NBA Rumors: Chris Paul Trade To Los Angeles Lakers, Does It Spell Disaster?
by Seth Pollack on Dec 8, 2011 6:51 PM MST
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PrintThe Los Angeles Lakers have done it again. They pulled off a big time trade that landed Chris Paul while sending Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol away to the New Orleans Hornets and Houston Rockets respectively. The initial reaction I'm seeing on Twitter is a lot of doom and gloom -- oh, no, the Lakers did it again. But I'm not so sure this deal is as good as some seem to think, especially in the short term and especially if they can't some how also get Dwight Howard.
I put together a more detailed analysis of the trade here. I looked at it for each team and broke down the salary numbers. The long of the short of it is this: I don't see the Lakers being better with Kobe, Paul and Bynum than they were with Kobe, Odom and Gasol.
What made the Lakers so damn good was their size. Kobe was great, sure, but the Suns beat the Lakers when it was Kobe and Kwame Brown. Add Kobe to those three seven-footers with compatible skill sets and whamo! Rings.
Now, if the Lakers can still manage to flip Bynum for Dwight Howard it's game over. But we are a ways away from that.
In the mean time, Bynum's knee is still a question long term. Chris Paul missed half the season two years ago and played with a giant brace on his knee last year and he wasn't the same guy and Kobe went to Germany for some kind of plasma therapy on his knee.
That's a lot of knee issues along with the obvious time it's going to take them to gel. The Lakers now have Bynum up front and then....(crickets). So, let's no rush out and panic over this deal just yet. K?
[Update by Seth Pollack, 12/08/11 7:11 PM MST ]
It would appear the other NBA owners didn't agree with me that this wasn't a great deal for the Lakers so they apparently nixed it. High comedy right there, folks. Any guesses which owner(s) bitched the loudest?
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The NBA has killed the proposed deal to send Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources tell Yahoo! Sports.
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You're missing the pressing issue.
Is Paul taking over the Kardashian responsibilities, or is she getting packaged to Houston with Pau?
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by waxmonkey on Dec 8, 2011 6:54 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Competitive balance?
Channing Frye would NEVER catch flying french fries with his left hand!
don't get me
started on that one…I am seriously peeved at respected national writers totally missing the point of that and mocking it
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It's hard to dismiss conspiracy theories when stuff like this happens..
Either other GMS are incredibly stupid or the Laker sincredibly lucky…
My moeny is on them being incredibly stupid…
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I am seriously peeved at respected national writers totally missing the point of that and mocking itridiculous.
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Completely disagree
I really think that NO got more than they desrved on this trade.
1. Paul could leave next year for nothing
2. His knee is moooore than iffy
3. You always trade for bigger – that’s what they say…
So I guess NO with Scola, Odom and Martin if they resign west – are as competitive as they were with Paul, I will go out on a limb and say they would get further this year than they did last year.
For LAL getting CP3 for Gasol and Odom is not such a great move in my opinion – they lose the most creative big man in the game + their 6th man for a great but injury prone PG.
They would by no means be a monster if the trade went through. And the trade doesn’t even remotely remind me the Gasol steal…
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Dec 9, 2011 4:57 AM MST up reply actions
The lakers didn't win a bunch of Championships being stupid...
No disaster, but we get to watch the CP3/Kobe wrestling matching over who gets to handle the ball more…
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by Daryl Ray on Dec 8, 2011 6:57 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with everything you say, but...
I will continue shake with terror until I hear that Dwight Howard has signed an extension with anyone who is not the Lakers.
Do you blame them..?
This is the kinda stuff they wanted to prevent with the whole lockout business…
Free Dennis Rodman, I say…
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An interesting twist.
The 29 other owners, with their majority de facto control over the league and the league’s actual control over the Hornets don’t want this.
Wonder what power they actually have in this situation. Wonder if it is their right, legally or ethically, to wield it.
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Wonder how David Stern would do in a cage match with the 29 other owners...?
“What…me worry…?”
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Only one way to find out...
Did you ever see celebrity death match?
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That show was fun times
"I could have been king, but in my own way I am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
So all trades going out of NO have to be approved by all 29 owners? Thats seems odd.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
In theory only.
I would expect that when the league took over the Hornets, there was something in some paperwork about them being good faith owners, and being required to look out for the best interest of the Hornets.
Without that, 31 owners could just decide for NO to be the worst team out there all the time, and fail to draft well. There’s a conflict of interest when you are owned and run by your competitors.
Assuming that is the case, it would have to be shown that the league is not acting in the best interest of the Hornets in order to block the trade. In my opinion, NO did pretty well in that trade. Claiming their being bamboozled is a hard pill to swallow.
The only other option would be for the owners to claim that the trade is so one-sided and the result will be so destructive to the league’s ability to create an entertaining product (i.e. one team completely dominates and wins every game every year), that it must be blocked for the good of the league. It appears that this is the approach the owners will take, at least in the short run. It’s a little harder to disprove.
I can’t see either of those claims panning out. It’s a legal trade. It’s a good trade for the Hornets. It won’t break the league.
Assuming neither NO, LA or Hou backs out or changes their mind, I see it going through.
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by waxmonkey on Dec 8, 2011 8:11 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Again, I don’t think they are claiming it’s illegal. I think they are using their leverage with the lockout not being over to say they don’t want it and Stern had no choice but to acquiesce. He doesn’t want to lose a season or two of the NBA. It would be an irreparable black mark.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 8, 2011 8:19 PM MST up reply actions
still I don’t see the legal argument against the owners being able to kill the deal for “basketball reasons”. You can’t prove it one way or another. The burden of proof is on the accuser.
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by Alex Laugan on Dec 8, 2011 8:25 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Wouldn’t that be the league then, since they are claiming a kill due to “basketball reasons” on an otherwise perfectly legal trade?
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But the league owns the Hornets
It’s no different from Sarver kiboshing an “almost” Suns trade, is it?
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Depends.
Assuming the league has some sort of legal responsibility to do what’s best for the Hornets while they are running the Hornets, they’ll need something other than “because we own you” as grounds for killing it.
Which is, I think, why they are going the “basketball reasons” route.
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You mean, like....
Giving up the face of the franchise will devalue it?
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Don’t think that’s likely to fly. It’s hard to argue that NO has a real shot of re-signing Paul, so getting value for him is their best bet. I think they did pretty well in this regard.
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but yet its hard to argue that New Orleans DIDN’T have a shot at re-signing Paul, and it’s always better to keep a superstar than give him away for lesser players. That’s proven over time.
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Considering his unwillingness to sign an extension and his public preferred list of teams to play for (that don’t include NO), I don’t think that’s hard to argue.
Certainly NO would want to keep him, absolutely no argument from me. But he’s not staying.
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could change his mind in a year. We are talking about human beings. Nothing is certain until it really happens.
(I’m just making lawyer arguments)
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well, if you're making lawyer arguments, you have to throw in some Latin-ese
like U2’s Kid pro Bono, and Have-at-your Corpus, and Temptest Fuggit, and stuff
and then we’d have to pay you thousands of dollars to marvel at your obfuscation!
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 9, 2011 7:10 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
For "basketball reasons"
The Hornets would’ve gotten a great deal for CP3… Scola AND K-Mart?
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
Oh right, Mr. Kardashian.
That dude is a matchup nightmare… Basketball wise, they’re better off without CP3 considering what they’re getting back for him.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
by NashMV3 on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
that would be a unique team
Odom would be the defacto point guard with Scola on the block, and Martin and Dragic on the wings
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I agree. This was an amazing package for the Hornets. I was shocked they were getting so much.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 8, 2011 9:24 PM MST up reply actions
I forgot to mention Odom and Dragic.
It’ll be Goran, K-Mart, Odom, and Scola that they’re getting for just CP3…
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
The league denies the owners did it
so you would first have to prove that they did. Good luck with that.
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Stern can put it through if he wants
but that basically makes him the CEO who did what the Board of Directors told him not to do.
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Awesome. I’m guessing they threatened to continue the lockout, which they were very reticent to end in the first place, but Stern had done an amazing sell job. He couldn’t spin this though. This was outright thievery. The next step was to trade Bynum for Howard and a 10-year dynasty was all set. I’d sure as hell bitch about it if I were the owners also. Now, if NO wants to trade Paul to Warriors or Clippers or Boston, will everyone complain then? What if it happens? LA will sure have a reason to complain.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 8, 2011 7:19 PM MST up reply actions
of COURSE it’s their right. It’s any owner’s right to stop a trade, and they own the Hornets.
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Woah
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Owners were irate in Board of Governors meeting with Stern, livid that the league-owned Hornets were allowed to make Paul deal, sources say.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
Exactly
It’s not the end of the world yet. I am much happier seeing Paul in a Lakers Uni than I would be seeing Howard in one. As it stands right now, it looks like the Lakers get Paul but not looking likely that they can also somehow swing a trade to get Howard as well.
If they do somehow manage to get Howard I am going to write off the NBA…
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by AcucracK on Dec 8, 2011 6:58 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
In other "news"
Amare Stoudemire has been totally blown away that he’s 6’11" for the past five hours. Tweeting and retweeting his amazement at himself.
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by waxmonkey on Dec 8, 2011 7:00 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Apparently he's wearing heels
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competitive balance?
Channing Frye would NEVER catch flying french fries with his left hand!
No..."Belladonas" are better shoes...
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He can be 7'4" for all I care.
He still can’t average double-digit rebounds.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
by NashMV3 on Dec 8, 2011 7:06 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Wasnt it Chuck that said...
What do you call a PF that averages single digits rebounds?….a Small Forward.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
We have to let the STAT bitterness go, NashMV3...
How can we fully hate Vince Carter if we don’t…?
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by Daryl Ray on Dec 8, 2011 7:09 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Don't need to.
He’s gone. Time to move on to Peaches or Hak. Or just reserve it all for Garnett and Kobe.
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by Omaha Sun on Dec 8, 2011 8:59 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't hate LeBron like you..
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??
Do you mean, “I don’t hate LeBron like you (NashMV3 hate LeBron)”
Or, “I don’t hate LeBron like (I hate) you (NashMV3)”?
Ambiguous references can get you into trouble!
(And snotty English profs as well!)
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 9, 2011 7:17 AM MST up reply actions
(just giving you a hard time!)
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 9, 2011 7:17 AM MST up reply actions
:-)
Take it however you wish. Eric knows the truth.
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Wouldn't he have said
“I don’t hate LeBron like I do you”?
That’s if he was expressing his hatred towards me. In any case, I’ll take the former because it helps me sleep at night.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
you mean the Amare that might be traded away to make room for Chris Paul or Dwight Howard?
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Wouldn’t that be poetic justice? :)
Or at the very least, funny as hell.
In related news, he says he gained the inch through “improved posture”. Not something more reasonable, like… growing.
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He always looked slightly hunched over.
Like his neck went out instead of up.
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Maybe he stopped carrying the world on his shoulders,
his “broad shoulders.”
Channing Frye would NEVER catch flying french fries with his left hand!
that’s a good point. Rockets want under the cap to sign Nene. We sure could use Martin and Scola…hmm maybe they want Nash?
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 8, 2011 7:20 PM MST up reply actions
Yes!
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Nash and VC’s corpse so they can buy him out for scola, martin, lowry and the dragon. Salaries are close. Maybe throw in Peaches. They were willing to get rid of Scola Martin and Dragon to NO. Why wouldn’t they want to upgrade from Lowry to Nash? They can waive VC and sign Nene.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 8, 2011 7:41 PM MST up reply actions
We’d probably throw in a pick too…but maybe it’s possible.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 8, 2011 7:52 PM MST up reply actions
Gasol cannot make all of his teammates better.
Channing Frye would NEVER catch flying french fries with his left hand!
As it turns out, not even Nash can make Vince Carter look good...
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
That happens when you throw the ball to a lefeless cold body. Nash can do alot of things, but we'll leave raising the dead to the one man i love more than Nash.
Fan of the TEAM not a player.
by Suns Fan For Life on Dec 8, 2011 11:23 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
John Edwards?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
When the Lakers ran their offense through him
they won two championships. When they ran it through Bynum, they got swept by the Mavs
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Stern blocks the CP3 to the lakers trade
based on irate owners.
let the puppet show continue…..
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I’m not. They’re already getting HOward. They don’t need CP3 on top of it.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 8, 2011 7:20 PM MST up reply actions
Possibly..
Just not sure where people keep coming out and saying these things are already said and done with no legit sources.
If thats how it works..
Suns are already getting Derick Rose and Blake Griffin. Fact.
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by AcucracK on Dec 8, 2011 7:55 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Being sent out on the Twitterverse... now.
Suns are already getting Derick Rose and Blake Griffin. Fact.
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 9, 2011 7:20 AM MST up reply actions
well if it’s on the twitterverse then it’s bound to come true
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They can't block Howard.
The collective owners don’t “own” Orlando like they do NO.
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They can.
Stern can. They didn’t block it on the grounds that they own NO – probably because that would cause a massive shitstorm of conflict of interest/collusion claims. The blocked it simply on “what’s good for basketball is a completely arbitrary decision that I’m making right now and will back up later maybe”.
If Stern can do that here, he can do that anywhere.
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It's not a given yet.
If the owners are jumping on this Paul deal when it would actually cripple the Lakers, imagine how they’d react for a Howard deal that would strengthen them.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
Doesn’t matter. The owners won’t have any say once the lockout is over. They just have a lot of leverage right now because the lockout isn’t over. We all know it’s going to happen. No one can trade anything better than Bynum.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 8, 2011 7:42 PM MST up reply actions
This isn't so bad.
Compared to a possible Hedo and Howard for Bynum and Odom trade, this deal doesn’t make the Lakers an even bigger superpower.
I’d be more afraid of this lineup:
PG – Fisher
SG – Kobe
SF – Hedo
PF – Gasol
C – Howard.
As opposed to this one:
PG – Paul
SG – Kobe
SF – Barnes
PF – Artest (Fuck World Peace)
C – Bynum
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
It would be hilarious and not in a funny way if the Lakers swing around and trade for Howard.
Wonder if the owners get a bigger hissy fit then the Paul trade.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
and the lockout is gonna be over and the owners wont have as much leverage..and Stern is going to say F U owners and it’s gonna be crazy.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 8, 2011 7:21 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously...Pau and Howard together on the floor is going to suck for the other team.
I’d rather have them get Paul…that’s IF they don’t end up getting Howard
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Agree
Fan of the TEAM not a player.
by Suns Fan For Life on Dec 8, 2011 11:25 PM MST up reply actions
I dont see how this trade works money wise
the hornets would be getting rid of Pauls 16mil but taking in over 30mil in salary. That cant happen, can it? someone explain.
well
consider that they are trading one player for four and also if they were to keep Paul he’d be adding a ton of future contract obligation so the money isn’t really that big a deal.
Even after the deal (now deal) they would have been right at the salary cap around $58m which isn’t huge.
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Hornets under the cap, can do anything that keeps them there
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just added it up. stupid trade machine
says they are over the cap at 68mil, 10 over, thus declining the trade.
According to a recent Coon tweet
they’re not that far under cap, and something will have to be done to make it all work.
Not that that changes anything.
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You guys know what this means dont ya?
Chris Paul to the Suns next year baby!
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
by atkammoh on Dec 8, 2011 7:33 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Kind of shocked than Stern killed the deal...
Like it or not, the trade seemed pretty fair. It’s not like the Lakers were giving up scrubs for CP3, they were losing Odom and Pau…One could argue LA would actually be worse off after the deal (until you realize they were also going after Howard in the grand scheme of things).
I’ve seen much more lopsided deals…Blocking this one doesn’t make much sense.
by 7footer on Dec 8, 2011 7:38 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I think had Bynum been included, it wouldnt have been blocked. Plus, I think it looks bad that the first major move after a lockout in which competitive balance between small market and big market teams was apparently a huge deal, would be a small market team giving up their superstar to a big market team.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 8, 2011 7:44 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont think the owners even saw what the Lakers were giving up...
their entire front line. Hindsight is 20-20.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
I think the owners knew the Howard was right on Paul’s heels… and THAT would have been nuts
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by Alex Laugan on Dec 8, 2011 7:51 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Could they have been able to block that trade?
Or since its NO which is NBA owned and the owners had a say in it?
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
The only owner who could block that trade
would be the owner of the Magic.
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I believe this is correct.
The NBA owns the Hornets, so technically they do have a say in the trades they make.
well but then the league office can still kill the deal, like they claim they did today.
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But that's because the league own the Hornets
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You're definitely right...
I mean, I get why people are upset…But there’s no rules against small markets trading players to big markets. The deal in and of itself seemed fair…That’s really all that’s supposed to matter at the end of the day, right?
by 7footer on Dec 8, 2011 7:49 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Plus letting the lakers keep Bynum keeps open the option of them getting both Paul and Howard which seems ridiculous given what the lakers have to trade. Trading basically Bynum, Odom and Gasol for Paul and Howard really seems to throw competitive balance out the window.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 8, 2011 7:53 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
THIS
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by Alex Laugan on Dec 8, 2011 7:54 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I 2nd your "THIS".
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
by NashMV3 on Dec 8, 2011 8:18 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Right?
I could see the “best interest of basketball” argument gaining traction with Paul and Howard going to LA, but not just Paul.
The fear of Paul+Howard being killed might end the trade as it is, once LA realizes the first half of that deal is not a good one for them.
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If Paul and Howard want to play together, it's pretty clear what they need to do.
HOLD OUT ON ALL THIS BS and just sign with us :)
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
by NashMV3 on Dec 8, 2011 8:25 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Yep
If the Lakers somehow land both those players then this lockout was a joke and the future of the NBA is going to be about trifectas big name stars all joining forces for big market teams.
The NBA, where shit happens.
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Right.
I don’t think Paul makes the lakers better necessarily, but I’m not comfortable with the trade if Bynum isn’t included. I don’t want Howard and Paul in LA together with Kobe. If one of them goes there, thats fine, and I’d prefer that it be Paul rather than Howard.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 8, 2011 8:05 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, Bynum for Howard would be the deal to block...
That’s the one that you could honestly claim was an unfair trade…but I think they jumped the gun in anticipation of that happening. The lakers have a legit gripe here about the CP3 trade…That should have been allowed since they gave up two all-stars to get him.
by 7footer on Dec 8, 2011 8:18 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
if i am Dell Demps
i would give stern the middle finger and accept the deal and announce it on media day tomorrow
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by phxuk: Ap on Dec 8, 2011 7:43 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
but we now know Chris Paul is getting screwed...
can he still go to any big market team if the other owners keep bitching?
Good Question
things should be interesting as things play out and the actual true reasons the trade died surface.
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Paul gets played millions to play a game,
He’s not getting screwed.
by Chris_Coffel on Dec 8, 2011 8:12 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
yes, he is!
I nominate Chris for a Clear-Thinking-Above-and-Beyond-the Fray medal!
(Personally, I would just say Fakers Stink and they should lose all rights to Pau andOdom for even proposing such a deal! But, I’m not as smart as Chris.)
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 9, 2011 7:30 AM MST up reply actions
Actually
Aren’t the Hornets fans screwed if they don’t trade Paul and he walks next year with nothing in return? Where I have seen this before?
@daldridgetnt David Aldridge
League spokesman: “Not true that owners killed the deal…League office declined to make the trade for basketball reasons.”
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Of course, they’re going to say that. And DA is the NBA’s patsy.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 8, 2011 8:09 PM MST up reply actions
Would you believe...
ok, see, the deal was called off… um, cause… um, cause Odom doesn’t like jambalaya? Yeah, that’s the ticket! And he’s afraid of hurricanes! Katrina might come back! So, no deal! ’Cause of Odom, see?
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 9, 2011 7:34 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
So the Knicks are shedding salary and aren’t going to get Hill. He’s down to the suns and spurs according to sources. He wouldn’t really leave us for the Spurs would he????
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 8, 2011 8:09 PM MST reply actions
- shedding salary to get Chandler, I meant.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 8, 2011 8:09 PM MST up reply actions
yeah I’m hoping he’s just stringing them along so he can twist the knife harder tomorrow.
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by Alex Laugan on Dec 8, 2011 8:30 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Now the Lakers get to welcome back Pau Gasol and Lamar Kardashian
Who you’d have to think will be butt hurt by this whole fiasco. Drama in Lakerland. Sweet.
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by East Bay Ray on Dec 8, 2011 8:09 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
this'll feed their bruised ego pity-party for a season or so
for some reason this is all going to be Kobe’s fault, too.
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Odom is definitely hurt.
Heard him on the radio and he had clearly been crying just before the interview. He also went on to say how he thinks he’s rubbed people in the organization the wrong way by having his reality show and he was upset that not many people from the team came to watch him get his sixth man award.
Maybe the team should just get a reality show
Kobe can be like the Kim Kardashian to start all the drama. Every time they lose a game he starts throwing his towels to Pau and shove around and stuff like that.
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by modernage13 on Dec 8, 2011 9:12 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Now wouldnt the Lakers have to trade both Pau and Lamar.
Otherwise it would get ugly fast.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
I think
They’d have to trade Odom for sure. I feel like Pau will handle things fine.
Pau looked halfway checked out in the Mavs series last year.
There was a supposed rift between him and Kobe.
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Calling him Gasoft playfully in the locker room probably isn't helping.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
Hey, maybe he'd like to wear purple and orange?
I’m not really sure who the Suns are saving all this money for next year anyway..Howard will be in NY or LA…Who else are the Suns waiting for?
by 7footer on Dec 8, 2011 8:22 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Boris Diaw?
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
by atkammoh on Dec 8, 2011 8:24 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't Robin's twin an FA?
Apart from Howard, D-Will, and CP3, the free agent list is pretty strong next offseason.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
2012 Free Agents include
Dwight Howard
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook
Roy Hibbert
Eric Gordon
Andrew Bynum
OJ Mayo
Michael Beasley
Kevin Love
Brook Lopez
Chauncey Billups
Elton Brand
JaVale McGee
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Bro, how can you forget the headliner of that free agent class?
Steve MF Nash.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
I totally forgot about Elton Brand...
It all makes sense now.
by 7footer on Dec 8, 2011 8:42 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Gotta wonder if they will keep shopping them after this…
From the sounds of the things the league does not want a “Heatesque” trade going through right after the lockout, so I would assume this means no Howard trade to a big Market team either.
Interesting…
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NBA.com reported last Thursday that NBA spokesman Tim Frank issued the following statement: “Not true that owners killed the deal…League office declined to make the trade for basketball reasons.”
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/33762570
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i guess the basketball reason is that
chris paul gotta shut his mouth and shouldn’t demand a trade in the first place!!!
Odom was on the radio
pretty much crying in an interview.
I felt embarassed to be a man at that moment. One more thing I can thank the Lakers for.
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Haha wow
This is ridiculous. Can’t wait to see what drama unfolds from this deal being rejected. Good times! I got my popcorn ready, T.O.
Through all this...
Im still keeping my hopes up for Paul and D12 FA signings by Phoenix in 2012. Brightside Baby!
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
This is optimism at its finest.
That or completely insane delusions. It’s hard not to confuse one with the other.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
Like when a girl tells you Not in a million years when you ask her out...
and you say….so theres still a chance eh!
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
Stern
League source on killed deal: “…(Stern) wasn’t going to let Chris Paul dictate where he wanted to go.”
let me guess who shared this quote from a league source. Does his name sound like Schmojnarowski?
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he has turned out to be an extremely biased, one-sided writer who carries Kobe’s (and all players west of Miami’s) jock.
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You can't deny that he's the guy to go to when it comes to trade rumors.
Other than that, yes his “articles” are usually “LeBron is a giant cockweasel” or “Praise Kobe’s immaculate feet!” pieces.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
by NashMV3 on Dec 8, 2011 8:42 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
well there’s others just as good now, or better (as a collective), and most others are more objective. I just check out the media twitters page on hoopshype.com
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Yeah, that's what I usually do for trade rumors.
If there’s anything else that’s newsworthy, I expect you guys to write an article about it. So… yallz iz mah newz zource.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
SBN is definitely my source for all things sports.
I may look elsewhere, but I always start here.
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right on. On the news front, this was interesting on twitter a bit ago
JMcDonald_SAEN Jeff McDonald
Based on what I’m hearing tonight, wouldn’t hold my breath on Grant Hill joining the Spurs.
19 minutes ago
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Great timing.
And exactly what i was talking about. Why join Twitter when you guys post the stuff worth reading?
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by Omaha Sun on Dec 8, 2011 9:19 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
good example of bias and hyperbole:
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
To listen to the GM’s, coaches, players, agents reaching out to me tonight: I think the NBA has changed forever with Stern’s act tonight.
1 minute ago
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Had to share this gem.
borderline adequate
by waxmonkey on Dec 8, 2011 8:27 PM MST reply actions 4 recs
How about Pau to LA for Kwame friggin Brown + chip dust in the bottom of the bag?
borderline adequate
To this day, my friend is still telling me to get over it.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
tell him no
bullshit is bullshit and just cuz it’s in the fields doesn’t mean i got like it
happy turkey day
by 2NASHTY on Dec 8, 2011 8:59 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Marc Gasol > chip dust in the bottom of the bag
And so was the cap space that allowed them to sign Zach Randolph to a big deal.
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Yes.
But at face value at that point in time, it was very lopsided in favor of the Lakers…
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
yes, and ‘cap space to sign Zach Randolph’ was too embarassing to say out loud at that time, even if that was the plan.
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Aren't there a bunch of Suns fans here
Who are saying we should trade possibly the greatest player in franchise history for peanuts because “it’s time to rebuild” and “we need a better position in the draft?”
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by East Bay Ray on Dec 8, 2011 8:58 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
If we do that, we'll have our reasons
The Grizzlies had their reasons. And it ended up working out OK for them.
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True, but how has it worked for Minnesota?
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KAAAAAAAHHN!!!
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by jc79 on Dec 8, 2011 9:15 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Hindsight is 20-20
For all we know, Marc Gasol could have broke his knee or just sucked. At the time, it was a terribly, lop-sided deal that surprisingly ended up working for both teams later on.
Don't trade Dudley!
Let me fix that for you
Hindsight is 20-20. For all we know,
MarcPau Gasl could have broke his knee or just sucked.
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Yep, but Marc Gasol was an unknown at the time
Trading away your franchise player for an unknown and cap space is very lopsided. They should have got some young talent back.
Don't trade Dudley!
They got Javaris Crittendon
it’s not their fault he turned out to be homicidal
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Gasol was a young franchise player
They could have demanded a much better offer.
Don't trade Dudley!
The other thing about that trade
was that it forced the Suns’ hand in trying to match up with the Lakers, which meant a trade. A bad bad trade.
Channing Frye would NEVER catch flying french fries with his left hand!
Thing is
Bynum was out for the season. I believed we could have beat the 07-08 Lakers in 6 or 7 games had we not traded for Shaq.
That trade was more about getting rid of a whiny player who was causing stress in the lockerroom in return for a player that would bring everyone joy (except half the fanbase). It also may have had something to do with us matching up against the Spurs.
Gosh, we were 3-1 against them that season. I thought for sure Shaq would finally get us past them. I mean the guy did a great job guarding Duncan and then the playoffs came and Timmy decides he wants to shoot threes? That’s like devoting to a plan that would stop Channing from hitting threes and then all of a sudden he becomes a great post player!
Don't trade Dudley!
If Duncan hadn't hit that shot, I think the title was ours.
Shaq and Amare were playing like beasts in the last part of the season. Amare went on a two week run where he averaged 40+ pts a game. It was ridiculous. Fucking Duncan…I hope he fades to nothing.
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"the players and owners are squabbling over how to divide the pie that WE BAKE FOR THEM." East Bay Ray, October 31, 2011
I don't know about title because New Orleans was a tough matchup for us, but
I’m pretty sure we would have beat the Spurs. That shot decided the series.
Don't trade Dudley!
wait a minute
I believed we could have beat the 07-08 Lakers in 6 or 7 games had we not traded for Shaq.
and
we were 3-1 against them that season. I thought for sure Shaq would finally get us past them.
in the same comment…
by the way, do you remember the game that prompted the trade? The Suns lost a 3-pt lead with a minute to go against the Spurs, and everyone in the Suns organization KNEW that the Marion/Amare/Nash Suns couldn’t ever get past the Spurs in a series. That’s why the trade happened.
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Yes, I remember that game.
I’m not sure what you’re question is?
As you can see, I believe we still could have taken the Lakers with Marion, but not the Spurs. That’s one of the reasons why the Shaq trade was made. It wasn’t to matchup with the Lakers like the guy said above, but to get rid of a whiny player and matchup with the Spurs.
Don't trade Dudley!
While they are at it
How about how the Lakers got Pau Gasol in the first fucking place! That trade was utter BS.
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If we could do this retroactively and we get Garnett :)
He is a freal but we would likely have a SHIP
Fan of the TEAM not a player.
by Suns Fan For Life on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 PM MST up reply actions
"basketball reason"
maybe David Stern realized the Lakers gave up too much for Chris Paul? Should have been just Odom and World Peace for Paul???? HA!
I think if the Lakers add Bynum
To the trade and take out Pau or Odom, the NBA let’s the trade go through fine, because theoretically, it takes the Lakers out of the Howard race which is why this whole trade is being blocked in the first place IMO.
because theoretically, it takes the Lakers out of the Howard race which is why this whole trade is being blocked in the first place IMO.
Think that’s the nail on the head right there.
Which means the deal will probably die when LA figures out it’s a bad one if Howard’s not joining Paul.
borderline adequate
The Lakers don't even really need Chris Paul.
If they acquire Dwight Howard while still keeping Kobe and Gasol, they’re golden.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
Shhhhh
Don’t tell them this!
Howard on the Lakers is scary… SCARY I TELL YOU!!
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Now that I know the league can stop any Howard to the Lakers deal
I can sleep a little bit more peacefully.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
by NashMV3 on Dec 8, 2011 8:46 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
You think magic was really about to pull the trigger on a deal where they trade Bynum for Howard? Wow, WTF would the FO of Magic be thinking?!?
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not exactly. Howard is a little bit better player than Rashard Lewis.
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Beat me too it
Was going to ask how he could even compare the trades. Howard is a player you build a team around. He’s a classy guy and I still honestly think in his heart he wants to stay in Orlando and win a championship the old way.
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and trading away VINCE CARTER! that was dumb
Channing Frye would NEVER catch flying french fries with his left hand!
Lakers seemed to think so. Then again they got Pau for peanuts, so why not Howard?
borderline adequate
Hmmm...
So all we need to do is make Vince Carter wear 12-inch platform shoes and we should be able to trade him for Dwight Howard! We’ll even throw in a bag of soggy Skittles.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
throw in a bag of soggy Skittles.
you mean peaches right?
happy turkey day
by 2NASHTY on Dec 8, 2011 9:02 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
The same thing he was thinking when he
made the exact same deal for Shaq
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I wouldn't be surprised
They signed Lewis and Arenas to awful contracts. They refused to sign Hedo to an awful contract, but Ironically took him back for one year of J-Rich and in the process gave us Gortat.
Don't trade Dudley!
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by modernage13 on Dec 8, 2011 9:04 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
They can have Peaches too to balance it out.
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I Don't Know...
Might get snuffed out due to NBA reasons!
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damn, i kinda wish this went through
let them take cp3… then their team would consist of paul, kobe, and bynum, and thats it. if bynum gets hurt again as he always does, they are bad. I dont think paul and kobe would mesh well together anyways.. they both need the ball
That's what I thought as well...
Let LA trade away their most talented big men in phase one of their plan, then block the Howard for Bynum trade instead.
by 7footer on Dec 8, 2011 10:08 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Who cares about Chris Paul? WE GOT SHANNON BROWN
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you'll enjoy the dunks
but he doesn’t really bring much to the table, well at least he didn’t here. Maybe a change of scenery will do him some good.
Looks like Telfair is already use to Channing Frye
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by Suns R Us on Dec 8, 2011 9:26 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone think Pau Gasol is worth Dragic, Martin, Scola and a 1st round pick?
I feel like HOU would have gotten hosed in that deal. They would be giving up way too much for Gasol at this stage in his career and with the team as it is currently constructed.
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yes
he’s a franchise center and a legit 7 footer who can play inside and outside.
He took the freaking Grizzlies to the playoffs 3 straight years. 2nd best player on that team… Shane Battier.
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In PHX.
Eslewhere…
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Well they were going to get Nene
So they would have
C – Nene
PF – Gasol
SF – TWill??
SG – Lee
PG – Lowry
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That ain't too shabby.
A Gasol and Nene frontline would be pretty awesome.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
OK, I did not know about Nene.
That makes it worth it. Initially it looked like HOU was trading their 2 best players plus their first round pick for an aging Gasol, with a team that was only good enough for a lower playoff seed. But Nene changes things.
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That team was stacked with quality rotation players. Trading a few of them to get a stud is exactly what they should do. I just did not think Gasol was the right guy when i first thought about it.
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They will pair Deandre Jordan and Gasol
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Definitely. That was my first thought too, what in the hell is Houston thinking? I didn’t even hear about the pick. Then I read they want to make the trade to clear cap room for Nene. Gasol, Nene and Lowry isn’t bad. I am still surprised they want to get rid of K-Mart, but I guess they like Lee.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 8, 2011 9:33 PM MST up reply actions
OMG, lol. I am reading the Lakers fans’ comments over at Silver Screen and Roll and it is hilarious! They are all pissed! I don’t know if I’ve ever enjoyed reading something more before! And then there is this comment, which is pretty hilarious:
“You have to love the irony in the league finally actually doing something rigged, and it goes against the Lakers”
Hahahaha!
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 PM MST reply actions
The Troll Wars we had with BEdge in the 2010 playoffs were also pretty hilarious.
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
The best part is that douchebag Dexter Fishmore's pissy little headline
by hcblankscreen on Dec 8, 2011 9:49 PM MST up reply actions
yea, pretty good. Haha. This is golden. If I don’t have a great Suns team to cheer for, at least I can take solace in the Lakers getting screwed over.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 8, 2011 9:50 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we should show some compassion for our Pacific Division brethren...
And give them Mickael Pietrus to assuage their disappointment.
I'm Michael Beasley's imaginary friend.
by suns68 on Dec 8, 2011 9:59 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
@ Alex
Here’s a mention of Redd I stumbled across.
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Brown...
Is that all that happen today?? No Hill??
Soo, it turns out I was right!!! Kinda disappointed now..
What the fuhrer(Stern) should do is find a buyer of the team(Hornets) first before allowing any trades to be made to avoid any conflict of interest
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LOL agreed!
keep CP3 away from them for as long as possible!
I hadn't even thought about the Lakers saving $ in that deal
This quote from Gilbert is great:
I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.)
The players being swapped seemed like an okay deal, but saving picks and money and Bynum and getting a trade exception meant the Lakers would also land Howard (or at least have the capability to add another max-level player). Although it is interesting that its the first time the league has bothered to squash a Big Three birth…
agreed completely with you and Gilbert, mc
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 9, 2011 1:01 AM MST up reply actions
I remember reading about a Suns new uniform
Are we going to see it this season?
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new uniforms?
one can only hope! our uniforms are easily the worst in the league!
likely not
I know what you’re talking about though. According to Coro, Steve Kerr and the group were working on new uni’s prior till they left. Then the new staff came, scrapped what they had done and started on their own new unis. Not much else is known.
This whole “Suns on the Rise” marketing thing Sarver just started might include new uniforms for the 2012-13 season. It’s totally speculation on my part, but it would make sense.
It would be great to come out of the 2012 summer with a contending roster and new uni’s.
However, we’d really only have like one shot with Nash being 80,000 years old and all. This is their plan and I’m not against it, but I’m also not against trading Nash and tanking for a high lottery pick either (as many of you already know). Now would be the time to do it. So, it’s either rebuild now or wait one precious year to contend. Both are risky.
Don't trade Dudley!
Regarding Grant's free agency
It’s us or the fucking Spurs. The Suns offer is 1 year compared to the Spurs’ 2 years.
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I don't understand why they don't just up it to two years with a player option?
IT’S GRANT HILL!
Plus, don’t they want to contend next year? Isn’t that their plan? Don’t we need Nash to do that? If Hill goes, Nash becomes unhappy and when Nash is unhappy, that usually means things suck! We got to experience an unhappy Nash in 08-09 and last year. It wasn’t good.
Don't trade Dudley!
This is probably Nash' last season with the Suns or they just want a lot of cap space when next summer comes.
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Like a boat without a rudder....
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That's not what I read
Their plan is to re-sign Hill, make a push for the playoffs and upgrade the roster next summer.
Don't trade Dudley!
Their plan was to sign Hill but given the fact that both Telfair and Brown deal were on a 1 year basis
They probably want to save as much cap space for the next summer that’s why they won’t give Hill another year.
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Here it is
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7316232/phoenix-suns-cut-vince-carter-lockout-ends
Friday means that Phoenix would only have to pay $4 million to Carter and likely ensure that the Suns avoid luxury-tax territory this season even after trying to complete the re-signing of Grant Hill and moves with other potential free agents.
The Suns’ plan, sources said, is to bring back Hill if possible and make a playoff run this season, then proceed to the summer of 2012 armed with salary-cap space to make major upgrades to the roster.
Sources said the Suns have yet to receive any indication from star guard Steve Nash that he wants to be dealt to a contender, which is why management clings to the hope that the two-time MVP — who is also headed for free agency in July 2012 — will retire a Sun.
Don't trade Dudley!
Howard to the Nets?
I’m all for this. The East is getting much better. Things could even reverse themselves and maybe one day we’ll find our 49-33 squad in the Finals.
Don't trade Dudley!
I hope Brook tells them that he won't sign an extension
If that happens, Dwight will be entering the summer as a UFA.
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We should get involved if that trade does go down.
By uniting the twins! We give them Robin Lopez and Pietrus for Bass and Redick. Actually, I’d even be fine with just Bass.
Don't trade Dudley!
Hopefully one day we won't be angry at New Jersey
For having a bunch of money to spend due to their owner. Either way, NJ hasn’t been a powerhouse so it is at least a little better.
So now let's debate...
Would Williams and Howard be a better combination or Paul and Howard?
Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.
If healthy, Chris Paul.
CP3 at his best is without question the best PG in the league and a top 5 player IMO.
D-Will is also a top PG and a top 10 player, but he has the edge in durability, although he missed some games last year too.
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Wohooooo, I hope it goes down to keep Howard out of the west and esp off the Lakers. Please happen! Haha they might not get Paul or Howard!
by BringBackBarkley17 on Dec 9, 2011 1:04 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Great democratic decision by Stern
I really love the USA. Living in a former communist country and looking at you guys, I just love the demonstration of pure democracy by Stern. If he doesn’t like a trade, he just cancels it. Cool stuff!
Its not a question of whether he likes it or not
But it present a certain conflict of interest because the NBA currently own the Hornets. It would look like the fuhrer is trying to both help the Lakers save off a lot of money(salaries,luxury tax) and landing them a top PG.
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Doin the Lakers a favor.
They would have been left with all backcourt and no money.
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Who cares "how it would look"?! Since when is that important?
If it goes under the rules and it doesn’t violate any law, then it works. You don’t change laws and rules by the ear when the situation doesn’t fit your interests and “public views”. That’s as wrong as it gets.
Furthermore, what gives Stern the right, as an owner, to block that? I thought the team general managers were responsible for trades.
Whatever, Lakers get Dwight and that’s that.
Ha!
Report that Knicks offered Amare for CP3 and Hornets shot that down immediately.
Six foot eleven inches of undesirable contract.
borderline adequate
by waxmonkey on Dec 9, 2011 6:54 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
Terrible idea by the Knicks
I wonder how NYC would fare with a froncourt of Turiaff and Shelden Williams… The knicks don’t need Paul if they trade him for Amare – it’s like trading pieces of the same puzzle… doesn’t make any sense for me. At least for this season.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Dec 9, 2011 7:13 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Melo for CP3 however...
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Melo should have a picture eating a pizza somewhere
He’s probably fatter this year than the last season.
I said the same thing.
Man. Sucks to be “the man” at an organization that immediately goes and buys another “the man” (Melo!!!) then tries to trade its first “the man” for a younger, better “the man.” shoulda stayed STAT, we coulda been somebody. We coulda been a contender!
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"the players and owners are squabbling over how to divide the pie that WE BAKE FOR THEM." East Bay Ray, October 31, 2011
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