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Phoenix Suns Player Evaluations 2010-11: Mickael Pietrus, Chucker or Valuable Wing? You Decide

Welcome to the sixth piece of the 2010-11 Phoenix Suns Player Evaluations. We here at Bright Side of the Sun have assembled a cast of writers to put together alternative views on the players, front office, and coaches. Your favorite and least favorite Suns will no doubt get plenty of attention, and the compliments or criticism they deserve.

 

From Urban Dictionary:

1. chucker
a. A really bad basketball player.
b. Also, just a plain old idiot, any one who just throws anything in the air and hopes it makes a goal

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You couldn't blame a Suns fan for rooting for Vince Carter and Mickael Pietrus upon their entrance onto Planet Orange. Most of us had an inkling that Vince was no good and Vinsanity a decaying corpse rotting deep beneath the cold, cold ground. Nonetheless, we fans and Alvin Gentry held on to the delusion that he had something left in the tank to help the Suns make a playoff push. While it took fans only a couple of weeks to realize Carter was finished, Gentry was holding on to the idea of a rotation. Rotations create chemistry and chemistry was needed on a team that had once again reinvented themselves.

Mickael Pietrus was another intriguing player from Orlando. Known for his defense, he was much needed (in theory) to a Suns squad that was and has been lacking D for a couple of decades. Pietrus got a shot in the rotation from the beginning, and had a few games, including a 25 point outing against stiff competition from the LA Clippers. No doubt Pietrus was given the green light by Alvin Gentry as 30+% career three-point shooter. An while Pietrus proved he could score in bunches, he also proved he could miss in bushels.

(Ed note one bushel=35.239072 liters. Thus, bushel>bunches. I don't know how many bunches equal 35 liters. But it's probably a lot.)

 

Aside: One Master of the Obvious Prediction:

As it relates to Mickael Pietrus and the Orlando Magic: The Magic took a major dump in the first round of this season's playoffs. Expect a huge housecleaning, beginning at the top-Otis Smith, GM. Unable to advance past the 1st round of the playoffs with Dwight Howard looks bad. That Rashard Lewis signing a few years back looks really bad. The December trade with the Suns looks bad, and something that caught this author's eye looks bad as well:

Mickael Pietrus, in his contract year for the Golden State Warriors ('07-'08), averaged his 4th lowest ppg total as a professional in 5 years-(7.2), and: Decreased in PER, TS%, eFG%, 3P%, and games played and started compared to his prior season. Nevertheless, he received a $2 million dollar raise from Good ol' Otis and the Magic in the offseason. All to pry a role player away from the lowly Golden State Warriors. Of course the Suns took on MP, but that's a different story.


Into Some Numbers

  • Between Orlando and Phoenix, Pietrus shot 39% from the field and 36% from beyond the arc.
  • His average makes from 3 was right along his career average of 36%,
  • Mickael is a career 43% shooter from the field, yet managed to sink only 39% of his shots between Orlando and PHX last season.
  • In 22 MPG in Orlando he shot 39% behind the arc. in 18.1 MPG in Phoenix he shot 34% behind the arc. Yes he nearly doubled his attempts in Phoenix, so it's logical that his average go down. Still...

Abandoning the Numbers-And the Excuses

The Suns would not be broken-hearted if Pietrus declines his $5.3 million option for next season, but Pietrus said he wants to return.    -Paul Coro

The bottom line is that Pietrus is just another role player on the Suns among a glut of them. Who deserves the chance? Who didn't get the playing time they deserved or who could have benefited the most from a full season with the team? MP is valuable in that he can play defense and he can get hot from time to time. Yet like many shoot first players, Peaches fell in love with the 3 to the point where green light equalled stupid light. Pump fake, go to the hoop pal, hit your man Gortat down below slashing to the hoop, talk to Jared Dudley it can be done. And for God sakes, don't  F with the Lopez.

We can make the excuse for Pietrus that he came in mid-season, didn't mesh and all that, but I'm not buying it. It didn't take the Polish Hammer a whole off-season to figure things out. Further, there may not even be a real off season if the skies continue to darken among the CBA and lockout situations.  And what's the guy going to pick up in the pre-season: "Stop shooting stupid shots?" Maybe.

The problem with Mickael Pietrus echoes the problem of 75% of the Phoenix Suns roster. There are many pieces, but no matter how you shift them around some of them are still not going to fit. MP just might be the jigsaw piece from the idealic-home-in-the-French-countryside that accidentally got tossed into the Golden Retriever-puppies-in-a basket box. It just may not fit.

Poll
Is Mickael Pietrus a Hopeless Chucker Who Needs to be Sent Away, or a Rotational Player for the '11-'12 Suns?
Chucker. Send Him Away
181 votes
Peaches Needs Training Camp and Will Buoy the Bench
259 votes

440 votes | Poll has closed

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Pack him up with,

Lopez and brooks and a late first rounder for smith and teague!

I'm from Chicago. I like the Phoenix Suns more than the Chicago Bulls

by sunsfanfromchitown on May 3, 2011 10:34 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

I actually really like that trade.

However, if Atlanta continues winning, those players may not be on the market.

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by Trevor Paxton on May 3, 2011 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

That trade will not happen for a multitude of reasons.

The first of which being that Atlanta isn’t going to give Phoenix 2 starters for three benchwarmers coming off of bad years.

Never confuse activity with achievement.

by Jim Coughenour on May 3, 2011 9:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't really call Teague a "starter"

Yes he’s starting, but only cause Kirk Hinrich went down.

Re-sign BAMF.

by brian13 on May 3, 2011 9:45 PM MST up reply actions  

haha this is completely false

J.UST E.NJOY T.HIS S.HIT
D.RIVIN U.NDER M.Y O.WN I.NFLUENCE

by big_p.a.w.z. on May 7, 2011 2:20 AM MST up reply actions  

hahahaha!

except that its true

Re-sign BAMF.

by brian13 on May 7, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

I think

his defense and chemistry are important, so keep him. He can also shoot well from outside, something Childress can’t do.

I get the impression MP is well liked in the locker room, and the most disappointing thing this season compared with last year was the lack of chemistry. So I think it’s important we try and build that chemistry.

by Toon Army Sun on May 3, 2011 10:35 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

What "chemistry"?

The selfish shots from 3 point land when he has a clear lane to the basket? The brainless technical fouls that hurt the team? Trying to build team chemistry around Pietrus sounds kind of silly to me.

by BenchSplinters on May 3, 2011 2:33 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

If we get a SG this offseason then pack him

I,d like to have him on bench , bet hey thats Jdudz spot, the FO has expressed willingness to get a SG, if that happens, he will be useless in this team, if he picks up him option then trade him to get a Back Up PG or a Real PF, but only if we get a real scorer.

Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.

by Lino Canaan on May 3, 2011 10:50 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

I just want to add

That a good defender who chucks up shots is going to look real bad, worse than he is when the guys he’s surrounded with are Brooks, Lopez and Warrick. Those 3 guys brought more inconsistency than Peaches did. At least with Pietrus, he would always play defense. It may not have made a difference, but again that’s because the guys around him are terrible defenders, so the rotations sucked.

I agree with TAS above, chemistry is the biggest issue. If Brooks wants to be our backup than we better surround him with shooters and defenders. Pietrus fits this description, but Lopez and Warrick don’t. Frye must return to the bench for this very reason.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on May 3, 2011 11:17 AM MST reply actions  

Agree with you on Pietrus' defense

and maybe that’s a good enough reason to keep him. But I just don’t see any evidence that he brings any chemistry to the team. personally, I think he’s pretty self-centered.

by BenchSplinters on May 3, 2011 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't get it, Beavis?

Here you are saying that Lopez and Brooks are dragging down Pietrus, but just preceding this was a spirited discussion detailing that this trio was the juicy morsel Phoenix will be dangling in the offseason to lure Smith from the Hawks…..

What gives? Are they a juicy morsel or a juicy **rt?

Never confuse activity with achievement.

by Jim Coughenour on May 3, 2011 9:15 PM MST up reply actions  

I mentioned Brooks in there because he too has yet to learn the offense, most teams trading for him would understand that.

I believe that Pietrus would have played better next to a PG who knew what he was doing. With Lopez it wouldn’t have mattered because he’s just not healthy right now. Warrick is a lost cause either way.

Brooks, Pietrus, Lopez and a 1st round pick isn’t a bad offer, but it’s obviously not a good one either. As I said before, it would take really good negotiating to get a Milsap or a Smith with that offer. In fact, I’d say we’d be low-balling them with that offer. Replace Pietrus with Dudley and I think it’s a fair offer that Atlanta or Utah wouldn’t mind taking. I’d only trade Dudley though if the Suns could replace him with a guy like Aflalo. What are the chances we could get sign him anyway? In order for this team to get good, the FO is going to have to get good.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on May 4, 2011 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Atlanta want to clear cap space

to re-sign Crawford. There is NO WAY they can do that if they keep Josh Smith. Enter Vince Carter :)

However, the price is more likely to be Brooks + Lopez + Cater + our lottery pick + MAYBE another first rounder but we have to take back Hinrich as well – there is no way we can do a Smith trade, give Atlanta instant cap relief.

That, to me, is an amazing trade for us, and for Atlanta, a lottery pick , a future first rounder (in 2013) + a young center + a young point guard, and getting to re-sign Crawford, is a great deal.

That is the only way I see it happening.

by MMotherwell on May 4, 2011 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I've posted that Suns will need good SG and good PF.

Yesterday I read post by Beavis ( for me logical) that MP could stay in Suns and with J.Dudz can be SG combo (something like that) and the most important is to acquire good PF.
I thought a while. I have to say it could work. More discipline to Pietrus. He good defender and tough guy ,Suns need this type of men. IMO he the first player who deserves to give him a chance after earlier evaluations other players.

by roby07 on May 3, 2011 11:28 AM MST reply actions  

Where will he play if we landed a 2 and a 4

Another log jam at the wing. I we could’ i say we trade brooks, mp, warrick and lopez for millsap and smith, start smith at 3 and draft a pg. Sign Afflalo and move hill to play back up 4, dudz 2 and chilly 3, else slide hill to 2 and back him up with dudz and try to develop lawal at the backup 4

Its decision time;
Lets win as much as we need to at least make the playoffs OR suck so bad we get a top 5 pick... i doubt the latter will be possible as some other teams (min, lac etc) made the decision earlier than us...

by jatrex4suns on May 3, 2011 2:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

That looks impossible,

U make it look so easy!

I'm from Chicago. I like the Phoenix Suns more than the Chicago Bulls

by sunsfanfromchitown on May 3, 2011 5:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah i noticed

Reading that after posted made me say to myself “what drugs are you on?”

Its decision time;
Lets win as much as we need to at least make the playoffs OR suck so bad we get a top 5 pick... i doubt the latter will be possible as some other teams (min, lac etc) made the decision earlier than us...

by jatrex4suns on May 4, 2011 5:43 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

yeah i figured the vid was better than the content.

at least one person got it.

thanks, beavis

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by Wil Cantrell on May 3, 2011 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

He is BadAssMuthaChukka

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on May 3, 2011 11:55 AM MST reply actions  

GET MICHAEL REDD!!!

by John Thomas on May 3, 2011 1:39 PM MST reply actions  

GET YAO MING!!!

Just for the same reason you want Redd in Phoenix.

I don't care who starts anymore...

by Spit_Fire on May 4, 2011 4:59 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm not sure.

He’s really streaky and that’s something we don’t need. And his defence has gone down a bit. But he brings an attitude to the court that it seems we have been lacking. It’s just like a bad boy reputation. Someone who can scare the opponents. Like the Boston game. He nearly got into a fight with Kevin Garnett. And it’s his attitiude and defense that is more important than his offense (though it would still be nice if he could score well).

I rock so get used to it.

by Colton Dodson on May 3, 2011 2:04 PM MST reply actions  

So how 'bout we rig Pietrus with a shock collar

and have one of the asst coaches assigned to activate it any time it looks like Pietrus is going to jack up another 3. I’d give him the green light to shoot any time he wants as long as it was off a drive to the hoop.

Remember … every missed shot is as good as a turnover on a team that doesn’t get offensive rebounds.

by BenchSplinters on May 3, 2011 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

as long as the league approves, im for it!

or we cut off his arms and give him robot arms with great form so he’ll never miss.

I rock so get used to it.

by Colton Dodson on May 3, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions  

F the league, lets go for it

Its decision time;
Lets win as much as we need to at least make the playoffs OR suck so bad we get a top 5 pick... i doubt the latter will be possible as some other teams (min, lac etc) made the decision earlier than us...

by jatrex4suns on May 4, 2011 5:46 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

not sure but this sounds good!

bring dudley and frye back to the bench, with dudley at SF, and micheal pietrus at bench SG. Pietrus impressed with his defense kinda like grant hill, and I think gentry and babby were saying that the top priority for this team was to get better defensively. sorry childress that doesn’t leave a spot for u in the rotation. I think the plan next season is to get a new starting SG(J rich is free agent!)and obviously a new PF.
STARTERS BENCH
G-Nash Brooks(I think he’s better than dragic) Zowdell(why not)
SG-? Pietrus ?(another wing, that
SF-Hill Dudley isn’t J Chill or Warrick)
PF-? Frye Lawal(most likely)
C-Gortat Lopez?(I’ll talk about him in his player evaluation) ?(sorry siler)

by JLG33134 on May 3, 2011 3:20 PM MST reply actions  

that's maybe the same team we had this year.

"Steve Nash is more valuable for the Suns than Kobe for the Lakers" - Jared Dudley

by Juac on May 3, 2011 5:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I think that the question marks

in front of Pietrus and Fyre are meant to represent offseason additions that will take over the starting roles at those respective positions.

The main problem with this scenario is that the Suns are still over the salary cap and have little ability to improve through free agency. There is no way to add two starters via free agency with their current cap situation.

They will also struggle to add more than one starter via trade, because despite the mixed bag of trade proposals people manage to concoct…. gms across the league really aren’t completely brain dead or looking to do the Suns a solid. Sorry.

In all reality, if the Suns can add a deserving starter not currently on the roster while keeping the Nash, Gortat, Frye, Hill, and Dudley nucleus intact – that would be pretty much the best case scenario… not to mention a damn near miracle.

That would mean the Suns got something really good without having to give up practically anything. This is why there’s a difference between crossing fingers and holding breath.

Never confuse activity with achievement.

by Jim Coughenour on May 3, 2011 9:28 PM MST up reply actions  

A BIG NO to Mr Chucker!

Is not that I hate him, but I don’t thinks he’s what we need. Yeah, his defense is above average. His presentation scares another players, etc.
But you don’t win the league with only that. Especially when you want to have an scoring and versatile second unit.
We need to get new players now, so the team can stop figuring out which is the chemistry between them. I’m sorry for Beavis but Pietrus is not reality, and he’s not a bet either. If we can pack him with Lopez, I would surely be fine.

"Steve Nash is more valuable for the Suns than Kobe for the Lakers" - Jared Dudley

by Juac on May 3, 2011 5:21 PM MST reply actions  

Thats not the same team!

I don’t think we need to blow up the roster we only need a couple additions to this team. this seasons team is a pretty good team they just need interior defense, and a solid set rotation,and I don’t like them playing small. also i put a question mark beside lopez’s name cause I’m not sure if he should even play off the bench for us, and I don’t think the suns need siler even for a reserve role.So the suns probly also need another center either to fill the bench role or as a reserve that alvin will actually use if one of our bigs get hurt.

by JLG33134 on May 3, 2011 8:12 PM MST reply actions  

A BIG YES to mr chucker.

He just needs to be smarter with his shot selection, I think he’ll meet his career average next season. with dudley and frye back at the bench(i’m assuming they’ll be back at the bench) we’ll probably have great offense from the bench regardless of how well he shoots. His defense is a big plus.I think he’s a better fit than J Chill or Warrick. Though I feel bad for warrick cause he is cleary a SF not a PF, It’s the same problem with Turkoglu were playing the wrong guys at PF.

by JLG33134 on May 3, 2011 8:28 PM MST reply actions  

He just needs to be smarter with his shot selection

From GSW to Orlando Magic and to Phoenix Suns, Pietrus has never been good at selecting the shot he takes.

I don't care who starts anymore...

by Spit_Fire on May 4, 2011 5:07 AM MST up reply actions  

I think I'm fine with Pietrus being on the roster next year.

His contract (assuming he picks up the $5.3 million dollar one year extension… which he will) isn’t burdensome, but it isn’t a steal either. He might actually be a more valuable asset before the trade deadline next year as an expiring contract that doubles as a semi-valuable role player down the stretch. If he plays well next year he would seem to have more trade value then than he does now…..

The Suns can only do so much this offseason. The front office can’t just snap their fingers and transform the roster to solve the problems at pf, sg, and back up pg. In terms of the importance of these issues, I would rather see the team address the pf position first. If that means that Dudley and Pietrus end up platooning at the 2 next season, then so be it.

Another caveat about the 2 spot, which appears to consist of Dudz and MP since VC’s corpse is not long for this squad – any team making a trade with the Suns that involves one of the 2’s is going to want Dudley over Pietrus. It’s going to be really hard for the Suns to trade for starters if all of their good players are “off limits”….

Never confuse activity with achievement.

by Jim Coughenour on May 3, 2011 9:43 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

well said, Jim. Totally agree.

by BringBackBarkley17 on May 4, 2011 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

His contract is not TERRIBLE

but it is bad.

It is ~@ the league average, which when the distribution of salaries for mot teams is 2 players above 10 mil, 2 between the MLE and 10 mil, 2 @ the MLE, means a player making $5.3 mil needs to be a sixth man at least, and Pietrus ain’t that good!

Personally, I’d buy him out, early, for $2-3 mil, and let him do whatever. He’d get a one year $2.3 – $3.3 mil offer at least, and look alright as a Heat backup / Celtics backup. Actually, Boston would love him, so too the Heat likely, as he’s a pretty good matchup on Lebron for 12 minutes a game, and when you are trying to win a title…

The front office can’t just snap their fingers and transform the roster to solve the problems at pf, sg, and back up pg

Well, the trade to get Smith and Hinrich would solve pretty much all of those :) Personally, I’d trade 3 first rounders for those two, with Lopez and Brooks (and VC), bu then, I figure we have only 1 year left to win a title before a rebuild. And a rotation of
Nash/Hinrich
Hinrich/Dudley
Hill/dudley/childress
Smith/Frye/Childress
Gortat/Frye

Is top 3 in the conference IMHO, and restores the offensive/defensive balance we’ve been sorely lacking since we lost Kurt Thomas and Marion, and made even worse since the Bell and Diaw trade.

by MMotherwell on May 4, 2011 5:22 PM MST up reply actions  

This is Pietrus to a T

via Bill Simmons (talking about “irrational confidence” players)

The Tony Allen Level: Role players (usually defensive stoppers) who have a tendency to forget to “stay their lane” — to borrow a Jeffrey Ross phrase — and suddenly they’re careening through traffic and trying a double-clutch reverse layup on your biggest possession of the game. That’s where you apply the Table Test: As long as these guys are bringing more stuff to the table than taking stuff off the table, you learn to live with their irrational confidence moments.

Just replace “careening through trafic and trying a double-clutch layup” with whatever it is that Pietrus does out near the 3pt line.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/part1/110503&sportCat=nba

Re-sign BAMF.

by brian13 on May 3, 2011 9:59 PM MST reply actions  

I think he would take a Tony Allen comparison right now. Allen is a big reason Memphis is in the second round and playing well (except last night). We would be so lucky if he turned into a Tony Allen clone.

by BringBackBarkley17 on May 4, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Pietrus is a good defender

Tony Allen is actually an absolutely amazing defender. IMO, he could have won DPOY over Howard.

by NewCavsfan on May 4, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Hahaha

Pietrus loses the ball on drives almost as often – so forget just the 3p stuff, his whole offensive game is UGLY. And he doesn’t fit here, because our offense relies upon being just a standstill catch-and-shoot player, and Pietrus slows down the ball return to Nash, or dribbles, or does something dumb almost every play. WE need to have a high efficiency offence, and MP is too inefficient.

by MMotherwell on May 4, 2011 5:25 PM MST up reply actions  

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