Phoenix Suns Trading Deadline Open Thread: Now's The Time!
by Alex Laugan on Feb 21, 2011 7:10 AM MST
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PrintOkay boys, girls, men and women - NOW it's time to ROSTERBATE.
There's 4 days till the trade deadline. To our dismay, the Phoenix Suns' front office has remained absolutely quiet (I mean, come on, we deserve to hear everything they're working on right? amiright?). The Suns have been on a 12-6 tear with the new rotation with a +5 on PPG. Marcin Gortat and Robin Lopez are a nice C tandem, Channing Frye is playing well at PF, Grant Hill is a BAMF and Steve Nash is Steve Nash. The Suns don't want to upset chemistry with any trade.
But there is one guy the Suns would be completely open to move for talent: Vince Carter. They are overloaded at the wing, so they can afford to offload Vince for something good. They would only trade him for nice young/usable talent though - otherwise, he's $14 million worth of expiring deal in an uncertain summer.
(Writers note: Vince Carter is NOT a "get out of jail free" card. If he's on the roster on July 1/beginning of next CBA then he gets all 18 mil guaranteed. So he's simply $14 million worth of expiring contract this season.)
Otherwise, the Suns would likely only pick up someone with their remaining TPE ($5.7 mil) in exchange for Orlando's #1 pick.
Let's analyze some possible deals. If you don't like these, go ahead and post some REALISTIC trades instead (ie. all teams getting what they want).
And feel free to talk about why you picked which deal. Comments are the lifeblood of this blog.
You all know how I love hate Boris Diaw. He's lazy, doesn't like to bang and passes out of open high-percentage shots. Yet, the Suns' second team could use some of what he brings - post-defense, passing, and post-up offense conversions.
He's obviously not the end-all/beat-all, but he generally plays well for his new team for the first season (Suns '06, Bobcats '09) before he starts coasting. After this season, he only has 1 year left - same as Nash.
And, most of all, there would be very little transition period for him. Nash and Hill know exactly what he brings to the table, and Diaw knows more about the offense/defense schemes than anyone other than Nash/Hill/Gentry. There would be very little transition period here.
For the Bobcats part, they are wanting to rid themselves of Diaw and would love to shed some long-term contracts. The Bobcats have the same cap number as the Suns ($65 million) and they're only 24-32 in a weak East. The new coach, Paul Silas, has mentioned recently that Diaw is not his type of player. He wants bangers at PF and passes up too many open shots.
Otherwise, I'm not real sure what the Suns would do this week. They cannot afford to gut the team again if they want to make the playoffs, and there's NO WAY the Suns are gutting the team for the lottery. NO WAY. It's the 6-8 seed or bust. We all know it.
So have at it.
The realistic, logical rules are simple:
1) Suns cannot trade anyone on the roster in 2009-2010 season (Nash, Dragic, Hill, Dudley, Lopez, Frye)
2) Suns cannot ruin chemistry by acquiring anything more than a backup PF. They are shooting for the playoffs, and any big rotation change would cost games.
3) No new long-term contracts, unless the player's talent is likely to exceed that contract.
[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/21/11 12:44 PM MST ]
A couple of other Suns trade-related links:
The Phoenix Suns Don't Owe Steve Nash A Trade - SB Nation Arizona (Scott Howard)
Lately, people have begun to suggest that the Phoenix Suns should trade Steve Nash because they owe it to him. That couldn't be further from the truth.
NBA Trade Deadline For Phoenix Suns Focuses On Childress And Pietrus - SB Nation Arizona (Seth Pollack)
This is why Pietrus gets my vote for Most Likely To Be Traded Sun, but I would only put the odds at about 30 percent.
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I voted for Diaw and Jackson. Jackson is a decent scorer and nice defender. I know he is older, but this is a stop gap trade any way right?
I do like the trade that brings TT, mostly because it gets rid of Carter and Warrick. Both players are lazy and need to go.
" Dick Bavetta and Moses parted the Red Sea together". ----Charles Barkley
How about carter to charlotte and charlottes give memphis gerald wallace, we get o.j. mayo and hasheem thabeet and matt carrol from charlotte the prices work out and everything.
wouldn't it be better just to keep gerald wallace
given that both mayo and thabeet suck?
Trade won't get us anywhere...
In the short run at least.
Probably the team would dip until they figure out new rotations and chemistry and miss the playoffs.
I also don’t like any trade involving Boris Diaw because he is more of a jump shooter than a solid post up PF.
But we ain’t getting a PF for either Carter nor Warrick…
So if at all, I propose something else:
1. trade Carter for Redd – the best jump shooter in the game not called Ray Allen. I know his knees are iffy, but we will at least get rid of carters contract and maybe the suns doctors can take care of Redd. If healthy – he could be the 6th man we need.
2. O.J. Mayo + Arthur for Chilldress – Mayo is in the Twilight Zone in Memphis and Arthur possibly could sweeten ther deal. Chilly is a good player but he ain’t got shit on Mayo. Also – we are overloaded on sf/sg. so its better to have a young stud ready to take Grant’s spot when needed.
3. Warrick for Maxiell – we don’t need another shooter – we need a solid bad ass rebounder and a guy that can hustle. Maxiell is a bit more expensive but he is the real deal.
What do you guys think?
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Feb 21, 2011 8:16 AM MST reply actions
The Bucks aren't trading Redd this year because his knees are insured so they are gladly accepting that insurance money.
He’s a free agent to be anyways, I’d rather sign him next year for the cheap. It’s a win for both parties, we get one of the better shooters in NBA history and Michael Redd gets to work with the best training staff in the NBA.
Last year's Phoenix Suns team was like the show "Deadwood." A great thing that ended way too early.
I wish redd wasn’t constantly injured, he’s really fun to watch.
"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH
Also, you have got to be kidding about the OJ Mayo for Childress trade...
He may be in the “twilight” zone in Memphis but that doesn’t mean they are trading him for nothing, especially for a contract the length of Childress. Mayo has a lot of talent…Memphis knows that and the whole league knows that, they aren’t trading him for anything less than some young talent and a first rounder.
Last year's Phoenix Suns team was like the show "Deadwood." A great thing that ended way too early.
Calling Michael Redd's knees "iffy"
Is like saying Len Bias is “questionable” for the Celtics next game.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 10:27 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Point remains.
Thanks for the clarification. Good thing you only need 1 to play.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
Dejuan blair basically has no knees, amar'e is essentially playing on one healthy knee, dont be like that scott
Let Josh Childress play
Blair actually has no ACLs. Dude is a medical freak.
As for Amar’e – he’s theoretically got healthy knees right now question is how long that lasts.
Redd is a 31 year old guard who nearly had a Shaun Livingston style knee murder. And two ACL surgeries in 1 year. But whatevs…we’re way off base from my Len Bias joke at this point.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
That joke is dead anyway.
"Steve Nash..... Best point guard in the league!!! He is a general of this army!!!"
~Marcin Gortat
by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 10:48 AM MST up reply actions
Shazam.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
Im not saying he will ever be the same guy, I'm just saying he had it at one point and his stroke is still pure;
I think if he is willing to shed his ego he would make a really good backup SG. Iivingston is still playing and although he isnt nearly as quick anymore, he is still a serviceable backup
Let Josh Childress play
Where did I disagree with that?
Again….Len Bias joke. You’re wrestling with shadows Bkj!
(I actually like Redd)
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
I like maxiell
but why would detroit trade for worse player? what is the deal with contracts and years left on maxiell?
also I expected much more from him… it could be that detroit bad moves and overall atmosphere is not helping but still, he should produce more on a bad team…
as i have said
Much like shaq I think unloading vince would be addition by subtraction,I wouldnt even care if we got bball value in return.Maybee vc can still ball it just aint gonna be here.I hope
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I think its really hard to make trade suggestions without knowing the front office's thinking
is sarver:
1) willing to take on extra payroll and take the risk of wasting money to capitalise on the last 2-3 years of Nash? If its this scenario you could look at us aiming for guys like iguodala, brand, hamilton, or stephen jackson. All overpaid guys who’d probably improve the team, but don’t have all that long left to perform at a high level (with the exception of iggy), and if they don’t fit (ala shaq) then they’d be hard-to-impossible to move.
2) willing to take on a horrible contract to get young, cheap talent. IE how about taking rashard lewis to get McGee and Young from Washington?
3) not willing to the above, looking for low risk, low reward deals that won’t mess up future cap space but also won’t be catapulting us into contention.
4) Looking at all? Or is he just letting the Nash era play out knowing he’ll have to rebuild when its over, but knowing that its currently successful enough to sell tickets.
the lewis thing was just an extreme example
i want no part of lewis or his contract.
Thank god you said that.
Because when I saw the suggestion that we take on Rashard Lewis’ contract I nearly spit out my drink.
Unless Blake Griffin is the prize I’m not touching that deal.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 9:35 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I am divided.
I have liked Tyrus Thomas for a while and we really need a PF that can bang and brings young talent. Plus he isn’t a dbag like other PFs that we might get. However, I understand that if he doesn’t work out that he is untradeable with that contract. That would be rough. But then, we thought Hedo was untradeable too…
I also like the idea of getting Jackson. Sure he is old and his shot is a little off lately but the dude is solid. If we want to replace JRich’s output, he is the guy to do it. This team would instantly become a playoff threat with him. Imagine Carter putting up 15-18 a game. Thats what we would get if we traded for Jackson. Plus it is a well known fact that Jackson is an energy guy. He gets teams going with his play. SA got great use from him, GS got great use from him, and Charlotte got great use from him. There is no reason (besides contract) that he shouldn’t be in a Suns uniform. Plus we would get Diaw who is not great but good enough as a backup PF or even a starter to push Frye to the 2nd team.
Or we could stand pat and pick up a FA in the summer.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
I've been saying for a while we should acquire Murphy or Landry...
However, I’d prefer Landry because he is a better defender and is much more athletic than Murphy.
Landry would be the perfect pick and roll partner for Steve Nash. Also, with how weak The Kings are at the 2 and 3 we could trade them Pietrus (Whose contract is more appealing than Childress) and a first rounder for Landry. So, we get a guy who scores 18 points a game last year, we unload one of our wings and we get to release the one known as J-Chill.
However, getting Diaw would be a nice boost for Dragic. He’s already rusty enough so with Diaw we could have him run the 2nd team offense and have Dragic do what he does best which is score.
Getting Troy Murphy is going to be hard since The Nets are still in limbo with Denver over Melo. However, if Melo is traded to New Jersey than everyone is saying that Denver will try to find a trade parter to unload Murphy too.
Last year's Phoenix Suns team was like the show "Deadwood." A great thing that ended way too early.
Landry is ok, but I don’t think he is the answer for the Suns. Regarding Diaw being a boost for Dragic, wasn’t Hedo supposed to do the same thing? That didn’t pan out…
I like the Carter for Murphy swap more than Diaw or Landry, since we aren’t stuck with anyone for long. Murphy is pretty much Channing Frye 2.0. He can knock down 3’s and is a below average defender (although Frye is improving), except Troy can rebound at a much higher rate, which is what we need out of our PF slot if we are starting Lopez at C.
Vince Carter likes cheese.
Buyout
Ya he is supposed to be bought out if he isn’t traded. And I’m sure he’d rather sign with Orlando since they are a more legit title contender and he can fire away 3s all day and not worry about defense.
Vince Carter likes cheese.
I voted for Murphy for much the same reasons...
But if he has the choice of phoenix or orlando, he will pick orlando. I saw Murphy when he was with Golden State and sporadically since. Not particularly impressed, but better than nothing.
Orlando isn't as interested in him was they were due to the play of Ryan Anderson.
Last year's Phoenix Suns team was like the show "Deadwood." A great thing that ended way too early.
Both Landry and Diaw are only on one year contracts
And are you really comparing Hedo to Diaw? Diaw already proved that he can succeed here.
Also, no…Hedo wasn’t not brought here to do that. In fact, we barely ever had the offense flow through him which was the main problem in why he didn’t succeed here. We basically limited Hedo to being a long range shooter.
Last year's Phoenix Suns team was like the show "Deadwood." A great thing that ended way too early.
Diaw has a 9M player option
I would think though he would decline so he could get a multiyear contract 5-6M per.
"You need to get real!"
There is no way that Phila is trading Iggy...
Plus, would he even really work out that well here? He is at his best when is the facilitator of the offense. He has below average off the ball skills, he would kill our spacing on offense with his horrible shooting. All he’s good at on offense is driving to the hoop.
Last year's Phoenix Suns team was like the show "Deadwood." A great thing that ended way too early.
S-Jax
Would be more easily attainable, and provide us with better shooting (not great, but better). Both are capable passers and are great and racking up steals in bunches, which is more than I can say for Carter. Captain Jack has some attitude problems and is a little bit older, but he’d be a better fit than Carter and Iggy.
Vince Carter likes cheese.
I 2nd this
Cap’n Jack would fit here exceptionally well… for the first season anyway. =-)
Trade Warrick!!!
Captain Jack really hasn't had a attitude problem since Indiana
He’s still loved in GS.
Plus, this team belongs to Steve Nash and Grant Hill and everyone knows that. Stephen Jackson would come here and fall in line with the rest of the team.
Last year's Phoenix Suns team was like the show "Deadwood." A great thing that ended way too early.
Bad cap numbers
Remember: we want space after next year.
Picks?
I dont think I want to see the suns trade away anymore first round picks for now.
Just because something hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't happen.
Why? This years draft class totally blows. It's seriously one of the worst rated draft classes in the past 20 years.
Last year's Phoenix Suns team was like the show "Deadwood." A great thing that ended way too early.
That means absolutely nothing. No one knows how these guys are going to pan out. When Kwame Brown gets picked first and Dejuan Blair slides into the second round while Wes Matthews isn’t even drafted, it shows the teams have no freaking clue what is going on. We shouldn’t trade more picks in any draft.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 21, 2011 11:47 AM MST up reply actions
good point
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by Alex Laugan on Feb 21, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
I have no problem keeping a first round pick, but Orlando's isn't that useful.
A pick in the high twenties in one of the worst draft classes in recent history….I’ll pass. Id’ rather get a proven guy like Carl Landry instead.
Last year's Phoenix Suns team was like the show "Deadwood." A great thing that ended way too early.
I'd rather keep the picks too
Having later first round pick(s) in this years draft is good since it is a weak draft, won’t have to pay as much for similar talent. Especially if we can land someone like Jimmer in the late teens or 20’s. Would be worth hanging onto, unless a trade can land us a difference maker.
Vince Carter likes cheese.
Stand pat
we’ve got a decent chance at the playoffs and what we don’t need right now is any more upheaval.
I just think our current players (especially the second unit) need to go at it with more urgency and determination.
by suns68 on Feb 21, 2011 9:32 AM MST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
This.
"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth."
~John F. Kennedy
by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 11:47 AM MST up reply actions
Except I'm surprised that you didn't work in something about how Siler needs a bigger role.
"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth."
~John F. Kennedy
by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
I'll bet siler would like a bigger roll
with some cream cheese and some jelly….MMMMMMM!
"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH
carter
we should trade carter for ANY equivalent exiring contract (or usable body with 1 yr at most) AND incoming picks. We’re talking future assets here.
Besdies we got Chilly, pietrus, dudley to play SG now.
Oh dear.. Trade Deadlines and rumors give me so much anxiety!
From that poll, I would probably say the trade that seems the best to me is for Carl Landry. But I must admit, I am still learning about the NBA and some of this stuff doesn’t always make a ton of sense to me (cap space and trade exceptions and what not).
With Stephen Jackson, doesn’t he sort of have a bad attitude? He seems sort of crazy to me..
I know the team needs something more to keep them moving forward, but it’d hard to see another trade happen, at least for me (but that doesn’t matter, lol).
I guess it does make sense though that with Diaw there would be less of a transition period…
Hmm…
Can’t we just trade Vince Carter straight up for Blake Griffin? Seems fair to me…
:)
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 21, 2011 9:58 AM MST reply actions
Its actually very exciting for me, but the trade deadline has been extremely quiet since 2008,
Let Josh Childress play
It's not just you. Stephen Jackson is crazy.
He has a criminal background and participated in the infamous Pacers-Pistons brawl where players went into the stands to fight fans. He is a talented, tough player, but he’s the loosest of loose cannons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Jackson#Reputation
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~Marcin Gortat
by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 10:47 AM MST up reply actions
So why would we want him?
I value good team chemistry over an instant playoff berth any day.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 21, 2011 10:48 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Last season, Larry brown did a fantastic job disciplining him and Jackson bought into it and started to play better D.
Its a matter of his motivation over anything.
Let Josh Childress play
I see.
Is this actually a trade being discussed between the two teams or is it just us?
There’s only 3 days to go until the trade deadline. I’d just be very surprised if this happened.
Honestly, though, I’d be surprised by any trade..
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 21, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions
I agree, but then again, Jackson was drafted by the suns and if he played like he did last season he could help the team
but again there is very little chance of this happening
Let Josh Childress play
Depends on the type of company
If it’s a company that burns down buildings and relies on the bipolar nature of its employees then almost certainly.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
So basically
he’s the perfect chairman for the coalition to light vince carter on fire?
He's our COO
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RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
Doesnt jackson have tattoos of two flaming guns on his chest?
I have a vague memory of somebasketball players having that
Let Josh Childress play
You know.
I’ve tried to be very careful in not wishing for Vince to die. I suppose when I imagine him “on fire” I think of it kind of like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylzU00yunzY
You know, where he’s fine in the next scene…except you know…not on the Suns anymore.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 11:10 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
REC'D for the amazing reference.
That made my morning.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 21, 2011 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
I think this is my favorite Stephen Jackson story.
On October 6, 2006, there were police reports that Jackson and three other Pacers players were involved in an argument with several patrons at Club Rio, a strip club in Indianapolis. Jackson was punched by one of the patrons and was hit by a car, rolling onto the hood. His injuries were considered minor. Jackson says he fired several gunshots from a 9-mm pistol as an act of self-defense. However, prosecutors later said he fired first. Jackson was charged October 11, 2006 with a felony count of criminal recklessness. He served a seven game suspension at the beginning of the 2007–08 NBA season as a Warrior for his legal problems.
Getting into a gunfight outside a strip club? Oh yeah, that’s always the sign of an upstanding citizen.
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~Marcin Gortat
by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
Oh like we all haven't been there.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
A buddy of mine had quite an argument with a stripper over money once.
He thought she was just “hanging out” with him while she saw it that she was on the clock the whole time. She asked him for a bunch of money and he pretty much told her to F off. Then she followed him around the club hounding him for the money. Bouncer had to come and mediate. I think he ended up paying her half what she said he owed. But no shots were fired!
"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth."
~John F. Kennedy
by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
your buddy
also believed she was in college, right? working toward a law degree?
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by Alex Laugan on Feb 21, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
Dude she really liked him
He could tell.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah, of course.
She was a fascinating conversationalist!
"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth."
~John F. Kennedy
by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 1:06 PM MST up reply actions
Hey!! My friend really did put herself thru medical school by dancing..
It’s not always a made up story..
I think you'll find that I'm universally recognized as a mature and responsible adult.
by Aztiramtempe on Feb 21, 2011 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
phone #?
"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH
by 2NASHTY on Feb 21, 2011 4:33 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...
Don’t want him on our team…
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 21, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
If it were you or I
we would have gone to jail for awhile. Amazing how that guy didnt get into more trouble
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 21, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
wasn't there a one armed man involved in that story as well?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Ummm, notice the day? It says 2006.
People can change.
Last year's Phoenix Suns team was like the show "Deadwood." A great thing that ended way too early.
And now the Bobcats want to get rid of him.
He whined his way off the Warriors before that, after he signed a big contract with them. There’s a reason he’s played for 6 teams in his NBA career.
"Steve Nash..... Best point guard in the league!!! He is a general of this army!!!"
~Marcin Gortat
by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
I didnt disregard that, but the man is talented when he is motivated, thats all I was saying anyway.
At this point in his career he is either looking for a collossul contract or for a playoff team
Let Josh Childress play
Yeah but can't you just see Gentry light a fire under Jackson's ass by saying...
“Come on guuuuuyyyyyyyysssss” in his sorta stoner, monotone voice? Or would that be Scott actually truly lighting a fire under Vince Carter’s ass? I’m not too sure…
He's been a model citizen since leaving Indiana in 2006.
We have The Canadian and BAMF here to keep everyone in line.
Last year's Phoenix Suns team was like the show "Deadwood." A great thing that ended way too early.
"Model citizen" is a bit of a stretch.
Jackson signed a three-year, $28 million contract extension with the Warriors last year, but demanded a trade in September, saying he no longer wanted to be part of the franchise’s rebuilding plans. The Warriors, who suspended Jackson for two preseason games after he cursed coach Don Nelson in a sideline altercation, were committed to parting ways with Jackson by the end of the month. Two Warriors players told Yahoo! Sports last week that Jackson’s unresolved status had become too much of a distraction and that the team would not be able to make any significant improvement until he was traded.
November, 2009.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-jacksontrade111609
"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth."
~John F. Kennedy
by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 10:15 PM MST up reply actions
guess it's fair to say
our medical team can fix broken legs i.e. REDD
but not broken minds i.e. JACKSON
by hear_seeker on Feb 22, 2011 12:27 AM MST up reply actions
i think Troy Murphy might be a decent acquisition
he’d give us another guy big that can space the floor like channing (considering Murphy can still knock down shots) and this would make it easier for Nash and Dragic as we could virtually have a big man to space the floor for the entire game if we spread out Frye and Murphy’s minutes. and i kinda hate VC.
i wouldnt mind the TPE and #1 pick for Landry either though. but i kinda really really want to get rid of VC. so yeah.
i think Troy Murphy might be a decent acquisition.
he’d give us another guy big that can space the floor like channing (considering Murphy can still knock down shots) and this would make it easier for Nash and Dragic as we could virtually have a big man to space the floor for the entire game if we spread out Frye and Murphy’s minutes. and i kinda hate VC.
i wouldnt mind the TPE and #1 pick for Landry either though. but i kinda really really want to get rid of VC. so yeah.
PLEASE STOP THE BORIS DIAW MADNESS
There is absolutely no circumstance that I would want Doris back on this team, regardless of his expiring deal.
by coachj14 on Feb 21, 2011 10:46 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
why not?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Mike D's lovechild has peaked
His best basketball is behind him. Inconsistent, bad work ethic, epitome of a player who tailed off when he got his first big contract.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 21, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
but that's really not true when you actually look at the statistics
I think his rep is undeserved
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I judge a player more on what I see them do and how they do it
Fantasy is called fantasy for a reason.
Also showing up to training camp out of shape is inexcusable.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 21, 2011 5:13 PM MST up reply actions
Well, that's the debate between "the eye test" and the whole moneyball movement
subjective opinion vs objective stats
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
There always needs to be a balance
I just think the Suns got Doris’ best season and that is all that needs to be said.
If you want to talk what Boris is worth on the 2012 free agent market then you will need consider multiple factors.
Also moneyball doesn’t win rings. Isn’t that what it is all about? No fan should ever care what an owner’s bottom line is.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 21, 2011 5:27 PM MST up reply actions
Well, "moneyball" was a bad term
I should have said sabermetrics or the entire advanced stats revolution. Collective wisdom vs new analytics, stuff like that.
I do agree with you that we got Boris’s best season.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Indeed you can't discount advanced statistics
They seem more appropriate for baseball and football though. Mostly because there are more players and more variables.
With basketball I find that certain systems are just more conducive to certain strengths.
+/- and PER are fine and all, but they are incomplete
As the game evolves and rules change so should scouting. For instance they didn’t even used to count assist or blocks. There should be a different category for a block that gains possession and one that doesn’t.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 21, 2011 6:36 PM MST up reply actions
You want a statistic
Boris Diaw was signed to a 5 year 45 Million dollar deal by Bryan Colangelo. His value was such that at the very first opportunity to find a sucker, they traded him to a team where he had every opportunity to help them improve and win [because that is what you would expect from a young “talent” that you invest 45 million into – and remember, that salary slot equates to about a 11-12 per year slot today, but not next year]. He has done nothing with Charlotte except piss everyone off for doing exactly what he does, show great promise for a few games, then suck it up like a 12th man for 10 games.
If we could get Boris here for 2-3 M per year, he might be worth it, because I don’t expect a player who makes that little to produce every night. But at 9 mil, even for one year, you might as well blow the money in vegas, because that would be way more fun than watching Boris.
Ask Charlotte fans if they'd trade Boris strictly for a salary dump
If they would, then your opinion is vindicated.
If not, then he’s clearly worth more than you think.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Minor point of clarification
The Diaw contract was a MIke D special. You know, when he and David Griffin were playing GM. Oh woe is the Suns for losing David Griffin!
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 11:42 PM MST up reply actions
You are correct
O’Anotni signed Diaw, Barbosa and Banks. Maybe that was a sign?
I might get banned for saying this
but what was so great about Griffin? He was Mike’s right-hand man during that period (signing Banks, Diaw and Barbosa to big deals). He was Kerr’s right-hand man that was more bad than good, and now he’s Cleveland’s right-hand man. Why isn’t Cleveland being discussed as the place to dump salaries with the price being young talent (like Minny?)? Cleveland made out the very worst of all big-name FA losers last summer, by a WIDE margin.
I just asking.
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inconsistent I'll give you
lethargic, too.
but I wouldn’t say his play “tailed off”
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
How about leveled off?
He certainly hasn’t gotten any better since 2006.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 4:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
true, I'd say the only thing he's improved is that he's a legitimate 3 point threat now
For me, it just comes down to the fact that I’d rather watch Boris Diaw do nothing than watch Vince Carter do nothing.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
but the Vince Carter mistake will be over in 2 1/2 months
getting stuck with Boris for another season? Please no.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 21, 2011 5:11 PM MST up reply actions
and then we will have 2 draft picks and some cap space
and we’ll probably draft some no-talent who is destined to be on our bench and sign a low risk player who will never make a difference (Warrick)
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Glass is half empty today huh?
2 first rounders and a ton of cap space sounds nice to me. Especially with a potential new CBA that is going to limit teams with less cap space.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 21, 2011 5:17 PM MST up reply actions
It's a very weak draft and FA class though.
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Perhaps...
But don’t forget that VC is still a summertime trade chip for the desperate. Trade deadline is not really when the desperate make a move. Pietrus too.
Draft does look disappointing though.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 21, 2011 5:30 PM MST up reply actions
No he's not
His option has to be picked up like, right away, if I’m correct
Want epic? Go to Bright Side of the Sun threads. We're more Homer than homer.
July 1st i think
the lockout will screw everything up though
Normally teams would have their eye on that, but with a lockout? Who knows? Could be a flurry of moves or absolutely nothing.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 21, 2011 6:40 PM MST up reply actions
At least we'll be better financially going forward
since we’re still unsure what’ll happen with the new CBA and a possible lockout.
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His numbers have stayed steady despite playing in a different system and he's only 28 years old.
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Great call coach
Now I don’t have to type it.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 21, 2011 3:55 PM MST up reply actions
If we could trade VC for either Landry or Murphy straight up...
Then I’d do it. Either if them would instantly improve our team. However, I do NOT want to trade a 1st round pick for a player we can acquire in free agency. We can release VC after the season, and clear $14 mil off the books…with that, we can pursue players like Murphy, Landry, Dalembert, or even an intriguing young up and commer like Josh McRoberts; all of whom will be unrestricted free agents after this season.
By doing this, we also keep both first round picks and give Babby/Blanks a shot at improving our team through the draft…Something we haven’t done for a few years.
I think this is the best scenario for now, unless we have a shot at someone like Jason Thompson who we could only acquire via trade. As for trading either Chilldress or Oietrus, I also wouldn’t do it unless it addresses an immediate need like the scenario above. Chill and MP could be more valuable to this team next season and beyond once Half-Man-Half-Fire-Hazard is gone and Hill either retires or starts scaling back his minutes. I really don’t want to see these guys go.
So barring some last minute awesome proposal that we haven’t heard of, I’d rather stand pat until the off-season and keep the guys we currently have.
by 7footer on Feb 21, 2011 10:53 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Word. Exactly! And love your new nickname for Vince, lol
by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 21, 2011 11:51 AM MST up reply actions
I have a question regarding the bucks and redd. Could the bucks have filed for injury insurance or whatevert he hell the rockets did with yao to save money and dump his contract?
Let Josh Childress play
Someone said the Bucks insured his contract.
So they’re getting that money back. He’s a big expiring contract to them. They already have a crapton of average-to-good players on the team, so they don’t need another one. Why not let him sit there on the bench?
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Yes, his contract is insured that's why they have no intention of trading him.
The more he sits on the bench, the more money the Bucks make.
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Really, Alex?
A thread that encourages rosterbation? Well, if you’re sure… gimme some time. This is gonna be a big one.
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just this once
the deadline is 3 days away
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by Alex Laugan on Feb 21, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
Heres how I see our palyers/contracts in terms of assets or not.
Steve Nash- ++++ ( great contract, great player)
Grant Hill – + ( see; nash)
Dudley- + (great contract)
Robin Lopez + ( small contract, young, potential)
Dragic + (same as robin although position not as demanded)
Gortat- + ( good player, I see his stock rising)
Vince Carter 0 ( large expiring but there’s lots of expirings this year and he has 4 mill next)
Pietrus- 1 ( good player but overpaid, with a player option that will hell pick up) -1 ( hate to say it but he’s overpaid, other teams still view him as soft)
Fry
Warrick – 2 ( meh. at lest only 3 years left)
Childress – 3 ( bad contract, has not shown anything yet, 5 years left!)
Ps. I still have hope for childress. Hes a hard worker who had a high PER in the past. If giving enough playing time to acclimate and get comfortable he will show us something.
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Feb 21, 2011 11:29 AM MST reply actions
Actually, you should have lined through your whole statement about Frye
Because he’s neither soft nor overpaid.
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by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
And calling Chilly's contract bad is just... I don't even wanna say it.
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really?
6.5 milliion this year. 5 years left? Other teams still not sure he can adjust back to the NBA. Right now he’s in no way an an asset.
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Feb 21, 2011 1:27 PM MST up reply actions
I agree with you there.
We can blame it on his bad finger, or the logjam at wing, but the bottom line is that he’s producing nothing for us right now.
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by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 1:31 PM MST up reply actions
Not being able to hit a jump shot will do that.
Which I’m sure is apparent in practice, hence no PT.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 21, 2011 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah...
It has absolutely nothing to do with the logjam at the wing position and that we already have a guy who can do all the things Chilly can do but a lot better in the man whose initials are GBH.
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If you are a small forward in the NBA you have to hit a jumper
Especially on the Suns. Can’t just rebound and get putback layups like Chilly. Did I mention free throws too? How does one go from 80% to 56%?
The job was his to lose and he lost it.
I still think the Suns should keep him though. Maybe the finger injury just screwed his mechanics. Not every player recovers the same.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 21, 2011 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
He is shooting 52% from the field for his career.
And 35% from three.
But I guess you’ve been to Suns practices and have seen differently?
Yea just looking at the facts
He’s got that much money and that many years and he can’t get off the bench. Maybe he’ll fix it next season but as of right now it looks like a shit deal.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
Same.
I don’t like selling super low. If he sucks again next year we can sell super low then.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
haha
I dont think hes soft at all. Hes been great this year. I just think other GMs and players think he is. Therefor i dont think hes a very good trade asset.
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Feb 21, 2011 1:22 PM MST up reply actions
frye is making 6 mil a year…that’s not bad. especially since he’s a core member
by billyjohnson on Feb 21, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
The Channing Frye contract was bad at first but he has proven it's a wise investment.
Not just by his play but his work ethic. He’s become an above average defender, he’s developed some post offense, he’s learned to shoot the ball while moving, and his rebounding is vastly improving.
Six million a year for a big man who can shoot the three, shoot from the line, defend the post, block shots, and has one of the best work ethics in the league sounds pretty damn good to me compared to some other contracts around the league.
Last year's Phoenix Suns team was like the show "Deadwood." A great thing that ended way too early.
Being unable to rosterbate efficiently this morning, I had no choice but to consider Alex's options.
The one that satisfies me most is the Landry deal. Seeing Vince Carter leave may be on a lot of people’s minds, but I’m not to fond of acquiring Diaw, Jackson, or anyone else on that Bobcat team save for Gerald Wallace. Landry may be 6’8 but he competes and he’s an excellent rebounder for his size.
Trading Vince straight up for Murphy isn’t possible due to salaries, so we’d end up having to take 1 more player that’s around the 6-7 mill range to balance it out. The Nets only have Vujacic (vomit) or Outlaw around that range of salary, and I doubt the Nets would want to give up one other guy just to acquire half man, half dead amazing.
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agreed. Landry is the only one of those I would consider.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 21, 2011 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
no he's not
he’s actually a terrible rebounder for his size.
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by Alex Laugan on Feb 21, 2011 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
Alright, he's not a great rebounder
but he competes and has a pretty good inside game. As a backup, he’d be a better option than Hakim.
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He always rebounds well against the Suns
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Who doesn't?
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by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 10:19 PM MST up reply actions
The Warriors?
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Truth.
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by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 10:20 PM MST up reply actions
he's kind of a crap rebounder
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 21, 2011 11:50 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
Good stuff, aj.
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need a power forward who can blocks shots
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6a8lgcr
Suns include first round pick.
"You need to get real!"
very nice work sir.
"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH
looks great!
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by Alex Laugan on Feb 21, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
sweet!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Alright, I got my legs under me.
I was actually hoping for more a trade like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6hzm9cg
Toss in Orlando’s first round draft pick and maybe a bit of cash?
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why would the Bobcats do that?
they aren’t getting rid of any of their bad contracts. They are giving away their best player and 2 other big players in their rotation for Vince Carter and Hakim Warrick. Thats very unrealistic and especially so when they are trying to make the playoffs.
The Bobcats won’t trade Wallace unless they can get at least one bad contract off the books. Plus he doesn’t fill a need with all the small forwards on the roster
"You need to get real!"
We have no idea what teams would do.
We had no idea Memphis would trade Pau Gasol to the Lakers for Marc and Kwame. It’s just a suggestion.
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Thomas is a bad contract – 5 more yrs, 40 million
but I do agree Charlotte is giving up too much here
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SERGE
If we could swindle Serge Ibaka from OKC for Robin Lopez, I’d be all for it. OKC gets a little bigger, and can play a Center not named Nenad Krstic. We get a PF who can play defense and jump out of the building (or just from the free throw line). Serge is only 21 and brings energy and size. With Gortat playing well on a longer contract, Lopez is more dispensable. Don’t think OKC would get rid of Ibaka, but I can rosterbate all I want.
Vince Carter likes cheese.
I think Ibaka, Durant, and Westbrook are all off the market for OKC.
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So does that mean Jeff Green is definitely out?
Because they just locked Nick Collison down for the next 5 years. Seems like Durant and Westbrook are pretty close with Green, and wouldn’t want to see him go. Just hoping Ibaka slips through the cracks to us.
Vince Carter likes cheese.
Seems like they realize they can't keep everyone
And if someone needs to go, it’s Green
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
before everyone gets all excited
the guy is so bad at rebounding that Hedo Turkoglu salivates
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Truth.
I don’t want Jeff Green. Just sayin he’s the guy OKC would likely cut loose
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
I always seem to forget Green's there.
Talk about overshadowed.
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very interesting idea
but Serge is already really good and as much as they need a center, he’s part of the team’s core. Jeff Green is kind of like the weak link of the core. He is very inconsistent, doesn’t rebound or defend. He’s kind of like what Rashard Lewis was for Orlando, but doesn’t work the mismatches or isn’t as good a defender. OKC also doesn’t have Dwight Howard to make up for his lack of rebounding and size.
OKC likely can add a center in the offseason most likely Samuel Dalembert to give them a rebounding and defensive presence to compete with the tough West front lines.
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if i were the suns GM
i’d trade carter to the warrios for:
Monta ellis + brandon wright. and that would still leave plenty of assets for other trade possibilities.
yeah cuz
Ellis and Nash are a great backcourt and Brandon Wright is the 6th or 7th best big on the tiny Warriors
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Best defensive backcourt ever.
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if I was the warriors GM I would laugh at hang up the phone
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 21, 2011 3:16 PM MST up reply actions
And hope that offense gained is more than defense lost
Nash + Ellis backcourt is pretty terrible defensively, but would put on quite a show offensively. Intriguing but highly doubtful
Vince Carter likes cheese.
Ellis prefers to handle the ball
The Warriors let him do his thing – kinda like Kobe. I don’t think that’s a good fit with Nash. I remember seeing some advanced stats that indicated that the Warriors do better with Steph Curry alone or Ellis alone and that the combo of them together doesn’t work.
However, we don’t need to worry – the Warriors wouldn’t trade their best player for Vince Carter…
We've finally found a rotation that works. Let's not mess with it now.
Continuity is our best hope for making the playoffs. If we trade a non-core guy like Pietrus, Childress or Warrick for a pick, to upgrade at backup PF or as a contract dump, that’s fine. But no more major upheaval please! And yes, this means I want to keep VC for the rest of the season too. Hate him all you want, but he can be a contributor for a playoff run.
"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth."
~John F. Kennedy
That's what I'm thinking
We’re three games away from the #8 spot. I really don’t want to mess things up and ruin our chances.
Besides, Vince Carter still has it in him to play good. He could be extremely valuable to a Playoff run, like you said.
Assuming he plays with 100% effort
but that’s pretty much a coin toss every game…
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We're really not that good.
If we can find a deal that helps us for the future* then I couldn’t care less if the chemistry from this .500 basketball team is a bit messed up. If the Suns make the playoffs it’s going to be more based off of the Melo-less Nuggets and messy Jazz than them ripping off a 23-5 finish.
- - that doesn’t involve Steve Nash
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 1:44 PM MST up reply actions
None of the trades mentioned here help us for the future, IMO.
Carl Landry? Meh. I think Suns fans overrate him because he plays well against us. Psycho Stephen Jackson or softer than a down comforter Boris Diaw? Hell no!
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by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 1:50 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed.
Just saying if there WAS such a trade then I’d be down for it.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 1:52 PM MST up reply actions
BTW, Scott
Did you know the revolt in Tunisia, which started the unrest in Egypt, Libya, etc. was started by a disgruntled produce vendor setting himself on fire in the middle of the street in protest? I thought you’d appreciate that.
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by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
well
you could say that Tyrus Thomas has upside – though he’s already being paid for it.
Other than that, the trades would simply improve this year and/or next year
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Agreed
We’re actually playing quite a bit better. Strangely enough, in a relatively short time we have become respectable on D – and we don’t often get badly out-rebounded any more. We’re digging our way out of deep hole from a bad stretch early in the season. Don’t monkey with the roster now.
Interesting piece
Found THIS link over at SI.com. Breaks down each teams trade outlook. While not entirely accurate, it is semi-helpful.
Snagging Nene would be niiiiice.
Vince Carter likes cheese.
He can play PF
If we give up Lopez for him, then we can use him both ways. PF for better defense, C for better offense.
Vince Carter likes cheese.
Trading VC for Landry is the only one I’d do and I do believe it helps us in the future because we get rid of VC and Josh Childress finally gets an opportunity. In other words think of it as trading VC for Landry and Chill(even though we already have Chill).
I like Carl Landry because he’s a good scorer and can put up points in the paint. He may be a bad rebounder, but he’d be coming off the bench pushing Warrick into the doghouse. Carl would be a decent go to guy for our team king of like Diaw in 06. Plus, I think it also increases our chances of making the playoffs.
Don't trade Dudley!
Some people are just like slinkys, they're good for nothing
yet can still manage to put a smile on your face
when pushing them down a flight of stairs.
Can't
Salaries don’t match. Vince makes way too much for a straight up swap. Besides, Landry isn’t the answer.
Vince Carter likes cheese.
this
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Salaries don't need to match in this case.
The Kings are way under the cap. The Landry/VC swap alone will put them $1.1mil over, but if the Kings add a million in salary of throw-ins the salaries can work.
For example:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4n5c9sj
Note: I just picked two people randomly from the Kings roster.
No I hate Landry.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
why in the world
would Sac take on another 13 mil in salary just to get rid of landry.
Folks, please remember something this week: just because a team CAN do something under the cap doesn’t mean they SHOULD or WILL
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I didn't say they would.
But it’s an expiring + 4 million (and likely not 4 million if no basketball next year), which wouldn’t much change their current financial position going into the next CBA.
So why not?
well, because they’d be paying the prorated portion of 14 million dollars more this year than if they did nothing at all. ?? I must be missing something here
(response to your suggestion that Sac could take Vince’s 17 mil in trade for Landry’s 3 mil because they are under the cap)
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Yeah, it would cost them more money this year, sure. And the owner probably cares about that even as the fans and GM might not.
And it wouldn’t really help (only about $1m) them be in a better position for the next CBA, either.
But it wouldn’t hurt.
So it comes down to whether they have any interest in resigning Landry, whether they think they can or want to resign VC, and whether they’d prefer one or the other for the remainder of this year.
I can see Sac looking over this offer, shrugging their shoulders and saying “Eh. Can we get a draft pick or something?”
Of course, just because I suggested it doesn’t mean I think it will happen. Never say never though. Who would have though that the Suns SHOULD and WOULD have traded Shawn Marion for an injured and past prime Shaq?
Don't trade Dudley!
Some people are just like slinkys, they're good for nothing
yet can still manage to put a smile on your face
when pushing them down a flight of stairs.
Additionally:
For those that make the valid point that a large expiring contract may be worth keeping for the Suns, a trade such as this one with a team under the cap gives us both new players and salary relief.
In this case, we’d drop 13+ million in salary, giving us approx $5+ million in cap space next season (depending on lots of factors).
I'd love Thomas or Jackson here.
But their contracts absolutely suck, and after sacrificing Rich to gain some financial freedom by dumping Hedo’s money, I don’t think I want to go down that road unless it really makes us a threat to win this year. I don’t know if Stephen Jackson does that.
I don’t see why Charlotte trades Thomas. He’s playing really well for them. If he comes here though, he could be the closest thing we’ve had to Marion since Trix himself.
I’m still down for Diaw, Landry or Murphy.
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I'm actually warming up to the Jackson idea
Even though it would put us in salary cap hell.
He’s a nutcase but he’s tough. Not afraid to take the big shot(or any shot, which is part of the problem). Plays decent defense, handles the ball well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfQeegUFi1w
Nash/Dragic
Jackson/Pietrus
Hill/Dudley
Diaw/Frye
Lopez/Gortat
Solid starting 5, solid bench. I can see Frye starting ahead of Diaw, but I’m not sure which would help the bench more; Diaw’s ability to create would open up Goran’s game, but his familiarity and increased production with Frye is documented. I favor Frye/Dudley/Dragic playing as many minutes as possible together so that we can try to recreate some of last year’s bench magic.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
And then I realized Jackson was 33
Damn. This would be a “win now or you fracked” move like Orlando pulled.
I don’t know anymore, lol.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
but I’m not sure which would help the bench more; Diaw’s ability to create would open up Goran’s game
it should be noted that the Suns’ lack of production from any unit not led by Nash dates back to 2005. Diaw was almost always on the court with Barbosa in those years when Nash rested, and the bench production was even worse back then.
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Okay
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I mean that as "noted"
not a douchey “FINE THEN!”
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
lol - cool
looking back, its kinda wild that D’Antoni’s Suns were SO bad without Nash.
For years there, he was playing Diaw, Barbosa and 3 other starters for a champ-caliber team when Nash sat. How did they not outscore the other team?
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everybody were different players then...
Barbosa was overall less efficient as a scorer and not a facilitator (ever really), Amare still had very little game w/o Nash, and Bell/Matrix/KT/E house, were terrible at creating there own shot..
Plus there was no, and I mean NO effective energy from the second PG position.
And Boris didn’t play with Amare in 06, and never really learned to create a lot for Amare, so that the only other serious play maker we had, aside from Nash, wasn’t really enough to create that much offence.
A lot changed between 06 and last year when we finally had many more ways to score the ball without Nash. Which is why I continue to feel quite aside from letting go of Amare, blowing up the bench that for the first time, was actually not a major negative and actually outplayed the starters often, was the real tragedy of the off season.
I do think that part of Goran's problem though has been the lack of another player who can create their own shot playing with him
IMO, Barbosa helped Goran out quite a bit. I just wonder if Boris could possibly do the same for Goran.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
that's possible
and certainly sounds probable. but wouldn’t the same have been true of Barbosa/Diaw together? I don’t know how to reconcile the old days of bad second-unit scoring vs. today.
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That is quite a curiosity, I agree
It’s a testament to our starting 5 that we achieved what we did with crap bench support
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
And how incredible Nash was
playing over 35 minutes per game to carry our team through the regular season AND the playoffs. Those weren’t on young legs either.
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but that's what floors me
is that D’Antoni only ever played 7-8 guys. Their second unit got pummelled even in 2007 when there was always some 5-man combo of Amare/Boris/KT/Marion/Bell/Nash/Barbosa on the court, plus a rare sighting from a Piatkowski.
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True...his "7 Starters" thing was kind of insane.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I commented on this above, so forgive the redundancy...
But in that group, only Barbosa was really strong at creating his own shot, and even that skill developed in Barbosa better after the 07 season. At that time, Amare had almost no ability to create his own shot (remember that almost half a season where he seemed to get like 3 or 4 charges per game). Only Diaw was a more well rounded offensive player and then he was so “pass first” that he was hardly a go to guy.
What was unique about last year was that Dragic, (and it seemed like having barbosa beside him was key) was able to create his own shot (he was also shooting the ball a lot better) and he had 3 “2nd unit only” shooters to pass to, who were all having great years shooting the 3 ball (along with Dragic that actually made 4 great 3 point shooters). Plus they were getting a ton of garbage points on putbacks from Lou and Dudley, which we had never gotten before, from 2nd unit guys ( I guess Matrix got some as well), and there was actually a little PnR chemistry, between the 2nd unit PG and Lou.
So there were a lot of unique things that came together last year, that were never present on the bench of previous Nash led squads.
I don't want Stephen Jackson, I want Diaw and TT.
We already have a rotation problem with an overload of wings, why add another? We’re weakest at PF so fix that position, or acquire Stephen Jackson and trade away Pietrus or Chilly and trade for a big or pick.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Can we even trade for an injured player?
Thomas is out til mid-March, if not longer.
Vince Carter likes cheese.
That's only a problem in video games ;-)
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i am militantly against any trade that involves giving up draft picks or acquring boris diaw
Diaw is like the crappy boyfriend/girlfriend that you dumped and are now considering getting back together with just because you have a few good, nostalgic memories. That NEVER ends well.
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
I guess the thing I'm struggling with is why everyone thinks our first relationship was crappy.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Because our girlfriend let herself go
Stopped going to the gym, stopped putting on makeup, didn’t really have that sexual energy anymore.
It just wasn’t working out.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 3:29 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
lol even though I disagree, rec'd
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Diaw would make a good occasional booty call, though.
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~John F. Kennedy
by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
Got a big ol' booty now.
Courtesy of your local Costco’s croissants.
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Boris got back.
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by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 3:43 PM MST up reply actions
I think the kids call it a badonkadonk, Ray.
Get wit it.
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Yeah, I know.
The same kids who listen to that darn hippity hoppity music.
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by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 5:41 PM MST up reply actions
Darn Kids..
Got no respect for anything these days…
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Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 21, 2011 6:54 PM MST up reply actions
we got respect for the OGs...
Want epic? Go to Bright Side of the Sun threads. We're more Homer than homer.
I know its seems like he faded out
But his last playoffs with us were pretty similar to his first, using advanced stats
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01.html
He dropped off a bit(didn’t do much in 06/07, rebounded in 07/08), but it wasn’t much of a regression. Looks like his opportunities dropped, which makes sense given how Amare was in his preferred niche.
Given how well he played in Charlotte for 1.5 yrs, and he did play well(dropping off a bit this half of a season), I think if the pattern holds we’ll get a really good 1.5 years out of him, and then he’ll expire.
In my mind, Boris always produced relative to how involved he was in the offense. If you marginalized him, he faded away completely. If you went to him, he helped out. Remember the Spurs 08 series where Mike was like “Boris, wake up.” and he did this:
Game 4: 20 pts, 10 rbs, 8 asts, 2 blks (shut down Tony Parker as well)
Game 5: 22 pts, 8 rbs, 8 asts, 2 stls, 1 blk
I dunno…I always thought he was far more good than bad, and if we feature him like we did in 05/06 and the 08 playoffs, we’ll get some good production out of him.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I like him too
wish he was a bit more…motivated…but I have always loved that skill set.
He’s a guy who should be a featured player if he only wanted to be. But he doesn’t and paying him $9m next yr would be painful.
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 21, 2011 3:46 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
very true
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
though it would make Nash's last year
a little more fun, right? Wouldn’t he enjoy getting Boris back?
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I'm sure Steve would enjoy having Raja, Leandro, Boris, and Amar'e back.
But alas, it could never be.
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Raja and Boris could be.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Frankly I don't want to see that team
I am over Leandro. Raja is decrepit, Boris makes me want to start liking baseball [YIKES], and Amare is now the MAN in NY [oops, guess not anymore].
I would rather see KJ, Chambers, Hornacek, Majerle and West !!!!!!
I'll take Walter Davis before Raja at this point
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 11:46 PM MST up reply actions
I saw him not too long ago and he can still stroke it
unfortunately he can still snort it too.
I’ll take Hubert too.
Man. He's still got the coke problem?
That’s really unfortunate.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 22, 2011 12:02 AM MST up reply actions
Nash
would not like Barbosa back here or be in a team with him. Pretty sure mostly everyone knows why by now.
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by modernage13 on Feb 22, 2011 12:22 AM MST up reply actions
really fake rumors
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Supposedly
The son he just had is really Barbosa’s but I’m not gonna go any further with that since his private life is none of our business.
Twitter: @FredLegittt
If you realize it's "none of our business"
Why the hell would you repeat this rumor here?
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by East Bay Ray on Feb 22, 2011 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
it makes no sense
wouldn’t Nash be pissed at Barbosa then? They tweet each other in a friendly manner.
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I will trade carter for nothing
I will be very happy. and my happiness can’t buy by dollars
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by sun_equalizer on Feb 21, 2011 3:34 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
With the news that NJ might trade a first rounder for Gallinari if NYK trades him to Denver
What would you guys think about trading our 1st for him?
I know we have a billion wings, but he has Tremendous Upside Potential, as Hubie would say.
Really though, I think he can be a borderline all-star if he plays to his ceiling.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Hell, I think the Knicks would trade Fields for a 1st rounder.
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Oh I don't think so
He’s the one guy they’ve continued to keep off the table in the Melo talks.
Crazy how Fields turned out. I remember in our draft thread we were all like “noooooooo” when Gambo said that we liked Fields, and then e-fiving each other when the Knicks took him before us. Such a solid player.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I really liked him...
Still do! Can’t say I’m surprised by how well he turned out to be…ok, maybe a little…but I had no doubt he would be a solid contributor if not an eventual starter. The Knicks killed me with that pick. Very talented player that will continue to get better!
At least we have two firsts in this draft…We could end up with some really nice talent if we do our homework.
by 7footer on Feb 21, 2011 4:08 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
if you actually honestly thought that about Landry Fields, AND haven’t felt the same way about multitude other guys who didn’t end up panning out as well as you thought, then you should be a scout.
Most scouts thought Fields was overdrafted where he went.
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Well, until this year, Earl Clark was my worst pet cat.
I was extremely high on Earl Clark and Ty Lawson in the first round; I was ecstatic we actually ended up drafting one of my guys!
It looks like I was dead-on with Lawson, and until he went to Orlando, looked like I struck out with Clark…But maybe that will change.
Last year, I really wanted Landry Fields and Scottie Reynolds with our 48th and 60th picks, respectively. Looks like I hit a home run on Fields, and still think Reynolds will eventually prove to be a very good point guard when, not if, he makes it to the NBA. Jury still out on that one though.
So yeah, I think I would do pretty well as a scout…(pats own back) :-)
by 7footer on Feb 21, 2011 6:02 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
NJ will have a lottery pick
that is probably why the Knicks would consider that.
The suns might have a slim % lottery pick plus Orlando’s non-lottery pick. The Suns would trade either one in an instant for Danilo.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 21, 2011 5:07 PM MST up reply actions
Toronto
Can we get Reggie Evans somehow? Before his freak injury, he was a BEAST. Maybe do something like Pietrus/Childress + 2nd for Evans?
Montero, Mora
Miranda, Gutierrez
Gonna arrest ‘em?
whoa. back off the crack pipe.
The Suns’ only remaining problem is late-game scoring and Reggie Evans NEVER scores. I’m not sure where this is coming from. Plus, he’s only 6’5" and is the dirtiest player in the NBA. Plus, he’s floated from team to team, and can’t stay healthy.
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6'8
it would be pretty ridiculous to be a 6’5 forward.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
I see that
he is listed at 6’8" but I swear I’ve heard several announcers comment that he’s much shorter.
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Vince Carter for Jamal Crawford*, Mo Evans, Etan Thomas
My first trade machine. No bad contracts, low risk for both teams. Atlanta isn’t resigning Crawford anyways. VC gets the glam of Atlanta and 1/2 court East Coast style he can actually manage with less minutes and less pressure. Hawks sell more tickets. Crawdaddy goes off in his contract year with a green light to shoot 3’s for the Suns. Suns need a shooter right now and VC aint delivering. Suns send rookies to D-league to make space on roster.
- - slight bias given that Crawford is stinking up my fantasy team and I think this would boost his stats
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 21, 2011 5:02 PM MST reply actions
works in the trade machine
but there’s some serious problems here.
1) Atlanta is still convinced it can contend. They won’t give up 3 players for VC
2) Crawford is not a winner, and has regressed lately
3) Mo Evans is not good enough to play before our other remaining wings
4) you just traded 1 wing player for 2, even worsening the wing situation
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Mo and Etan are toss ins
Can’t have too many Centers. Etan is borderline NBA player. Mo is known for his defense. The Suns are a defensive team now right? Who cares if they play, they are just expiring contracts.
1) Don’t underestimate bad management in Atlanta
2) Crawford has been on shizer teams; His play will go up with Suns style; At this point Crawford>VC
3) Mo Evans is a toss in to balance the contracts
4) Sarver the salesmen will have a special promo that if Suns play 5 wings or more everybody in attendance gets 50% on Native New Yorker wings, Win-win
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 21, 2011 5:44 PM MST up reply actions
OT
just noticed your new picture for the site. pretty cool.
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I believe it's ajcarelton
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This is my first time rosterbating so please be gentle
Suns send Robin Lopez and Vince Carter to the Cavs for Antawn Jamison and Anderson Varejao. The Cavs get to clear even more cap space for there rebuilding process and get a young centre in Lopez. The Suns get a versitile forward in Jamison who is only on the books for one more after this season and Varejao can start or come of the bench the folllowing year after he has recovered from his injury.
No, Antawn will help out more than Carter. Gortat can start at the 5, Frye can back him up. Antawn at the 4, Hill at 3, Pietrus at 2 and Nash at the 1. That will give Childress some playing time too.
by Sunderstruck on Feb 21, 2011 5:45 PM MST up reply actions
I like that trade
Are you sure that this is your first time rosterbating?
Trade fills holes at the 4 and 5 and need for inside scoring and rebounding in Jamison. Varajeau is one of the best defensive bigs in the league, definitely the best pick and roll defender.
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Thanks
I know a lot of people are not high and Antawn but i don’t know why? He’s always been a solid player who can rebound post up or spread the floor.
by Sunderstruck on Feb 21, 2011 5:50 PM MST up reply actions
Yes his teams have sucked but not his game. Golden state has been a mess for almost 20 years and Gilbert health and love for guns made the last couple of years in Washington a nightmare. No one complained about him when he was 6th man of the year in Dallas the only great team he has played on. As for why the Cavs are so bad, i’ll let you figure that one out. I just think he would fit in really well in Phoenix and would give us more than what Carter is giving us at the moment.
by Sunderstruck on Feb 22, 2011 12:34 AM MST up reply actions
Jamison would be all right, certainly better than Carter. I wouldn’t love paying his contract for next season but if they gave us Varejao and all we had to give up was Carter, I’d strongly consider it.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 21, 2011 6:31 PM MST up reply actions
I didn’t want to inclued Lopez but i’m not sure they would do it straight up for Carter.
by Sunderstruck on Feb 21, 2011 6:55 PM MST up reply actions
Oh no. I prayed this day would never come…
Where people openly and honestly talk about rosterbation. Back in the day such talk would bring about a whupping.
Times have changed. You young whippersnappers have corrupted everything!
None of this would have happened if Lou Amundson had still been around.
I’m no young whipper snapper just a sick, twisted, old man lol.
by Sunderstruck on Feb 21, 2011 6:15 PM MST up reply actions
The man who started all this nonsense happens to be pretty old himself.
Go figure. Curse you Alex!
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Deal gets rid of J-Chilldress
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4kps779
Suns might be able to demand a second round pick in addition.
Why do the Grizzlies do it? Memphis is fighting for that 8th seed in a very competitive Western conference. Their best player and starting sf Rudy Gay is out for 1-2 months more. If they don’t get someone to step in and start in his place, they have no chance of making the playoffs. If they don’t make the playoffs, Z-BO and Marc Gasol will very likely leave and they will suck. Josh Chilldress is no all star, but he is a capable player when given minutes and at least gives them a chance. They are trading away 2 players who mean literally nothing to them.
Why do the Suns do this? Josh Chilldress is an alright player, but he has no role on this team. He’s being paid almost 7 million annualy for 5 years. That way too much for him, especially given how little he plays. The Suns acquire 2 crappy players in return. At least 1 of them expires after this season and the other will next season. They get a get out of jail card.
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Looks like NYK got Melo
And got fleeced in the process. Chandler, Gallo, Randolph, Felton, Mozgov, and a 1st rounder.
Wow. WOW.
Why the hell did Denver get that kind of package for Carmelo effing Anthony and we couldn’t even get JJ Hickson?
What the frack?
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Yah Denver also traded their play off spot to the suns as part of the deal!
by Migonads on Feb 21, 2011 8:29 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
maybe not
all those players seem alot more valuable to me than one overrated superstar
then you should LOVE the Suns
since the Suns are totally deep and totally full of non-stars
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stars are important
i just happen to think melo is way overated. a balenced attack with a couple stars (maybe on called steve nash) and some good role players just seems like it should be way better than that guy jacking up shots
I dunno.
Felton+Nene+Smith+Chandler+Gallo+Martin+Lawson
that’s a really solid squad
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Is it?
How much better is that squad than the 2009-2010 Knicks?
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 8:39 PM MST up reply actions
I don't even know who was on last year's Knicks team
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I think the deal sets up Denver really nicely for the future
under the cap, lots of high-quality youth, some draft picks…can’t really ask for more.
I’m glad we got a TPE for Amare in the end
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They got a strong haul.
But like the Suns they don’t have anybody who is even the 2nd best player on a contender. At least in my humble opinion
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 8:51 PM MST up reply actions
And frankly I'm stretching to figure out who could be a 3rd best guy even
Gallo? Maybe if he keeps developing
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 8:52 PM MST up reply actions
they're apparently
not thrilled with Gallo.
In the next few days, they’re probably trading Randolph, Gallo and Mosgov away for first round picks from bad teams (not a bad plan, really, if you’re okay with a 5-yr plan).
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Randolph and Curry are going to Minny I read
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yes
and probably Mosgov and Gallinari to the Nets for 2 of their #1s they’d offered for Anthony.
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Twitter's saying that NYK is trading Randolph/Curry directly to Minny in a separate deal if I'm reading this correctly
they’re not going via Denver
I wonder what for.
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not bad
brewer’s a nice piece
randolph wasn’t doing anything
Is Kahn running a reclamation project there in Minny? I don’t know why he’d do this.
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I think he was smitten for Randolph
Look forward to that learning disabled fella trying his hand at the triangle.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 9:24 PM MST up reply actions
Brewer's not really that nice of a piece.
And apparently Kahn and/or Rambis love Randolph. This was being discussed for a while now.
Kahn is an idiot.
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And I mean that in as far as
this is better than Thursday’s alternative of losing Melo to free agency.
I’m surprised that in the end it appears that NYK blinked first.
I believe this is a great move for NYK
Especiallz getting a great point guard to play with Amare and Melo. If they get the chemistry right – they are almost as good as Miami.
Melo – King Crab
Amare – Bosh
Billups + Fields + Walker – Wade + crap players nobody wants…
With D’Antoni’s 7-8 man rotation this team will be very strong if they stay healthy.
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by Piotr Szczesniak on Feb 22, 2011 7:39 AM MST up reply actions
Why is Amare Bosh? He's a lot better than Bosh.
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amen
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steve nash
wouldnt be the second best player on a contender?
For the future.
Should have clarified
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 8:54 PM MST up reply actions
After reading a lot about this trade
I’ve come to the conclusion Denver came out pretty good actually. Besides Al Harrington, they don’t have any bad contracts and he actually serves a role on that team. They become a much better defensive squad and are much younger and better prepared for the future. Gerorge Karl is one of the best coaches in the league and is sure to get the most out of his players. Denver did pretty well. They got below the cap, will have even more space when Kenyon Martin and JR Smith come off the books. They gained depth in spots they were weak, SF and C. They will have to work to score their points, but they have a lot of guys capable of getting 15-20 pts a night.
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now Denver is a lottery team without a star though.
At least the Suns still have a season or two of Nash left. What does Denver have?
As Scott says, they’re basically the Knicks of 09-10. Now Denver has to go out and get a new 1-2 superstars.
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Well, some say that keeping Nash is cannibalizing our future.
He’s not really the traditional “star” that you can rebuild with by conventional wisdom.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad he’s here. I just think that hovering in the 8-10 spot every year without getting a new alpha is not the right strategy.
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I guess my question.
Is what is Denver’s plan for a new alpha? Get a bunch of draft picks and hope that pays off? They landed Carmelo Anthony and that got them 7+ years and 6 first round playoff exits.
Crap to the shoot.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 9:01 PM MST up reply actions
don't even waste time
on the new Denver lineup. They’re not done moving players.
the Knicks now
Billups/Douglas
Fields/?
Anthony/Balkman
Amare/?
Shelden Williams/Rony Turiaf
Does that get past Miami/Boston? or even Altanta or Orlando?
I don’t think so
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I don't think so either
Knicks tread water and lose all their youth in the process.
Stupid.
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I think they've moved from 6th in the East
To 6th in the East. Epic.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 8:52 PM MST up reply actions
first round exit to first round exit.
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if billups
can be a top level pg again. i kinda doubt that though
Anything lead you to believe he's going to rediscover his old form?
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 9:03 PM MST up reply actions
he's not having a bad season right now IIRC
something like 17 and 5?
I don’t want to look it up. meh.
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Hmm that could go either way
Chauncey could thrive and gain a lot of assists or lose some playing with ball dominant and shot happy Melo and STAT.
I think most likely he’ll lose some. He was playing with I think it was the highest scoring offense in the entire NBA and still didn’t get many assists.
He’ll be like D-Fish 3 years ago 2.0
"You need to get real!"
maybe
their offense was more isolation based though i think, it seems like it would be easier to get more assists running the pick n roll with amare
There offense was definitely more isolation based,
and Billups was one of the reasons for that. The guy is shoot first all the way.
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don't like Melo, don't love the trade for NY, but...
I think they did it, so that they get the 3rd guy, DeronW or Chris Paul eventually..
With Melo and Billups they can cover a lot of the pieces they lost, and with the added veteran leadership they can probably stay where they are for this year, with the hope that further down the line they have a chance for another big piece…
It feels like they did lose a lot of their 3 point shooting however and that could actually make them worse this year.
Also, willl be interesting to see the meshing of Carmelo/Amare with Mike D. Neither are pass first guys, and Chauncey is the king of walking it up, and not playing with pace…gonna be interesting.
Wow.
So you really think NYK with Amare + Melo and an experienced PG is losing to Hawks/Magic in the playoffs?
Maybe they lose to Boston/Miami in the conference semis but if they put up a fight – that means it was worth it and NYK is relevant again.
With that team they are contenders next year, especially when Boston finally realizes they are 120 years old.
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by Piotr Szczesniak on Feb 22, 2011 7:47 AM MST up reply actions
I absoluletly think
that the Magic and Hawks are likely to beat NY in the playoffs, even with those 2. Who stops the other team from scoring at least as many points?
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Yeah only team i see the knicks beating in the first round is Atlanta
if they play orlando then Amar’e has to guard dwight howard with no backup bigs to act as foul sponges, its possible they could beat atlanta but i’d still give the edge to the hawks. And the Bulls/Celtics/heat are just too good for the knicks to pose much of a challenge.
Eh....
Amare always fared well against Howard. Look at the matchup stats. Howard never did particularly great. Always quiet – even if he did get his numbers. Amare can handle Howard.
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Magic are volatile...
They seem to have addd even more 3pt shooters and rely inside solely on Howard.
As I see it Bulls will also have a problem against NYC. Their offense with Noah is not quite the elite of the league and I can’t see anyone there stopping Melo.
And if the Knicks get out of the first round… anything can happen. Remember the Lockout NYK going to the finals? That team wasn’t even half as good…
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by Piotr Szczesniak on Feb 22, 2011 2:40 PM MST up reply actions
the cast around him here opened up a lot of space for him to move
If he doesn’t get that space against Howard, I think he will struggle offensively and get silly frustration fouls.
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The Knicks as currently constructed are very good
with their ability to draw a boatload of fouls. Think… Amare… Melo… Billups… all of these guys live on contact, and actually TRY to have contact.
I somehow doubt D’Antoni knows what to do with them, though.
Trade Warrick!!!
I prefer Melo to land in NYK
I think the Nets has a lot to offer. In the end it is still up to Melo.
by SunsFan@TheOffice on Feb 21, 2011 8:36 PM MST up reply actions
I wanted him to go to the Nets
So Denver can have a crappier team to increase our chances for the playoffs.
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our first for either chandler or gallo would be glorious and most noble
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Why do wee want another C?
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Just heard the Melo to Knicks is official
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yah
good for the suns. hopefully
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by sun_equalizer on Feb 21, 2011 8:44 PM MST up reply actions
I thought Amare wanted to be the number 1 guy on his team
part of the reason he left the Suns, now Carmelo is the “King of NY”.
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They can be co-Kings
You know since they take 40 shots a game together. Good luck touching the rock Landry Fields
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 8:54 PM MST up reply actions
Billups will find him
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Do people realize Chauncey averages less than 6 assists a game?
And has only cleared 8 per game once in his entire career? John Stockton he is not.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 8:58 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed
Also Melo and Amare’s games are ball dominant. Mike Dantoni runs his offense with spacing and having 2 ball hogs isn’t gonna fit. It will change the team definitely
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Mike D is not going to survive this
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 9:06 PM MST up reply actions
Truth.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 9:08 PM MST up reply actions
This isn't hard to make work
You just run the simplest offense that exists – spread all five guys out and run isos over and over for Amare, Melo, and Billups. The other guys are basically just shooters/cutters. Given how often all 3 of those guys get to the line, it should be an exceptional offense. Denver was leading the league in scoring with it last week.
Of course, it’s D’Antoni, so he can’t be counted on to change for anything.
Trade Warrick!!!
What up with the Warrick trade
He at least plays with heart…
´´As long we have Nash, we are playoff contender´´
Warrick's horrible
as a PF. His defense is atrocious, his offense is sporadic, and requires playing certain players to accomodate his strengths. His only real strength is getting to the FT line.
Trade Warrick!!!
I think that's over-stating it a bit.
it is true that he is undersized and can therefore be taken advantage of at times, but to call him horrible isn’t really fair. There are times that he’s been very good for us, including on defense and the boards. But he’s inconsistent and undersozed like I said, making him a bench player.
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Agreed, you have to wonder about that...
Mike D with 2 of the biggest ball stoppers in the NBA + one of the most likely to want to walk it up and play with zero pace, PG’s currently in the NBA…Hmmm?
Maybe this was pushed by Isiah, additionally, as a way of displacing Mike D, down the road, who now becomes completely redundant, so that Isiah can do what he always wanted and step in as coach again?
that will be an interesting dynamic
two scorers around nothing else, both like the ball a lot. D’Antoni is not going to love this offense.
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Billups is not primarily a creator/facilitator. His assists come on feeding shooters coming of screens, or cutters beating their guy to the back door. Smart passes, to be sure, but these are all things that are created more by the screener and/or cutter than by Billups.
Trade Warrick!!!
Sorry, but this is where emotional female DiM kicks in and rational basketball fan DiM leaves the building.
I feel so sad for Chauncey Billups. :‘(
He wanted to retire in Denver! And now he’s being dragged to the Knicks because of Carmelo to play with Amar’e.
Stupid New York.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 21, 2011 9:07 PM MST up reply actions
lol he'll demand a buyout thereby screwing the knicks even more than we thought
It’s inevitable.
And then he’ll probably join Miami.
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if you're going to feel bad for anyone, feel bad for Donny Walsh
it took him 2 years to rebuild the team
it took dolan/thomas 2 days to tear it apart
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Don't feel bad for Chauncey
He has a minimally guaranteed contract next season, which makes it highly probably that the Knicks will buy him out, and he’ll get to go back to Denver to finish his career. He’s only a rental this year.
This solves the Nuggets problem of not being able to buy out his contract, and have him next year. It actually paves the way for him to go back there, as crazy as that sounds.
Trade Warrick!!!
they already guaranteed him
that they would pick up his option for next year.
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Are you guys on crack?
Billups is a still a top 10 PG in this league. Maybe he is past his prime, but he is still absolutely key to NYK success in the next 2-3 seasons. If they make a play for D-Will or CP-3 – this is the only case he will be dealt somewhere else or bought out.
Seriously – name 10 PG better than Billups… Apart from Rose, Nash, Paul, D-Will, maybe Westbrook I seriously can’t. Rondo is a fluke playing with 3 great shooters, Nelson – don’t even get me started, Parker – has a huuuge hole in his game and it is called a jump-shot (same as westbrook…). Kidd is making a great job of runinng a rather complex offense in Dallas, Baron should probably get an honarable mention for the last month…
All I’m saying is that Billups is probably the most important piece in getting NYK over the hump. If he can steady the ship – Melo and Amare will kill teams iif the Knicks can stop anyone defensively. They have a chance now – not sure if they should go with MikeyD though…
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by Piotr Szczesniak on Feb 22, 2011 8:01 AM MST up reply actions
iif the Knicks can stop anyone defensively
That, and the iso offense which runs counter to DAntoni’s principles, is the reason they won’t get far in the playoffs.
And before you say Billups is the key, his shooting is terrible this season and he only averaged 6 assists on the highest scoring team in the league. The ball WILL stop on most possessions, devolving into isos.
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So?
They can probably kill any team in the East not called Miami on ISO’s.
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by Piotr Szczesniak on Feb 22, 2011 9:13 AM MST up reply actions
That is not how you win.
BOS, LAL (except for when Kobe does his thing), SAS, all the teams that have won championships recently have all been great TEAMS, on both ends of the floor. Solid team defense, good team offense. 1-on-1 basketball is not hw you win.
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Billups and Melo are good defenders.
I don’t see why they cannot play defense with this squad.
But I have a hunch Mikey D will show me how… :)
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by Piotr Szczesniak on Feb 23, 2011 1:29 AM MST up reply actions
I think you mean Mikey O
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You mean like ZERO defense?
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by Piotr Szczesniak on Feb 23, 2011 7:22 AM MST up reply actions
Rondo is made better by the people around him,
but he’s not a fluke. I stopped reading after that.
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by JesusNinja13 on Feb 22, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
Aight, bad word maybe...
But I don’t see him flourishing in any other system.
At least not until he has a decent jumper.
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by Piotr Szczesniak on Feb 22, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
I'd go with overrated.
But still a good point guard, nonetheless.
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Agreed.
Good yes, but never in contention for the “best” until he learns how to pass the ball into the basket from more than five feet.
I'll take him over Billups.
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I’d say guys like Andre Miller, Devin Harris, Raymond Felton, and quite a few others are about the same level if not better than Billups judging on wht he has done this year.
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I really wish we would go after Andre Miller
He would instantly make our 2nd team good.
Trade Warrick!!!
No way he agrees to coming off the bench.
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PGs better than Billups:
Nash, Williams, Paul, Curry, Felton, Parker, Jennings, Wall, Westbrook, Rose, Collison, Rondo, Harris…Then you could even argue that Davis and Kidd are better.
I’m not bashing Billups….He can still defend well and hit big shots, and hit the three. Besides that he’s lost a step, and he’s not much of a facilitator…Even in Mike D’s system I don’t see him averaging more than 7 assists a game.
Then again, the league has never had so many great PG’s so it’s really hard to rate them accordingly.
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Looks like the Bobcats trade is not happening
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did not mention Diaw specifically. He was concerned with the others.
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I just want someone that will make this team super epic…like last season before Amare ditched us:(
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Does New York really get THAT much better out of the Carmelo deal?
I don’t see how this makes them any sort of contender.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 21, 2011 9:11 PM MST reply actions
Yeah..
I don’t like this. But then again, I’m bitter and don’t want to see Amar’e succeed that much.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 21, 2011 9:13 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah they don't really have a bench
and they lost their starting center. NY made the trade just to secure Melo to be the second star. They’ll fix their bench in the offseason.
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Certainly not right now. I was just over on Posting and Toasting, and the majority of their fans are upset about the trade, that they gave up too much. That’s how I would be too. I really hope the next CBA has them hamstrung.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 21, 2011 10:15 PM MST up reply actions
It will if Amar’e doesn’t get hurt. Carmelo is a superstar and so is Amar’e. Having a lot of role players around one star won’t get you anywhere just like our current Suns team.
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Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Meh
NJ still sucks and its great that they have those picks, but its the worst time to have them. This looks to be a weak draft. Also they wasted a bunch of cap space on a lot of mediocre players see- Travis Outlaw Johan Petro
"You need to get real!"
True, (so far) they haven't bettered themselves
but I suspect a combination of Melo’s agent and Prokhorov were responsible for NYK giving more than they (probably) should have.
Woj is blaming... Isiah Thomas!!
No seriously, go check it out. Apparently he still has Dolan’s ear.
Trade Warrick!!!
I was half expecting Woj to blame LeBron.
Because we all know he’s somehow responsible for this.
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*Vince Carter not withstanding.
by NashMV3 on Feb 21, 2011 9:57 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
LOL.
Rec.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 21, 2011 10:02 PM MST up reply actions
LeBron did start all this ya know,
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God please allow us to have a PF before tradeline
Give away carter for any 1st round pick and expiring old player(Tim thomas)+ Play hill at SF instead of PF+ Try to hit the jackpot on Jchilly for another decent rebounder player( seriously anything would do, just get 7 rpg, oh Maxiell where are thou ?) = Suns FTW
´´As long we have Nash, we are playoff contender´´
Some where out there Lebron us happy!
Now that The “Melo saga” is over, all the sports networks can go back to worshipping him.
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Us = is..
Face palm!!!
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by Aztiramtempe on Feb 21, 2011 10:01 PM MST up reply actions
I second that!!!!
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by Aztiramtempe on Feb 21, 2011 10:04 PM MST up reply actions
And an option to delete any comments we previously wrote
in the off-chance we screw up or sound like total idiots.
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Lol. That means I can erase all my
comments.
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by Aztiramtempe on Feb 21, 2011 10:06 PM MST up reply actions
Not all.
This one is fine.
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????? Always making fun of me..
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by Aztiramtempe on Feb 21, 2011 10:20 PM MST up reply actions
You ask for it.
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B nice to your elders kid..
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by Aztiramtempe on Feb 21, 2011 10:26 PM MST up reply actions
How do I know you're my elder?
Maybe you’re really a kid pretending to be an adult? Or maybe I’m really like 50 years old? You have no clue, and neither do I. Therefore, I do NOT have to be nice to my elders, because I don’t know who my elders are. :-p
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My facebook page says am 103 years old..
Unless ur older then that I’m rigth. Anyhow good night.
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by Aztiramtempe on Feb 21, 2011 10:45 PM MST up reply actions
YES.
I go back and re-read and edit all of my posts, and yet somehow, I always come across some stupid grammatical error or some seriously stupid point that I tried to make in the heat of the moment.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 21, 2011 10:13 PM MST up reply actions
I think LeBron is about the unhappiest man on Earth
NYK just threw up a big roadblock to Miami’s march to the title.
New York is going to be one tough out.
Agreed
New York might push them to 5 games instead of 4. Rough times for Miami.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
lol exactly.
Wade+LeBron>Amar’e+Melo. Bosh>anyone else on the Knicks. MIA might even have more depth at the moment. Plus they’ve been playing together all year.
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Well at least they'll get some variety.
Wade and LeBron bring the same skills to the table. Melo and Amar’e have their own variety of skills.
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Eh, not too much.
Amar’e has the added bonus of the P&R, but other than that they are kind of similar. Both face up and go hard at the basket. Melo is a bit more of a jumpshooter, but Amar’e is pretty good there as well. Both need the ball to do their own thing.
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Well Melo provides range.
He’s a 3 point threat, and Amar’e is a potent inside threat. LeBron and Wade are both potent scorers that rely more on their speed and athleticism. They can do a lot but neither have talents that can “compliment” one another. Neither can really be considered legitimate 3 point threats.
But you have to watch out for Amar’e destroying you in the post and Carmelo shooting outside or getting in the paint.
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Carmelo is a .333 3PT shooter on the season, about average.
He’s at his worst when he’s jacking up shots from outside rather than attacking the rim and doing his thing from mid-range. Gallinari and Chandler are both statistically better shooters than Melo is, and you know Melo is not going to be fine with being a spot-up shooter on the wing. Who is the distributor on this team? Chauncey looks for his own shot first, as does Melo, as does Amar’e. Turiaf does nothing on offense and Fields isn’t a playmaker. I just don’t see this offense succeeding as much as a lot of people seem to think. Mike is definitely going to have to change things up and step outside his comfort zone.
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Having watching the Pistons for years,
I can say that I don’t agreed that Chauncey looks for his own shot first. He’s not a huge assist guy, but he’s a good facilitator and game manager.
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by JesusNinja13 on Feb 22, 2011 8:47 PM MST up reply actions
I guess that's just what I saw in DEN.
Terrible shot selection.
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For some strange reason.
When analyzing these super teams people tend to forget that what is going to make Miami special is having LeBron James…you know…the most talented fucking basketball player on the planet.
The difference between LBJ and the other 2 on Miami and Amare/Melo is significant.
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RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 11:05 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
+10000000
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Miami can be beaten
And Amare/Melo/Billups has about the best chance of any combo in the League to do it.
At the very least, the Heat will know they were in a battle.
by suns68 on Feb 21, 2011 11:20 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I think Boston is the only team that has a chance against Miami
I don’t even know if New York can beat Chicago.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
WHat about ORL?
CHI is playing really well right now. And they’re getting Noah back as well. Not many teams could beat them.
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Agreed.
The Knicks would be a tough out in NBA Jam against the Heat.
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RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 11:32 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
rec
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by Will Slaven on Feb 21, 2011 11:59 PM MST up reply actions
I can already see
Amar’e turning on the hot spot and flying for a 5 point dunk from halfcourt. Epic. Suck on that LeBron.
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All this trade stuff has finally made me cave into the inevitable.
I’ve done it.
I’ve created a Twitter account.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 21, 2011 10:11 PM MST reply actions
Welcome to the dark side..
I still don’t get Twitter, but I love it anyhow.. I follow all the basketball news & a few of my fav shows & actors. I however have no followers, it’s sad. Lol. Not really I can rant to no one.
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by Aztiramtempe on Feb 21, 2011 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
Im doing it to follow basketball news, lol.
Not sure how much I will actually tweet myself..
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 21, 2011 10:17 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe I'll get one if I ever upgrade to a modern phone.
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
Green Bay Packers: Super Bowl XLV Champions!!!!
Yeah, I wouldn't be doing it if I hadn't finally gotten an Android phone.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 21, 2011 10:19 PM MST up reply actions
This younger generation is sooo much more high-tech than I am.
I’m still rolling with a Razr.
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Droid 2 rocks.
So much better than the Crackberry I had before.
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~John F. Kennedy
by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 10:21 PM MST up reply actions
G2 Google Phone... I love it dearly
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 21, 2011 10:22 PM MST up reply actions
I wish I could say that I love my iPhone,
but I don’t.. Can’t wait till my contract is over..
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by Aztiramtempe on Feb 21, 2011 10:24 PM MST up reply actions
I avoided iPhone
Because I’m loyal to Verizon and I wanted real buttons. Touch screen sorta blows, especially for texting.
"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth."
~John F. Kennedy
by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 10:26 PM MST up reply actions
Palm Treo rules
Good screen, good keyboard. Only problem I’ve had is that it sometimes double posts on BSOTS.
by suns68 on Feb 21, 2011 11:10 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I still have my first phone from 4 years ago.
It doesn’t even have a name, just numbers and letters.
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Lol.. Please tell me ur joking..
That phone is so 2005.. Jk
A phone is a phone. All that matters is that it still works.
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by Aztiramtempe on Feb 21, 2011 10:22 PM MST up reply actions
Not kidding.
My LG Voyager broke a couple years back, so I’m stuck with a Razr since I share a family plan with my folks. No texting for me.
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razrs are the bee's knees
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Thank you.
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*Vince Carter not withstanding.
This is actually how I pictured LeBron's signing in the summer.
Not that Decision BS. We’d find out from some obscure source or newspaper instead of from the player’s mouth.
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*Vince Carter not withstanding.
So now everyone's talking about Summer 2012, with Deron, Chris Paul, and Dwight
That’s the summer we have cap room too, right?
Even if we can throw a max at those guys, I don’t see either one of the three choosing Phoenix.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I don't want
Deron in this team….and I doubt he wants to be here.
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by modernage13 on Feb 21, 2011 11:03 PM MST up reply actions
Looking at these ESPN highlights...
Where the hell is that lob pass from Hill to J-Rich for the dunk that took us into overtime against the Grizzlies?
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Exactly
This why i dont go to espn to hear about sports…
´´As long we have Nash, we are playoff contender´´
by Lino Canaan on Feb 21, 2011 10:28 PM MST up reply actions
Runmor
I read somewhere just a little while ago (SI, ESPN or yahoo sports) that Denver was looking at a 3 way trade to send Felton and Mozgov to NJ Nets and have Devon Harris go to Denver.
I am not sure what Dallas would send to Denver (but I am guessing it would be Caron Butler and someone else/draft pick plus cash and draft pick from NJ). This allows Denver to unload Felton and the Mozgov for the additional draft picks they have so coveted and further reduce their salary next year.
In addition there were rumors that Denver was looking to trade Nene and JR Smith for additional picks etc.
Does Denver have a chance this year??
We all say we like the trade by Denver but does this make them better?
Nene, Kmart, Aflalo, Ty Lawson, JR, Felton, Galinari, Mozgov, Harrington, Chandler..
Its a lot of nice pieces, but a bit of a mess perhaps….
You’d have to think that despite some good talent and role players, its too disorganized to be worked out in this short of a space of time?
Are these guys now out of the race for the playoffs?
I don't think they're done making moves.
I do think they will fall out of the playoffs, especially if they lose Nene, etc.
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Summary of trade
Knicks got:
Billups, Melo.
Nuggets got
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Feb 21, 2011 11:14 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
It'd be funnier if there was that bulging white text with a million exclamation points.
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Leon The Professional
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Josh Smith a Phoenix Sun
This is the guy Phoenix needs to acquire. Atlanta wants to get a center so Horford can go to Power Forward.
What, you want me to come up with a J-SMoove trade?
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by Omaha Sun on Feb 21, 2011 11:38 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Link doesn't work in the subject line.
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So, guys. Back to the ever extant question:
How do we get our “star”?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Have Nash sweet talk everyone’s FO.
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by modernage13 on Feb 22, 2011 12:19 AM MST up reply actions
Why would the Nuggets give up Nene for our scraps?
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by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 11:44 PM MST up reply actions
To facilitate the Suns getting Josh Smith.
Obviously.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 21, 2011 11:45 PM MST up reply actions
Exact opposite of what they are looking for.
DEN doesn’t want middle-aged average players on extended contracts. They want young and expiring.
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Nene's a quality 28 year old big.
If the Nuggets deal him, they’ll get a lot more than Warrick, Childress and a mid first round pick for him.
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~John F. Kennedy
by East Bay Ray on Feb 21, 2011 11:57 PM MST up reply actions
Well...
If that deal were to happen, Hawks and Suns fans would be creaming their pants. Al Horford’s dad would finally be happy that the Hawks got his son some help. And we’d have our PF.
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trade vince, orlando;s pick to denver for nene, ely and $3m
would be nice to have a nice 4 player rotation of bigs. shop warrick, never been a fan
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im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Feb 22, 2011 12:02 AM MST reply actions
would give denver over $40m off the books after this season if they decline vinces option
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im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Feb 22, 2011 12:04 AM MST up reply actions
Because noone was competing for Amare at the time, while not as much as other FA. Everyone wanted LeBron.
Amare was NY’s consolation prize.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Anthony is younger and healthier, his contract will be shorter (3 yrs) and insurable. People discount Amare’s injury history but it’s real.
But despite that, this brings me to another thought: were Kerr and Griffin really as great as everyone says they were?
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Kerr and Griffin --
Alex, I did not think that the trades they did were all planned to be good. To me they seemed knee jerk reactions and some were horrible (like the Shaq trade) and some just were lucky — Dudley and JRich.
Kerr joined SUNS as GM on June 6, 2007 and Griffin is promoted to VP Operations:
I know a lot is being blamed on Sarver (and I am no Sarver fan), but if you see the history in that period - got nothing in return.
- Jun 2007, SUNS draft Strawberry and Alando Tucker
- July 2007, they dumped Kurt Thomas to get rid of salary (luxary tax) and we paid dearly for that.
- Feb 2008, they trade Shawn Marion to Miami for Shaq (Miami was desparate to get rid of him).
- June 7 2008, SUNS sign Porter as head coach
- Dec 10 2008, they trade Raja Bell, Boris Diaw for JRich and Dudely.
- Feb 16 2009, Porter is fired as coach
- June 2009, Shaq traded to Cleveland to dump salary -
During this period SUNS have tried to trade away Amare several times (and pissed him off) and also sold several draft picks (or gave away draft picks) that would have yielded great players. Not really valued young players and have done a very bad job of scouting and developing players.
did not know how I got the event history crossed.
by az_kevin on Feb 22, 2011 1:01 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
wow. Bravo my friend.
rec.
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My one and only attempt at rosterbating..
Phoenix gets: Josh Smith, PF from ATL; Samuel Dalembert, C SAC (expiring)
Hurts to lose Lopez, but Josh Smith gives us the PF we need, and Dalembert will at least give us some rebounds and blocks as a stop gap..
Rotation of:
Nash/Dragic
Pietrus/Chill
Hill/Dudley
Smith/Frye
Gortat/Dalembert
Atlanta gets: Robin Lopez, C & Hakim Warrick, PF from PHX; Francisco Garcia, SG & Darnell Jackson (cheap, expiring, throw in)
ATL gets a young, promising C, and is able to move Horford back to the PF spot, and gets a high energy backup PF in Warrick, plus a role-player and a cheap, expiring player thrown in.
Sacramento gets: Vince Carter, SG (essentially expiring) from PHX; Jamal Crawford, G & Zaza Pachulia, C from ATL + Orlando’s 1st rounder from PHX.
SAC gets a huge, essentially expiring contract in VC, and some good extra pieces from ATL.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4lqz9e8
I’m not exactly a professional rosterbater, but the trademachine said that this trade would work, and it would seem all 3 teams would come away with some needs met. Please, blast away!
Faith Focus Finish
we’re gonna have to wait on Atlanta till next season. Once they get a closer look at the Knicks rotation, they will realize the 4 seed is still locked up.
It’ll be the new CBA that makes them shake up the team.
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Simple question...
do we really still need a PF? That doesn’t seem to be our weakness as much anymore. Our weakness seems to be the lack of a #1 scoring threat. We need an offensive go-to guy. Guys like Diaw, Murphy, Thomas, even Josh Smith… I’m not sure they’re quite that offensive weapon. Stephen Jackson seems closer to the kind of guy we need. Or Michael Redd. Or the Vince Carter of 10 years ago.
agreed..
There is always a tendency for suns fans to want more size and turn this into a really conventional team…we are getting enough from Gorpez and Frye with a little from Warrick, so that the 4/5 is not really a big problem anymore (I mean obviously a great 4/5 would have some impact, but what do we need to lose to get that guy?)
I think we need a great shooting guard..Jrich would do. Its hard to commit to Capn Jack after his wildly inconsistent play, but he does still seem to have a killer instinct, at least when he plays the suns..
Personally, I’d like them to stand pat unless the are offered something unbelievable. run with the current group and the positive chemistry that is emerging and get a good/great 2 (Jrich, Barbosa, and there are many others) over the summer.
great shooting guard
i would love kevin martin on this suns team.
I think it would still be an improvement
Just because we’d be adding versatility and in most cases be upgrading our talent level.
Achievement is its own reward, pride obscures it.
by hcblankscreen on Feb 22, 2011 3:23 AM MST up reply actions
Imagine
if Orlando offered us J-Rich back. They mostly just wanted Hedo back. I doubt it would happen though cause they wouldn’t trade him if they were planning to resign him. Also, I’m sure he would rather be in Orlando.
Our BIGGEST problem is blowing up leads when Nash sits down. We need someone that can shoot well with the bench.
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Mo Williams is available...
or move Vince to the bench and see what happens
Vince Carter likes cheese.
I would do that.
Mo Williams on the outskirts shooting spot up 3s? Moneeeeeey!
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
yeah, he’s a big difference maker who shows up even bigger in the playoffs
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Lolz, I love sarcasm.
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Yea, why didn’t they just keep Carter and let us keep J-Rich? Carter was actually a better fit there than here and J-Rich is greatly underused there.
Don't trade Dudley!
Some people are just like slinkys, they're good for nothing
yet can still manage to put a smile on your face
when pushing them down a flight of stairs.
A general scoring threat isn't our problem
it’s our inside scoring threat. When we need a high percentage two pointer at the end of the game, we have no go to (besides Nash). That’s why we’re still looking around for a scoring PF.
Especially if that PF is a good roller/finisher. There’s not much better you can do in this league for an automatic two points than the Nash PnR.
I'd agree with the general scoring threat.
While a PF would be best, a scoring SG/SF would help a lot as well. We currently have nobody who can close out games. Nash can score, but he’s really the only threat on the roster.
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by JesusNinja13 on Feb 22, 2011 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
That's true.
If we could find an iso star that could give us the same high percentage two pointer, then it really doesn’t matter what position it comes from.
I mean, besides Nash.
I may be the biggest Warrick hater here
but Warrick should be that guy. He can’t breath in the painted area without drawing a foul.
Trade Warrick!!!
Unfortunately he's not.
He’s not an “automatic” two unless he gets fouled. You can’t count on the refs to make your plan work at the end of games.
by waxmonkey on Feb 22, 2011 6:10 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
well said
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Carmelo and Billups to NYK
My re-akshon!
Eddie: ...You can't start relaxing.
Gary: Oh Who's relaxing? I'm intense. I really am.
Eddie: You're always intense...
Gary: So who you're accusing to be relaxing here?
Eddie: The guys out there in the white jersey!
Jimmer Freddette is nasty!!!!
let’s trade Hakim Warrik, josh childress, carter, for oj mayo and rudy gay draft jimmer freddette and trade pietrus and orlando’s pick for carl landry.
starting five next year:
nash, oj mayo, gay, landry, gortat
bench:
dragic, fredette, dudley, hill/frye, lopez /frye
rest of this year : nash, gay, hill, landry, lopez/gortat
Maybe, I am losing it.
Can we interest Philly in a trade for Carter Vs. Iggy.
Could the numbers be made to work ?
Or am I Too drunk.
On the Gani Lawal Bandwagon.
Suns Future All-Star
Mark these words........
you're losing it
Suns need a shooter at SG, and they’re playing good defense now.
They needed Iggy more a year ago when they couldn’t stop anyone from scoring and had lots of other shooters on the team.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/25217/westphal-kings-in-significant-landry-talks
Perhaps the Suns are interested in Landry?
Don't trade Dudley!
Some people are just like slinkys, they're good for nothing
yet can still manage to put a smile on your face
when pushing them down a flight of stairs.
traded to Hornets
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
plus he doesn't rebound
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Maybe a little bit.
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
Green Bay Packers: Super Bowl XLV Champions!!!!
But why would they do this when their PF is their 2nd best player and their SG is Marco Bellinelli? Trading away Thornton doesn’t make much sense to me, unless they want to play West at C until Okafor returns and Landry at PF. I guess Willie Green will get the bulk of the SG minutes then. Maybe it does make a little sense…
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
Green Bay Packers: Super Bowl XLV Champions!!!!
I guess they're not planning on resigning David West this offseason,
and plan to go after a vet SG.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
if NO's master plan
is to play Marco Bellinelli and Willie Green at the 2, then that’s not a great master plan.
Apparently, Marcus Thornton regressed back into a second-round pick this season – a guy capable of scoring 20 a game for a losing team. I’m sure he’ll turn around the Kings though.
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That was my thinking,
but at least Thornton has played at that level before. Neither Green nor Bellinelli can say that.
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
Green Bay Packers: Super Bowl XLV Champions!!!!
I read somewhere that GS and NJ are working on a Murphy trade.
And it sounds like Devin Harris is going to either DAL or POR.
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
Green Bay Packers: Super Bowl XLV Champions!!!!
I don't think I very much like NJ's "Blueprint for Greatness"
Seems like the blueprint for continued suckitude right now.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Blueprint for Greatness
Step 1: Move out of New Jersey
Step 2: Be thankful that you are no longer in New Jersey
Step 3: Never return to New Jersey
Greatness Achieved.
After a lot of thinking
I think it’s better if we don’t make a trade. With Denver and New Orleans/Kings making a trade and Rudy Gay injured, the chemistry our team has right now should be a benefit to make it to the top 8. Should be interesting to see what happens to Portland, Golden State, Houston, and Dallas at the end of trade deadline.
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Zach Randolph might be going to Orlando for JRich and Bass
poor JRich
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
i may be too high for my own good but hear this out
Charlotte
Vince Carter
Robin Lopez
Mickael Pietrus
ORL 1st round pick
Phoenix
Stephen Jackson
Gerald Wallace
Tyrus Thomas
with those 3, we are geared up and should be ready for the post season. i know it may effect chemistry, but with the west as open as it is, we need to take advantage of our situation.
Montero, Mora
Miranda, Gutierrez
Gonna arrest ‘em?
Too much
You have the bobcats blowing up their entire team, trading their only 3 good players, giving up on the season . . for what?
A decent big, a decent wing and the 27th overall pick in a horrible draft?
for whom?
who honestly will come to phoenix? let’s say we get the CBA figured out and have a season.
2012 free agents
Chris Paul – New York
Deron Williams – stays in utah
Gerald Wallace – Dallas will overpay for him
Andre Blatche – maybe? probably Sacramento will overpay.
Ray Allen – Boston
Kevin Garnett – if he still plays Boston
Russell Westbrook – OKC or Sam Presti is an idiot.
No one will come to Phoenix with all these super teams coming into the league. We need to build from the draft just like OKC/SA does.
Montero, Mora
Miranda, Gutierrez
Gonna arrest ‘em?
Does it matter?
We stand to have the chance to sign TWO max free agents http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2011/2/15/1994602/how-long-can-nash-continue-play-at-this-level PLUS Nash. We could BE a “super team”!!!!!
Nash + Childress + Gortat + Lopex + Frye + Dudley + TWO MAX FREE AGENTS! Better than what Miami has/had to offer Bosh and Lebron, IMHO, and we could really get a star or two there.
We need to build from the draft just like OKC/SA does.
What the…? So your proposal is to blow up the team like OKC did and spend 5 years as a 20-30 win team and hope draft Durant and not Oden? PASS!
Lets have cap space after 2012, and either trade for or sign a max free agent or two (Dwight Howard or Kevin Love spring to mind).
isn't this exactly what new york had in mind?
let’s clear space to clear room? they only got amare and raymond felton out of a stacked free agent class.
We may have to tank for a couple of years to get back. Being the 8th seed does no good when you get swept in the playoffs every year. OKC was already tanking and just happened to have Durant fall to them and same with Westbrook. What about Ibaka?
did san antonio blow up their team? no. they scout well and draft within their spots. Dejaun Blair, George Hill, Manu Ginobli, and Tiago Splitter are great examples of this.
I still don’t get why they would come here. To play with Nash? For the weather? We have to remember, other teams with more favorable situations will have max money saved up.
Montero, Mora
Miranda, Gutierrez
Gonna arrest ‘em?
No! Hammer would kill himself...
if Howard followed him to PHX.
:)
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Feb 23, 2011 7:24 AM MST up reply actions
then take out thomas and pietrus
they want to trade sjax and gerald wallace. in order to get wallace we need to take on a bad contract in captain jack.
Montero, Mora
Miranda, Gutierrez
Gonna arrest ‘em?
My problem with a lot of these trades is the lack of upside
Let’s say we get Cap’n Jack, and/or Diaw.
So what? At best we’re a 7 seed? AND we’ve sacrificed the one tiny bit of financial flexibility we had?
I think someone said it before in this monstrous thread, but the only trade I’d be in favor of would be precisely one that does change things up a bit. We need to plan for the future, not fight for a 8 seed. Obviously, Josh Smith is the holy grail (he would help now and later) but he’s a pipe dream. Here’s a trade that could either be a franchise-saver, or a disaster. So I present:
Suns Get: O J Mayo, Hamid Haddadi
Grizz Get: Robin Lopez, Mickael Pietrus, SUNS 1st rounder.
Suns: OJ has had a really crappy year. Just pure crap. But he was a high lottery pick, a college stud, and probably the second most heralded prospect out of high school this decade (after that Lebron guy). If he’s gonna turn it around anywhere, wouldn’t it be Phoenix? He’d have two vets (Nash and Hill) tutoring, holding him accountable and generally kicking him in the ass. If Nash could get Tim Thomas to give a shit, he couldn’t do the same with Mayo?
Besides, isn’t is possible Memphis is a bit of a toxic situation? It’s a horrible franchise; not a basketball city, he has to play with headcases like Z-Bo, his coach doesn’t even play him . . . I’m not exonerating him, but it’s also not exactly a recipe for success. He has the potential.
Memphis gets a legit big prospect, which they need, because they’re not keeping Z-Bo and Gasol after the season. Pietrus can help them on the wing, and the Suns pick will be reasonable. I believe we can trade it now, because we have the Orlando pick (btw, why does every talk about that pick like it’s a trade assest? It’s gonna be like 26 overall! BFD!)
Anyway, it’s much better than teams like Chicago are offering them.
Even if Mayo doesn’t work, we probably still make the playoffs. It’s not like he can do any worse than Vince has done (since this is my dream scenario/trade, it also involves the Suns telling Vince “Go home. We’ll pay you your money. Just get the hell out of here, we’re going to give your minutes to a professional basketball player, as opposed to what you’ve become”)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6a22naf
Vince + Dragic + Phoenix gives the better of our 2 firsts next year for Devin Harris + Murphy
We get a PROPER backup for Nash, and a guy that can play D, + a stretch 4 who can board for a dead contract and Dragic.
Harris would be great next to Nash as well. Steve can take the worse player, and HArris can D-up the better back court player.
If we throw in two first rounders next year maybe we can get Morrow for Hack as well.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6a22naf
Vince + Dragic + Warrick + 2 1st rounders next year
For
Devin Harris + Troy Murphy + Morrow
That’d be sweet, and Nets might just go for that – no real cap difference, and 2 firsts might be better for them than Morrow. Morrow would LOVE being a part of our offence!
I hear orlando wants to move jrich and Brandon bass to Memphis for zebo.
How Bout we send Orlando robin and we take jrich and Brandon bass and we send one more player but I can’t think of anyone… Maybe vc
by Migonads on Feb 23, 2011 2:38 AM MST via mobile reply actions
This would also be a good trade for us because Memphis is gonna be missing Rudy gay
So if we can stop them from getting jrich we hurt their play off chances.
by Migonads on Feb 23, 2011 2:40 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
we cant acquire the same player we traded in the same season
unless he gets waived…
Join the Army, meet interesting people, kill them.
How you like THEM apples?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4ndnoa3
We get what we wanted – a skilled PF with a post presence, still in his prime and a servicable backup for Gortat.
The core remains the same. We get rid of VC who sacramento will gladly take as a salary dump with some cash considerations. They don’t really need Landy as he just plays backup to Cousins.
Houston get a young center and get rid of Scola’s long contract as they have no shot at contending without Yao.
:) might happen?
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Feb 23, 2011 7:57 AM MST reply actions
I hear the Celtics are inquiring about GHill Jdud and Pietrus
We can’t just give up our 3 best defenders on the team…they are smoking. lol. Anyone else heard anything about this rumor?
Yup.
But what we need Erden for? And Jermaine is dead. Wafer is a downgrade for Pietrus.
Basically I believe we need Baby more than Gallo.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Feb 23, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
Better our team and save money doing it!
I think if we were to move anyone, this has almost no effect on the team chemistry and we still free up the cash for next season (even more because there is no “buyout” needed as there is with VC’s contract) http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=45bnh35
Troy gives us another big man; has the ability to shoot inside and out, and Vujacic can fill the roll of 2nd or 3rd SG almost as well as old man Carter. The Nets wanna dump Murphy badly, and we still aren’t on the hook for anything next season.
Wow
I took a short hiatus from the Nba (to focus on schoolwork) and when I retuen, all these teams are making trades, but we are staying put (according to Coro we have a zero percent chance of making a trade). We are below 500 with an aging Nash who might be having his last great year (next year there will probably be a lockout) yet we are content with being around 500 and keeping the corpse of Vince Carter.
So, New Orleans has acquired Carl Landry, a player who many of us fans have coveted for his energy and scoring. The Knicks acquire Melo, the nets get williams, the magic are trying to trade Jrich and Bass for Zach Randolph, Boston is trying to nab Courtney Lee, yet we do nothing. Nash has done so much for this team but we refuse to upgrade it.
What we need is simple- a talented shooting guard to replace Jrich and a solid pf who can backup or start over channing frye (Warrick is not good enough). Gerald Wallace and Captain Jack would work perfectly.
The Post-Colangelo Suns
have made a lot of moves that made me scratch my head. Trading Marion in his prime for an over-the-hill Shaq. Trading J-Rich for what used to be Vince Carter (hard to believe this is the same guy who jumped over France’s 7’2" center in the Olympics). Letting Rondo go and develop into an All-Star in Boston. Drafting Taylor Griffin because we need a big man, and then immediately cutting him.
We need to stop bailing on our rookies before they even get a chance, and the new FO needs to learn some lessons from the past: DON’T shop the Suns’ superstars. They ticked off Charles Barkley in the ’90s by doing that while he was leading us to 50 and 60+ win seasons, and they just did it to Amare too, so he bailed for NYC.
It’s hard for me to see Nash either resigning after his contract is over, or going to play for another team. I see him just retiring if next season really is locked out. With the pieces we have now, I really think it’s best that we just keep this team as-is for now, let the Ghost of Vince Carter’s $17 mil come off the books, and then throw 100 million dollar contracts and yachts at Dwight Howard and Chris Paul (yeah, I know, it’s Arizona… they can keep their yachts at Lake Havasu).
Charles Barkley left eventually. So did KJ, Dan Majerle, Jason Kidd, and Penny Hardaway. Steve Nash retiring is gonna happen… we may as well start planning for it ahead of time so that we don’t have that 5-year rebuilding gap where the Suns get destroyed on a nightly basis and no free agent worth his mustard will consider Phoenix.
- MarsupialRogue
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