Phoenix Suns Player Evaluation 2010-11: Robin Lopez - Don't Sell Low!
In the span of one year, Robin Lopez went from emerging young stud center who was going to save the day by coming back from his injury to play in the WCF, to the player who was set to be Nash's primary pick and roll partner to help replace Amare Stoudemire's production, to erratic starter, to Marcin Gortat's backup and finally, to being bumped from the rotation in favor of undrafted rookie Garret Siler.
That type of fall is similar to what happened to the real estate market a few years ago. Down, down, down. You wonder if you've reached the bottom yet, don't want to sell low, and aren't sure if you should sell at all. Value's going to go back up at some point, right? Those same questions apply to Lopez. I'm here to tell you he bottomed out last year, and that this is no time to sell. Hold on to Robin and build him back up. It's the smartest move.
It all comes back to his back.
The elephant in the room is obviously Lopez' health. He was diagnosed with a bulging disc in his back in March, 2010 and the exact extent of his injury seems like it has been shrouded in mystery since. When he came back in game 1 of the WCF last year to score 14 points and gather 6 rebounds, then scored 20 in game 3, it looked like his problems might be behind him. Then he was held scoreless in the last two games of that series, and didn't quite look right from the start this season.
Head Coach Alvin Gentry acknowledges that Lopez lost some of his athleticism, specifically leaping ability, but sounded hopeful that he was regaining it. On some nights this past season, he looked fast and agile, other times slow and clumsy, and I don't think anyone knew which version we'd see from game to game. The official word from the team is that Lopez is healthy, and his struggles are primarily the result of non-health issues.
So, why the decline?
In his end of the season press conference, Gentry used the word "regressed" and the term "sophomore slump" (never mind that this was Lopez' 3rd season) to describe Lopez. He also noted that Lopez is only 23, and seemed willing to excuse some of his struggles as growing pains. I won't give a lot of statistics here, because they only confirm what you saw watching him play, but suffice it to say that Lopez' production fell sharply across the board.
From what I saw, it was a combination of physical and confidence struggles, and the absence of Amare Stoudemire that caused Lopez' disappointing season. He thrived playing next to an all-star PF in Stoudemire. When Stoudemire left as a free agent, not only did Lopez lose a teammate who drew defensive attention away from him, he also had a lot more responsibility put on him. Lopez was counted on to pick up a good deal of Amare's lost production, and he simply wasn't physically or mentally prepared to do it yet.
The Gortat factor
Watching Marcin Gortat develop into a strong starting center after he was acquired in December was one of the few positive developments of the season for the disappointing Suns. However, my theory is that his presence wasn't good for the development of Robin Lopez. When Gortat came to the Suns, many fans thought it would help Lopez by lighting a fire under him. But, Lopez didn't need a kick in the pants, he needed a calm voice in his ear reassuring and encouraging him. There wasn't a lack of competitive fire or effort, there was a lack of confidence that came from being in a position for which he wasn't ready because of his immaturity and lost athletic ability.
Where Lopez wasn't physically or mentally ready to be a dependable starter, Gortat was more than ready. He commented that he felt like he was in a cage backing up Dwight Howard in Orlando. And, where Lopez is a sensitive sort with fragile self-confidence, the 27-year old Gortat is full of bravado and aggressiveness. In hindsight, it isn't much of a surprise that Gortat took control of the center position but, as he did, Lopez seemed to retreat further and further into his shell. He needed to be stroked a little, and instead he had his replacement brought in. It must have felt like Gortat was a schoolyard bully who stole his lunch money on the playground.
Let me be clear. I'm not blaming Gortat at all. He did exactly what I'd expect and want him to do in seizing his opportunity, and I have never been shy about expressing my admiration for the Polish Hammer. This is only a theory, it can't be proved either way, but I feel like the presence and success of Gortat sunk Lopez' confidence even further based on his body language and continued decline late in the season.
What now?
After this year, which started with mammoth expectations, to be eventually unfulfilled, and ended with a disheartened player, frustrated coaches and fans ready to pull the plug on Lopez, what are we are left with? A 23-year old, 7-foot backup center who, despite what his injury cost him, still has some nice athleticism for a big man and comes at the bargain price of under $3M for next year. He struggled mightily, but also showed flashes of effective play. If I was another NBA front office, I'd be looking at Lopez as a potential low-risk reclamation project if the Suns have given up on him and I could get him for cheap. But, aren't the Suns in a position where a low-risk, young, talented reclamation project would be nice for us to have, too? And, hey look! We've got one! Why give him away for peanuts?
Of course, we should trade Lopez if he's a key piece in landing us the upgrade at PF or SG we need, but trade him for a non-premium draft pick, or an older player who is only a small upgrade (like we did with Goran Dragic)? No, thanks. Going into next season, Lopez won't have those heavy expectations weighing on him, and we can hope that his strength continues to improve. All we'll need from him will be to play 15-20 minutes a night as a backup center, and work on his consistency. There's no reason he can't be a starter again at some point. Most of his career is ahead of him, and he hasn't come close to peaking yet. From an organizational standpoint, continuing to give up on young players is no way to grow a winning team.
I'm sure a lot of fans hate the idea of seeing Lopez flail and fumble around for the Suns any more. But, you know what would be worse than that? Giving up on him after all the investment we've made, and then seeing him make plays like this for another team.
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ebr, you just made this piece
your b*tch.
I’m with you and nearly all your points.
Blabby needs to work this very carefully. Big men are hard to come by and a healthy RobLo should yield a nice return regardless of whether he’s coming off a good or bad season. If he is to be sold this offseason, treat it like you’re selling high or don’t sell.
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by Wil Cantrell on Apr 27, 2011 8:16 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
I don't konow what I can tell.
Mostly I agree with you. But
presence and success of Gortat sunk Lopez’ confidence
I don’t buy it.
Lopez had all. Place in a team,he played with Nash, Hill.Basicly he had good position in a team. He has lost it by his attitude. IMO every player would want to be a starter. For me He gave up or he wasn’t healty enough. Like you said – it was 3-d season for him.
I don’t like players who don’t fight for his position on a court.
Don't Sell RoLow!
I have questions as to whether RoLo has the mental constitution necessary to be a long term quality starter in this league. I also have questions about his physical make up. It seems strange that the borderline mystical healing and recuperative powers of the Suns acclaimed medical staff were unable to return Lopez to some semblance of the athleticism of his youth…
Something just doesn’t quite feel right about the whole situation.
Lopez is a legitimate 7 footer with more than a small modicum of upside. This complicates the issue. If Lopez was 6’6" and performing the same puppet show it would be all too easy to send him down the road. He has shown flashes of brilliance, but I still remember watching Tony Delk go for 53 and that didn’t translate to a star studded career. If Lopez is a 7 foot Tony Delk, then we’re getting all worked up over nothing.
I agree with keeping Lopez and giving him another year. If a “knock your socks off” deal comes along, obviously RoLo should be available for the right price.
Casting a little prescience into the summer of 2012 – If Lopez averages 10 pts and 6 rebs a game next year and shows any potential moving forward, it might put the Suns in a bit of a predicament. Given the history of teams wildly overpaying for bigs that are incompetent stiffs, the Suns might be faced with the undesirable prospect of paying a hefty sum of money to a 7 foot tall question mark.
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Casting a little prescience into the summer of 2012 – If Lopez averages 10 pts and 6 rebs a game next year and shows any potential moving forward, it might put the Suns in a bit of a predicament. Given the history of teams wildly overpaying for bigs that are incompetent stiffs, the Suns might be faced with the undesirable prospect of paying a hefty sum of money to a 7 foot tall question mark.
There you go, Jim. Since Lopez is a low-risk, high-reward (ie. all relative upside) this season, I’m glad you went out of your way to concoct a scenario in which the Suns are screwed over again. Phew.
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If the Suns front office has performed its due diligence,
I’m sure they’ve already discussed this exact scenario. It might play into getting a contract extension done before the offseason contingent upon RoLo’s blossoming potential. Or it could make it more palatable to part ways if team X offers RoLo a contract the Suns consider onerous.
I think that examining as many angles and eventualities of a subject as possible lends to the best possible preparedness. Usually plans are made for emergencies and contingencies, not best case scenarios. If the sun is shining, the birds are chirping, and RoLo is going for 20 and 10 there’s no need for a back up plan/s. There should be discussions for the course of action if circumstances don’t play out this way.
If I’m planning on a picnic and the forecast calls for a 50% chance of rain, is it pessimistic to have a plan in place to seek cover if it starts raining? Is it cynical to check the weather report in the first place?
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by Jim Coughenour on Apr 27, 2011 10:08 AM MST up reply actions
That's definitely an important consideration.
Doesn’t make much sense to try to extend Lopez now since he’s sort of “what’s behind door #1” but if he shows anything this next season, there will be teams making a run for him, driving up his price. The same conversation we had about Gortat potentially being one of the West’s best centers applies with Lopez too, that he’s more valuable since there are so few legitimate centers out there.
by East Bay Ray on Apr 27, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
My understanding is that Lopez will be a restricted FA after next season.
Someone please correct me if I’m wrong on that. I got it from the Hoopshype list of Suns salaries.
by East Bay Ray on Apr 27, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
He is on a rookie scale
That means the suns have to make a qualifying offer (one year @ a set Dollar amount) to keep him as a RFA. If they decline to make an offer, becomes a UFA.
The amount of his Qualifying offer is:
The qualifying offer for all other players must be for 125% of the player’s previous salary, or the player’s minimum salary (see question number 11) plus $175,000, whichever is greater.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q37
IMHO, the only flaw in this article is that teams always overpay for centers. The trade value Lopez has is far higher than anyone realises. Ditto PGs and Brooks. They aren’t great players, either of them, but teams will over pay to get either so hopefully they are feature pieces in a trade for a star 4.
I am convinced.
Lets keep him. See what he can do with a long summer to recover and work his game back into shape. If, however, we can get a good PF (the likes of Josh Smith or Paul Milsap come to mind…) then I would let him go in an instant. This team needs CAPABLE big men and if we can get a known quantity I think we should.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
If only Lopez could transform into a beautiful swan
This team needs CAPABLE big men and if we can get a known quantity I think we should.
They have a known quantity – 1 (Gortat). I don’t really count Frye as a big – although maybe I should.
If you mean the Suns should try to convert the roster spot RoLo presently occupies into a known commodity, then I agree. Having a proven starter that could be a potential all-star playing alonside Steve Nash would definitely be better than a struggling, physically handicapped mental midget.
That being said, I really don’t think there’s a slam dunk offer out there for RoLo so I think the Suns will keep him.
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by Jim Coughenour on Apr 27, 2011 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
As much as I like me some Hammer
I wouldn’t call him a known quantity.
He can easily decline next year. If he cannot develop a consistant jumper and a respectable post-game in the offseason the opposing teams will start playing our PnR much better and he turns from Nordic Thor to this one.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Apr 28, 2011 7:33 PM MST up reply actions
If anything he'll be better
he’ll have better chemistry and with an offseason of hard work he could be a lot better.
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Could. This is his breakout season!
Didn’t we say this about Robin last year???
Of course I hope (and to be perfectly honest, expect) Gortat will be even better next year, but I’m just saying calling him a sure shot is a bit much after 30 good games.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Apr 29, 2011 7:12 AM MST up reply actions
I agree with you
DON’T TRADE ROBIN!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Trade him in a heartbeat
.. the offer just needs to be right :)
i love ur analagy,
Plus I agree with u on letting his price increase and then trade him if it dosent work out
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by sunsfanfromchitown on Apr 27, 2011 11:00 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Awesome piece, Ray.
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by RMason on Apr 27, 2011 12:00 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Thanks, man. You guys have raised the bar. I had to step up.
by East Bay Ray on Apr 27, 2011 1:01 PM MST up reply actions
I really enjoyed the piece as well. Glad that you didnt want to just through him under the bus. Plus Robin is great with fans and will never have any bad news surrounding him. He is a good and humble guy
by ThankYouCentralMichFor#9 on Apr 28, 2011 7:55 AM MST up reply actions
Go get him.
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by Jim Coughenour on Apr 27, 2011 12:30 PM MST up reply actions
Just make it tasteful...I hate to see a grown man cry
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I don't get why you didn't do the Dudley evaluation.
It seemed so… you.
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we try to change it up around here
so you never know what you’re gonna get. We’re crazy that way.
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I don't like Mayo
He has complained so much this year that he’s really turned me away. First it was about not being played at the pg spot. He also got into a fight with Tony Allen,cough cough horrible idea cough. I think that trade was realistic, but he just isn’t good enough to warrant putting up with his pre madonna attitude. Especially after such a terrible year. I really would rather have Tony Allen on the team after all he is done. He is a monster defensively and would find ways to score on this team.
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I totally prefer miracle whip myself.
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The RoLo market
If a person is $150,000 underwater on their house and they can get just enough to pay off their loan and then go buy something else at the new market prices, they’d jump on the opportunity. No wait, that sounds more like the Chilly situation.
RoLo is kind of like a little fixer upper (with potential!) the Suns bought while the market was already low. They don’t have that much invested in the property, so even if it doesn’t skyrocket in value it doesn’t singularly wreck the whole real estate portfolio. The Suns should only be entertaining trades where they expect a significant upgrade. Maybe something a little more cosmetically polished or in a better neighborhood. Good schools, access to freeways, low crime rate.
While the Suns don’t want to flip RoLo without gaining equity wise, it appears they may find themselves in a position where they have to expand upon their initial investment or cut ties before the market turns. If they do end up walking, it’s not the end of the world. If a franchise is turning a #13 overall pick into the lynchpin of the future success of the organization they are in big trouble.
Do the Suns have more invested in Lopez than they did in Dragic? That’s the most recent example of the Suns putting one of their fixer uppers on the market. Based on that I hope they have a different realtor working on the RoLo property.
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by Jim Coughenour on Apr 27, 2011 12:29 PM MST reply actions
"Fixer upper" was the term I had in mind.
The question about Lopez is, mentally and physically, does he have a strong foundation? We can only hope that all it will take is a new coat of paint and some new roofing, maybe some upgraded kitchen cabinets, too.
by East Bay Ray on Apr 27, 2011 1:00 PM MST up reply actions
I would love to see..
Darrell Arthur in a Suns uniform next season. Haven’t heard any questions about his health lately, he is getting some good time in important games.. and he is making the most of it. Not sure if he’s available, or how much he is valued by the Grizz.. but I do know they are paying ZBo an awful lot of money, and that he is pretty important to them so I don’t think they will be moving him anytime soon. Put Arthur with the known commodities of Gortat down low, and Nash calling the shots, seems like a good situation for him. BTW.. keep Lopez. Lakers didn’t give up on Bynum, plus you can never have too much size… especially in the playoffs. Just ask the Spurs
While he's a great rotation energy type of dude for Grizz
I’m not sure he’s got what it takes to make a big impact right off the bat next season. In a season or two? Sure, why not, he’s got talent.
Besides, he’s not a FA until 2012, has basically been a supersub/backup guy for them all year long and he’s got a really good contract so I’m not sure why Grizz would want to deal him.
Lopez misses Amare
He does in my opinion, Amare used to command constant double teams at all games and that helped Lopez get his confidence going, now since Amare left the teams put the pressured on Nash since we had no inside presence until Gortat arrived, Gortat needs Frye to continue to hit shots and help out with D and rebounds, I think Lopez needs someone like Frye around him with second group.
I think Lopez needs someone like Frye around him with second group
He had Frye a lot last year, in both the first and second units. Mostly in the first unit with a 2-time MVP best-setuo-man-in-history leading the way. Didn’t help him like you’d think it would.
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nice guess
but you are incorrect.
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by Wil Cantrell on Apr 27, 2011 3:39 PM MST up reply actions
Can Scott magically create a piece that makes the former 2-time MVP look like a scrub?
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I don't buy it
Sorry, but Lopez had more coddling and encouragement through most of the season than any professional player has a right to expect. Not only that, he had the entire Suns fan base rooting for him to recover from his injuries or shake himself out of whatever mental fog he was in. He magically reappeared out of nowhere the last game of the season, but what on earth would lead anyone to expect that to become commonplace next year?
Here’s the litmus test I think is appropriate, and it’s pretty much the same one that some people use when trying to decide whether to sell stock or real estate. If Lopez was not currently on our team, would we actively try to sign him to a contract? The fact that most of us don’t expect the Suns to be able to get anything at all for him in a trade would suggest not. He’s not going to be a freebie after all ($2.9M next year ), and whatever we already have invested in him is pretty much irrelevant if whatever future investment we have to make in him (salary, patience, focus, hand holding, etc) isn’t likely to pay off.
Of course Lopez MIGHT return to his old self next year, but head cases and back ailments (posture anyone?) don’t have a very good history of going away. If we didn’t have an emotional attachment to Lopez I don’t think he’d be under consideration at all for next year for any reason other than he probably can’t be traded anyway.
by BenchSplinters on Apr 27, 2011 4:08 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
If Lopez was not currently on our team, would we actively try to sign him to a contract?
Interesting questions. The Suns? no, because they have Gortat. Some other team with no prospects at C? Yes, I think so. the question is how much they think it will take to get him from the Suns. The Suns got a lot of calls last year and this trade deadline for Lopez and the Suns didn’t bite. I’ll bet a cheap 23-yr old 7-footer with proven skills would be a guy most teams would want.
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I certainly agree with you more than the OP.
Basketball is a competitive sport; a player who needs to be coddled doesn’t feel like they belong in the league at all, regardless of their “potential”. My biggest problem with “potential” and “upside” is that it’s generally projected on them by other people, because there’s really no way to tell how well the player will actually develop, so to me, I’m more of a WYSIWYG guy in terms of talent evaluation; sure, young guys might get better, or they might simply regress (like Lopez).
Personally, if a trade comes along for Lopez, if the player being offered is about equal in skill and age, I think the Suns would benefit from jumping on it. That said, I really don’t think anybody would want Lopez, so it’s pretty much a moot point.
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Couldn't agree more EBR...
Absolutely no reason to trade Lopez at this point. Worse case scenario is that we have a cheap 7footer off the bench…and a team can never have too much size!
I think Lopez could turn it around next year as a bench player once again. He’s definitely not ready to start, but I think he could be extremely effective playing against second units. This could also help solve the confidence issue that you pointed out, and help him further his development in the mean time.
by 7footer on Apr 27, 2011 4:24 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Everyone can and should be traded
… if the offer is right :)
IMHO Lopez should be traded because he is the perfect player to trade: his market value is much higher than his actual value (centers always are), at a position where we have other, quality options (Gortat, Frye and Siler).
Neither Lopez and Brooks are good players, or even above average. But the market value for both is at least an average player – and average PGs and Cs are over valued. Given we have a good Center, and good backups, we need to trade them for a PF who is good to excellent (Josh Smith is my personal wish).
Absolutely agree with the statement...
“Everyone can and should be traded if the offer is right”. But the difference of opinion we have is what Robin is worth. Yes, ordinarily, young 7foot centers are a valuable commodity. And yes, they are often valued higher than their actual ability because of their relative scarcity.
However, Robin now has a significant injury concern; multiplied by the fact that he played absolutely terribly last season as well. Teams look at him as a young center who was unable to bounce back from an injury that was sustained over a year ago. I believe this has significantly reduced his trade value to the point that he would be more valuable for us to keep even as a reserve for the time being.
by 7footer on Apr 28, 2011 12:01 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
So we agree
See what he s worth, and trade him if the return is good enough, yeh?
After remembering how he played against LA
I agree that we should keep Lopez, he can help out against Bynum and remember when he even out played him during that season?He can also hit the mid-range shot consistently too, so keep him and fortify the bench more.
I was disappointed in Lopez, too, but
this turbulent season shouldn’t be a reason to ship him out. If the Suns want to compete with the Lakers front line, they should probably keep a relatively healthy center. Just find a strong offensive post presence, somwhere, anywhere, without sacrificing an asset. I still feel like giving up Richardson wasn’t the right thing to do.
If the Suns want to compete with the Lakers front line
Sadly, I think that ship sailed almost a year ago.
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by sunsfanfromchitown on Apr 27, 2011 9:42 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
They can still compete with them
I know I’m hoping for a healthy Lopez for that to happen but consider how LA is playing right now, they are hurting right now, Bryant is playing with injuries so is Gasol(that breathing thing) and Bynum has never been healthy for a full year anyways, they aren’t getting any younger, with a good draft and FA we can compete with anyone, P.S. kinda makes a point in resigning Pietrus for D against Bryant.
Also this is the worst time to trade him
he’s had a bad year and there are a bunch of centers available in free agency.
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I love the article
But I can’t say that I agree with you. I’ve never been high on Lopez, even when he was playing well. To me, he always seemed like the needy, dependent girlfriend. Lots of maintenance for occasional highlights and a lot of moodiness.
Agreed and rec'd Ray.
Great piece. We definitely keep Robin unless a very nice offer pops up. As many have said already, he’s a low-risk, high-reward player. When healthy, he looks like he’d be a solid NBA center. I mean, look at him last season. I was rewatching the regular season game against the Spurs where J-Rich blew the dunk that could’ve taken us to OT and Fropez’s defense against Timmy was exceptional.
I don’t know what’s up with him this season, but he’s had some, albeit a few, bright spots. Considering he’s earning a rookie’s salary, we’re not exactly shooting ourselves in the foot if we keep him for another season. Again, it’s low-risk and possibly high-reward.
That being said, Rob-Lo had better rest up this offseason and come back into training camp with a Garret Siler-level work ethic. At least improve something to give us fans some small glimmer of hope.
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