Channing Frye is the starting PF, the Question should be "who will back him up?"
by styks on May 26, 2011 4:57 PM MST
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PrintI've been looking back over the 'trade proposals' on the FanPosts and I continually see the same thing. "The Phoenix Suns Need a True Starting PF" And I couldn't disagree more. Maybe some of you remember my previous rants and raves about the subject, but I've been reviewing the stats and had some more analysis on the subject. So here goes after the jump...
Defensively: Channing really stepped up defensively against the better 4s in the league this season. He boxed out and while he didn't shut anyone down, he wasn't dominated like last year and his defensive rebounds increased.
Offensively: His percentages slipped this year but he did average more points this season than last. But as I've said in the past, his role in the Suns offense is to stretch the floor. By being able to step out and knock down long-range jumpers and 3s, he opens up the middle for PnRs with Marcin Gortat and allows Grant Hill to back door cut to the hoop. He can also run much better than a number of other team low post players. His ability to stretch the opponents defense in those 2 ways make PFs from the other team work harder than if he just posted up. In the past year his vision and passing have improved, he has been working on his post moves, and his cutting to the hoop to crash the offensive boards has gotten better.
Intangibles: Frye has been in the Suns system two years now so he has a leg up on any player coming into the team fresh. He's developed as a leader (willing to defend his teammates on the court physically if necessary). He hustles, works hard, and has been known to put in extra time in the gym to get bigger and work on his shot.
There's no reason to think that the Suns won't be a good team if they don't have a "low-post" PF in the starting lineup. But I will give the caveat that bringing in a player in the same mold as David Lee and Kevin Love to come off the bench would be perfect. The question remains, "Which FA out there is a bench PF?" If you can answer that, you have half the key to the Suns need for the next season.
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I agree.
I like Channing a lot, and I think he earned his spot as a starting PF for this team. I think our number one priority should be finding a more offensively reliable starting SG. Number two should be finding a more defensibly reliable backup PF.
However, if we can score someone like Smith or Milsap without blowing the bank, then obviously go for it. But I think a J-Rich replacement is what we need right now. Or just J-Rich.
However, I think Frye’s capabilities as a successful starter have more to do with Gortat. I think Gortat changes the picture, as far as what we need in a PF. Look at Orlando – obviously Howard is better than Gortat, but they seem to have a similar repertoire. Orlando made it to the finals a few years back with Lewis playing PF, right? When you have a big, dominant C with lots of offensive potential (Gortat, no?), you don’t really need a low post high scoring PF, do you? In fact, it seems to make sense to me that you need a PF who’ll spread the floor, like… Channing Frye, perhaps?
I really don’t know THAT much about basketball, so please correct me if I’m wrong…
by iwasneveryoung on May 26, 2011 7:11 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I could have made my post longer...
by including the SG aspect, but that ladies and gentlemen is the other half of the key to the Suns next season. But I think we can address the SG aspect in the draft. I really think Klay Thompson from Washington State is the ideal pick. He’s 6’6, shoots as well as Jimmer (if not better), and plays defense that Jimmer doesn’t. His size compliments Nash’s lack of size well. Tons of upside with a decent base.
Not many rookies are ever very good
Better off chasing JRich in FA.
hmmm
I am a strong believer in adding a star power forward and then playing the three headed monster like the Lakers. He can get starting minutes and play both the 4 and 5 at times depending on the competition.
Gortat needs a post game to take full advantage of Fry’s spacing. He isn’t even close to drawing that second defender unless it is the pick and roll.
I do like fry a lot. The obvious problem….our team is not good enough as it is and everyone knows that. At the same time, everyone likes the players that we have and thinks that they deserve minutes. Dudley, Childress, Brooks, Mp, fry and Fropez are all players that need/deserve minutes but everyone feels as if they are too average to even be considered starters. My proposition= Make one roster upgrade for a go to scorer in the post and give a chance to a few players to make a name for themselves. Maybe they will actually show up and be what they need or at the very least improve their trade value.
You are right and that's probably what the FO will do since a trade for Smith and Milsap would be hard to pull off.
However, I’d rather have Channing come off the bench. That’s not because he isn’t a starting caliber PF, it’s because the bench really needs him. Both Dragic and Brooks played their best basketball with Frye. He makes things so much easier for our backup PG’s. He can start, I just like him as a 6th man more.
However, if he does end up starting because we couldn’t find anyone better to than I guess I’m ok with that for now. Just as long as his backup is someone better than Warrick. Seriously, it shouldn’t be hard to beat Warrick out of the rotation, he’s not tough competition. If we draft a PF, I’m going to expect him or Lawal to take Warrick’s spot. All they got to do is learn the system, play defense and hustle. If they can’t than that means they really aren’t that good and so we’re screwed.
Don't trade Dudley!
Channing and Dudz are 2 of the best bench players in the league. But as starters, they are nothing more than average. I wouldn’t have a problem with either one starting, but if we have the same starting line-up we finished off the year with we are in trouble.
Ideally we want a new SG who can get his shot and a PF who is capable both offensively and defensively. I, like meeeh would love to see Channing as the first big off the bench playing minutes at the 4 and 5, and I want Dudley to be able to return to his “energy off the bench” role. Getting those upgrades will be incredibly tough to pull off though, so I think you have the right idea of focusing on one at a time. Upgrade whichever position provides the most value, and worry about the other spot later.
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Upgrade whichever position provides the most value, and worry about the other spot later.
I would think that PF is the position that holds the most value, but that one would be the hardest to pull off. It’d be much easier to sign someone like J-Rich or Aflalo than trade for Smith or Milsap because it’d likely take Dudley or Frye or both to get us one of them.
Maybe it is best we sign a SG and worry about getting a PF later, like when we’ve got more valuable assets to spare?
Don't trade Dudley!
Of course I am refering to upgrades at those starting positions. We still need a better PF than Warrick as our backup.
Don't trade Dudley!
By value I mean take the best deal.
If we get a great deal on a SG, take him first and vice versa.
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Even then, we need rebounders. It is the elephant in the Suns season – we sucked on the boards, more than pretty much everything else.
Did you see Kurt Thomas rebounding like a monster last night?
I saw we give him a one year contract VC style since he’s just as old.
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by modernage13 on May 27, 2011 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
Would we really need to give up dudley or fryelock?
Didn’t a Peaches + Rolo for Milsap trade almost happen before the deadline this season?
Won't happen
That was when Utah needed to dump salary. Those days are gone.
Starting and bench is a misnomer
What matters is minutes. Starters can play 12 mpg (See Lopez, Robin). It matters who closes, and how minutes are allocated, not when they first enter the game.
What we really need is an NFL move, e.g. a major upgrade of a line to add a star, that makes everyone else look better. It is like when an NFL defensive line is considered bad, and then they add a star DT, and suddenly the RDE gets 12 sacks. We need a move like that for a star 4, because our wings look OK, but our bigs look like Gortat and the seven skinny kids.
Add an all-star PF, and all of a sudden Frye is a great backup, Hak can play a few minutes every third game, we can play big or small and we look like a great team.
In terms of this last season, I agree...
But Channing, like Dudley, has shown the ability to improve his game every season since he’s arrived. Yes, so far that’s only two seasons, but the point still stands.
Would I prefer a strong interior PF in the starting line-up with Channing moving back to the second unit? Yes. But that could change if Frye continues to develop his post play and exhibits more skill in the pick and roll. If he could do this, we would have the best of both worlds…A big who’s a legitimate 3-point threat, and who can also be effective inside. This would improve his game drastically, and help free him up for more open long-range shots as well. Channing rarely makes defenders pay for quickly closing out on him on the perimeter, but if he could put the ball on the floor and attack the rim more consistently, he would really be hard to defend.
Do I really think he can make such a leap over the off-season? Probably not, but I also won’t completely discount it from happening either. Even if he improves his post game and at least gives us the option of isolating in the post from time to time, he could do wonders for us. I already saw Channing improve this aspect of his game a little last season…He developed a nice baby hook that was effective in certain situations down low…It’s possible he could continue to get better.
Frye didn't really improve
As a poor rebounder, who gets few assists, blocks or steals, his value is 100% in his 3p shooting. .400+ and he is quality. <.400 and he’s almost a liability.
Feb and march he was better, but he really does need to rebound closer to his feb and march numbers to be even a chance of adding value as a starter. And even then, we need a backup 4 who can get boards, if not two, because outside Gortat, very few of our players are even average on the boards. Hak and Frye is a terrible combination, and Lopez poor numbers really exacerbates things.
Yep, people are acting like Gortat is some sort of freak Howard and Love hybrid on the glass
Fact of the matter is, most of those high rebound games for Frye came against poor offensive rebounding teams and with Gortat basically getting single digit boards because he had to box out two guys at a time.
There is a reason why Carl Landry averaged FOUR OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS against us this season and that reason is Channing Frye.
What we need is a third star (Gortat + Nash + ??)
We ALSO need a PF – combining the two just makes sense.
I’d say we need a star more than we need a PF (Does anyone think Bosh + Anthony is better than Gortat + Frye?), and that we need to get that star to have a chance this year and, ideally, the year after.
We also need a rebounder, because none of the bigs except Gortat can board. We were second last in rebounding differential (GS was last) at -4.06. Given that a possession is worth roughly a point, that is 4 points a game, and takes us from -0.9 differential (109.5 ORtg – 110.4 DRtg) to 3.1 – which would have made us the 10th bets team by efficiency differential. That’s a 55 win team.
There is no way Reggie Evans or Kris Humphries turns us into a 55-win team.
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Maybe, maybe not
But there is no way in the world that a team that is out rebounded by 4, and shoots a good percentage (meaning there are LESS defensive boards for opponents) has much chance of winning.
And Reggie Evans and Humphries are not great defenders. Not Faried on the other hand…
2005-2006 Suns. Outrebounded by 4 per game. Won 54 games.
2004-2005, 2006-2008 – Outrebounded by 2 per game, won lots of games.
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They played at a faster pace… but I’ll concede that one – no non SSOL Suns team :)
And how come we don’t score many points on the break anymore? What happened?
I really think its Nash
he doesn’t push it anymore
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That’s a big part of it, and no more Marion.
by BringBackBarkley17 on May 29, 2011 10:18 AM MST up reply actions
I hope we can get back to running as fast as we can
It’s still our best chance at success IMO. Might be harder to do with this bunch, and Gentry doesn’t seem to want to play that way as much as Mike did, but I think it would only help us. Brooks in particular would be a demon in SSOL
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
You can't run without getting rebounds
and we don’t have Marion’s elite rebounding + ability to run the floor like crazy. Marion was really the key to making SSoL work.
Suns v Spurs in the 1st round. Make this happen.
Plus we don't have many finishers.
Grant is really the only one that attacks in the open court any more. Gortat is pretty mobile for a big guy, but he’s the one getting the boards so we can’t really utilize that part of his game. Channing isn’t a FB finisher, although he’s good at those trailer 3s. Hak did some things, but he doesn’t play enough to really matter. Vince didn’t run anywhere. Dudz isn’t a FB guy. Chilly could be effective on the break, but again he didn’t play much. Robin was Robin last year.
Steve is older, the rebounding is down, and we don’t have many FB players. It’s tough to run with all those factors against you.
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We had the best offense in the league to offset that
We no longer do
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I was simply
responding to the point about rebounding
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And you were right
But those days, of an overwhelming team, are gone. We need to rebound better to have a chance.
Depends on who you have around them, but Bosh and Anthony are pretty formidable, esp when Anthony is on and playing well defensively and rebounding. I dunno why he isn’t more consistent.
by BringBackBarkley17 on May 27, 2011 7:15 PM MST up reply actions
i think everyone is going to hate on this,
But is it a good idea to sign b roy as our starting two.
I'm from Chicago. I like the Phoenix Suns more than the Chicago Bulls
by sunsfanfromchitown on May 27, 2011 7:27 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Too slow to keep up in our uptempo offense.
In just 1 week here, he’ll destroy what little remains of his knees he still has.
Grant Hill: where making MVPs look like wannabes happens.
He signed a huge contract last year.
Unless the Blazers cut and we can sign him for cheap (won’t happen) then he is not available and has a bloated contract
by Suns Fan For Life on May 27, 2011 9:42 AM MST up reply actions
Nope
Terrible contract, terrible knees. We didn’t give Amare the max because he probably MIGHT have knee problems in the future. You don’t then trade for a max player who DOES have knee problems for sure
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
what??!?!?
would this be before or after the Blazers talk him into retirement? Let’s go for Darius Miles and Michael Redd too!
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Frye is good
but his advanced stats say that he really hasn’t changed much from last year:
http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/05/24/channing-frye-advanced-stats-microscope/
If we could find a starting PF, then you could move Frye to the bench, and he makes all of the other bench players better(see: Dragic). I just don’t know where to get that player.
I’m going to throw out a name that people HATE, but out of all of the available prospects, the only one I think we get without giving up too much is Boris Diaw. You start Boris, you move Frye to the bench, and your team becomes better.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Or we could sell all our souls to bring Dirk and Chandler here.
That’s not too high a cost.
Grant Hill: where making MVPs look like wannabes happens.
The stats may not have changed much,
but you can’t watch him play without thinking he improved.
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His defense is certainly better
And Frye DID improve. The start of the year he was ordinary, but he clawed his way back to below average. That means his second half was much better.
Unfortunately for Frye, he doesn’t board well (6.3 per 36 is woeful for a big), and his defense is ordinary, so unless he is hitting .400 from 3, he is going to be WELL below average.
Still, if he played like he did February and March, when he did get better, he’ll be passable.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fryech01/splits/2011/ is telling, as Frye averaged 8.7 and 7.9 rebounds per 36 in Feb and March. That is passable, and would make us more competitive.
What are his defensive rebounding numbers?
I think that number is more relevant than total rebounds.
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I don’t think Doris would make us any better. I’d rather play Frye and Lawal or even Siler.
by BringBackBarkley17 on May 27, 2011 7:16 PM MST up reply actions
Diaw is a great defender
We could really us a defensive 4.
We need defense, heart and toughness. Diaw doesn't have the toughness or the heart.
Believe me, I entertained the idea a couple months back because I thought that it could make us better, but than I remembered that he just doesn’t give it a 100% of the time.
If were unable to pick up a star than we got to pick up a role player who’s got just as much heart as our 5 starters. We’re not going to beat teams with our talent next year because we won’t have much of it. We’re going to have to beat teams by out-working them. Yes, that was the plan going into the past season and it failed, but that’s because only 5 guys were sticking to it.
Don't trade Dudley!
Agreed, Beavis. And a guy like that is not a “great defender”
by BringBackBarkley17 on May 29, 2011 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
We'll know we're on the right track when Channing comes off the bench for us again.
As Jacob stated, Channing and Jared are great bench players. They were a huge reason why our bench was so good in 2009-2010. As starters, let’s just say there are plenty of better options than Frye and Dudley as a starting 4 and 2.
We need a good starting 4. Going forward with Frye as our starting 4 is just not a good idea.
Grant Hill: where making MVPs look like wannabes happens.
Unless we can get a star at SG (unlikely).
Then Channing is just fine, especially if Lawal impresses or we get someone else to replace Warrick. Or maybe Robin bounces back.
My whole point is don’t get focused on bringing in a PF. Channing is about as good of a starter as Jared is. Whichever one is easier to upgrade is what we should do first.
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Frye is below average
He really is. He’s an excellent backup, who can provide something different, but he’s not starting quality, not at the 4 or 5 unless you have Fats Lever as your 2 guard.
And as Robin is a poor rebounder as well (7.8 [per 36), the wekesses of Frye, and Hak as well, become even bigger liabilities.
We need two things: rebounders and a third Muskateer behind Nash and Gortat. Seems like combining them makes sense, although splitting them out is equally valid. The third muskateer is the harder of the two to get, so if we can find a guy that is good, no matter the position, we need to grab him.
I don't think Frye is below average because he's the perfect 6th man.
A 6th man is a guy who is great off the bench, but can also be a decent 4rth or 5th starter on a contending team. Frye has already shown that he is that player.
Don't trade Dudley!
The problem is that we have 3 role players in our starting lineup.
We had 3 all-stars and just two role players in our 09-10 lineup. If Hill, Dudley and Frye are all starting for us by next season we won’t be that good. That doesn’t mean we won’t make the playoffs because we could still improve the bench and defense, it just means we won’t be a contender.
Don't trade Dudley!
Yes, I thought J-Rich played like an all-star even though he wasn't "offically" one.
Don't trade Dudley!
sure played a lot better for us than Orlando. Man, were they disappointed in him!
by BringBackBarkley17 on May 29, 2011 10:21 AM MST up reply actions
and yet
(to harken back to another observation of JRich between Phx and Orl)
and yet, JRich played “stellar defense” with a 103 defensive ppg rating while with Orl, a full 9 pts lower than with the Suns. That’s not all Howard. Its scheming. And I’m looking forward to the Suns hiring a good defensive coach.
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by Alex Laugan on May 29, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
Frye doesn't rebound
He really doesn’t, and a 4 needs to, and a five MUST.
To have Frye start, you’d need Dwight Howard at 5, and good backup bigs. He can start with Gortat, but then we need a third, rebounding big. Rebounding is not discussed much, but that, more so than even defence, is our Achilles heal.
by MMotherwell on May 27, 2011 11:24 PM MST up reply actions
I think there’s a point here, MM, but that is overstated. I do not consider him to be THAT bad.
by BringBackBarkley17 on May 29, 2011 10:21 AM MST up reply actions
Check the numbers
He’s awful.
He got a LOT better in Feb and March, and that was when he looked REALLY good. Feb and March Frye is an average NBA player (and before anyone sees that as criticism, that makes him on of the 6075 best bigs in the world). But pre-Feb? That guy, combined with Hak and Lope, killed us time and time again.
mostly its the o-boards
Channing holds his own the D-boards, but he spends so much time on the wing on offense that he never gets offensive boards. If you just look at his defensive rebounding percentage, he’s ok.
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by Alex Laugan on May 30, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions
I posed that question above.
And you’re overstating the rebounding importance just a little bit. We obviously need to do better on the boards as we don’t heve good enough defenders to make multiple stops on a possession, but Frye being an average defensive rebounder does not mean he can’t be a major part of our rotation, even starting. Especially if he plays next to someone like Chilly, who always crashes the boards. Thedre are ways to scheme around having a bad rebounder in the frontcourt.
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It’s a good illustration of how the game is a lot more than numbers and what you see with your eyes will provide you better evidence than mere numbers.
by BringBackBarkley17 on May 30, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
Fats Lever was a star
9+ rebounds at the two? Forget about it!
Here are some things we need.
Someone who can score in the post without the pick and roll, rebounding, and defense. Most of these things you consider coming from a big, but i think we can get those from othere positions as well. There are a couple of excellent rebounding 2 in this draft. Burks averaged 6.5 and Brooks 7 with an amazing 7-1 wingspan. I personally like brooks. One of the big knocks on him is that he is old. How is this a knock. 4 years playing in the Big East has got to have prepared him for the NBA better than most other players. The same thing was said of Ty Lawson a few years ago and look at him. He rebounds very well, better shooter than Burks and with the wingspan, 38 vert, and quickness he has all the tools to be a great defender. Not sure how he is in the post. There are some references to Kobe from guys who train Kobe, so there is some good post possibilities there. Anyway, we should be looking at multiple possibilities to fill the needs not just the big. Who was our best post guy last year? Jrich before he got traded. Just saying.
by Suns Fan For Life on May 27, 2011 9:52 AM MST reply actions
We’ve never really had anybody who can score in the post without the pick and roll unfortunately.
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Which is why we don't necessarily need one.
We obviously need someone who can score down there now and then, but we don’t need an Al Jefferson. We just need someone who can score without Steve having to set him up.
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I agree
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Agreed
We need 4s who can shoot, defend, run and board. We never struggled scoring, never have never will while we have Nash. We struggle defending and rebounding and, sadly, lately we’ve struggled on the break.
We need athletic, defensive players who can hit the three and rebound. That should be real easy to find
Interesting tidbit
I was looking at Mock drafts and walterfootball and some others have us taking Jordan Hamilton. I have been dismissing him because he is slated at the 3. The description, however, compares him to Jason Richardson with his ability to shoot the three, run the floor, and post up. He is 6-7, so he has great size for a 2 if we can transition him to that spot. Maybe a sort of a dark horse for us to take the 2 spot.
by Suns Fan For Life on May 27, 2011 11:00 AM MST reply actions
I was pondering that as well.
Especially with Nash and Hill, that SG doesn’t necessarily have to be a prototypical 2 who can act as a secondary ball-handler. With those guys on either side of him, he might be able to develop quickly and without too much pressure.
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I like him.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
agreed on Hamilton. Definitely in the mix.
by BringBackBarkley17 on May 27, 2011 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
yes
he passes the eye test and fits his position (the 2) perfectly. The remaining question is how close he will come to realizing his potential.
Hamilton, Burks and even Marshon Brooks all fit the tangibles of a 2-guard.
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I really want James Harden on this team
and watching him play in the playoffs impressed me even more. I doubt OKC would let him go but man that would be awesome. I wonder if we tell him he can be a starter here would be enough for him to come here haha.
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Not if he's under contract.
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Would be fun watching that beard. But I hate his flopping bullshit.
by BringBackBarkley17 on May 27, 2011 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
Leandro???
I think we should pursue Barbosa this summer bc he is a free agent and I bet he would love to come back to Phoenix… He is a great spark off the bench with his speed and scoring ability and now that we have brooks, we would have a 1,2 combo of speed and offense… The only problem is that he’s not great at defense but he’s decent
by NASHTY777 on May 27, 2011 1:18 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I think that ship has sailed my friend.
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Yep
It’s unfortunate, but I don’t see him being a Sun for a very long time. He still hasn’t entirely recovered from his wrist injury yet either.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I actually would love to see this happen
one of the things we were missing at the 2 spot on both the 1st and 2nd line up is an all round scorer who can slash, hit the 3 and the midrange, and handle the ball if needed. This has traditionally been the type of guy we need a couple of in the system, and we no longer have anyone who fits this description, with Hill being the closest.
Health issues aside ( and I understand that may still be an issue ) I think not having a healthy LB was a big blow to our bench this year..
what this team really needs is a good defensive scheme
I am so tired of our guys not rotating perfectly and not hitting the right spots, not playing the strong hand, etc, etc.
Case in point: the Orlando Magic have a great defense, even with Hedo and JRich in their starting lineup (and previously Hedo and Lewis). 112 points per possession with the Suns, 103 points per possession with the Magic.
You can’t give all credit to Howard – all he can do is guard the rim. Their defensive scheme gets credit too – they know how to play to their strengths and not let other teams beat them with jumpshots (like the Suns do) or some other means of avoiding Howard.
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right
Dudley, Childress, Gortat, Pietrus, Hill and Lopez – 6 of 10 are quality defenders. If you add Frye to that, there’s only 2 left who cant play a lick of defense (Nash and Warrick). A good scheme and coaching should be able to hide that. Every good defense plays some guys who are terrible.
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Even Steve is willing and able to do some things that can contribute to a good team defense.
Hak is really the only complete liability on the team.
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It’s obvious the top defensive teams max out their defensive potential, and that we are not even close to maxing out ours. We have several good defenders on the team. We need some kind of new scheme or something.
by BringBackBarkley17 on May 29, 2011 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
Rashard Lewis does not do the last 3 things in your list any better than Frye
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I used
to love Lewis’ play….when he was with Seattle.
even then
he never did those last 3 things well. But he’s 6’10" and shoots like crazy, so he got a huge deal.
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Or how about a version of Rashard Lewis that is better and does not have the WORST CONTRACT IN THE NBA RIGHT NOW
Seriously, he’s getting FORTY SIX MILLION DOLLARS over the next two seasons.
That’s probably the worst contract in history. Although you do have people like Arenas, Joe Johnson, Vince Carter, etc in the mix. Ugh. Truly amazing.
by BringBackBarkley17 on May 29, 2011 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
Arenas was wrecked by injuries. JJ, while over-paid, is still a great player. Carter was still doing things when he signed the contract.
Lewis’ contract is just mind-boggling.
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This is just random
I really miss Amare on our team bc i think if we had just a little better defense last year, we could’ve won the finals with Amare scoring alot. We lost to L.A. bc no one guarded Artest on that one putback… IMagine, Nash would’ve had a GREAT chance to win a ring bc we could’ve beat the celtics
We missed havng another big
We had one really good one (Gortat), one adequate but below average one (Frye) and two massive duds (Hak and Lopez). You can play 96 minutes a night with 3 well below average players. Amar’e would’ve REALLY helped.
Stop it please!!!!!
Ur about to make new cry!!
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by sunsfanfromchitown on May 30, 2011 11:35 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I really wish
we had Barkley back in his prime – he’d be awesome. And Tom Chambers. And KJ…
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by Alex Laugan on May 30, 2011 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
I think Anthony Randolph would be gettable
and would add the athleticism we sorely lack. Not sure about the rest.
Suns v Spurs in the 1st round. Make this happen.
I agree with the first part of that statement, JC. Not sure about the second. Possibly worth a try depending on cost.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jun 1, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions
worst idea....
he’s a headcase who doesn’t play hard….not the type we need
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