Phoenix Suns Player Evaluations 2010-11: Give Mickael Pietrus a Chance
The Elephant in the Room
Let's get this out of the way first. As things go round in the NBA as a business - Mickael Pietrus has a player option for the 2011/12 season. What does that mean? That means the team can't cut him like they will inevitably do with the dead weight that is Vince Carter. In all reality, Pietrus will be back next year as a member of the Phoenix Suns - it would be stupid for him not to pick up his player option especially after such a personally unspectacular year playing ball. In fact - I have it on authority from one of my good sources... that Pietrus will do just that.
Now I know there are a whole slew of folks ready to jump on my boy Pietrus... Towards the end of the year his inability to curb his emotion in certain (and limited) situations somehow earned him a spot in Alvin Gentry's dog house - that, coupled with a possibly significant quadricep tendon-strain injury knocked Pietrus out of the rotation and landed him a soft-chair seat on the bench for the remainder of the season.
Here are my arguments as to why we can look forward to watching Phoenix Suns #12 in 2011/12.
Playing Time Say What?
So I know you all have been avidly following these player evaluation pieces, so when I reference them they should be fresh in your minds. You remember the two pro and con peices on Josh Childress? Yeah, both of them agreed that Josh Childress didn't quite play enough time last season to be adequately evaluated and that his ultimate judgement should be taken with a grain of salt.
Well guess what. Josh Childress played a total of 894 minutes last year for the Suns. Peitrus? A whopping 689 minutes.
Can you honestly say that we can fairly evaluate what Pietrus can do for this team? Especially since he was traded for the first time in his career... and mid-season no-less? I like what Pietrus had to say about that when the Suns season was regretfully over,
"I like it here," Pietrus said. "It was just different for me. I had to adjust during a short period of time. I'd never been traded. Training camp will help so the coaches can get to know me as a player, and I can get to know my teammates. It's not easy to get to know a player when you're chasing the eighth (playoff) spot. Next season, I'll have time to be part of the family."
If we're going to give Josh Childress the slack of a 'wait and see' judgement I think Pietrus deserves one even more for the fact that he wasn't here for training camp and especially since just like Childress, Pietrus was a key impact player for us at times when he did see the court for playing time.
Impacto Man
Pietrus? Yeah he can defend. He's got long arms. He can elevate and block shots.
He can elevate and absolutely disturb shots.
He can get in your face and get physical.
He can drain threes.. and brick them sometimes. He can dunk. He can fast-break. He can post-up. He can cut and slash.
The fact is - Pietrus is an energy player whose consistency is absolutely variable. That's the downside - but guess what? With Jared Dudley making the move to possibly locking up a starting position, the bench needs a player who can come in and impact the game right away with hustle defense and heart stabbing three's. I think Pietrus can be that guy.
The Final Verdict
Did he have an off year? I think he absolutely did - he was traded mid-season, shot under 40% from the field for the first time in his career, never completely learned the Suns Offense or Defense and then got injured right when he was starting to see consistent minutes. It was an off year indeed.
I'm giving Mickael Pietrus a school grade of an Incomplete. I want to see what Pietrus can do with a full training camp under his belt and with a defined role coming off the bench. Maybe it frustrates a lot of us when he's jacking up rediculous fade-away threes... but guess what, that's what he does and sometimes he can't miss (Hombre en Fuego), and other-times he can't hit even the rim. But that's what you get when you have a streaky role player who can impact the game, either he's on and he's all over the place defending and making shots - or he's all over the place taking poor shots and getting down on himself defensively. That's what winning team's need - impact players coming off the bench.
Plus - he's one of the funniest guys the Suns have ever had come through the organization. I may have extrememly disliked Boris Diaw for his flaws - but I'm willing to give this Frenchman a chance. Will you?
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Kind of like Steve Nash
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
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Eh, sometimes.
Nash’s problem is shot-clock management. That’s where he usually does his stupid things.
Don't trade Dudley!
The thing with Pietrus is – you can complain about his shot selection all you want, but that’s obviously what the dude feels comfortable doing. When it goes in, nobody complains. When he air-balls it it’s a terrible shot. It happens all the time, read a comic book
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I feel "comfortable" drinking beers in my underwear
That doesn’t mean I should be allowed to do it on court during an NBA game.
Re-sign BAMF.
outplayed
"I'm a nobody." - Steve Nash in 1997
by PHXSunsRunNGun on May 7, 2011 12:43 AM MST up reply actions
you being comfortable drinking beers in your underwear
didn’t get you into the NBA. What Pietrus does did.
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If all Pietrus did was jack up bad shots (which is what I'm talking about)
He wouldn’t be in the NBA.
Re-sign BAMF.
True -
But his ‘outside’ shot IS IN FACT what brought him to the NBA, along with his size and athleticism.
http://www.nba.com/draft2003/profiles/PietrusMickael.html
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/mockdrafts_030617.html
These were two of the first 10 search results on a google time critical search for Pietrus between 2001 and 2003 when he was drafted. I’m sure If i was motivated I could frame each phrase highlighting his great outside shooting.
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Outside shooting
I have no problem with him taking good shots. And I have no doubt that he would make a nice percentage if all he was taking was good shots.
My problem with him is that he takes just as many contested garbage shots as he does open ones.
Re-sign BAMF.
I like your piece Euts but you've lost me on the 'shot selection' argument.
He may feel comfortable taking the shots he currently does, but it doesn’t make them good shots.
Bad shots are only bad when they don’t go in and with Pietrus, that’s more often than not.
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by keiththejourno on May 2, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
This year was the first time he shot under 40% from the field.
Give him consistent minutes and maybe he doesn’t miss as many.
BTW – unless you are a big man that dunks everything or unless you are Steve Nash shooting 50% from the field (something he didn’t do this year… just sayin’) 95% of the players in the NBA miss more shots than they make (i.e. – shoot under 50% from the field) – the league average is .459
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He's only shot over .459 from the field one season though
Every other season he’s shot at least 2% points lower
Re-sign BAMF.
And...?
Take a look at Jamal Crawford - a BENCH guy who consistently as of late years receives a lot of attention for the 6th man award.
How many times has he shot over .459? Oh that’s right, only once and that one time was 10 years ago. His FG% is even worse than Pietrus’.
Jamal Crawford FG% = .410
Mickael Pietrus FG% = .431
Jamal Crawford 3pt% = .350
Mickael Pietrus 3pt% = .359
And when you look at Crawford’s latest years averages, he jacks up WAY more 3pt shots per game than Pietrus:
JC = 4.6 — 5.4 — 6.1 — 6.2 — 5.5 … ETC ETC
MP = 4.1 — 4.1 — 4.1 — 2.8 — 3.3 …
My point is not to prove that Jamal Crawford is more terrible than Pietrus because I don’t think that at all. My point is that Jamal Crawford, like Mickael Pietrus is an impact player but an inconsistent player. I bet if we tried to write-up a list of players in the NBA that we could say consistently change the game, we’d have a list of about 20, MP and JC are not on that list yet they are valuable players to come off the bench for any team.
Do they both jack up weird and crazy shots? Yeah. But that’s what they do.
J.R. Smith? The same thing. What’s his FG%? Oh, just lower than MP’s. It’s .428.
Kyle Korver? He’s an off the bench shooter right? .431
Jason Terry? .449. 3pt% = .380
Manu Ginobili? He’s a bench impact icon right? What did he shoot this year from the Field? .433. And from 3? .349. (.449 & .371 Career)
BOOM
Game.
Set.
Match.
I’ll take your response off air thanks. :)
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Touche
Although I’d classify Crawford and JR Smith as chuckers as well.
Wanna keep doing comparisons? How about Mickael Pietrus vs Sasha Vujacic. Now those are some similar stats!
Re-sign BAMF.
I'll give it to you that his shooting percentage isn't a HUGE issue
But his shot selection is still horrible and launching bad shots is not good for the Suns offense.
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If you want to be technical...
(and I’m only going to say this for the sake of arguing :))
The Suns offense as it stands is actually partially founded on bad shots. By basketball standards taking a shot in the first 7 or even 14 seconds of the shot clock… good look or not – is a bad shot.
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Yup, by conventional standards
But that would get into a big ol’ philosophical basketball debate.. And we know the Suns are anything but conventional.
Re-sign BAMF.
that idea is so dumb and I can show u why
Look at http://www.82games.com/1011/1011PHO3.HTM which shows the FG% bin sectio ns of the shot clock:
Secs. eFG%
0-10 0.557
11-15 0.515
16-20 0.492
21+ 0.453
So the first 10 seconds is 4% better than the next best, and 10.4% better than late in the clock.
Early shots are good shots.
FG% means nothing
eFG (that accounts for the 50% more points on 3s) is the key.
Arguing eFG% is apples to apples IMHO.
eFG% is the key
.494 for Peaches this year. You need to be at at least .500 to be OK.
And why does no one mention his turnover rate
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/2173/mickael-pietrus nails him:
[Pietrus is] probably the most mistake-prone shooting specialist in basketball. Pietrus took 57 percent of his shots behind the arc and made 37.9 percent of them, making him a solid sniper. But somehow, he was well above the league average in turnover ratio … meaning that his few forays to the rim produced a ghastly miscue rate. Pietrus also owned the worst assist ratio among small forwards, so it wasn’t like he was losing the ball trying to set up teammates.
Nash is the greatest shooter of all time though.
Pietrus is not.
Aside from his shot selection, I really like Peaches and think he could help us out a lot.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
You guys are all crazy and dillusional
if you believe even a small majority of NBA players take good shots a majority of the time.
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Or possibly you drank too much Peach flavored Kool-aid
While you were staying up to write your article? ;)
Re-sign BAMF.
I think you guys just like to argue with me
And I like to argue back.
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We are all a family... (continued)
2Nashty is like the little/big brother who is always farting on you
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by Eutychus on May 2, 2011 10:44 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
Nah...I'm the type to give a big hug when ya need it
however it should not be surprising if I break wind during the embrace.
"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH
Yes, Pietrus deserves a chance.
Even when he came to the Suns he couldn’t find a defined role because Gentry had him playing SG one night and PF the next. Then Gentry decided to cut the rotation to 8-9 guys and Pietrus was in the doghouse for a while. Then Gentry realized that Grant Hill was too old to play that many minutes and he put the rotation back to 10 and Pietrus was back in.
He only got about 20 games with a consistent role, but it was during our playoff run and he barley new the team. Of course there was the injury and by the time that healed, the playoffs were a long-shot and Gentry just decided to stick with Chill because we have him wrapped up long-term. Some people will point out the technicals he got that one game, but that’s just nitpicking. To hate a guy for one game and one bad mistake is ridiculous.
Now, Pietrus will always bring good defense and an attitude. He’s the type of guy who will always have your back. I love that. He could be our enforcer.
Although, it will likely take him to land our coveted PF in the off-season. I like him, but I don’t mind if he leaves or stays.
Don't trade Dudley!
yet, if he stays
that’s Duds, Hill, Pietrus and Childress all vying for 96 minutes a game (48 * 2 positions). If the Suns really get a shooting 2G, then…
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Another thing.
Dudley/Peaches isn’t a bad combo to have at SG unless your best players are Nash and Gortat. Add a PF like Milsap or Smith and I’d be happy with that SG combo. Both guys play good defense and one of them can consistently make his shots while the other one is a wild card. That’s not bad. This is why we don’t need a SG. We don’t need to go out and overpay for the over-hyped and overrated Aflalo when he’s really not that much better than Jared Dudley. He won’t make much of a difference. This team needs a PF and a backup PG just in case Brooks is traded.
Don't trade Dudley!
I agree - a PF is the priority
back up PG second
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Euthycus i literally love you.
I wanna hug like i would hug Nash, finally someone understands we need a Back up PG and PF, thats all , really thanks euthycus haha.
Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.
by Lino Canaan on May 2, 2011 4:51 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'm sending a virtual hug your way my friend.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
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Of all of the player evals we've done so far...
This is the first one that changed my previous view on a player.
You’re absolutely right, Euts. Pietrus is the kind of player we should want coming off of the bench, and like most of the players on the roster he had to endure some type of transitional period during his time in a Suns uni.
Its safe to assume that he was pressing himself to make an impact to earn his way into the good graces of the team, so that might be why he was a little too amped up, i.e. launching crazy shots and trying a little too hard to be an irritant on defense which resulted in some stupid technical fouls.
If he can pull back on the throttle a bit and play under control, he could be a valuble 3 and D wing player of the bench, and I do love having those 3 and D guys.
I smell like the vault. I'm so PAID.
by RMason on May 2, 2011 12:23 PM MST via mobile reply actions
You know what's funny about that? I changed my own opinion
I took Pietrus thinking… crap – i’ve got to write something positive? Then I objectively sat down and convinced myself to give him a chance.
You better believe I will have no problem pulling the plug though next year if things start smelling.
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Do not want
Trade him, waive him, whatever.
I thought we were getting Bruce Bowen-lite with more range on his shot, instead we got J.R. Smith with half the talent and all the bad shot selection.
Achievement is its own reward, pride obscures it.
I'm willing to give him a chance.
Like you gave him an ‘incomplete’, I don’t feel that I really know enough about what he can bring to this team to judge whether or not I want him here.
I’m fine with him sticking around as long as he works hard and can become a consistent bench player.
If there’s one thing I truly want from this Suns team, it’s consistency.
by Dragic_is_Magic on May 2, 2011 12:33 PM MST reply actions
Pietrus is a different kind of player than we're used to having on the Suns.
He’s more defense-focused, his offensive game is a little ragged, and where Nash and Hill are always supremely disciplined and in control, Pietrus is wild and unpredictable. You could say that makes him a bad fit on the Suns, but I see it the other way around. His “different-ness” is what makes him valuable to us.
His defense doesn’t look to me like it’s fundamentally sound the way Grant Hill’s is, but Pietrus brings a passion at that end of the floor that is uncommon. You can tell he really wants to play D, and how many Suns can you say that about? That kind of thing can be contagious, and if we’re serious about building a better defensive team, we need more players who focus on it like this, not fewer. His shot selection will continue to frustrate us from time to time, but it’s something we can live with and, unlike Childress, he’s at least a legit 3-point threat (even if he misses a lot of them, too) so he helps with spacing the floor.
Nice work, Euty. I was on the fence about Pietrus, but I think you’ve convinced me that we should keep him, with the standard caveat of “unless we can package him for the star we need.”
Yes, I think his defense is overrated, but he still is a good defender with a passion for it.
Maybe I’ve forgotten how good Raja Bell used to be, but Grant Hill may just have become the best defender this team has had in a long, long time. Yea, I think his defense this season was better than what Marion gave us.
Don't trade Dudley!
Amen to this
His ‘different’ energy is I think a key ingredient to a delicious bench. Agreed and agreed . Just like the feel and energy from the Bench a season ago was different from the starting 5 I think Pietrus brings that spicy addition and can help make the kind of bench we need.
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I enjoyed your word choice here.
Delicious and spicy are fun, descriptive words!
That’s random, I know. But I felt it needed to be addressed, lol.
by Dragic_is_Magic on May 2, 2011 1:38 PM MST up reply actions
I try to shake it up :)
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The Gunslinging Goofball from Guadeloupe is my name for Pietrus.
You follow him on Twitter, right? He’s quite the jokester.
yeah his tweets are classic
he posts some pretty funny pictures too
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We're family?
I’m not sure how I feel about that…
To the asshat that hit me: thanks for the broken arm. ...Fucker.
You can be adopted if that makes you feel more comfortable
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There's a lock on it for a reason!
It’s meant to be private!!!
To the asshat that hit me: thanks for the broken arm. ...Fucker.
I'm the annoying cousin that nobody likes...
I'm from Chicago. I like the Phoenix Suns more than the Chicago Bulls
by sunsfanfromchitown on May 2, 2011 9:03 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
This is one humongously F'd up family...
At least in this house, we all worship the same God: He who received a lap dance from Nicki Minaj.
Grant Hill: where making MVPs look like wannabes happens.
every family is humongously F'd up in one way or another
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Speaking of family trees that don't fork.
You guys are like my family.
Except I only hate some of you. But I jest.
The thing I probably dislike most about Pietrus is his nickname (peaches). That puts him in pretty good standing compared to other members of this team.
Pietrus suffers from horrible decision making skills. It isn’t just his shot selection, although that is evidence of his larger overall condition. The same way people want him to play with more equanimity… It’s the glitch in the thought process. Just speculation, but I wager that MP has touched more than his share of hot stoves in his time. I don’t know how easily recitifed this type of condition is.
Pietrus reminds me of Barbosa a little bit. Kind of funny looking and a little like a lost puppy. Likeable. Both prone to bad decision making. While Barbosa seemed to be a bit more tentative with his play, and thus mitigated his mistakes, Pietrus seems to be unabashed by poor returns and therefore doesn’t seem to blink twice before making another ill-advised play.
I think Pitetrus could be an effective player off the bench. Maybe if he gets more comfortable with his situation he will make less stupid decisions. I can envision a scenario where he generally plays effective defense and has 5-10 games next season where he is a factor on offense with 4+ three pointers.
Unfortunately I can also picture an alternate scenario where Pietrus is doing something indescribably idiotic while Gentry is left a) scratching his head, b) staring wide mouthed in disbelief, or c) shaking his head in disgust.
Incomplete sounds good to me. I hope it doesn’t change to incompetent.
I will say this much, the success of this team moving forward will have little to nothing to do with the future of Pietrus. There are much bigger fish to fry.
Never confuse activity with achievement.
by Jim Coughenour on May 2, 2011 3:04 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Like LB?
Ok. But Pietrus has mad heart and toughness and plays monster defense. If he can be taught to not take dumb shots so much then there is virtually NO downside to him.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
Rec'd for the mixed metaphor
doesn’t seem to blink twice
Doesn’t blink + doesn’t think twice = doesn’t blink twice
I smell like the vault. I'm so PAID.
I,d be pretty dissapointed if Pietrus leaves
He is just such a nice piece overall, he can shoot, he can D, he is scrappy and he is probably, wait no im sure, the most athletic Sun but a few things are bothering me with him :
-Is gentry going to use him as back up SG or SF if we get another SG? i dont think we need another which would limited our bench offense if Jchill come off bench to, 3 guys that cant dribble at all and 1 of those 3 cant even hit Mid range.
-And i wanna bring a such needed commentary, we lack of PF but we cant run any offense by having such a hot head like Aroon B in our team, and no offense to Zabian,s fan but he aint dragic will never be dragic i dont trust in him, Priorities PF and PG, adding another SG would just mess our roster.
Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.
by Lino Canaan on May 2, 2011 5:05 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I also want Pietrus to stay
I have seen him play a lot in Orlando, when Gortat was playing there and he can play much better than this season for the Suns. Let’s give him a chance to bounce back next season. Tough defender, streaky 3-point shooter, can dunk, brings a lot of energy. What do you want more? Keep him!
Alea iacta est!
by PolishHammer on May 2, 2011 10:57 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Oh and some numbers to back it up
His FG% in 2009-2010 in ORL was 0.432, 3PT% 0.379 in Phoenix this year it was 0.392 and 0.342 so he can shoot better.
Alea iacta est!
by PolishHammer on May 2, 2011 11:08 PM MST up reply actions
If we dont get a shooting gaurd in the draft or by trade
Then i’m happy to have Mickeal start at the 2 spot with a full traning camp under his belt. His shooting is a little streaky and i’m sure some of that is related to his shoot selection. But his defense is great and we need more of that.

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