." East Bay Ray, October 31, 2011
This is not about Nash, it's more about the team
Plus it’s not like Nash is playing for free
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No shit its about the team...
but the “team” isn’t only about how we do this year or next, its a culture, a community we are building as well. I don’t want 10 extra wins a year by being a dick to the guy that made me like basketball again.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
"All they’re fighting for is to stay as obscenely rich as they are now, based on their ability to bounce a ball and throw it in a hole." East Bay Ray, October 10, 2011
"the players and owners are squabbling over how to divide the pie that WE BAKE FOR THEM." East Bay Ray, October 31, 2011
by N8lol on Dec 8, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we should extend Nash
Then sit him out for the year with a “neck” injury. This way we can keep Steve AND get a top pick next year. BOOM!
BAMF goes HAM.
by brian13 on Dec 7, 2011 2:31 PM MST reply actions 11 recs
That is the best idea I've seen in this thread.
Rec.
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And
we’d get a five million dollar disabled player exception, good to sign one player!
All we’d have to do is find an NBA doc willing to sign off on this ruse.
Anyone know if Donaghy has any medical certification?
steve's back has been screwed uo for years
He can claim it flared up. Canadians never lie.
by GDD on Dec 7, 2011 4:26 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Too late, Dr. Kevorkian is already gone
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it's like he's redshirting...I like it
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Trade him if the right deal comes along
but I honestly don’t think it will. Although we might be wrong thinking that teams won’t give us really good young talent for him. My best bet is that he will finish his career as a Sun and I don’t see that as a negative thing either.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
I think you have to trade Nash.
This roster needs an infusion of new talent. This roster as constructed is not a playoff team and that is including Hill if he signs. If Hill walks that gives more reason to trade Nash. We all love the guy. He is a HOF player who has meant everything to this franchise. However he can’t help that Sarver has destroyed this team and ruined its chances to contend. Give Steve the credit and respect and move him to a contender so he has a shot of winning a NBA championship.
Next years draft is deep. Say the Suns get a 20ish draft pick in return, that pick in this years draft would be a top ten talent.
Cold truth, this team is not any good. Time to make the transistion. It is going to be painful but it has to be done.
Lets wait and see what happens first...
Obviously, The Suns aren’t going to make any big splashes in free agency but we could still make a move to improve this team through the trade market…The deal for Hedo last off-season literally came out of no where.
I honestly think this team is one impact player away from being able to be a sure bet to make the playoffs.
If we could somehow get the Jazz to re-open talks about Paul Millsap or land a young, talented player like Michael Beasley or OJ Mayo then this team could go from .500 at best to maybe even winning a playoff series which maybe would be enough to attract some good players to play here next season for one last hurrah.
"The Phoenix Suns always get the retarded brother; Markieff Morris, Taylor Griffin, Robin Lopez, and the Collns twin."-Some dude from Twitter.
It's not like the Suns tried preventing Steve Nash from getting a championship
I love him as much as all of you do, but the Suns have done a ton to give me a good supporting cast. In 2007, with Amare, Shawn Marion, and Shaq, they almost went all the way. In the end, after all these almost-there trips to the Finals, we need to all see that the Suns did their job. Yes, they made some bad mistakes, but all and all, they gave him a good career to work with.
If we do trade him, I do hope it’s to a contender, because he deserves it. But the Suns should get credit for the teams they did give him (The 2010 Suns Bench, anyone?).
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
i think they screwed up big time.
first of all, they had Amare, Steve, AND joe johnson on the same team, and they messed that up! So they basically give the old double finger salute to JJ, and then spent that money on locking up Boris for 9 mil a year, and barbosa for like 6 mil. Second, not signing amare was a big mistake IMO. Sign him for five years, make a run for two more years. It would have been worth it. Especially since we spent that money on pointless guys such as childress, and warrick. The FO screwed up this team big time.
did you forget?
The fans were begging the Suns to lock up Diaw and Barbosa.
Have you seen JJ on the Hawks? Max money for that?
Not signing Amare was a mistake. “Market value” and “value to your team” are not necessarily equivalent. I think that’s where the mistake was made.
For the most part, however, the Suns did spend money to bring players in. While the execution may have been questionable, I don’t think the effort or the check-signing was questionable.
Why do I say that?
Yeah, mistakes were made, but everyone was, in fact, trying their best. Nash cannot complain that he was hung out to dry in his prime.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Dec 7, 2011 3:43 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
you are suggesting that it was a good move
to let JJ go? We wouldn’t have paid him 20 mil a year, it would be 14-16 mil. he isn’t a number 1 guy, but a number 3? Yes sir.
were we begging for the suns to pay diaw 9 mil a year??? i sure hope not! i know i wasn’t! especially since we were reluctant to give JJ his money.
they were kind of trying. remember all of the picks we sold? remember giving first round picks and kurt thomas away for nothing???
He wanted -- and got from Atlanta -- a max extension
It was pretty close to $20M a year. He wanted max money to be the #3 or #4 on the Suns. Or, max money to be an All-Star in Atlanta. I’m not going to re-live it all in this post. Search this site for the discussions and to get links to what actually went on.
It’s hard to discuss history sometimes …
Mmmmm ... Guinness
5 years 70 mil.
im pretty sure. you can’t actually get “the max” until your 3rd contract. i think the max for a second contract is 5 years 80 mil. he didn’t even want that! lol
i don’t have to look anything up haha
The yearly
“I don’t give a shit about the draft” has killed this team. Flushed first round picks down the freaking toliet
My theory:
In a drunken haze, Robert Sarver might’ve mistaken player draft picks for draft beer picks. Given he already has an amazing collection of the finest hard liquor, squandering draft picks is of no consequence to him.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
trade if and only but
If we can get a great player this year, and Hill resigns, don’t trade him.
If Hill signs with someone else, we can’t get real talent, and/or Nash asks to be traded, we should do it- BUT only if we get something decent out of it.
Personally, I hatethe Knick deal less than with Orlando. At least we get someone usable out of NYC. Nelson is useless. He’s awful. We wouldn’t want him for more than a tanking year.
I’d rather have high picks. Would we get that out of the Clippers if we give them Nash and Hill? Just Minny’s pick? And, what would we get in return for the trade in talent? Eric Gordon would be great if possible- but it ain’t going to happen. So could it ever be worth it?
Trading Nash depends on what we get. If we get nothing, we gain little, and certainly no guarantees. Even if we tank, what if we draft the next Oden or Kwame Brown?
It’s almost all left to chance either way.
And my god we sound so desperate in all these posts and comments. Are we that bad off??
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Dec 7, 2011 3:27 PM MST via mobile reply actions
we are pretty bad off.
to be honest, there isn’t much hope this season. we just need to get our top 10 pick, and hopefully hit on it.
Finally people are coming around
get rid of him, better to start rebuilding now, rather than later.
it doesn’t even matter if we get something in return.
how could it not matter if we get something in return?
why would we give away Nash for nothing at this point?
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so we can tank and get a high draft pick.
i don’t want to win 35-40 games, then have to rebuild after that. why not start now? we aren’t winning this season.
40 W season wouldn't be bad this year...
40-26
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by TheAlexSkinner on Dec 7, 2011 4:55 PM MST up reply actions
That strategy only works for NFL draft.
NBA lottery kinda screws that up. There are also a significant amount of teams that are going to be awful this season.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 7, 2011 5:03 PM MST up reply actions
lol i think we will be the worst if we trade nash.
PG- dowdell/free agent/ whoever we get in a trade for Nash.
SG-crappy free agent
SF- Dudley
PF- Frye
C- Gortat
they will probably have the worst lineup in the league!
what other option do we have? we aren’t going to sign big free agents. the only way we can rebuild is through the draft.
Indeed that team would be awful
I’d rather the Suns be awful with Nash and still get a lottery pick then be awful without him just for more ping pong balls in the lottery. Making the playoffs in Nash’s last year would be exciting too. Part of my logic is based on Suns history with Sarver on anything resembling a rebuilding effort and draft picks. I hope I’m wrong this year with Morris. A trio of Frye, Gortat, and the orange M&M could be a force.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 7, 2011 5:47 PM MST up reply actions
the thing is
freaking nash will probably have us barely out of the playoffs again. We’ll probably be like 12th or 13th in the lottery order. if we were able to lose with nash, i’d say keep him. But he’s going to win too much!
He does pull out some Ws...
from his Sarver-hole.
Trading up from a middle rounder to a higher pick is not inconceivable. The Suns may have to throw in an asset. Ususally 2nd rounder. At that point they will know what they want to do with Nash or if he wants to be a FA.
Aiming for a top 5 pick by tanking never seems to work out. Also next year’s draft is a little deeper so 5-10 should be strong.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 7, 2011 6:01 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
It's so crappy to say all eternity...
i remember a Tales From The Crypt cap about something like that…
but wel…it’s not all brain vs heart thing. I read all the pros and yet I’m not convinced to give our best piece for crap or players that doesn’t want to be here (like Billups).
I’m not also willing to bet at the picks they throw at us cos they would mean nothing bos Steve is gonna make that team better. And no one would like to change their top ten pick for ours.
So, let it be, go out and compete. If Nash and Hill stay healthy, we can be a playoff and a series winner. Not so bad
"Steve Nash is more valuable for the Suns than Kobe for the Lakers" - Jared Dudley
BURN HIM
Blasphemy most foul. Its not like we get anything if ee trade nash anyway. If he wants out, he can walk after this season. If we make an earnest effort to build around him and prepare for the passing of the torch, maybe he stays. Let him choose.
by GDD on Dec 7, 2011 4:22 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Let Nash finish out his contract
Trading for garbage offers will just leave a bad taste in my mouth. Just like Schilling, Barkley, and Randy Johnson trades still do. Unless they could somehow get a lottery pick for next year. Anything else won’t be true rebuilding. I am not one of those fans that wants to see his favorite players “get a chance at a ring” for another team. Screw that. In fact, that’s a reason to not trade Nash. Never, ever, ever, ever do I want to see LA, Boston, or NY win another championship.
By letting Nash finish out his contract it frees up a ton of money to completely rebuild and go in any direction next year with better free agents and better draft. Another option is to actually get a decent backup PG, keep Nash and Gortat, and just gut the entire roster for some new blood.
Apparently Sebastian Telfair is leaning towards signing with the Suns
As I see it there’s really no need for Steve Nash anymore. Bassy’s got this.
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hell yeah!!
seabass as a sun? sounds good to me! trade nash and start him! lol.
at least we’ll be entertaining while losing.
Exactly. Hilariousness would go up by 214%
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Dec 7, 2011 6:36 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I AM NOT FOR TRADING STEVE NASH
1. We would all be depressed about watching out team crashing and burning for three years
2. The Suns would lose more than half of their fans
3. No one would respect your choice of NBA team for the soon to be “sucky suns”
4. I would have to change my name
Lets squeeze out the years he has left and hope Gortat comes back an even bigger beast and that Markieff Morris becomes the next Blake Griffin (probably not gonna happen but he could become really good)
For clarification
I didn’t mention any teams like the Wolves, Clippers…because I really don’t think they would want to trade for Nash, but who knows? I’ve been wrong before.
I’ve read many of the comments here and it’s very mixed as I thought it would be. Half say keep Nash, the other half say trade him. Then out of the group that does want to keep Nash, some believe they can still compete, others are satisfied with just having a shot at the playoffs and the rest just want to enjoy Nash on the Suns for as long as they can even if they don’t compete.
As for myself, it’s either all or nothing. Compete or rebuild.
Don't trade Dudley!
A random trade idea
Since Utah wants to rebuild, i doubt they want their old al jefferson or raja bell. This trade would give them youth and possibly a first rounder
PHX gets: Utah gets
Bell Lopez
Jefferson Pietrus
AK47 or Millsap Warrick
first rounder or aaron brooks
We would be a solid defensive team with most of our team being defensive experts
heres the clearer version
PHX gets: bell, jefferson, AK47 or Millsap
Jazz gets: Lopez, Pietrus, Warrick, Brooks or first rounder
AK is a UFA
that would be a sign-and-trade, and I don’t think Utah is interested in taking on salary at this point
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I like the clearer version.
I’d be all for this. But, AK is a UFA, so are you saying it would be a sign-and-trade? I’d love to have him on the team.
Nash would probably like to have Raja back, even if he can’t play very well any more. Maybe our staff can fix him up again.
But what does Big Al become for us? Starting C? Gortat goes back to the bench? Or vice versa? Al wouldn’t want to be 2nd string. Though he is a major upgrade over Lopez.
Overall, if this worked, and Utah went for it (which seems doubtful to me) it would be great.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Dec 7, 2011 9:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Al's only 27
he just runs like he’s 50 because of knee problems
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retarded
This is the shittiest article i have ever read. Stop trying to get rid of steve nash. No scenario is going to help us rebuild quicker. OP ur ideas suck and would put phx in a bigger whole for a longer period of time. Fans and the media need to stop trying to control where nba players go for their own personal beliefs. If you knew anything of the game you would have a job as a talent scout or GM instead of writing in forums.
I love you too Beavis.
borderline adequate
by waxmonkey on Dec 8, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I respectfully disagree with your assessment of the current situation, Beavis,
and would love to further dialogue with you concerning this issue— is, I believe, what he was trying to say
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 8, 2011 6:34 PM MST up reply actions
I've read shittier.
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Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 8, 2011 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
The shittiest you have ever read?
Way to not sugarcoat it there…… Just because he doesn’t share your opinion doesn’t make it irrelevant. There is a legitimate case for both sides of the argument…..
Fans sometimes know as much as the team itself
Example: We all knew cutting Matt Leinart was a terrible decision.
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