Suns Trade Goran Dragic For Aaron Brooks...Wow
by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 1:42 PM MST
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Didn't see this coming and honestly not sure how I feel about it. Goran Dragic has not had a good season for sure but I still believe in his upside and while Aaron Brooks can score the ball, he's a horrible defender. Brooks is also a restricted free agent so he will need to be paid next year while Dragic had a team option on his contract for 2011-12.
Dragic is certainly a favorite of mine. I like his game and his make up but there's no doubt he took a big step back this season. The front office people that believed in him and brought him to the Suns are gone and over the past few weeks there were signs that the coaching staff was losing some faith in him. I still think he'll turn out fine and am not sure the Suns won't end up regretting this.
The price for Brooks was not only Dragic but the Suns first round pick. If the Suns make the playoffs, Houston gets the Phoenix 2011 pick. If the Suns don't make the playoffs the Rockets get the Orlando pick acquired in the trade in December.
What do you all think? Did the Suns give up on Dragic too soon or is Brooks a guy you can get behind for the future thanks to his speed and scoring ability?
The Suns were also reportedly involved in a possible deal for Paul Millsap that would have cost Robin Lopez and Mickael Pietrus. Not sure how solid that is or what happened. Stay tuned for more on that.
[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/24/11 2:11 PM MST ]
A bit more on Brooks...
Rockets guard Brooks suspended for walking off court | NBA Basketball | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
Frustrated for weeks about his diminished role, Rockets guard Aaron Brooks will have no role at all tonight against the Denver Nuggets. The Rockets suspended Brooks for one game for leaving the court in the fourth quarter of Saturday’s win over the Memphis Grizzlies at Toyota Center, general manager Daryl Morey said.
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my thoughts... I had alot of hope for Dragic
Dragic will end up being an overall better pg in the end. He will be much better defensively.
Brooks is a great scorer / shooter. However, like Nash he is small and another defensive liability on the floor and is definitely a shoot 1st pg.
I think they should have give Dragic longer. Who cares if you make it to the playoffs this year and lose in the 1st round. Then you get another bad draft pick.
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by JesusNinja13 on Feb 24, 2011 1:45 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
I concur with JesusNinja13
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Seriously, this is just gonna be The Rajon Rondo Story, Part Deux. Dragic is gonna come back with Houston and light us up next time we see them. I wouldn’t call this brilliant.
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by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 6:04 PM MST up reply actions
Except you know....Rondo is almost exactly the same age as Dragic and is already an All-Star
Goran is a below average backup
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 9:01 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say the rest of the league would regard him as one of the better backups in the league
his play this season hasn’t reflected it, but it did last year
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Did it?
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 9:10 PM MST up reply actions
I think so?
his advanced stats were pretty good
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Everyone is basing how great Dragic is off of last year's play
Yet, in the same regard everyone is only paying attention to Brooks play this year, instead of last.
Basically, we traded an average to slightly above average back up for a guy who was on the fringe of being a top ten point guard last year. Sure, he only averaged a little over 5 assists a game but it was basically his first season as the starter. Also, maybe he would’ve averaged a few more assists last year if Yao Ming were playing and if Trevor Ariza didn’t decide to shoot 33% from three.
"Look, don't relax on Hakim Warrick, Josh Smith. He'll put it on your face in a hurry."-Eddie Johnson aka Best. Commentator. Ever.
Seth has talked about why Brooks wasn't actually that impressive last season
and I’m inclined to agree with him
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
So if Dragic was the man on Houston last year he'd have done better, worse, same?
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 9:17 PM MST up reply actions
oohhhh that's a good question
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Worse
Because Dragic doesn’t like being the “main man” and last year Houston was without Yao and their main offensive weapon till the trade deadline asides for Brooks was Trevor Fucking’ Ariza.
"Look, don't relax on Hakim Warrick, Josh Smith. He'll put it on your face in a hurry."-Eddie Johnson aka Best. Commentator. Ever.
Well, Seth obviously is never wrong.
I mean, he only averaged 19.6 PPG, 40% three, 43% fg, 82% ft in his first year as a starter. What a bum!!
"Look, don't relax on Hakim Warrick, Josh Smith. He'll put it on your face in a hurry."-Eddie Johnson aka Best. Commentator. Ever.
check out Goran's advanced stats and compare them to Aaron's
if you like what Aaron did, then you should like what Goran did, because their stats are almost identical. Goran’s a little more efficient offensively. Maybe if he took more shots than Amare last season like Brooks did you might think differently.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
From Gambo
Dragic was also on the verge of losing his backup point guard spot to Zabian Dowdell before the trade.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Also from Gambo
Suns had grown extremely frustrated with Dragic’s inconsistent play and felt he took a big step back from last year.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Maybe they are preparing for D Day
True, I like what Dowdell was beginning to do and he’s earned more minutes. So there’s got to be more to this than meets the eye. Either there’s some off season positioning going on, or maybe preparing for the day when Nash hangs ’em up. But with all the guards and wings, at some point we have to make a move to get a PF. Wish you luck Goran!
I love this site
LIke 75% of the people are more concerned about DiM’s feelings than the actual trade.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 1:49 PM MST up reply actions 14 recs
Very much for it.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 1:53 PM MST up reply actions
I feel bad too!!!
Poor girl. It’s horrible being a teen & so emotional.
I think you'll find that I'm universally recognized as a mature and responsible adult.
by Aztiramtempe on Feb 24, 2011 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
I actually love the trade
After the initial shock (when I voted No to the poll), I actually believe Brooks is a better leader than Goran.
Just don’t like throwing in the 1st rounder
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by ajotanelsona on Feb 24, 2011 1:52 PM MST up reply actions
If it's for this year's draft, it doesn't matter.
It’s gonna be turrible.
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by Trevor Paxton on Feb 24, 2011 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
I can't decide whether I like the trade from a basketball standpoint, yet
Still in shock. Definitely don’t like losing our 1st rounder though. Luckily its protected.
Re-sign BAMF.
Seth's feelings pretty much express my own - Dude was fun to watch for me
I loved his creativity and how hard he worked.
BUT
I also am excited about Aaron Brooks – not great on defense but I believe he will be a more consistent and reliable back-up and catalyst for our struggling second unit. He will give them more of an identity I believe here in the present.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
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by Eutychus on Feb 24, 2011 1:49 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Im with you
I was pretty vocal about how crazy the 2nd team had been with Dragic at the helm. That didn’t mean I wanted him traded though. Still, whats done is done. What I am particularly interested in is if Brooks will end up playing SG with Nash at various points in the game. It will be nice to have a guy that can and WILL drive to the basket in late game situations to draw fouls. Brooks is a good pickup and will fit nicely if his shooting can get back to what it used to be.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
as if we did not have enough wings!!
So we add Brooks as a SG because he is a not a PG. When we have 5 wings already and were really short of a PF.
No, Brooks is a PG, and will play as such in our system.
Bad defender, yes, but good offensive scorer and distributor.
Sad to see Goran go
Especially after all the years we watched him grow. Worried that Brooks bolts as soon as his contract is up and we’ll have nothing to show for it. Excited because he brings a lot of energy and scoring to a second unit and will maybe allow us to rest Stevie more often. I wonder how Dowdell is feeling.
i dont like it
Even though dragic seems to be a head case. Had he really lost the job to zabian it would have been the end of his season. i still dont know much about brooks but gut instinct is no. our needs were not in the PG. damn.
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Sad it had to come to this
Dragic was the project that was supposed to succeed Nash. He hasn’t been playing up to the level that he should be this season, but I agree his upside was high. We could have gotten worse that Aaron Brooks – scorer more than a facilitator. Goran Dragic will surely be missed.
Very Very Sad... But...
I think honestly Brooks will carry the Suns farther than Dragic— at least for now.
that's how I feel
Dragic might have had more potential I believe – but for the near future I like Brooks
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actually, I think near and long-term Brooks is better.
I LOVED DRAGIC, but Brooks is a better player.
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by Alex Laugan on Feb 24, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Better player,
worried bout the fit.
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A fast breaking all offence point guard?
Sounds positively Sunsian!
I would love if we could all contribute to an ad in a Houston newspaper
to wish Goran well and thank him for his time here, kinda like Golden State of Mind did for J. Rich.
Add to that ad
that we’ll see him back here in the future when he becomes the next Steve Nash
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This trade kind of says to me that Gentry didn't think Goran was going to get it back
I don’t think they make this move if the coaching staff wasn’t on board. That I can live with.
Plus I also like Brooks.
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yes, we have no idea what was being said or done behind the scene
I suppose we should trust in the FO and hope that they let Gentry make that call????
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I'm with you, Scott.
Adds a little more firepower off the bench too. I’d like to see a little more playmaking ability, but let’s face it….We’re back to “who takes Nash’s spot when he leaves/retires?”
There was no indiciation Dragic was going to be able to run the team. And maybe Brooks isn’t the answer either, but for the moment, I think it was the right move.
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 24, 2011 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
The only replacement for Steve Nash
is Cyborg Steve Nash
by Lime on Feb 24, 2011 1:57 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
i thought he already was a cyborg....
you mean hes…..human?
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by DustinAe on Feb 24, 2011 2:02 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I am open to Brooks BUT
don’t like that SUNS having to give up a 1st round pick for Brooks when he is a RFA after this season vs. Dragic had a team option.
Dragic was a facilitator and a better defender than Brooks is (though he seems to be a head case and a better shooter but a lousy facilitator). I do not think he is a good leader.
Brooks isn't going to be
hugely expensive….I would think the Suns either have huge confidence in Dowdell (which I don’t really believe) or that Brooks would be fairly easy to extend/resign….
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 24, 2011 2:02 PM MST up reply actions
The point,
I think, is not that we could have let him go at the summer but that we realized that he wasn’t what we needed. Getting brooks at least gives us the backup for the rest of this year and is cheap if he picks up next years option, allowing us to go for another PG in the draft with our pick.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
NBA TV says Houston lost in the trade.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Nobody wants that deadbeat
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by Eutychus on Feb 24, 2011 1:56 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Sarver wants the cap relief more than anyone else
Bo Baggins!
by ajotanelsona on Feb 24, 2011 1:57 PM MST up reply actions
if that is the case then SUNS added to cap because
Dragic’s next year was a team option vs. Brooks is a RFA which means we are on the hook if no one picks up. He could also leave which means SUNS do not have anything to show for this trade!!
so we are completing for NOW
i am ok with that…
moving Vince
would have required an even better chemistry change – 17 million in new player(s)
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My thoughts on losing the first rounder -
For what I believe the Suns need – this upcoming draft isn’t going to be that great. All of the great PF prospects will be gone before either of our pick slots. So one pick in the 1st round no matter where it is will be kind of ho-hum.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
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Furthermore,
with the future PG slot wide open we can draft Fredette like you all want us to…
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
haha -
I think Fredette would be great fit here in Phoenix…
BUT I am highly doubtful that he will be available to us now that our top 20 pick is gone. There is no way he’s still available in the mid 20’s around ORL’s pick.
Dude is still balling and his team will have a very high seeding in the tourney coming up. If anyone’s interested, the biggest game of the season for BYU (#7) and Fredette is this Saturday against rivals SDSU (#4) and it’s on National TV.
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exactly my point.
By giving up this Draft pick, we have even reduced the chance of getting any decent player. Just shows that the SUNS FO has no regards for draft picks and don’t really have the ability to develop players.
And, I am not speculating, the recent history shows that. Even Lopez and Dragic have taken longer to develop. Other we have given up and are doing better else where.
NO
We would have had a reduced chance of getting a decent player regardless of whether we were picking at 15 or 25. You’ll need a top 7 or maybe 10 pick to get anything substantial in this up-coming draft
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
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We weren't going to have a top 7 or 10 if we kept the pick.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
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This is the worst draft in 10 years
So losing pick 25 is hardly cause for concern!
I think he's betting on us being in the lottery...
Where our draft pick is protected. Yes, Jimmer would be great, but Utah also got Nets first round pick and will need a new face of their franchise and a PG.
Hmmm…Don’t know if Jimmer makes it to us either way.
That's what I'm feeling
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Hadn't considered the Jersey factor.
The Nets are awful, and the Jazz are probably not going to do well without Deron Williams at the point, and since Fredette’s the hometown hero in Utah, it seems entirely plausible that the Jazz get a higher spot in the draft than the Suns, and then use that pick to draft Fredette.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 8:28 PM MST up reply actions
It's a win.
Sever your emotional ties to Dragic and accept it.
Scott Howard-Cooper says the Lakers won the trade deadline
:| all Scott Howard’s are evil.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
I'm nervous that Dragic will find his way in Houston
He seems like the type of player would could really grow quickly if he figures out the mental aspect of the game. He seems to me more of a 2 than a 1.
Its hard for me to give up on him after his play last season. On the other hand, I wonder how much his chemistry with Barbosa contributed to his success. They could share some of the load, and it allowed Dragic to give up some of his “1” duties for some offensive plays and act as a spot up shooter.
Nash is a playmaker
he is a pass first guy, Dragic isn’t. Dragic plays like a SG.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Imagine if
He gets motivated to get the Rockets pass the Suns in the Western standings to show us they made a big mistake trading him.
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have you considered the same in reverse for Brooks?
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Doesn’t kind of make you think, “we should have just kept Barbosa”? I mean him and Brooks are pretty much the same player. I will admit that Brooks plays with an edge and brings some toughness to his game, but that was last year and before. How has he done this year?
Don't trade Dudley!
I think because he wanted a bigger role and probably didn’t feel like he fit with the team anymore.
Don't trade Dudley!
Barbosa also made over 7 millions dollars
People tend to forget that when pining for him
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:05 PM MST up reply actions
Yea, but we traded him for Hedo…
Lets just admit that the moves in the off-season didn’t make much sense.
Don't trade Dudley!
Well yea
It was a bad move. But I didn’t want to hang on to the albatross of his contract. LB’s best days are behind him.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:07 PM MST up reply actions
He wasn't the same Hedo as before.
And he only played a year for the Raptors. I dunno, seems like Turkoglu hit his zenith already. And, IMHO, Barbosa was $7,000,000 a year of awesome, but maybe he just thrived better under O’Antoni’s system.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 8:33 PM MST up reply actions
are you crazy?
Brooks averaged around 5 assists a game last year. Barbosa passed the ball for the 1st time last night in the Raptors-Bulls game
there are some crazy rumors out there about nash and barbosa. I heard maybe that is why they got rid of him.
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You've heard those too?
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
super nasty... nobody in az sports writers talked about it
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Probably a reason for that, don'tcha think?
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the two
are teaming up for a charity thing in Toronto this week so…
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 2:10 PM MST up reply actions
well that says alot right there.... so most stuff is bs anyways right?
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Psshhh.
It’s all a front. Search your heart Seth…you know it to be true (or completely baseless…either way)
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
does it have to do with Steve's divorce?
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
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Like seth said, both are hooking up in Toronto for an event, and are twitter buddies as well.
Some fans just making up baseless cap.
maybe somebody overstepped the stated boundaries in a threesome
that would reconcile it.
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What? I thought that's what this place was all about? Suns gossip and rumors!? :)
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Eh, I'll be a minor asshole
Sometimes when two people love each other very much, they agree to have a baby. But other times, one of those people decides they might enjoy the process which leads to a baby with the Brazilian friend of the person they love very much. Or so the rumor goes.
Personally, sounds like a load of bull to me. Nash never appeared angry or anything with LB and seemed sad to see him go. And we’ve all seen his commercials; he’s not that great of an actor.
by PaxRomanAClef on Feb 24, 2011 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
Snaps...
maybe that’s why we haven’t seen any sweet new baby photos of Steve and the newbie?
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
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he did get a divorce the next day, kind of strange timing….
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Wow, I'm just wondering why I never heard these rumors... I thought I was pretty twitter savvy...
I’ve definitely always wondered though…
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
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There are some blogposts about it
Agreed on wondering. Nash isn’t the type of guy to leave someone and who in their right mind would leave Nash
I'm not familiar with this story.
So it sounds like: Nash and his wife have a kid. The day after the kid is born, Nash files for divorce from his wife. I would presume this to be because the kid obviously didn’t look like him or his wife in the slightest. Which would imply infidelity on her part.
Is there any truth to this, or just more urban legend? If that actually happened, then it’s terribly sad.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 8:37 PM MST up reply actions
They had been separated for months. Nash just decided to wait until after the baby was born to file.
This “theory” is by a random blogger who claims that an unnamed source that he doesn’t know whether or not to believe told him this.
Also knows as: completely unfounded bullshit.
Thanks for the info.
The Internet’s great for both fiction and non-fiction, it turns out.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 8:48 PM MST up reply actions
I heard from my legal assistant
Who heard from her daughter who worked at a school where the principal was friend’s with Nash’s wife.
I mean how awesome is that?
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
Very strange.
And I don’t doubt there was some trouble in that relationship. I just sort of doubt that it had anything at all to do with LB.
by PaxRomanAClef on Feb 24, 2011 2:25 PM MST up reply actions
yes that's what I think
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
lololol
Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace SAYS deal including OJ Mayo did not go through.
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Fail
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forgot to submit the paperwork???
but just updated on twitter???
Didn't get it in in time I think.
Or was that one of the other trades?
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again lol
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I'm going to say something in your article:
Brooks can’t score. At least not this season. Absolutely could not shoot the freaking ball and couldn’t play a lick of defense, and I was pretty much fed up with him at this point. How he plays for Phoenix is something I don’t know.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
Neither can Dragic as of late. He turns the ball over too. Hope a change of scenery works out for both players.
Don't trade Dudley!
Don't forget his complete lack of confidence.
The fun part about trades is that Suns fans just assume they’ll get 09-10 Brooks and Rockets fans probably assume they’ll get 2010 Western Conference Semifinals Game 3 Dragic
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:03 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
somehow
i think we are better off then….because we just want the 09-10 Brooks to play bench minutes. but they want the Game 3 Dragic to play starter minutes…
right...it's the chemistry problem we worry about
but i mean…he knows he’s coming off the bench…
unlike turk when he came here…
If we win, he should be okay
Then again winning makes everything better. Here’s to a 28-0 run
by lixuec on Feb 24, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't know.
He clearly did not like playing behind Kyle Lowry…….. but Nash is obviously a lot better than Lowry.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
Right so it's not so much believing you're better and not getting what you want.
I wonder how his minutes will go.
He seems like the type of player who won’t be happy with 16 minutes like Dragic was getting
but dragic was getting 16 mins because he's been sucking
if he were getting more, he woulnd’t be traded at all
who the heck is Kyle Lowry?
isn’t aaron brooks the starter for houston? (this may show my ignorance…but also highlights comparing nash to lowry is not fair)
No.
Brooks was injured at the beginning of the season, and never was the same ( though at this point it’s just I give up). Lowry’s been the starting PG this year. He cannot shoot nearly as well, but is a better defender, finisher, is one the best rebounding PGs in the league, and is a better passer. He has however showed a greater tendency to chuck this season compared to previous after getting paid, but it’s somewhat acceptable.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
Having to sit behind Steve Nash
is a lot different than having to sit behind Kyle Lowry.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
Plus, Brooks know that if he plays well he’ll get more minutes because we love to rest Nash.
Don't trade Dudley!
Playing for a contract as well.
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I guess for me it depends on how much it will cost to extend Brooks. I’m not a huge fan of PGs who shoot in the low 40s and are average to below average passers. I mean, you can argue that’s what Dragic was too, but I liked that he was pretty solid on defense. I guess overall, I’m not super excited or disappointed about this trade. I don’t mind trading Dragic, but would rather it would have been part of a bigger deal.
Banzai!
Same here.
I do think Brooks can stabilize our bench a little bit, but I don’t know about what will happen going forward.
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HOLY SHIT
I certainly did not see this one coming. I liked Goran and I think he has great potential, but I think he’s also not consistent enough. Aaron Brooks, well, much the same? I dont see how this is a win for either team, nor is it a loss. We traded people more than game. I just dont know. I’m still in shock.
Damn
I liked that Millsap deal better. Too bad it didn’t go through.
This is Turrible
Dang it! What were we thinking? Goran was the best young sun and was starting to tear it up. Just makes no sense to me
He did start to tear it up in the playoffs last year
Then he forgot to re-start tearing it up.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
And there goes my favourite player....
But we once sent an PG to Texas and he came back and became a 2-Time MVP
From a Dragic-Fan-Standpoint I hate this trade
But from a Suns-Fan Standpoint I think it could be pretty good,remember how Aaron nearly killed the Lakers? Hope we’ll get that Aaron
I also hope,that Goran becomes an All-Star in Houston or elsewhere
or…
Just come back,Goran :(
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is it really
THE Mr. Orng?
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
I've been wondering that myself
Achievement is its own reward, pride obscures it.
by hcblankscreen on Feb 24, 2011 2:19 PM MST up reply actions
I guess I have to change my name and sig ^^
"Be aggressive! If you make a couple mistakes, that's fine. Just be aggressive alright? "
seriously
are you THE Mr. ORNG…the guy at the games covered in orange paint?
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions
Now that you're on BSOTS, I take back all the things I said about you
Want epic? Go to Bright Side of the Sun threads. We're more Homer than homer.
I'm all about this trade
With Zabian’s emergence, Goran has become completely superfluous. Brooks could actually lead us into the future* and be a suitable replacement for when The Unthinkable Happens.
*assuming he doesn’t just walk when he’s a FA
by I_Still_Love_You_Pat_Burke on Feb 24, 2011 2:10 PM MST reply actions
I wonder if Brooks will change his game
His speed works in this system so it’s just shifting the mentality.
Agreed.
If we can coax him into passing a little bit more, his super-scoring speed-demonness is going to be perfect for the bench.
by I_Still_Love_You_Pat_Burke on Feb 24, 2011 2:12 PM MST up reply actions
Me too.
I loved Goran in an adorable, I-want-to-pinch-his-cheeks way, but I got really tired of being terrified every time we had a lead and he got on the floor. If he can pass a bit more and play consistently, Brooks could be the most legit Nash backup we’ve ever had
by I_Still_Love_You_Pat_Burke on Feb 24, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
I know one BOSTSer that is going to be very upset....
“Dragic is Magic” we feel your pain. Let’s hope Brooks can play for the Suns like he did against the Suns…
im happy with this trade.
Why are we all worried about dragic over the team? when mos tpeopel here were worrying about the Team over Nash?
Lets keep it straight, this is in the best interest of the Team, Dragic had fallen off and fallen off hard this year. had he los thte spot to Dowdell, he woulda lost what little confidence he had.
it was better to let him off as he had value…
Brooks is a good scoring fit off our bench.
It's about whether we got enough back...
I’m not in love with Dragic, but I don’t want the Suns to do “knee jerk” trades where they give up an asset that could increase in value. They are definitely “selling low” with Dragic. Maybe he will never get to being the player he was last year, but he did show flashes of something valuable.
That’s why I’m worried. If he comes back to life in Houston, we’ve lost some young talent. I guess we’ll have to trust that the Suns front office/coaches know what they are doing.
I think Gentry had some part in this trade
I remember we always wanted Aaron Brooks in 07 draft but we got Alando Tucker instead. Kerr was the GM at the time and MDA the coach and Gentry was the assistant. I guess he really liked Brooks.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
will gentry "over-rest" nash with brooks playing more minutes?
again, i am not sure what is the good thing
well he was right if thats the case
Tucker and Strawberry really worked out well…
I'm an infrequent poster...
but I can’t believe you guys. What did you do, exchange promise rings with Dragic? Listen, I loved that little dude too and that Game 3 in the Suns-Spurs series was incredible. But Aaron Brooks was a flat-out stud last year. He actually has a chance to be an All-Star someday. And spare me the Dragic future all-star talk. You are so dreaming if you think that. Brooks was the BEST guy mentioned in all those potential Nash trade rumors earlier this year (other than Nash of course). You have to give up something to get something. Unless you’re the Lakers. This trade is a win for us. Enjoy it for crying out loud.
by atwater on Feb 24, 2011 2:13 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
I feel like the reaction has been mixed
Why are you suggesting we all hate it?
Also to answer your question….it was a ankle bracelet.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:14 PM MST up reply actions 8 recs
you're right
The reaction is mixed. This is to the half that is poo-pooing the trade
Fuck. My bad
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
I am not a Brooks fan
there’s reason he’s not starting this year for the Rockets, no?
I think he’s good but he’s not nearly an All-Star. Undersized guy who can fall in love with his own shot. Not a great decision-maker.
Dragic has the tools to be a much, much better player. Perhaps he doesn’t have enough confidence or swag or whatever, but between the two, Goran has more upside.
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 2:17 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
you’re nothing if not loyal.
Lopez > Gortat, Dragic > Brooks.
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 3:16 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Loving the "upside" theory.
I wonder if you’d like a certain DARKO a few years ago…
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Feb 25, 2011 2:11 AM MST up reply actions
I bet Goran wished he never stepped on that glass
that led to Dowdell playing more minutes which showed the team what he was capable of. I’m just glad Goran didn’t go to Denver. Can you imagine being in the same team with Kmart and Smith after they bullied him?
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Solid trade
We traded potential for actual. Houston fans seem pretty pissed. They traded their star PG for a backup who is slumping and a crappy draft pick. Brooks is real talent and was very unhappy in Houston this year. He wanted out and they needed to dump him. I think this will work out in the end. Our second unit was one of our greatest stengths last year because it was so much better than most other teams. I think this helps us get back to where we were or even better.
I'm happy about this trade.
I’m absolutely outraged with the Battier deal. For now, I think it’s Morey’s first real mistake.
Also, one question about Dragic: Does he have a chucking tendency?
Minnesotan Rockets fan
No, but too many times he’ll just dribble and dribble and nothing happens. He can be a very good slasher, but doesn’t do that enough.
Don't trade Dudley!
That's because his teammates weren't moving without the ball.
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
No definitely not
He doesn’t have the court awareness that Nash does (not that anyone does for that matter) Sometimes he seems to be just dribbling around and killing the shot clock. He definitely has talent though and could be a starting PG at some point.
Brooks
So when is the first game you guys think we will see Brooks take the court? I personally am excited to get some more scoring and a leader for the 2nd unit besides Duds
Agreed
Also I wonder how the locker room will be like. Brooks doesn’t seem like the type who will laugh too often
Aaron Brooks will laugh plenty.
Or be laughed at.
http://deadspin.com/#!5249118/just-give-your-car-keys-to-aaron-brooks-and-hell-park-it-for-you
Twitter: @MikeLisboa
What's his laugh rating on NBA 2K11?
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 3:00 PM MST up reply actions
Man, crazy deadline
They must really like Brooks or really not like Dragic.
Perkins in OKC? Whaaaat?
Achievement is its own reward, pride obscures it.
I just feel that Aaron Brooks will turn into a Allen Iverson like guard(without the attitude)
More of a scoring pg, plus they have the same weight and height.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Which is a problem for me.
I never liked Iverson.
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by Omaha Sun on Feb 24, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Hasn't everyone been complaining that we suck when Nash leaves the floor?
This trade is great, in my opinion. I absolutely loved Goran’s personality, and he does have a lot of potential, but let’s face it, we all know how his play has been this year.
As of right now, Aaron Brooks is a MUCH better player. For anyone who thinks he hasn’t “proven” himself, he was the freaking most improved player last year. This year, he’s obviously had some issues with the organization, but I have no doubt that this kid is a stud and will fit in great with the Suns. His scoring potential is extremely exciting.
Dragic is like Barbosa was. Great personality, fan favorite, but just not quite getting it done. It’ll suck to see him go, but it’ll end up helping us a lot. Barbosa led to Gortat, Dragic led to Brooks. I think our management has not done bad.
You have a point...
I don’t think anyone is arguing that Dragic was struggling, and Brooks is better for the time being. I think people are upset about Dragic’s potential and what they thought he could develop into, and that we also had to trade a first round pick.
what about Brooks' potential tho?
The dude is just as young and his game is progressing at a much faster rate than Gorans…
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 2:26 PM MST up reply actions
haha yeah.
no problem. that’s about all i’ve got tho, so i hope that helps…
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 2:28 PM MST up reply actions
his per-36 numbers are the same
just getting less minutes because of his early injury and bad attitude )when he wasn’t extended)
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Word
I’m really sick of Nash having to come back in the game early because Goran is sucking. Also what I like about Brooks is he’ll create his own offense if the other guys on the floor aren’t scoring.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:28 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah,
I think Brooks’ offensive will help us immensely.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 2:32 PM MST up reply actions
He will definitely create offense
if necessary. There were times he had to Be the offense in Houston. However, one of the first things I thought when I heard about the trade was, “Damn, watching Aaron every night is going to make Scott suicidal.” He has sent me to the brink of ledges more than once. He can be totally brilliant and incredibly frustrating.
But on the laughter point, he is a very upbeat clown around guy off the court. Teammates like him. I really hope he does well in the desert.
And, I hope Seth is right about this trade. We could use Dragic surprising us with his brilliance.
I am in deep mourning because we traded away the soul of our team and its one legitimate defensive claim to Memphis for a 7 ft project…..sigh, deep sigh…….
Brooks on trade
"I’ll wait in line," Brooks said. "That dude is a legend, MVP and a Hall of Famer. I’m ready to go be behind him and learn from him, just come in and help team. It offers me a fresh start. I’m ready to go."
exactly what i was saying above.
No one has the right to be upset coming in behind Steve Nash. Every starting point guard in the NBA has to right to be upset about coming in behind Kyle Lowry.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 2:20 PM MST up reply actions
yo, when are we gonna get together to watch a game?
Want epic? Go to Bright Side of the Sun threads. We're more Homer than homer.
westside, by co-op
Want epic? Go to Bright Side of the Sun threads. We're more Homer than homer.
Like that a lot.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
TERRIBLE
Terrible trade. Dragic will shine as a starter some day. If he gets consistent minutes and time to get experience playing and making decisions which you get as a starter at 30+ minutes a game he could easily have a game good as Rondo or Tony Parkerish.
by eagleheart on Feb 24, 2011 2:20 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
You mean he could be a PG who can't shoot if left wide open?
Rondo is great but I want my PG to be able to shoot a basketball better than shaq.
Vince Carter likes cheese.
Wanna make a bet?
Seriously – lets make a bet!
I’m betting Dragic is either:
1. A solid 2 guard who scores quite well or
2. A career backup point guard.
You?
If we want to compare to previous young Suns point guards....
I’ll say Dragic ends up much closer to Negele Knight than Steve Nash.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 4:07 PM MST up reply actions
I'm more Vinnie "The Microwave" Johnson
Dragic needs to be a 2 IMHO. Plain and simple. He’d be an AWESOME 2 in a Isiah Thomas Joe Dumars three guard unit – where he plays ZERO point minutes.
Tend to agree he'll be better as a 2
I’m more saying if people can toss out he’s the next Steve Nash I can just as easily toss out that he’s the next Negele Knight
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 4:13 PM MST up reply actions
If Dragic does turn out to be as good as we fans hoped....
The good news is we will get to see him kill the Suns 4 times a yr :)
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He's going to be a backup to Lowry now.
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pardon me but...
OMG. i have never used this acronym before, but i think now is the perfect time.
on a separate note, this has got to be the CRAZIEST and most surprising of trade deadline deals that I have encountered. the sheer amount of stars being traded is just… ridiculous!
long term – hate it
short term – so-so
agree with Lord Seth.. Dragic will bust out.
i am not upset at all
this means we will push for the playoff NOW
last night’s game was the clearest sign that Dragic couldn’t get it done anymore
Close Call
Sources say that HOU wanted Marcin Gortat in the Aaron Brooks deal, but PHO wasn’t interested. Soon after, HOU got Hasheem Thabeet instead.
Consider us lucky we only got rid of Dragic!
Vince Carter likes cheese.
They were asking for too much and they knew it, but they had to try right? Wouldn’t you?
Don't trade Dudley!
Yep
Maybe like every offer we had with other teams involving Vince Carter…
Vince Carter likes cheese.
no way
Suns were giving up Gortat for Brooks…now, if they included Scola would have to think about that
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
of course i will think and take that!!!!
Scola is a scorer and a great, great rebounder. He would be great starting or comming off the bench…
Include Scola?
Now who’s smoking crack Scott. I thought we got this straight a while back. The Argentinian will be doing his tango in Houston for the foreseeable future.
No need for insults.
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
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Ahhhhhhh!!!! Definitely in shock!!!
Love the little dude, but he was having major confidence issues lately. I can’t wait to see what Brooks brings to the Team. Anyone know when his first game is???
I think you'll find that I'm universally recognized as a mature and responsible adult.
I know...
Kind of hard to believe they traded for a guy nicknamed ‘Crash.’ Shows a lot of marbles. Love Wallace, but can’t root for Portland.
Vince Carter likes cheese.
NOOOOOO!!!!!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I can't understand how Portland makes all these crazy trades with virtually nobody...
I mean, they gave up almost nothing for one of the best rebounding centers in the league last year – Camby; then trade two broke down vets for a solid SF who is almost at elite status? Seriously who the hell is listening to these trades! Why can’t the Suns trade aging nearly useless people for young talent. PDX will be good. Mark it folks. Aldridge, Wallace, Camby front line? Plus Roy in the back? Sigh…
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I am happy. Now Dowdell can lead the second unit. We were playing our best when Dowdell was leading the second unit.
which says SO much about how Dragic was doing this year
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Buy out.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
I am not taking away from the play of any other sun player. The team was just most complete when Dowdell was running the second unit. Dowdell is not the MVP but was just more efficeint than dragic.
Oh, ok, I thought you meant now Brooks can start and Dowdell could run second unit.
That may happen down the road, but Dowdell will likely remain the 3rd PG for now.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
:( think of poor DIM..
I think you'll find that I'm universally recognized as a mature and responsible adult.
by Aztiramtempe on Feb 24, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :( :( :( :(
OH SAD DAY!
seriously eff this trade. I HATE IT! I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Not yet...but warming to it.
I’m still in shock, but have always liked Brooks…Just wish we could’ve kept our first round pick.
nooooooo :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KyBdPeKHg
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
What are you memories of Goran from?
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RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:38 PM MST up reply actions
This was what my initial post was going to look like.
In fact, it was quite vulgar. But then I stopped myself.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 24, 2011 6:12 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I saw that.
I wasn’t sure whether to laugh or cry. I ended up making a horrible cough-like choking sound.
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Quote from Brooks...
“I’ll wait in line," Brooks said. "That dude is a legend, MVP and a Hall of Famer. I’m ready to go be behind him and learn from him, just come in and help team. It offers me a fresh start. I’m ready to go."
Bo Baggins!
my point exactly.
backing up Steve Nash is completely different than losing UR starting job to KYLE LOWRY.
as was i.
no way will he be upset backing up one of the greatest of all time.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
You used the quote function
Looks prettier. You win.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
A win from Scott is worth 2 in the bush… or something like that
Bo Baggins!
by ajotanelsona on Feb 24, 2011 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
I think
Any PG that comes in this team while Nash is here is just happy to be playing with him. I remember when they asked Rondo about Nash he was saying how if he stayed in that team that he wouldn’t be where he is today cause he would be on the bench all the time.
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In more important news...
The Cavs acquired center Semih Erden and forward Luke Harangody from the Celtics for a second-round draft pick
Lebron who?
Vince Carter likes cheese.
Gulp.
The Barongody combo is about to get unleashed on the NBA!!!!!!!!
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
Don't forget about Samardo Samuel!
The Cavs are STACKED!
Achievement is its own reward, pride obscures it.
by hcblankscreen on Feb 24, 2011 2:40 PM MST up reply actions
Yup.
Worst case scenario they get the 15th pick
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
Basically how I see it...
Unless we are hoping that Brooks puts us over the top and makes us a contender.
That's sure what I'm hoping!
I’ve felt for a while that we should explore trading Dragic for a more proven PG.
Except I thought it should be Andre Miller. But whatever.
Trade Warrick!!!
Which pick did we give up?
Can someone send me a source?
pros being we got a midget chucker who can't play defense
and who can’t score this season
and who is going to be a RFA this summer so we’ll probably lose him and then nash will be traded and then there’ll be nothing left other than dust and death and destruction and orphans
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
i think he meant there'll be nothing left but...
dust, dirt, death, destruction, desolation, dearth,decapitation, darkness, dormancy, doormatness, decline, descendency, declivity, despair, despondency, doom, depravity, deep darkness, denigrations, defamations, disrespectings, disputations, dire dilemmas, delinquent deviations, diabolical demoniacs,and…
orphans (deserted kids)
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Feb 24, 2011 4:03 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Did DiM hijack your account?
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:40 PM MST up reply actions
GORAN DRAGIC HACKED MY HEART!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
And you're still alive?
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
Green Bay Packers: Super Bowl XLV Champions!!!!
For all Dragic's defensive potential
He hasn’t been any better than Brooks.
Achievement is its own reward, pride obscures it.
by hcblankscreen on Feb 24, 2011 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
How much taller is Nash?
How much greater of defense does Dragic or Nash play?
Hint: Not very
Vince Carter likes cheese.
I've always thought Goran was a very good defender.
And they’re a good 4 inches taller than Brooks, IMO.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Seriously, though...
Does anyone have a location on DiM? We should have someone check up on her round the clock…
I think this is a good deal for us. It sucks losing Dragic, but he’s dropped off and we need someone to lead the 2nd unit. I think Brooks can do that well. Brooks is also a bit of a Laker slayer…
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She just gave her 2 weeks notice
and is actively searching for an apartment in the greater Houston area
by Lime on Feb 24, 2011 2:39 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
You had me a Laker Slayer
… but yes I agree. Brooks’ scoring will be needed more on the 2nd unit than Dragic’s TO’s. The guy averaged 19.6ppg last season, he’s got skill.
Vince Carter likes cheese.
He is a Laker Slayer
Best games against them, always. Makes you forget that you wanted to squish him for over dribbling the ball the last game…..
Penny Wise and Pound Foolish
I think Goran will eventually be better than Brooks as an all around player. However, in the short-term, Brooks is clearly a better player.
I love that we’re trying to win now. I’m not sure it’s wise, but I love it anyway.
Trade Warrick!!!
But for Goran...when?
2012? 2013? 2014? Never?
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:40 PM MST up reply actions
Well, Goran's already a better defender than Brooks
I pretty much believe that Goran will flourish as soon as he gets a consistent 30+ per night. That wasn’t going to happen here.
Not sure it will in Houston either, but he’s got a better chance of taking Lowry’s job than he did of getting Nash’s.
Trade Warrick!!!
2013 All Star starter.
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
Nash
If Nash can mentor Brooks like he did to Dragic, then Brooks will be a great long term solution. The guy can already shoot, but if he can pass half as great as Nash, he’ll be well worth it. Its not like we’d be downgrading PG defense once (if) Nash retires.
Vince Carter likes cheese.
Brooks, Pietrus and Warrick coming off the bench just seems crazy. A lot of speed and athleticism there.
I always thought the bench was at their best when playing fast and crazy until Dragic decided he wanted to play like Nash and dribble all day. Sad, I hope this trade works out for both players and teams. I hope Dragic can find his confidence again and return to us when he’s an all-star at 30.
Don't trade Dudley!
Can we teach Brooks and Warrick how to defend?
Two defensive liabilities and three strong defenders to help hide them? Will be interesting to see, but it’s also worth mentioning that Aaron Brooks is still young and teachable just like Dragic was, but much further along offensively and overall. Let’s hope he flourishes.
He has gotten better as the season has rolled on.
Doesn’t look lost nearly as much.
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This may not be the place to discuss it,
but despite Utah and Denver likely being a lot worse, I think OKC and Portland got some major upgrades.
Still first round fodder to San Antonio, Dallas, and LA
Bo Baggins!
by ajotanelsona on Feb 24, 2011 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
And Phoenix
don’t forget us! =-)
Trade Warrick!!!
by jc79 on Feb 24, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
For Portland I don’t think it matters. Some else will just get hurt and they’ll continue to play their above average, yet not good enough for a title basketball regardless.
Don't trade Dudley!
big time
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
OKC just got CRAZY GOOD
And I’m not unhappy. I like the Thunder. Except I hate Perkins. I dunno, we shall see.
Trade Warrick!!!
I feel the same way
Durant is the only young superstar with an ounce of humility and OKC is super fun to watch. Perkins… if he’d get that look off his face every play, I think his popularity would go up a bit. Going to have mixed feelings now.
There's this guy named Derrick Rose
He’s the most entertaining player in the league and his humility makes Durant look like some sort of MJ / LBJ hybrid.
Achievement is its own reward, pride obscures it.
by hcblankscreen on Feb 24, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions
My nickname for Perkins has always been 'the Inmate'
His face just makes me laugh and cry and the same time.
Vince Carter likes cheese.
Mixed.
My heart doesn’t like it, but my head does. My gut is undecided as of yet.
Goran sucked really, really bad for most of this year. His scouting report caught up to him and he has yet to adjust.
The Suns badly needed a scorer on the second team. The offense with Dragic running it looked about as cohesive as a hog on rollerskates. I loved him as much as the next guy, but he was painful to watch this year.
Now that the defense has been upgraded, the offense needed a boost too. The Suns are a better team today, and I’ll always be pulling for Goran but I wouldn’t bet on him to fulfill his potential.
I smell like the vault. I'm so PAID.
by RMason on Feb 24, 2011 2:45 PM MST reply actions 5 recs
as cohesive as a hog on rollerskates
Lol. Nice Mr.-Haney-ism.
Trade Warrick!!!
by jc79 on Feb 24, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly my feelings.
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Why would you sell LOW? Why would you trade a guy when he's at his lowest point in his career?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Because your coaching staff and front office think he's mind fucked
And the guy you traded for is being dealt at a low point too and has already accomplished drastically more than Dragic has in the NBA
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions
I dont think everyone looks at it like that....
You can say a guy needs a change of scenery. One team can look at a guy and say, “I know what I can do to help him out.”
An example is the Magic turning Earl Clark into a Center. Weird, yes when the guy was a 3 or 4 with the Suns. And altho EC hasn’t turned the corner, he’s had some nice games for the Magic.
If you check the dreamshake, they are “stoked” to get rid of Brooks and get Dragic. They were done with the guy, just like a lot of us (or the FO) may have been done with Dragic.
At what point could Dragic have been good enough to sell high? Directly after last year’s 23 point in a quarter performance against SA? There’s no way to know when a guy is going to “get it” or fall off the planet. I think the Suns made a pretty good deal on this one.
Lastly, Dragic is a likeable guy, but so was LB. Their likeable personalities are one thing, they tend to overshadow the serious flaws in their game. Dragic proved all to often that he was capable of making great plays, but not necessarily capable of greatness.
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 24, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions
This is his 3rd year.
He had 1 irrelevant year, one good year, and one disappointing year. I’d say this is his 2nd worst season.
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So, are we better now?
Give me your objective opinions on if this trade makes us better or worse. Try not to let emotions creep into the equation…look at it from an analytical perspective.
Comes down to
does Brooks return to the kind of play he got when he was starting? We have two PGs who have dropped off in their production. Hoping that a swap helps both.
Obviously needs to work in the immediate for this to do any good.
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by TheAlexSkinner on Feb 24, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
Okay, analytically
We might be better this season. In fact, we will be better this season. Dragic was one of the worst players in the NBA this season.
I think we’re screwed in the future though. Goran had much better upside. He was Ginobili-esque as a combo guard. He was still learning the game…he can be a magnificent player.
I don’t see the same upside with Brooks. He’s more of a 5’11 shooting guard. Last year he showed he can score like a mad man, but he can’t do anything else. And I’m pretty sure that he’s going to get an offer that we’re not going to match this summer. Just a gut feeling.
AND we gave up a pick? :(.
Just my thoughts.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
That's a good worst-case scenario as I see it.
Not trying to downplay your opinion by any means, but yes, if he turns into just a scorer and decides to bolt during free agency, then it was a bad move.
I know there are other ways to think about this
But this is all that keeps going through my head:
So let’s say Brooks tears it up.
Oh look, he’s a RFA this season.
Someone will overpay him, and we won’t re-sign him.
Oh look, we just traded away a big part of the future of this team and a first round pick for nothing.
Let’s say he sucks.
Oh look, we just traded away a big part of the future of this team and a first round pick for nothing.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Here's a curveball
Let’s say he plays good minutes in a backup role with a cohesive bench.
Oh look, he likes the team atmosphere and decides to re-sign for a moderate price.
Bo Baggins!
by ajotanelsona on Feb 24, 2011 3:22 PM MST up reply actions
But he's never proven he can produce in a backup role
I just hate this trade for our future.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
If we re-sign him for a reasonable price, then this is good
But if we re-sign him for too much, then this is bad.
I know, I know, a lot of “thanks captain obvious” coming my way.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Thank you Capt.
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I just ate a pear.
It’s calmed me down.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Better
Brooks is going to be energized….Aaron Nelson will fix him up, and he’ll make the 2nd unit even stronger with another scoring option and serious athleticism
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 24, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
Good best-case scenario.
I do like his potential to be a facilitator and spark plug for our second unit. If he can find the right balance between distributing to the other guys, and scoring himself, our bench could return to it’s glory of last season.
Brooks is known as more of a scorer than a passer, but that could change a little in our system.
Brooks'll do ok in our offense
because our bench has 3 guys out there who can shoot. All he has to do is get his shoulders past his man, and then there should be an open shooter somewhere.
Trade Warrick!!!
I think his distributing is fine as a back-up scoring PG.
He does a fairly decent job in that role. I’m worried about moving forward. Can he eventually be our starter?
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you mean the Brooks that was the starter in Houston till he got hurt this year, and won the MIP last season?
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by Alex Laugan on Feb 24, 2011 4:52 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I realize that.
I was just talking about our kind of PG. How will he fit for this team as the starter? I guess that discussion doesn’t make sense now as we have no idea what the team will look like or the system will be when Steve retires.
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maybe better this yr, but overall i don't think it makes us better in the future.
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i for one am not excited about making the playoffs and losing in 1st round
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I think a lot of us thought the Suns wouldn't go too far last
year as well.
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 24, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
But that Suns team had Jarron Collins
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions
Jarron wasn't exactly a bastion of fitness either
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
I thought Siler dropped like 45 pounds this year?
and he’s getting dogged for his fitness habits?
Trade Warrick!!!
Do you see any way that Brooks helps turn our second unit back into the potent force it was last season?
I know we have a lot of new faces, but there is still some serious talent…much more than Houston’s bench.
I think he is definitely a guy our second unit lacked:
a guy who can create his own shot. that should help a lot.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions
I'm thoroughly pissed right now
Yea I know Goran is having a down year, but we’re talking about the friggen Dragon!
Ever since last season I’ve had a huge man crush on Dragic and seeing him going and knowing just how much potential is bottled up within him…..it just sucks.
Maybe something good will come of this, but it sure as heck doesnt seem like something that was needed.
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by Turambar on Feb 24, 2011 2:57 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Still curious to what happened with the Milsap deal? He would have been great for us. If the Jazz asked for Dudley and the Suns said no, I feel better.
Don't trade Dudley!
but one of our defensive problems has always been the pg..
We have never been able to stop the ball defensively during the Nash era and this will continue. I think Nash is a better defender then Brooks he is way too small.
Also, are we ready for a shoot 1st point guard here?
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The Suns have traditionally been an offensive-oriented team.
I recall similar opinions on the Barkley/Majerle/KJ Suns, that they didn’t play much D and focused on scoring a lot of points instead.
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by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 8:43 PM MST up reply actions
Of course we're all disapointed and we'll all miss Dragic
He was an amazing bencher, maybe one of the most “punchy” back up in the league.
But he was not a starting five point guard.
I’m so sad for Goran, but pretty happy for my Suns.
Welcome in Phoenix Aaron
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Boston
Good luck to Nenad Krstic, let me know how well you do against Dwight Howard in the playoffs.
Vince Carter likes cheese.
LOL
I have no idea what Boston is thinking with this trade! All I can figure is that maybe they know something about Perkins knee that we don’t.
Trade Warrick!!!
I heard
they had money problems and couldn’t afford Perkins or something like that.
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That makes sense
OKC can afford to keep him when his contract expires. I’m still surprised the Green Gremlins dropped a STARTER on a team that says its trying to win a chip, though.
Trade Warrick!!!
Now they can forever say that LAL never beat their "starting 5."
Doc said today that he likes Green because he will allow the team to go small in the 4th quarter like they did with Posey and let Rondo do his thing with shooters spread out. They are also probably going to sign Troy Murphy or Leon Powe.
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
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Wait... maybe they're betting that SHAQ will get it done.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaaaaaaaa….
Trade Warrick!!!
Facepalm*
Shaq will be fouled out before halftime if they plan to have him guard Howard the whole game.
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1995 Shaq was scary. 2001 Shaq was the definition of dominance.
2011 Shaq? Good luck Boston…
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by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 11:21 PM MST up reply actions
I really like what the Thunder have done, if we don’t make the playoffs i’m jumping on there bandwagon.
I'd rather root for them then LA or SA
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Join the club that started in 2008.
There might be some room left in between Kevin Durant’s neighbors and Russell Westbrook’s college buddies.
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by Trevor Paxton on Feb 24, 2011 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
Some non Suns thoughts
Wow @ Portland getting Gerald for nothing. Not sure why we didn’t go hard after him.
WTF is Boston thinking trading Perkins? Mistaaaaaaaake.
And finally, a general sense of soul-crushing sadness.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
When you can get one of the best SFs in the league for cheap, you do it
The NBA will exist beyond April 2011.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Do you guys think if Dragic had been drafted into a different team?
Do you think if Dragic had been drafted to a team w/out a HOF starting point guard on the roster he would have become better. He really never got consistent playing time here. Think of some of the other ok young point guards in the league, would they be as good as they are now if they had been benched behind Nash?
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Brooks is on Twitter
That increases our “players on twitter” count. Pretty sure that goes into our BCS ranking.
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That's really what this deal was all about.
I mean, Dragic didn’t have a Twitter. And who’s to say that first round pick would have had one?
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by Trevor Paxton on Feb 24, 2011 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
Well, when it came to making moves at the all-star break I think I finally like this one. It was either, play Dowdell and make a playoff run or play Brooks and make a playoff run. Dragic was going to lose his job anyway. This is actually better for him and the team although I hate to see him go.
Don't trade Dudley!
Brooks last game 2-12 in 20 minutes vs the mighty Cleveland Cavaliers
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201102230CLE.html
I am liking this less and less…giving up both Dragic and a pick to get RFA Aaron Brooks….hmmm
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 3:04 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
THIS IS SO STUPID!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Well, motivation and a change of scenery can do a lot for you. Just look at Diaw when it was time for “contract year!”.
Don't trade Dudley!
and
Vince Carter
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 3:07 PM MST up reply actions
You can't blame Carter.
He is in an system that doesn’t feature him playing for a team that doesn’t want him and won’t renew his contract next year. There is no reason for him to play strongly. Besides, its clear that the Suns were trying to shop him. Why play hard for a team trying to trade you only a month after they got you? It will be interesting to see if his stats increase post-trade deadline.
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Shall we look up Dragic's last game?
Achievement is its own reward, pride obscures it.
by hcblankscreen on Feb 24, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
yea…not devastated by Dragic going, just not in love w/ Brooks coming. The Suns now HAVE to resign him or they look like complete idiots and gave up the pick for rental as well.
Like anything else, it comes down to how well he plays.
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 3:08 PM MST up reply actions
Ah.
This makes more sense.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
We will also find out soon enough if the 2nd unit offensive suckitude was Goran going from a really good back up PG to a crap was about Goran or was about the dudes he was playing with…
Only one way to know and now we will know
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 3:11 PM MST up reply actions
I am with Seth..
the second unit suckitude was not by any means soley a function of Goran…
last year we had developed a very clear sense of what everybody could and couldn’t do, so that the coaching and orientation of the second unit was all very cohesive.
this year with all the changes to the second unit, and with the inconsistency of its members there is a lack of clarity…who do I pass to? in what situations? is that Hak the slasher or Hak the sinkhole, that I am passing to? Should we really be posting up Gortat? Is Dudley a slasher or a chucker? what is MP going to deliver when I pass him the ball? and what about the Earl’s….
I just think that with the poor and inconsistent play of the rest of the unit, and the really poor shooting that we were getting from that unit, created a lot of pressure on Goran as we all remembered last year and the effectiveness of that squad..
To me this is a bit of a bail out of the management, placing the blame of the poor second unit on Goran, rather than acknowledging that it was the FO’s hubris in completely reconstructing this 5, that is the major cause.
by HarvMel on Feb 24, 2011 3:26 PM MST up reply actions 8 recs
rec'd completely
wish I could green it right now
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I believe this
but I also believe Goran could/should have stepped up and played better despite of it. That said, I full expected he would learn from this turmoil and grow as a player and as a leader.
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 4:12 PM MST up reply actions
me too..
anyway we’ll see what happens..
overall, I don’t like the move as they seem very similar (stats wise) and, like you say, Goran has more upside. Also, as someone else posted, at some point you get hooked to the guys and when there is so much change you need to wonder who and what you’re cheering for.
But Brooks was Most Improved, and a high draftee and with a deeper pedigree. I suppose that his motivation to prove Houston wrong, could turn out to give him more short term upside as anger and redemption can be pretty powerful.
Maybe this works out..
So shorten the rotation
D’antoni ran a 7 man rotation that worked great. I loved last year’s unit – it was incredible – but if you haven’t got the right players, don’t run the system.
true enough..
but, the whole team was built to be deep, run fast, play hard…
So if you suddenly go 7 or 8 deep, you have 3 or 4 guys getting serious dough who aren’t playing..and without sufficient real superstars we weren’t really built for that short of a rotation.
so that wasn’t really workable.
Which is why I again return to the off season moves..you don’t often get 10 guys playing with no chemistry issues and near perfect cohesion…to assume you could just replace 3, then 4 and now 5 without a hiccup was arrogant and dumb..And when all you really could have done was shuffle the deck as you didn’t end up shedding that much salary, and got no superstars and were effectively trading role player for role player…well..
I guess the idea was that once they lost Amare, they decided not to replace him with a similar type of guy, and felt with all the extra money, they could “upgrade” the rest of the team.
anyway its spilled milk..maybe we were destined for a big drop off anyway, as some of the guys weren’t destined to replicate last years play..
just sayin..
Would have liked to get one of the UofA alums back
Budinger would have been a nice fit here.
Trade Warrick!!!
by jc79 on Feb 24, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
think the Jimmer
love is a bit premature…
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
word
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I disagree.
I think it’s way premature.
"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth."
~John F. Kennedy
by East Bay Ray on Feb 24, 2011 8:27 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
The pick is lottery protected
We keep it is we dont make the playoffs, at which point they get the Magic pick
"I could have been king, but in my own way I am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
Goran's last three pointer was a month ago.
1/26 (yes I realize he missed time). That was also the last time he played over 20 minutes in a game. And he went 2/8 (1/5 from three).
Incredible how much better at basketball Goran’s become in the last 4 hours.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 3:09 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
So it's all "what have you done for me lately" then?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
If lately is this season, then yes.
Seemingly for both guys involved in this trade.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
Lol
Yep. In fact, lets take a look at Dragic’s last few games shall we…you know, since Seth brought it up and all…
vs
ATL 2/23 – 0-2; 2reb; 4ast; 1stl; 3to; 0pts
DAL 2/17 2-4; 3ast; 1blk; 1to; 4pts
UTH 2/15 1-3; 1reb; 1ast; 2to; 2pts
BOS 1/28 1-4; 1reb; 1ast; 1blk; 3to; 2pts
CHA 1/26 2-8; 2reb; 2ast; 1stl; 2to; 5pts
Totals are not particularly promising. 6-21 FG; 9 rebs; 8 asts; 2stl; 2blk; 11 TURNOVERS; 12 points.
Now obviously Dragic had his good games with us but its clear though were not particularly often. I am sad to see him go and think, as Seth does, that he will be spectacular one day and hopefully will make his way back here. But for now, he needs to be in a place that can play him 20+ minutes a game consistently. Hopefully Houston will give him that.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
he's sucked this year
well, at least since about December….I seem to remember a lot of talk around here about Dragic being a future All-Star.
Anyway. My problem isn’t losing Goran as much as it is replacing him w/ Brooks and giving up the 1st rd pick to get him and having to pay him one year sooner.
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 7:13 PM MST up reply actions
Despite him struggling a little this year,
I don’t think you go from averaging 20 points a game as the NBA’s most improved player to being a worthless backup point guard.
Something seems to have caused him to play less minutes and less efficiently, but I really don’t think it’s that he’s gotten any worse. It seems to be some sort of frustration with the organization mixed with his injury earlier in the season.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions
sorry for using the word "worthless."
you never implied that. but i think you know what i mean.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions
I think
a “fresh start” (his words) are what he needs to revive last year’s play.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 3:18 PM MST up reply actions
Seriouly, lemme repeat my last tweet
Hey fellow Suns fans, honest question: when is the last time u heard about a PHX trade and said: “WOW! Great trade!”? After or before Y2k?
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by Lorenzo Franceschi Bicchierai on Feb 24, 2011 3:05 PM MST reply actions
giving up a 2nd round pick for james jones maybe was the last time I didn't think 'we could have done better'
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I loved that
Kurt Thomas trade…
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions
The one where we gave up Kurt
and 2 1st rounders for absolutely nothing? That was fuckin genius!
Trade Warrick!!!
Sarver at his finest.
Worst freaking deal ever.
Then Seattle traded Kurt to San An for another first.
Then Kurt took a charge on Amare that sealed our doom in Game 5 I believe.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I was just looking through the archives yesterday and looked at that post on bright side
jesus effing christ
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I hope you are talking of liking
the trade that got us Kurt Thomas and not the expensive dump (2 first round picks) when SUNS paid to give him away. I was so pissed at that.
Let's not go over all the mistakes of suns past.....
Especially draft picks…
I still think about how we could have Rondo and Iggy on our team. But hey Mike D didn’t play rookies and didn’t want to develop them and we all know where that has us now.
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D'Antoni didn't mind trading half his roster for Carmelo Anthony
since he only plays two of his bench guys at the most.
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by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 10:40 PM MST up reply actions
Diaw/Bell for JRich/Dudley
I was a longtime JRich fan, had been driven insane by Boris’ soft play, and it was obvious that Bell had lost some of his fire at that point. I was very happy with that trade at the time.
I smell like the vault. I'm so PAID.
by RMason on Feb 24, 2011 5:14 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I was a fan of this
BecauseI saw great potential in Dudley and, eventually, for Rich as well. Glad to see I was right on both counts.
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Way to pat yourself on the back there, Nate.
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oh hell no
we are not making that comparison
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Wow, I was just 6 back then.
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by Lorenzo Franceschi Bicchierai on Feb 24, 2011 3:08 PM MST up reply actions
I wasn't yet born (was this before or after June 1992?).
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Any basketball knowledge I thought I had is now gone.
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Sure, blame it on the trades.
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I am a little depressed
Not that GOran was tearing it up lately…but Brooks? Seems like a pointless deal. One that make you wonder if the FO actually has a clue..
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by Lorenzo Franceschi Bicchierai on Feb 24, 2011 3:11 PM MST reply actions
If you look at Brooks' stats from last year...
Dude tore it up. He’s been a malcontent ever since the team decided to hand the keys to the team over to Kyle Lowry. Semi-rightfully so, even though I think players should just accept whatever role they’re given…unless you’re Troy Murphy and asked to leave the team and wait for a trade.
But I think he just needed a change of scenery. I’m hoping that’s the case. ’Cause I could like this trade…it all just depends on how the team performs.
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by Trevor Paxton on Feb 24, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions
he tore it up
b/c he was the only guy on the team that could score at all….he had the ball a LOT. He had a PER of 16 and shot 43%.
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
agree
I think Brooks’ offense is being overrated a bit. If you look at the advanced offensive stats, Dragic and Brooks are pretty similar, except that Brooks is better at taking care of the ball. I would give Dragic the edge on the defensive end/
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Feb 24, 2011 3:18 PM MST up reply actions
for their careers
Dragic: 52.6% TS%, 48.9% eFG%
Brooks: 52.8% TS%, 48.5% eFG%
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Feb 24, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
sweet trade
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
but just to be devils advocate here as I also don't love the trade...
PER’s this year, the same with slight advantage to Brooks, VA and EWA advantage to Brooks..
so based on this years stats its the same with a slight advantage to Brooks and a bit of an explanation for why Brooks stats have fallen off.
since he was a malcontent why give our round 1 draft pick?
we could have picked Jimmer Fredette with that!!
If we are in the lottery, our pick is protected...
Jimmer probably gets drafted by Utah with Nets pick anyway.
If we miss the playoffs, we still get our lottery pick.
If we make the playoffs, our pick will be about as useful as the one we still have via Orlando. It’s almost a wash, there.
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by Trevor Paxton on Feb 24, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
We traded Blair and Hairston for Dragic
Blair, Hairston and a 1st rounder for Aaron Brooks, RFA.
Fantastic. Really savvy.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Throwing Blair in there is LOL simplistic
We traded a 2009 2nd round draft pick which the Spurs used on DeJuan Blair.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions
we could have drafted blair, but we thought dragic was more valuable
and now we think brooks is more valuable.
is brooks more valuable than blair and a 1st?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Thats right.
And rsavaj knows it. He is just frustrated. I would be too in his shoes.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
true
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
We thought Earl Clark was more valuable than Blair
Like way more valuable. We also thought Taylor Griffin was worthy of a draft pick.
The 2009 draft was not a shining moment in Suns history.
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RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 3:46 PM MST up reply actions
they used
the pick the next year to get Blair…there’s NO WAY the Suns could have known how that would play out
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
We play Rockets twice next month
with Rockets coming to Phoenix on the 8th. Dragic’s first game against us will be a home game. I wonder if he’ll get a standing ovation? What about J-Rich? Can’t wait till Dudley dunks on him hahaha.
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I sure as hell know I'll cheer him
Friggen love The Dragon!!!!
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I bet he will.
He made his way into the hearts of fans in a big way over the past couple seasons. He was the guy we could all root for.
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by Trevor Paxton on Feb 24, 2011 3:23 PM MST up reply actions
Dragic_is_Magic is going to come home from school and flip a bitch.
If she hasn’t already.
I am a leaf on the wind. Watch me soar.
She almost swore.
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another reason why i think ppl that are not ecited about the deal
havent seen him play, or dont know who the MIP is. he was a 20 point scorer on a good rockets team last year.(over .500)
he chucked a lot of shots to get there
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
yes,
believe it or not, you do in fact have to shoot to score.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
he does.
he just shoots and doesn’t score.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
sorry, I should have been less vague
he wasn’t very efficient.
there!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
as Seth points out, he was not very efficient.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
fair enough.
the lakers are lead by a guy who doesn’t shoot very efficiently, and that seems to work out for them. i do understand the concern tho.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 3:49 PM MST up reply actions
that guy is kobe bryant
I think that might be why it “seems to work out for them”
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
i know it's a stupid comparison,
but my point was that just because an offensive threat doesn’t shoot incredibly efficiently doesn’t mean he isn’t worth having.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
if Aaron Brooks is gonna be a RFA this summer
that means some team needs to offer him a big contract in order for us to worry about losing him, right? so this means he will at least tear it up between now and the playoff?
The thing is that if he tears it up, he'll get a big offer
And it’s probably smart money to NOT overpay Aaron Brooks, so we’ll let him go, and I wouldn’t be too upset because you don’t overpay moderately efficient midget scoring machines.
But then the point remains: why do the trade in the first place?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Because you realize that Zabian Dowdell
is the second coming of Jesus (Shuttlesworth)?
Trade Warrick!!!
I Just don't see how this guy can't fit in the Suns system.
He is crazy fast and has a nice 3-ball excluding his struggles this year. He can create his own shot which should help everyone else get better looks as well. The 2nd unit should benefit greatly from his presence on the floor
For sure
I think we’ll definitely improve this season. Goran was playing like one of the worst players in the league this year.
But this just feels like a “win now” move for a team that’s not winning now.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I was just confused when I found out about the trade
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Rockets fan dropping in
Can you guys afford Brooks? He’s going to want like a 10 mil per year deal….seeing as Mike Conley just got 9mil per year earlier and Brooks believes he is better.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
frack.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
that's the big question
How much does he want? 10M is obviously way too much. realistically, I think he should be looking for something more along the lines of what we gave Dudley: 4-5M per year
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Feb 24, 2011 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
Not a chance
Unless he starts sucking hard this season.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
hasn’t he been sucking pretty hard though this season? if this is his average season…
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Feb 24, 2011 3:35 PM MST up reply actions
Well, it's the last twenty games that decide it I guess
Maybe he flourishes in the desert and goes for 18ppg off the bench, you never know. He was pretty awful this season for us, though.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
he got injured before he could get it going, no?
and then after coming back from injury he had issues with the organization, no? Does that not play into how he has played this season?
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 3:39 PM MST up reply actions
The way he played was just awful though
He was just chucking shots up…..anyways, best of luck to you guys.
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word
i’m making assumptions since i haven’t really watched him this year.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 3:46 PM MST up reply actions
I mean 12 points on 35% shooting and 28% from 3 doesn’t scream 10M per year.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Feb 24, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
You know someone like SAC is gonna overpay him...
We were pretty worried about it until this happened
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Sacramento?
Well from what I’ve gathered so far, he’s coming off an injury and a sub-par season. So the demand for him won’t be too high. Also Sacramento has Evans to demand the ball.
Sacramento was constantly contacting Houston about Brooks this season
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Well I'm not sure that means they're going to try to pick him up in the FA
At his current value it might make sense for them, but if he makes large demands, not so much.
Also Kevin Martin is there
So it makes sense that Sacramento thinks they can pick Brooks up without giving too much in return
and Udrih who has been playing great.
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He hasn't even played yet
Not really worried about it.
Achievement is its own reward, pride obscures it.
by hcblankscreen on Feb 24, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
Who knows how that will play out
but VC will be bought out so that frees up a ton of cash.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 24, 2011 5:27 PM MST up reply actions
I really don't understand
how people are confused by this trade, or don’t see why we did it. Goran, despite being so lovable, was simply not getting it done. So we found a way to trade our backup point guard (who had another backup point guard threatening his minutes already) for last year’s most improved player. That seems to make a lot of sense…
I do, however, understand concerns about what happens to him and his contract in the off season, as mentioned by .Bonzo above me.
simply emotional tie
Never Fear. Grant Hill is Here.
by sun_equalizer on Feb 24, 2011 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
we are just into it for now
maybe if we saw AB play, it will be over
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by sun_equalizer on Feb 24, 2011 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
yeah.
and i guess i understand that too. but this trade definitely makes us a better team, in my opinion.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
I like Brooks
I would like to see Brooks and Nash in at the same time.
Brooks has great range and can spread the floor.
http://nbhate.blogspot.com/
i wouldn't mind seeing that for a bit...
but they better score a ton… cause the D is gonna suck…
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Feb 24, 2011 4:19 PM MST up reply actions
And the Draft pick
The Suns may not make the playoffs and they’ll still get a great pick
http://nbhate.blogspot.com/
Right.
The pick is a wash. We miss the playoffs, it’s not a big deal. We still get our lottery pick.
If we make the playoffs, our pick likely would have been between 16-20, which isn’t far from Orlando’s pick. I don’t see why everyone is getting hung up on the pick. This draft class isn’t that strong anyway.
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by Trevor Paxton on Feb 24, 2011 3:38 PM MST up reply actions
Brooks was really really good in the WSF against the Lakers in 2009
But yeah, it’s wishful thinking that we’d get someone like that.
Who will switch team?
question is, Are you really a Suns fan or a Player fan?
Never Fear. Grant Hill is Here.
Not a chance...Fan for life, for better or worse.
Don’t understand how people can switch teams like it’s nothing…that used to be very rare but almost seems trendy these days.
Player fans. LOlz
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 3:52 PM MST up reply actions
Brooks
I also like Brooks but its amazing how fast the FO forgot about game 3 of the spurs series. I think Goran will have to live up to that performance for a long time and will look like a disappointment if he doesn’t.
Nobody forgot about Game 3
That’s why hes been such a disappointment, and why they got frustrated with him.
Achievement is its own reward, pride obscures it.
by hcblankscreen on Feb 24, 2011 3:42 PM MST up reply actions
HATE IT.
Who are The Phoenix Suns, now? I understand “true fans” commit to a franchise for the long-haul, but this team is so much different from last year’s team, which was my favorite Suns team ever in the 20 years I have been watching basketball. Dragic gone, Richardson gone, STAT gone, Lou gone, Barbosa gone…who is this team of players we are rooting for?
At this point, I wouldn’t mind seeing Nash and Hill traded to a contender by the end of the day, today. The Sun has set. Trading Dragic for Brooks does NOTHING for this Phoenix team. Six months ago, we were saying Dragic was our future point guard. That he would take the reigns once Nash retired or left.
Who are the Suns at this point?
Sarver is the face of the franchise.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
BRING BACK JERRY!
Bobby Sarver’s tenure as owner has been disappointing and filled with foolish personnel moves. It’s like when Dan Snyder took over the Washington Redskins after Jack Kent Cooke died of old age: one of the NFL’s classiest and most successful franchises descended into a twisted mess of megalomania.
I wouldn’t libel Robert Sarver by saying he’s the same as Dan Snyder, but there’s definitely been a dropoff since the ownership change. And I don’t like it one bit.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 7:01 PM MST up reply actions
Six months ago, Dragic delivered a performance for the ages.
Maybe it was just a little longer. But since then, Dragic became slightly overrated and didn’t play up to where we thought he would be by now.
Also, just because a player is traded now, doesn’t mean he can’t rejoin the team. Steve Nash, anyone?
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by Trevor Paxton on Feb 24, 2011 3:43 PM MST up reply actions
I think the Steve Nash parallel has been visited already
On the overrated note, I think there was discussion about it at the beginning of this season also.
Oh, for sure.
Just can’t be reiterated enough, with everyone flipping out over the trade.
Like Scott said, it’s amazing how much better at basketball Goran Dragic has gotten in the past four hours.
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by Trevor Paxton on Feb 24, 2011 3:45 PM MST up reply actions
Six months ago Aaron Brooks was considered by some to be a fringe top-10 point guard.
"Look, don't relax on Hakim Warrick, Josh Smith. He'll put it on your face in a hurry."-Eddie Johnson aka Best. Commentator. Ever.
By idiots!
Seriously, he is a scorer, but in the offence, that might be an issue. Thing is, he is a better scorer than Goran, so as a player for player replacement, he is a slight upgrade.
brooks has been off this year. But he's still scored 24 points 3 times. as his season high
Goran? his high is 17 3 times
Good point...
And the injury was a big setback. If he can return to form, which I think he will, this could be very good for us.
Jimmer
Is the same player as Brooks but at least Brooks has proven himself in the NBA against a championship Laker team!
Nice, objective write up from Coro:
“Brooks, 26, is a 6-foot, 161-pound guard in his fourth season out of Oregon, where the Suns liked him and nearly drafted him but had concerns about his size. Brooks has taken a step back from last season, when he started 82 games and averaged 19.6 points and 5.3 assists to win NBA Most Improved Player. He had an early-season ankle sprain that sidelined him for 21 consecutive games and he has come off the bench mostly since his return, averaging 11.6 points and 3.8 assists. He is shooting only 34.6 percent from the field and 28.4 percent on 3-pointers and is considered an average defender.
Brooks is on an expiring contract and would be a restricted free agent this summer unless a new collective bargaining agreement changes that.
Dragic, 24, was posting similar averages this season (7.4 points and 3.1 assists) to last season (7.9 and 3.0) but was shooting only 42.1 percent with 27.7 percent 3-point shooting. His plus-minus rating was more than twice as bad as any other Suns rotation player with the Suns losing a point of ground for every four minutes he played.
Dragic will be fondly remembered for that 23-point fourth quarter in Game 3 at San Antonio but he no longer was considered the Steve Nash heir apparent by the new front office. Dragic has a 2011-12 team option remaining on his contract. The Suns take on a very slight prorated remaining salary increase from Dragic’s $1.97 million salary to Brooks’ $2.08 million salary this season. "
So in other words,
people who say Robert Sarver is cheap are WAY off base. Look at that extra salary he’s taking on!
he doesn't need to pay the 1st rounder he just traded
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Actually this is interesting....
because it sounds like part of the move was to establish a bit of distance with the last GMs and their decisions. If Blanks and the FO don’t want to be connected to Dragic’s failings, the smart thing to do is get rid of him, even if it means we are out a player after this year.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
does dragic now start for houston?
and will brooks play alongside nash?
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 3:59 PM MST up reply actions
If that means leading the NBA in rebounding
I can’t wait!
Bo Baggins!
by ajotanelsona on Feb 24, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions
Absolute nonsense...
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
Are you saying that Anthony Tolliver will be taking his talents ot the Valley of the Sun?
SWEET
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 4:19 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for this performance Goran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=846E4rnwOCI
Let’s hope he doesn’t do this to us.
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i saved that in my browser so i can go back to it and cry in a few years...
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look at the bright side
at least steve nash wasn’t dealt. So does this mean we also traded away DragicisMagic to the Rockets version of this website?
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TRADE dragicismagic & Scott Howard???
NOOOOO.
trade coachj14 instead!
Does anybody else even use the sister sites of BSOTS?
or are they all just ghost towns?
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Plenty of them are used.
There are a few ghost towns, but the network has really grown. They are even hiring away writers from ESPN.
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Psh.
I’m a Suns fan. You can trade all the player fans that you want though.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 4:27 PM MST up reply actions
can't happen
NBA rules stipulate that founders for coalitions to set certain players on fire must be contributors to the respective team of said player. SO unless its a deal involving VC and Scott, its a no go… I’d take Yao in a wheel chair and a turd sandwich for those two though…
If Brooks can make teh second unit average...
We’ll kill it. And I sincerely mean AVERAGE.
Dragic was killing us. If Brooks can help Nash can play 30 minutes for the rest of the season, by not sucking so hard we lose every lead w generate, we can be a real surprise packet in the playoffs!
We'll see...
I do think Brooks will be able to create his offense a little more if the bench does fail, so there’s that.
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Maybe we'll get Dragic back in 5 or 6 years
after he becomes an all-star in houston, leading them to a couple conference finals, then instead of signing him to a contract extension, they’ll give tons of money to a center who can’t score. Meanwhile, Sarver will pay the big bucks for what everyone will be calling an aging point guard who ends up leading us back to the top of the NBA
I think in retrospect
it’s hard to imagine that Mark Cuban would even consider choosing Erick Dampier over The Nash.
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by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 10:49 PM MST up reply actions
Does anybody feel like maybe Brooks is the guy who will man the PG spot as a starter if the Suns trade Nash the next year
Like, this is a prepared move to make the transition to a non-Nash era?
Thats what it kinda seems like
but im feel more comfortable with a pg w/ more assists
"Were the type of team that’ll win alot of street fights" Steve Nash 1-29-11 vs. Celtics
Not at all.
"Look, don't relax on Hakim Warrick, Josh Smith. He'll put it on your face in a hurry."-Eddie Johnson aka Best. Commentator. Ever.
I see it as the insurance we hoped we had with Dragic.
After this season’s slump, and confidence issues that resurfaced, I think it scared our FO into going another direction. Not that I think they were actively seeking a trade involving Dragic, but when presented with the opportunity to upgrade the position with a proven talent, they pulled the trigger.
The kicker is, we still need to extend Brooks to a new contract this off-season. If not, the whole trade was a big waste. But if we do, he gives us an instant upgrade at the back-up pg spot and a viable starter for the post Nash years if we haven’t found anyone better.
That was one of the ideas that popped it into my head.
I typed it in the original trade thread and then erased it from my head.
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I literally scanned the whole thread
Trying to see what DiM’s reaction was.
Since she isn’t here, I can concentrate on the actual trade. Goran Dragic was great in the WCF/Playoffs, and the fans loved him, but lately, I noticed that his play had dropped back. I don’t know if it was the broken glass that cut his foot or whatever, but I kind of got the feeling that he was sort of riding off his Playoff feats from last year.
I’ll miss him, but I’m excited. If this can help us even more for a Playoff run, then I’m all for it. Goran Dragic was a great guy, and a good player, but this definitely isn’t the end of the world. Not by a long shot.
I'm on the fence about it
I mean, if I look at this from an emotional aspect it sucks since I love Goran Dragic. he’s just the nicest dude out there. At his best he looks like a top-15 point guard, at his worst he can just look…bleh.
At the start of the year I thought Dragic could honestly win the Sixth Man award….but he’s just taken a huge step back in all categories. His shooting his streaky, his defense is lacking, and he is trying too much to be a facilitator instead of being the slasher that he really is.
As for the first round pick, I could give a crap. There is about 8 decent players in this draft, after that it’s like a DVD Bargain Bin at Wal-Mart.
How short o memories we have though because if at the start of the season I told you we would be trading Goran Dragic and 1st rounder for Aaron Brooks you’d be stoked. Brooks can come here, get his wounds healed by the best training staff in the NBA and really bring something to our second unit. Hell, who knows what a year or two under Steve Nash could do for a guy like Aaron Brooks. He’s already proven that he can put up points, now if we can work on his assist game than we could have our future point guard right now or at the very least we could rehab back into the point guard he was and trade him for something better.
I think it was a wise move for both teams….Two talented, young guys who just need a change of scenery.
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Agree with everything
I like Goran as a player, but his performance on the court had dropped back. I think both him and Aaron Brooks need a change of scenery.
Our medical staff is literally one of the greatest gifts Aaron Brooks could ever have received.
If the bench even gets a little better, the entire team’s performance will get much, much better. Steve Nash should be able to do wonders mentoring him.
I’m excited to see Aaron Brooks join the team.
Yeah, I'm also not very worried about Brooks' lack of defense either
It’s not like Dragic was anything better than average.
"Look, don't relax on Hakim Warrick, Josh Smith. He'll put it on your face in a hurry."-Eddie Johnson aka Best. Commentator. Ever.
In my opinion
The least that could happen is the Bench becomes a little better. And that’s just the least.
Unlike Dragic, Brooks doesn't have an identity crisis.
Dragic tried to do too much at times. He would either focus primarily on facilitating or primarily on scoring. It seems like he had a problem doing both. Aaron Brooks doesn’t have that problem, when the ball is in his hand he’s thinking about scoring. I think Brooks has a better first step and and better burst than Dragic does. I felt at times the one thing our bench was lacking was slasher…Like Barbs but it seems we got what we needed in Brooks.
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Man, two first rounders for Gerald Wallace?
Regardless of how stupid that is suddenly Portland just got a shit load better on defense and rebounding.
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And if Portland needs a first round pick
Paul Allen will step off his yacht and buy one.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 4:28 PM MST up reply actions
Portland didn't get that much better at defense or rebounding
because the guy whose minutes Wallace will take away (Batum), was already an excellent defender, and an above average rebounder. People are making too much over the Portland deal.
The P’s traded for what they already have in spades – another long, atheltic, injury prone guy who gives it his all every night.
Trade Warrick!!!
Huh?
Batum is an average rebounder for his position (4.7 in 32 minutes) Gerald Wallace is arguably the best rebounding 3 in the league with 8.2 in 39 minutes.
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I'll miss Dragic's fancy moves!
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"Were the type of team that’ll win alot of street fights" Steve Nash 1-29-11 vs. Celtics
So, is there any chance we pull off a last minute block buster and trade VC's massive expiring deal?
"Look, don't relax on Hakim Warrick, Josh Smith. He'll put it on your face in a hurry."-Eddie Johnson aka Best. Commentator. Ever.
no wait here it is
"Were the type of team that’ll win alot of street fights" Steve Nash 1-29-11 vs. Celtics
by DuaneBauer on Feb 24, 2011 4:29 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
I'll miss these :(
"Were the type of team that’ll win alot of street fights" Steve Nash 1-29-11 vs. Celtics
Aaron Brooks has his fair share of spectacular moves as well.
Dragic and Brooks for sure have styles of play that mimic each other.
"Look, don't relax on Hakim Warrick, Josh Smith. He'll put it on your face in a hurry."-Eddie Johnson aka Best. Commentator. Ever.
You can find highlights for most every player
I’ll miss Goran, and he was a talented player, but he needed a change of scenery.
rec for the memories
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by sun_equalizer on Feb 24, 2011 4:32 PM MST up reply actions
The Dragon Shake..
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 24, 2011 7:04 PM MST up reply actions
Awesome
Turns out you don’t need to dunk to posterize the other guy.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 7:05 PM MST up reply actions
Also after today, I'd most DEFINITELY want to see LA in the playoffs instead of OKC
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Why? Perkins doesn't scare me now that we have Gortat/Lopez.
"Look, don't relax on Hakim Warrick, Josh Smith. He'll put it on your face in a hurry."-Eddie Johnson aka Best. Commentator. Ever.
I'm not saying we can't guard him.
He’s the one guy who can effectively guard Dwight Howard one on one.
I don’t think he’ll have a problem with Frotat.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Well, then we go small and play Frye at the five and all of a sudden Perkins becomes a lot less scary.
"Look, don't relax on Hakim Warrick, Josh Smith. He'll put it on your face in a hurry."-Eddie Johnson aka Best. Commentator. Ever.
And then suddenly we can't get a rebound
Frye at the 5 is not a good look for us IMO…Chandler tore us up in the 4th when we put Frye at the 5 last week.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
This trade is puzzling to say the least
Chemistry killing ball hog?
Huh? Yes, Brooks is a point first point guard but by no means is the dude a dick.
"Look, don't relax on Hakim Warrick, Josh Smith. He'll put it on your face in a hurry."-Eddie Johnson aka Best. Commentator. Ever.
*Score
"Look, don't relax on Hakim Warrick, Josh Smith. He'll put it on your face in a hurry."-Eddie Johnson aka Best. Commentator. Ever.
Yeah, you're right. I meant propensity to excessively chuck bad shots(saw this at the rockets blog) instead of passing could hurt the chemistry of our second unit
by gophoenixsuns on Feb 24, 2011 4:40 PM MST up reply actions
well, that could be due to talent around him as well as the system...
haven’t seem him play in the Suns uptempo offense yet to make these types of judgments…
We (suns) did need a PG. We (this site) just never really flat out addressed it.
This team, all season, has struggled when Nash is off the floor. Our second unit has not been able to get it done, and countless times, Nash has had to come in early to try and finish off games. If you haven’t noticed, Nash is pretty freaking old, and it’s going to help him a lot to have a backup PG who we can rely on a little more confidently, so we can keep his minutes down. It’s been mentioned that perhaps Goran is not the only one to blame for the 2nd unit, which is probably true, but the second unit needed some sort of change. Hopefully this was the right change to make.
We (as all teams do) still have holes, yes. No one was expecting all of our shortcomings to be fixed in one trade deadline. This was one of them, and we’ll see if it pays off.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 4:38 PM MST up reply actions
Yes, we did not someone to take some of the pressure off Nash, Goran (and Dowdell)did an adueqate job most of the time.
Imo, we needed a pf much more.
by gophoenixsuns on Feb 24, 2011 4:42 PM MST up reply actions
Someone like Paul Millsap(who we almost traded for according to reports)
by gophoenixsuns on Feb 24, 2011 4:42 PM MST up reply actions
The easy part is wanting Millsap, the hard part is actually getting him.
But it’s not like Channing Frye has been a corpse this year. He has been a beast as of late. Nailing threes, improved offensive in the post, better defense, better rebounding, and being able to shoot the ball without being set.
"Look, don't relax on Hakim Warrick, Josh Smith. He'll put it on your face in a hurry."-Eddie Johnson aka Best. Commentator. Ever.
Also, where is this report that we almost traded for Millsap?
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Brooks hasn't played with a team as good as the Suns
He’s a better passer then Dragic. Dragic has more hops.
Brooks is good enough to play against starters. He will torch backups with Suns depth.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 24, 2011 5:09 PM MST up reply actions
Stand up Everybodeh!
And thank the FO for this trade. I figgin loved it from the second.
Look, Dragic has the moves, but he’s lacking greatly in the leadership department, and that was one of the reasons that the bench this year is so much worse than last’s; w/out Barbosa to help lead, Dragic’s dark downside was shown in full HD. Now, w/ a much better leader in Brooks, the 2ed unit will strengthen, and he can also play sg w/ Nash sometimes. I, personally would’ve given them the Orlando pick, though. We were going to draft Jimmer Fredette with that pick! Damn!
Start Dudley! Trade Warrick! Trade Lopez!
Who cares about the pick?
If we don’t make the playoffs we still have a lottery pick, if we do than they get our pick which will only be a few spots higher than Orlando’s anyway.
"Look, don't relax on Hakim Warrick, Josh Smith. He'll put it on your face in a hurry."-Eddie Johnson aka Best. Commentator. Ever.
What do you guys think about some of the other moves?
Gerald Wallace to Portland for two first rounders, Cunningham, and Pryzbilla
Jeff Green and Nenad Kristic to Boston for Nate Robinson and Kendrick Perkins
Shane Battier and Ish Smith to Memphis for Hasheem Thabeet and a first rounder
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I'm confuse about the wallace tade
it may be a steal
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by sun_equalizer on Feb 24, 2011 4:45 PM MST up reply actions
It may hurt them in the long run but I doubt it....
Wallace for sure makes them a better team all around. He’s going to rebound, play great defense and be his normal self on Offense.
I think this is Portland management prepping fans for the fact that the Brandon Roy era is over. Say hello to the LaMarcus Aldridge/Gerald Wallace/Wesley Matthews era.
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I don't know...
Losing Sean Marks could be devastating…
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Bobcats decided to dump salary
That is all you need to know. Cunningham and Pryz contracts expire this season and Wallace makes alot. Portland decided to takes on more luxury tax for this season.
Paul Allen can buy 1st rounders for 3 mil. anytime he wants.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 24, 2011 4:52 PM MST up reply actions
I can't wait to hear the coaches/team reactions
I think Majerle might not be too pleased.
Bo Baggins!
HATE THIS TRADE!
From an emotional stand point. Dragic was the first rookie/ young potential player I watched grow(started to be a suns fan in 2004). He was the first rookie of the nash era which made me cling on to him.
Also all the people that hated him (remember the cutgorandragic.com page?) made me really push for him to do well.
I was emotionally invested in him more than any other suns player. This one hurts
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Feb 24, 2011 4:47 PM MST reply actions
Emotionally it does suck, I love him too but there is no denying that on paper it makes us a better basketball team.
"Look, don't relax on Hakim Warrick, Josh Smith. He'll put it on your face in a hurry."-Eddie Johnson aka Best. Commentator. Ever.
I like it
Mostly because I am an Aaron Brooks fan and I was disappointed when he slipped in the draft and the Suns didn’t draft him.
In the short term it makes Suns better and allows the Suns to lower Nash’s minutes which is crucial.
I will miss Dragic. His best hoops are yet to come. Unless he ends up being the Slovenian Ginobili then I think Suns got best of this deal.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 24, 2011 4:48 PM MST reply actions
I told sarver to man up but I forgot one thing
He is a fucking moron. Aaron Brooks is more SG than PG; he can “score” when he has the ball in his hands a ton (Which certainly isnt a good thing for the team that employs him because Aaron Brooks is ball dominant). I liked that sarver tried for Milsap and the Jazz are stupid for NOT trading Milsap here when they already have al jefferson, derrick favoirs, and Okur booked. Either way this is certainly not a sarver-esque move and I am confident in saying that. If anything sarver would try to save money, but instead he gave away a better player and a draft pick; this is just a very dumb move by the FO
Let Josh Childress play
by Bkj on Feb 24, 2011 4:49 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
A lot of teams made deals for a better future, the suns just traded their future away along with a draft pick
Let Josh Childress play
Brooks is the present and the future
He also has the potential to succeed Steve Nash and I was not looking forward to the day Nash is traded or retires. Now I at least have some hope that the Suns won’t completely fall off when that happens.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 24, 2011 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
Goran's play had dropped
Are you sure your not just viewing this from an emotional view point? We’re all sad to see Goran go, but Aaron Brooks is the future. You act like Goran was playing fantastic Offense and Defense. He wasn’t playing that good Offense, and his Defense wasn’t that good either. The least that happens is Aaron Brooks improves the Bench. That’s just the least.
Goran is a talented player who’ll do good for the Rockets, but he needed a change of scenery. This is a good trade by both teams.
Well, our future sucked if it was a 23 year old who regressed from last year.
Aaron Brooks at the start of the year was a fringe top-ten point guard. We got a steal.
Who gives a crap about the draft pick? This is a horrible draft class.
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by TheRza82 on Feb 24, 2011 5:02 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
24.
25 in 3 months.
It’s odd to me how some people seem to be under the impression Goran was producing 7/4 as a 19 year old or something.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 5:08 PM MST up reply actions
and that Brooks is way older
with no upside, while Dragic has all the upside in the world because of his youth
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because of his physical tools IMO
not because of his youth
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Aaron Brooks has all of the physical tools that Goran has
Except he’s faster and already proven.
"Look, don't relax on Hakim Warrick, Josh Smith. He'll put it on your face in a hurry."-Eddie Johnson aka Best. Commentator. Ever.
does he really?
Brooks can’t finish at the rim like Goran can.
Brooks is my height(short).
Brooks is not the defender Goran is.
Brooks does not have Goran’s midrange game.
I mean…he’s got blinding quickness, fearlessness, and a decent 3 point shot. But what else?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
All this talk about what Goran has and can do...
can you honestly say you saw him DO any of these things this season? His play has been sporadic. Whether or not it was so bad that he had to be traded, I don’t know. But fact of the matter is, Goran had a lot in his arsenal but what good is it if it’s not put to use?
Goodbye, Goran. Hello, Aaron.
Has aaron brooks ever had 23 point in the fourth quarter of a playoff game against a superb defensive team?
Goran Dragic regressed but look at the players surrounding him when he takes the court; there is rarely any spacing considering Gortat plays exclusively with nash as with Robin, that leaves Pietrus (Chucker) Hakim (Not very good) and Jared Dudley
Let Josh Childress play
No but he did average nearly 17 a game in the playoffs in 2009
And shoot 42% from three just for the hell of it.
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 5:10 PM MST up reply actions
Derek fisher had to chase him around in the second round of that series; he fucked fisher up so badly
which inflated his stats. Point guards these days are built stronger, Brooks gets manhandled when he plays guys like Deron williams and derrick roses. Also, what makes you think he would want to stay? He wont get many inutes behind Nash because he is a score first point guard and doesnt run the offense from a purely natural point guard standpoint. He is going to bolt the second his contract is up; he HATES coming off the bench. Thats what he was complaining about and he straight up walked off the court because he was frustratedt hat Kyle Lowry got his spot in the lineup
Let Josh Childress play
As has been mentioned many times in this thread,
coming off the bench behind Kyle Lowry is one thing, but coming off the bench behind Steve Nash is an entirely different situation.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 5:16 PM MST up reply actions
Ah I gotcha! So because he will LOVE playing behind nash he'll just come in play 15 whole minutes and be chill with it
as if playing behind nash fixes all over lifes problems.
Let Josh Childress play
See Scott's comment below.
He had the right to be pissed about coming off the bench behind Lowry.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 5:20 PM MST up reply actions
I'd straight up walk off the court if Kyle Lowry had my starting job too
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 5:17 PM MST up reply actions
How awesome are you when you can't get your starting job back from Kyle Lowry?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Very awesome?
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 5:25 PM MST up reply actions
The team is straight up not playing him
That’s different than Brooks’ situation. Come on now.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I know I don't post here a ton,
but pretty much everything I say is facetious. Just like the Sarver comment above. However, there is an element of truth to it as well: Brooks was clearly not on management’s good side this season after coming back from the injury, and the decision to start Lowry ahead of him is not based solely on talent.
If we're aiming for a big, muscular white guy
I say bring back Louis Amundsen. He was great off the bench, grabbed boards, shut down opponents on D. It was more than just the ponytail that made him a force to be reckoned with.
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by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 8:15 PM MST up reply actions
he's not awesome
not anymore
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 7:15 PM MST up reply actions
Weird to see Hamilton warming the bench for the Pistons.
In five years, the dude goes from a centerpiece for their ’00s championship teams, to a benchwarmer.
He may not be as young as he used to be, but I think Rip Hamilton deserves better than 12th man.
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by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 7:56 PM MST up reply actions
The Draft this year is terrible
and Brooks > Dragic anyday
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uhhhh, he was the full-time starting 1 for a pretty good Rockets team last year and won the MIP...
We have witnessed what happens to the Suns when Nash leaves the floor and Dragic takes over… Stagnant, turnovers, “discombobulatory” play overall… I love Dragic as much as the rest of you, but would take a guy that is basically the same age, and has developed much quicker without Nash tutelage. What do you think could happen with some play behind Nash? Maybe he learns a thing or two, and maybe he does it while still shooting well and giving Nash some actual rest. You can’t tell me that Nash actually benefits from his “rest” when the fourth quarter starts and the team squanders a double digit lead night in and night out….
Great point
When Steve Nash leaves the game, we lose the lead. That’s what was happening. We needed a PG who could actually score some points.
Like I said, I’ll miss Goran too, and I think he’ll do good with the Rockets, but this is a good trade for both teams.
Really, So you are going to rely on a 6'0 point guard who is shooting 35% from the floor and 28% from three,
has been a miserable wreck coming off teh bench this season for Houston and averages 4 assists per game? He shoots 41 % from the field on his career, 36.5% from deep averages 2 turnovers and 3.6 assists as well. Did I mention that he is an absolutely miserable defender and that height disadvanatge is a cause for him not always being able to finish at the rim? That sounds great to me though!
Let Josh Childress play
When it's with the Suns players and not Houston's players
I think Brooks can return to what he did last year. he’s super fast which will fit great.
I also think he will take less bad shots in Suns system.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 24, 2011 5:13 PM MST up reply actions
He is not going to stay here. just think about it, he is playing behind nash; do you think gentry will play nash even less minutes
so that he can squeeze Brooks in for his desired 30+ minutes?
Let Josh Childress play
Actually, yeah.
Probably not that much, but I think one of the best things about this trade is that Nash can rest more.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 5:18 PM MST up reply actions
Aaron Brooks isnt a point guard and this team lacks the talent for nash not to play at least
30 minutes; unless you want brooks to play more sg, then there is no way brooks get more than 16 a night (Ndragic was getting around 13 minutes)
Let Josh Childress play
The Suns are going to want to rest Steve Nash
As much as possible. So, Aaron Brooks is going to get a lot of playing minutes.
So how many minutes do you propose nash gets when you say brooks will get a lot of PT?
Let Josh Childress play
Can't answer that...
Since we don’t know how well our 2nd unit will play with Brooks until they step out on the court. Let’s wait for that first, man.
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the extra minutes that NAsh would’ve rested if the 2nd unit could play marginally well, enough so to maintain a lead rather than squander it…
Exactly
The Bench wasn’t performing well enough to maintain leads and keep Steve Nash out of the game. We need Steve Nash as rested as possible.
They made this move because the Bench wasn’t performing well enough. This will improve them.
I seem to recall
that when we had Raja and Leandro coming off the bench, Nash being out wasn’t the catastrophe that it is now.
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by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 7:57 PM MST up reply actions
oh it was
Nash averaged more minutes in those years.
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We gotta do something
so that Steve isn’t carrying the whole team by himself. No matter how good he is. This is a problem, that the Suns fall apart when Nash takes 30 seconds to breathe and drink some water.
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by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 8:02 PM MST up reply actions
Unless Skii is Alvin Gentry,
he probably doesn’t know. The point still remains that Brooks can likely provide more rest to Nash than Dragic could. But as NashMV3 says, let’s just wait and see.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 5:29 PM MST up reply actions
Okay, but I find it ridiculous when someone says its just simple, because it isnt.
Dragic couldnt find time in the rotation and so his played dipped, so they gave up on him. It wont surprise me when Brooks leaves and the suns are shellshocked that they traded their best bet at pg for a player that was almost certain to leave the valley of the sun. Think about it with honesty. Do you really think brooks would choose to play elsewhere and get big minutes and get paid the midlevel as he is now, or remain here behind nash where he will be playing limited minutes and upset that he went from being the star of his team two seasons ago to a benchwarmer?
Let Josh Childress play
The concept is simple, but carrying it out never is.
When our backup PG is playing well, it’s safe to let Nash get some rest and cut down on his PT. But it’s easier said than done since Goran’s play has been sporadic for almost the entire season.
And considering the situation our team is in with our current record, Gentry felt it was more important to put Nash back in early so we can add more to the win column. We’re on the outside looking in in this playoff race, so it’s a tough call for Gentry to make.
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Whatever the game dictates
no set number. But I’ll put money on it that his average minutes go down while Suns winning % goes up.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 24, 2011 5:38 PM MST up reply actions
Hopefully, Brooks will play a lot of garbage time
when we are blowing other teams the hell out in the 4Q.
Trade Warrick!!!
Thank you.
It’s really that simple. And Aaron Brooks is much more reliable for that position than Dragic was.
by iwasneveryoung on Feb 24, 2011 5:26 PM MST up reply actions
Really? So why didnt dragic get more pt in 2009-2010? Cause that was the year of Dragic.
Curious how now that some guy who has a reputation as a scorer comes here it is okay for nash’s minutes to dip below thirty but when we had a better than average pg was here Nash HAD to play 30+ minutes on a nightly basis
Let Josh Childress play
The reason Steve Nash had to play 30+ minutes
Was because the Bench wasn’t able to maintain the lead. Goran was/has been ineffective lately. He wasn’t able to repeat the success he had in the Playoffs last year. He wasn’t scoring much, and he wasn’t playing Defense much.
I think he’ll do good in a change of scenery, playing for the Rockets. But he wasn’t producing for us. The least Aaron Brooks can do is play as good as Goran did for us this season.
the year of Dragic?
Let’s not confuse the playoffs with the entire season… He played “spectatcular” in comparison to his rookie year, but it wasn’t like he was averaging anywhere close to 10 points per game, in fact, his season stats are about the same as last year’s thus far…
Yeah, but his defense was golden and the suns did not blow as many leads when he was on the floor
but I’ll stop arguing becasue A) I dont want to be banned and B) Dragic’s poor play has nothing for me to show up for but again, Brooks has six more minutes per game this season than dragic and Brooks’ per 36 numbers are not very much better than dragic’s per 36 numbers
Let Josh Childress play
Yes
Because it will allow the Suns to use Nash for more games for effectively. Have you ever noticed when Nash gets tired and loses a step?
Playing behind a legend is a lot different then having your job stole by Kyle Lowry when you were injured.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 24, 2011 5:20 PM MST up reply actions
I absolutely think Gentry will be able to play Nash less now
How many times this year has he had to go back too early b/c Goran couldn’t do a damn thing on the floor?
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by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 5:20 PM MST up reply actions
Fine, whatever. I dont really care. But what happens if brooks cant score either??
He is shooting 35% from the field mond you, but apparently his coming to phoenix will suddenly make him a better point guard and a better finisher at the rim. Dragic sucked flat out this season, but I really do not see Brooks as much of an improvement. And again, Nash getting rest is like having nash play 29 minutes he is still the heart and soul of this franchise. Where are the minutes going to come from? Dragic could at least play the two and was a good defender. Brooks cant do either
Let Josh Childress play
If Brooks can't score either
Then things will be pretty much normal. But I doubt that’ll happen, because he’s a talented scorer.
Like I’ve been saying, the least that can happen is the bench improves. That’s the least.
Dragic wasn't very good at the two
That’s why they stopped playing him there.
Brooks’ speed in the Suns offense will make up for his lack of size.
Brooks is liability on D, but he will be playing backups. That sounds nice to me. Name a better backup PG in the NBA.
It might be a lateral move for the Suns, but I appreciate the effort by the front office for a playoff push this season.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 24, 2011 5:49 PM MST up reply actions
You got me there, but brooks wont be around after this season and I'm willing to put my life savings and
the deed to my parent’s beverly hills house on it.
Let Josh Childress play
You are judging way too early
You can’t assume that this trade is good or bad just based on stats or bias comments. Face it, Dragic has been playing terrible this season, and our FO saw that he wasn’t getting it done, plain and simple. Last year Barbosa and Lou were huge contributors to Dragic’s to success imo. They’re both gone, and Dragic’s production has dropped.
Is he a good PG? sure. But not good enough to facilitate without having to rely on other players to help him. This is why I think Brooks can help us. If our training staff can get him healthy again, I’m confident that he’ll bring a lot more to this team than we think.
And if I’m wrong, well, ok then I’ll accept that. After all, it’s just my opinion on this whole situation right now.
Im not judging it on bias, I have even acknowledged that dragic has been terrible this season.
I mean I have watched a few games of brooks (I’ve watched him 8 times year round when he played the La teams and more than that if I include the number of times I have watched him play against the suns) enough to compare him against dragic. And this season is a key indicator why he isnt very good at the guard position. He has been a mess (LIke dragic) coming off the bench and right now I may be judging without reason, but I feel like this is the worst move they could have made right now. Dragic has potential and a solid future and brooks is questionable on remaining here. That said, the suns made a risky move, when they could have waited and made a stronger move at the draft or inquired about pf’s like Josh smith, Brandan Wright, Austin Daye or something along those lines
Let Josh Childress play
It sure did feel like Dowdell was much more efficient than Goran out there....
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I am willing to bet
That if goran does not step on that glass and they didnt get a look at another guy (dowdell) running the second unit we would be talking about the trades the suns didnt make instead of this one.
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When you mention those numbers...
…I’m even less excited about Aaron Brooks. This looks like a trade for a player we didn’t really need who isn’t going to make us any better.
Dragic was losing playing time to Dowdell. Who’s to say that Dowdell won’t outshine Brooks in the same position?
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by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 6:20 PM MST up reply actions
Who’s to say that Dowdell won’t outshine Brooks in the same position?
lets not get ridiculous now
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Goran
lost one stint to Dowdell in his first game back after being out three weeks…come on now
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 7:16 PM MST up reply actions
and btw
it’s not like Zabian played well either
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 7:16 PM MST up reply actions
I'm with you guys.
I liked Goran Dragic, a lot. If he just had a temporary setback this season, then it’s a shame that the front office was so quick to move him. I really would like to see Brooks do well in Phoenix, but yeah, I had that soft spot for Goran because he’s basically a kid who’s living out his dream, and I wanted Phoenix to be the right place for him.
I’m interested to see what Brooks can do in Coach G’s system. I may question this move, but I also remember that we as fans booed Steve Nash, Michael Finley and Dan Majerle when they were drafted by the Suns, yet many of us cheered for Mario Bennett’s drafting, and others thought Shaquille O’Neal would be perfect for fighting the Spurs in the postseason.
Pass me the Tapatio. I’d love to eat my hat on this one.
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by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 7:34 PM MST up reply actions
Ugh, I would of LOVED Millsap in a Suns Uni. I have rosterbated to that thought on several occasions.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=rotowire-aronrooksradedtohoen
Update: As expected, Brooks has been traded to Phoenix for Goran Dragic(notes) and a first-round pick.
Recommendation: Brooks has been one of the biggest disappointments in fantasy this season, and that trend will likely continue now that he’s playing for the Suns. We find it hard to believe Brooks’ playing time will increase much now that he’s backing up Steve Nash(notes).
Thank you Yahoo. That really gives us a lot of confidence.
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He was just sour that Lowry stole his job
This affords Suns to rest Nash more by being able to score better when he is on bench.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 24, 2011 4:54 PM MST up reply actions
Yahoo! blows, dude.
They don’t like any teams except the LA Kobes, the Miami Ego and the Boston Geriatrics.
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by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 6:54 PM MST up reply actions
When is the trade deadline over? Any chance we make another move?
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it was 3pm EST
but there is time after the deadline for teams to finalize the trades with the league which is why some of the moves were announced after the deadline…
I had a brief flash of panic when I heard Suns traded for Brooks.
Because I though it might mean that they trade Nash as well.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 24, 2011 5:00 PM MST up reply actions
Outside of The Melo/Williams/Jeff Green deals it was a fairly quiet deadline.
I wonder if in a few days any reports will surface of the Suns trying to move VC’s expiring deal or use our TPE.
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7.5 trades or something like that.
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Craziest trade deadline in a looooooonnnnnnng time.
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I am worried about the future
Brooks wants to start and is a RFA. He’s gonna wanna get paid to start and play big minutes. He’s not going to want to stay in PHX as a backup PG.
Trade Warrick!!!
I thought I read that he has another season on his contract
Team option?
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 24, 2011 5:21 PM MST up reply actions
no
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 24, 2011 5:43 PM MST up reply actions
this fucking sucks.
that’s all.
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by Jareth Cutestory on Feb 24, 2011 5:15 PM MST reply actions
I've never seen this much talent traded at the deadline
But the sheer number of trades was low.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 24, 2011 5:17 PM MST reply actions
I heard a rumor that the glass incident pushed the Suns FO to consider trading him.
Sounds weird, I know. Apparently, it wasn’t so much that he stepped on glass per se, but that he was stepping backwards when he did it. Can’t reveal my source, sorry (escape goat).
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you bahahahahahaastrarrd!
but yes, this is what i heard. can’t reveal my source, sorry (Scott Howard).
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what, too soon?
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God I hate school.
I miss out on all the insanely irrational babble that comes with a trade reaction. This reminds me of the trade with the Magic. Major lolz. We’ll all eventually come to terms with it when Brooks starts playing for us and helping us win games. I live for all this calamity.
My reaction: it’s a good deal IMO. I always liked Brooks and if he’s going to be our backup PG, we could really use his scoring since our 2nd unit always has problems in that regard. It’s sad to see Goran go since I’ve grown fond of him, but this is a business….
The only thing I’m questioning is: what does this mean long-term? Brooks might possibly end up being a rental since he’ll be a restricted free agent this summer depending on the CBA, so what does this mean for us long-term?
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some say its preparation for moving Nash...
as brooks will be his replacement.
I think that is BS
I know Alex buys into it a little but I think its total bunk. Nash isn’t going anywhere unless HE wants to.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
all I buy into is that Suns FO wanted a little more certain insurance just in case. But I also believe that Sarver values wins and ticket sales too much to not hold onto Nash as long as possible.
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Every player that comes to Phoenix is always "really excited" to be here.
If he’s being sincere, his play and attitude should reflect it. If not, then we’re lucky he’s just here until the end of the season, ala Vince Carter.
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Well, yeah, they all say that...
But I was judging by listening to him live on the radio…It’s a little harder to fake the right answers and tone in an interview than it is in a prepared statement.
He sounds legitimately enthusiastic to come here, and especially to play with a nd learn from Nash. but as you said, we’ll see when he starts playing.
idled?
That sounds….horrible…
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All I can think
is that memorable game from Dragic in the SA series. I mean… :(
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But... man...
That was one of the most joyfull moments of my life. I know it kind of makes me a little sad (and a loser, I guess), but it trully was.
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by Diego Queiroz on Feb 24, 2011 5:47 PM MST up reply actions
I loved that game too
But I took your comment the wrong way. I thought you meant that you hated this game because Goran Dragic had a great game last season in the Playoffs.
Guess I over-evaluated your post.
Nah...
I really don’t have anything to say about this trade yet. I’m still in shock. But I like Brooks. I mean, he was the starting PG of a team that made it to the 2nd round of the WC. And he was leading the team. He is a better player than Dragic (at least right now).
But Dragic is one of my favorite players. And I didn’t expect him to go anywhere. I tought he was the poing guard of the future. But the future is just blank now.
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by Diego Queiroz on Feb 24, 2011 6:14 PM MST up reply actions
He said on radio that he still has to fly out here to Phxand then will catch up with the team on the road trip...
I’m thinking he misses tomorrow’s game, but will likely play Sunday or Monday at the latest.
how many games did carter, MP and MG missed due to physical test?
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by sun_equalizer on Feb 24, 2011 5:56 PM MST up reply actions
I'm worried that DiM isn't here yet.
Hopefully she has some after school thing or something
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I'd imagine Beavis would've committed suicide
if we traded Dudley to the Celtics.
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for paul pierce?
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by sun_equalizer on Feb 24, 2011 5:49 PM MST up reply actions
Who needs Paul Pierce when we have Grant BAMF Hill?
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sorry
I just wanted hill to play for just 25 min a game so he will be fresh for the playoffs. pierce might be a decent back up
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by sun_equalizer on Feb 24, 2011 5:53 PM MST up reply actions
I think most people have calmed down now
I mean, I was sort of shocked in the initial minutes. Now, I like the trade.
just imagine if Goran is playing well, we might win a lot of games way way back
if aaron will play a better basketball, we might finished as high as number 6 or 5
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by sun_equalizer on Feb 24, 2011 5:55 PM MST up reply actions
It's the way of the fan.
I love all the irrational comments and emotions. It’s fun.
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A neutral perspective
I live in SoCal, and most of the people I’ve heard out here (mostly talk radio hosts) love the deal and think we ripped the Rockets off
Well, im here.
I don’t know what to do anymore. I’ve already sobbed myself dry and seem to have just uncovered another reservoir of tears in my typing of this.
I don’t want to rationalize this right now. I don’t want to hear about Aaron Brooks either, because frankly, the guy has always irritated me.
I just want to eat the most fattening dinner imaginable, crawl into my bed, and cry some more.
Earlier today I was going to say how upset I was about missing several games this week due to the musical at school. But honestly, now I’m glad. I’m in no mood to watch this team play for awhile.
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Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 24, 2011 5:56 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I'm with you DIM
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by sun_equalizer on Feb 24, 2011 5:56 PM MST up reply actions
I've been down that road a couple of times already, this isnt as bad, but I feel you DIM
Let Josh Childress play
emotions aside....
The Suns might be better, but only time will tell… All you can do is continue supporting the team.
I already ate some ice cream and now I'm eating salsa straight out of the jar :(
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
and, i think the Suns will regret this.
(Btw, I’m still a Suns fan, obviously. This in no way changes that. But I honestly have never felt such shock and betrayal from one of my sports teams.) D’:
OH
WHYYYYYYYYY DID THEY DO THIS?!!!!!!!!!!
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 24, 2011 5:59 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
We are all surprise, i thought Goran is "untouchable" on trading matters, etc
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by sun_equalizer on Feb 24, 2011 6:00 PM MST up reply actions
Working out will help you more then fattening food.
Trust me on this.. Get on the elliptical & run till u can’t no more..
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by Aztiramtempe on Feb 24, 2011 6:08 PM MST up reply actions
Lol.. What do u call it then???
Swinging???
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by Aztiramtempe on Feb 24, 2011 6:35 PM MST up reply actions
better
:) I just had a vision of trying to run on one of those things…
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This is actually a great suggestion...
I always tell my friends when they go through a breakup to go do something physical that they like and do it till they drop. Its the cure for a broken heart.
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I feel worst for you, and for Goran
but I don’t feel bad for the Suns. They got better, really.
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This makes me sad, even though I like the trade.
I can’t imagine how I’d react or what I’d do when we no longer have Steve Nash.
But I’d recommend 2 pints of Ben & Jerry’s to go along with that fattening dinner. Some KFC wouldn’t hurt either.
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As long as he retires instead of traded I think I'll be able to handle it.
Then I’ll give him a standing ovation wherever I happen to be when I find out.
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by TheAlexSkinner on Feb 24, 2011 6:01 PM MST up reply actions
Ew!!!!!! Please don't even bring that up yet.,
I will cry myself to sleep when that happens..
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by Aztiramtempe on Feb 24, 2011 6:02 PM MST up reply actions
Don't worry, I cried too.
In school, on my drive home, on my horse, when I got back home, just know I’m with you eating comfort food, and crawling into bed as soon as possible.
Amare was my favorite player
I didn’t feel like rooting for the Suns after he left really….but I couldn’t stop rooting for them and I’m still a fan of STAT.
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Too bad the FO made the same mistake they made with Barkley.
Which was making him want to leave in the first place.
Oh well. Kerr’s gone. All we can do now is hope the new guys know what they’re doing.
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by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 6:46 PM MST up reply actions
It's a bit tougher for her...
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
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gambo is such a xenophobe
is anybody listening to this right now?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I had to google that word.
Then I realize that it basically describes rush limbaugh & that radio station I’m force to listen to all day..
I think you'll find that I'm universally recognized as a mature and responsible adult.
by Aztiramtempe on Feb 24, 2011 6:07 PM MST up reply actions
forced?
Want epic? Go to Bright Side of the Sun threads. We're more Homer than homer.
Well.. I really can't tell my boss I hate her radio can I???
I think you'll find that I'm universally recognized as a mature and responsible adult.
by Aztiramtempe on Feb 24, 2011 6:16 PM MST up reply actions
You could,
but you better have a good explanation why.
Want epic? Go to Bright Side of the Sun threads. We're more Homer than homer.
Sigh* I was hoping an anonymous letter would do the job.,
I think you'll find that I'm universally recognized as a mature and responsible adult.
by Aztiramtempe on Feb 24, 2011 6:21 PM MST up reply actions
It would,
I need an address. I could put escape goat on this too if he would pull more sway
Want epic? Go to Bright Side of the Sun threads. We're more Homer than homer.
Is he making some anti-slovenian sentiments or something
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I heard that
He’s a fucking clown. Thinks that’s funny stuff and doesn’t even realize how offensive it probably is
Founder of the Coalition to Light Vince Carter On Fire (CTLVCOF)
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Feb 24, 2011 9:06 PM MST up reply actions
Just saw Dudley's Twitter response...
First:
@JaredDudley619 RT @OrGil4: did u hear about goran dragic’s trade? ( we just landed, i just heard now, CRAZY!!Goran will be missed.Welcome Aaron Brooks)
Immediately after:
@JaredDudley619 WOW the celts traded Perkins!!! They got back a great young talent in J.Green..but Will see if they miss him in the playoffs..
LOL… it seemed like he just skipped right over it. Almost more interested in Celtics trading Perkins (I know he isn’t, but it was just funny how that immediately followed the initial tweet.)
He later followed it up with:
@JaredDudley619 RT @Jordaan_KIDS: do you think aaron is going to fit in well? ( YES, he was most improved player last yr, made the most 3’s in the NBA)
So it sounds like he is pretty supportive of the move overall…
And then he moves on with his usual tweet asking people where the best place to eat whichever city he’s in.
Twitter: @FredLegittt
by modernage13 on Feb 24, 2011 6:14 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
yes old school duds
Never Fear. Grant Hill is Here.
by sun_equalizer on Feb 24, 2011 6:16 PM MST up reply actions
he's very consistent
Want epic? Go to Bright Side of the Sun threads. We're more Homer than homer.
A guy I sometimes play ball/train with is one of Aaron Brook
Want epic? Go to Bright Side of the Sun threads. We're more Homer than homer.
's best friends
what message should I tell him to pass on?
Want epic? Go to Bright Side of the Sun threads. We're more Homer than homer.
"Don't give the ball to Mickael Pietrus."
"Any offense without Nash is not going to be as good as an offense with Nash." - Eutychus
by PHXSunsRunNGun on Feb 24, 2011 6:35 PM MST up reply actions
"Stay out of South Phoenix and Apache Junction."
Other than that, consider Phoenix your playground. We welcome you.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 7:03 PM MST up reply actions
He could give us a
Eddie house flair,only a little more balanced as a whole on offense.Defense?Well lets just talk about his o!
Lover,Poet,Suns fan,All around damn good guy.
March 8, Houston @ Phoenix
We can reasonably expect a magnificent standing ovation.
The thing is, I cannot imagine Goran Dragic in another jersey than ours.
"After the game, my teammates congratulated and joked around with me. Alvin came to me and said, "Kid, you see? Every game you can play like that!" The players were joking around with me, calling me Goran Jordan"
wearing a red jersey
Dragic will look like a red chinese dragon
Never Fear. Grant Hill is Here.
by sun_equalizer on Feb 24, 2011 6:26 PM MST up reply actions
Sorta like...
…Chinese League superstar Stephon Marbury.
Oops. Sorry… I know I’m not supposed to mention that name.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 6:28 PM MST up reply actions
It takes time... you get used to it.
Seeing Charles Barkley wear number 4 on those ugly-as-sin Rockets uniforms from the 90s was bizarre for a while. I’m more concerned that Dragic will want payback and bring his A game every time he plays Phoenix from now on.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 6:27 PM MST up reply actions
Good point.
This may work in our favor after all.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 6:38 PM MST up reply actions
K this is probably VERY unlikely
but maybe the FO traded Dragic in the hopes that he would start in HOU and develop, and intend to get him back when he’s all good and developed, a la Nash?
"Any offense without Nash is not going to be as good as an offense with Nash." - Eutychus
no, escape goat confirmed that it was because he took a step backwards
on glass
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by Will Slaven on Feb 24, 2011 6:27 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
hoping for best
Never Fear. Grant Hill is Here.
by sun_equalizer on Feb 24, 2011 6:27 PM MST up reply actions
59% don't like the trade
can we do another poll after 2 weeks? same question, maybe different result
Never Fear. Grant Hill is Here.
If Aaron Brooks comes in an kills it,
I am ready and willing to eat my hat.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 6:31 PM MST up reply actions
a poll on March 8th, will sum it up
Never Fear. Grant Hill is Here.
by sun_equalizer on Feb 24, 2011 6:32 PM MST up reply actions
Its quite ironic to see 700+ comments and 1300+ votes
for a backup PG traded for another backup PG.
maybe Suns fan are believers, emotional, and other adjective you might think.
but yes, i love how we reacted on this trade.
Never Fear. Grant Hill is Here.
Well, technically...
Although Brooks has already proven he is a viable starter in this league, and I have no doubt he can get there again. However, I have no idea if he is included in our long-term plans…That pesky RFA is looming.
The mean people in the yahoo boards
call us the delusional side of the sun.,
I think you'll find that I'm universally recognized as a mature and responsible adult.
by Aztiramtempe on Feb 24, 2011 6:39 PM MST up reply actions
deep down, they’re jealous. BSotS and yahoo message boards are not in the same universe.
Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun
For real,
That’s like comparing filet mignon to a Big Mac.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 6:41 PM MST up reply actions
Suns fans
aren’t bandwagoners like Lakers fans are. I stood by the Suns during the Barkley era, during the disastrous ‘97 campaign where we started 0-13 before acquiring Jason Kidd, and I’m still here now.
I think Phoenix’s fans have an exceptionally high level of Give A Damn.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 6:40 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Mixed emotions
Another huge Goran fan here. What he did last year in Game 3 simply amazed me and ever since I have wanted nothing but for him to succeed. I hope he finds his way in Houston and becomes the All Star we all had him pegged as and he pulls a Nash and comes back.
On that note I hope Brooks can bring the second unit offence back to what it once was and we can instill some defence into him. My only problem is Im still not convinced Goran was the problem with the bench.
is he a nash in the making? the path,
maybe after x years he will return to Phoenix and give us 2 MVP’s
Never Fear. Grant Hill is Here.
by sun_equalizer on Feb 24, 2011 6:45 PM MST up reply actions
I hear ya...
While I don’t think we can blame all of the bench’s woes on Dragic, there’s no doubt he at least held a big part of the responsibility. He was too flustered at times, and still had noticeable confidence issues.
My biggest concern with Aaron Brooks is his RFA status after this season…I’d hate to lose Dragic and a first round pick for nothing.
Totaly agree
He was obviously lacking confidence and Im not sure his international play over summer was such a good idea. But a huge problem I see this year with the 2nd unit is the other guys aren’t moving without the ball like they did last year, leaving Goran just dribbling around. I also think that had this happened last year Goran would have just become a scorer but he has serious issues with scoring this year.
I'm going to wear my Dragic shirts everyday for the rest of the week.
Oh geez, I feel a compelling need to write a fan post.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 24, 2011 6:45 PM MST reply actions
a tribute to Dragon
Never Fear. Grant Hill is Here.
by sun_equalizer on Feb 24, 2011 6:46 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah. A letter, of sorts.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 24, 2011 6:47 PM MST up reply actions
Plus, Goran is only 25
He idolizes Steve Nash. Maybe he’ll pull a Nash in a few years and come back to Phoenix.
Nash and Cedric Ceballos both came back.
Maybe we’ll see Goran in purple and orange again someday.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 6:51 PM MST up reply actions
if we do end up burning VC, will he rise from the ashes and end up on PHX again?
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Feb 24, 2011 8:33 PM MST up reply actions
First we'd have to cut a deal
with the aliens who kidnapped the real Vince Carter and replaced him with defective clone the Suns have playing SG.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 8:55 PM MST up reply actions
that would be very good...
for Goran to come back. I hope he does. In his short time here, guy really got our hearts..
Goran is a dragon, not a phoenix.
Especially not now…
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
Green Bay Packers: Super Bowl XLV Champions!!!!
Never.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 24, 2011 6:47 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
So, none of our moves addressed the Suns' PF situation.
Do you think they still have Taylor Griffin’s phone number in the team directory?
- MarsupialRogue
I think they're happy
with big minutes for Frye…
thats great as long as he’s playing hard
Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun
I've always like Channing Frye.
Hometown hero, AZ born and raised. I’m glad the Suns let him stick around to develop his game, unlike (insert name of any Suns draft pick since, well… pretty much ever).
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 7:22 PM MST up reply actions
Do you think we could score Dwight Howard in 2012
with a Max Contract and a stake in the Majerle Group?
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 7:23 PM MST up reply actions
One question
Aaron Brooks doesn’t seem to be the type of guy who can be effective playing just 13-15 minutes per game. I would think he needs 20+ to make a positive impact; do you think the FO is trying to limit Nash’s minutes to around 27 minutes per?
"Any offense without Nash is not going to be as good as an offense with Nash." - Eutychus
Makes sense to me.
We’ve been riding Nash pretty hard these last few years. Keeping the South African Supernova fresh for our playoff arch-enemies (Lakers and Spurs) would be smart.
Now that I’ve had some time to think about this trade… I’m liking it.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 7:09 PM MST up reply actions
But the strategy is also completely useless if we end up not making the playoffs because we're losing games with Nash on the bench for extended periods.
"I'm a nobody." - Steve Nash in 1997
by PHXSunsRunNGun on Feb 24, 2011 7:13 PM MST up reply actions
I agree 100%
He’s our leader, our most effective weapon and a guaranteed Hall of Famer.
But we’re relying on him now the way the Lakers were using Kobe for everything after Shaq left. As much as it sucks, Nash is reaching the end of his playing days, and we’re already screwed when he’s not playing. Bad situation.
Hmm… this might not be the problem it is if Amare were still around to pick up the slack on offense.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 7:19 PM MST up reply actions
+1
"I'm a nobody." - Steve Nash in 1997
by PHXSunsRunNGun on Feb 24, 2011 7:13 PM MST up reply actions
I think it may be in some other teams heads
That when Nash sits they say “OK Nash is out, we can attempt to guard now”
I can dream can’t I?
Holy shit.
I’m still not over the initial shock, it’s been a day of tears, ice cream and Jamba Juice and cuddling with my Goran pillow. I really hate the trade, I don’t really understand the benefits except that Goran will very likely blossom in Houston in what may be a starters role and possibly big minutes.
I keep telling myself we lost Nash too, and when he signed with us again he had two MVP seasons right in a row. I can honestly only hope that’s what happens next. He’s been my favorite player since he was a rookie, and even though he stepped backwards this year, I know he’s loaded with potential and he really will do great things once he fully develops. I’ll miss Goran and I’ll hate Brooks, and I’ll feel bad that Robin lost his best friend.
The only thought really running through my head is “THIS MAKES NO SENSE I HATE THIS TRADE POOR ROBIN OH GOD GORAN WHY I HATE YOU LANCE BLANKS I HATE YOU AARON BROOKS I HATE EVERYTHING MORE ICE CREAM PLEASE.”
I’m really nothing but confused.
Sad day in Bettyville, sad day in Sunsville.
I was going to make a comment about the goran pillow
but then I remember I have a Harry potter pillow. The whole people that live in glass houses thing came to me..
I think you'll find that I'm universally recognized as a mature and responsible adult.
by Aztiramtempe on Feb 24, 2011 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, it's not a Goran pillow in that sense.
We bought a pillow a while ago that was made out one of the Suns 09-10 warm-ups at some Suns thing, and at that same thing we got it signed by Goran, Dudley and Hill.
Harry Potter though, that shit’s awesome.
I think we have the same brain. We are thinking the exact thing.
Except my initial post had the f-word, so naturally, I stopped myself and rewrote it.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 24, 2011 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
So did mine.
Plenty of times.
I kind of walked out of school, and my school secretary called me twenty minutes later and was like “you ditched your 1.30 class, where are you?” And I just handed my mom the phone. I felt really pathetic but I think today calls for it.
I’m really just in a state of confusion, I threw my phone across a parking lot when I found out, then I started crying when it really hit me. I was like “you’re crying in a school hallway, stop.” But I didn’t.
I got the text on the way to my 6th hour class. And I made it into the classroom and then
I totally fell to my knees and started crying. I felt like an emotional loser, but I couldn’t help myself.
It’s a small, family like class though, so they all understood and my teacher let me go to the bathroom so I could cry it out. It was embarassing, but it took me over.
It was that moment I always said to myself would never come, but was secretly always afraid would.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 24, 2011 8:51 PM MST up reply actions
I was in algebra, which is usually my last class.
And my friend gets a text from her dad “the suns traded goran drajic today” and so we go outside to check twitter and were running through the hallways yelling “TWITTER TWITTER” and the I saw it and I threw my phone and then I went inside to tell my friend and I like pushed over some poor freshman boy and by the time I got to her I was crying and everyone around me was like “someone died?” My friend Collin walked up and he was like “whats wrong!” and I kind of just fell onto him and it was really pathetic.
nothing is pathetic...
… in Suns world. we gave away a good player, a good person. And with the people reaction towards Goran’s trade (over 1200+!!!), he really touched us in a deep, profound way. He wasn’t our cure-all, but he sure as hell wasn’t our cancer.
So for now, find strength in your fellow BSOTSers..
I do love that kid.
wish him the best, hope we get to see him in purple and orange agian.
I just ate an entire half baked cookie sundae at native new yorker.
And a Dr. pepper.
And 12 wings.
And I’m going to go home and have a pickle.
And i don’t feel better.
You know it’s a sad moment when none of those things help.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 24, 2011 7:21 PM MST reply actions
You know I was starving and about to head to lunch when I heard the news
And I havent had tiny bit of an appetite since. This one hurts.
I had a cheeseburger after school and I was crying so hard and my nose was so stuffed up from it,
That it literally tasted like nothing. It was like I was just stuffing tasteless matter into my mouth.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 24, 2011 7:24 PM MST up reply actions
I felt the same way
When we traded the legendary Jason Kidd for… Stephon Marbury.
- MarsupialRogue
by MarsupialRogue on Feb 24, 2011 7:59 PM MST up reply actions
Oh my God,
My username. It’s like I just realized. I’ll have to change my signature.
Oh, it’s all happening so fast!!! :’(
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 24, 2011 7:23 PM MST reply actions
Your username goes NOWHERE!
You hear that NOWHERE. Do not change it.
by SunKing on Feb 24, 2011 7:23 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I won't change my username! I could never betray Goran like that!
But the signature will have to go.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 24, 2011 7:25 PM MST up reply actions
A sad day indeed.
I like that sig. =(
The Phoenix Suns - where we'll revive any player's career*
*Vince Carter not withstanding.
the suns certainly shocked the world tonight
and goran was the reason :(
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Oh God.
This is the saddest comment ever.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 24, 2011 8:52 PM MST up reply actions
the thing i like about brooks
is that whenever i’ve seen him play, he always seems fearless. i love goran, but his self-confidence was always a yo-yo. people who dislike this trade: if brooks drops 20 on toronto tomorrow night, will you feel somewhat better?
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
no.
he won’t speak in broken english or get awful haircuts or wear awful shirts. He won’t be Goran.
for the broken english, we have gortat and pietrus. for the awful haircuts, we have steve
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
by u_must_chill on Feb 24, 2011 8:03 PM MST up reply actions
You're so right.. :(
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 24, 2011 8:52 PM MST up reply actions
All we can do is say thanks for the memories, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDHoFFYywls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM7BfwfPCMw&NR=1&feature=fvwp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZCN-F6SqRs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pflb0n7JcSQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N127tam3OUA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MK5c2QdjvU&feature=related (remember the 8-0 run this caused that put us back in the game?)
and of course:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G5mv713WA0&feature=related
I’m really gonna miss him.
You should re post these in the overflow thread
just so everybody sees them. Ive watched them all but the Night of the Dragon at SA, still too soon.
Seriously.
I remember one night this summer I was having the worst night, and someone told me all of game three was on youtube, and I watched it like three times. It cheered me up so much.
I can't watch these
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
watch the first one.
promise it’ll cheer you up.
the rest stay away from.
Grant & Steve..
.. are very welcoming about Aaron coming in on their twitters.. with Grant calling him a great guy. that’s a good thing right?
Well he certainly isn't gonna call Aaron Brooks
a one-legged troll of an idiot on Twitter, is he?
Goodbye, Goran. Hello, Aaron.
elsewhere..
…the San Antonio Spurs are madly laughing knowing Goran Jordan is not gonna bother them in a while.
What the heck
Denver is winning by 11 under 2 mins left in the 4th. I thought they were suppose to suck?
Twitter: @FredLegittt
Waitin to see Brooks game first with the suns before the usual…..
by sqloudane on Feb 25, 2011 2:48 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Folks face it... Our FO could care less about winning. they just made a move to cover for Nash's departure, ?NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE
We have an organization that wants to win only enough to keep butts in the seats… nothing more.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Feb 25, 2011 10:44 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
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