Does Go-To Scorer + Frontline Help = SuperCool Beaz For Phoenix Suns?

And I was given the ability to release the entire team and hand pick what players(from any team) I want on the Suns (current contracts and rules don’t matter), I would cut every player but Gortat. So there is no chance I would trade Gortat for the number 2 pick. If I was Babby, I’d laugh and throw the audio on YouTube as biggest joke ever.

Beasley though I really like. I wish we had gotten him when the Heat were throwing him away. He can score and is a good rebounder.

I’ve talked myself into Beasley (with help from Mr. K State, Scott Howard) and I’ve always loved Flynn and think he’s got a ton of upside. If you can get both by giving up the 13 and Lopez, it’s a no-brainer. I think it would take more and I could see a deal hinging on Dudley.

If this is available, this should be done asap. If the deal needs the Lopez and 13 for Flynn and 20 to get done, then I’d do that as well.

I,d love to have him on this team seriously , if we could have a a rebounding C and Beasley on the backcourt , im sure that Nash would produce amazing numbers, he is a solid rebounder, can score consistently and he can even shoot 3s , not really , he,s defense needs to improve and he needs to develop a more stable offensive game, but he is ready to take us somewhere further than 500. next season.

Gortat and Beasley that would superb, imagine the backups, Frye and and Rolo, or Warrick and Frye, either way they,re good backups, i dont mind about SG that much because i really feel like Dudley will take over next season, all we really need them is a consistent 3 point shooter and a decent back up PG and lets begin the season.

Here is how i picture it:

Nash-Brooks, if he comes cheap. if not whatever.
Dudley-MP
Grant Hill-Chilly
Beasley-Warrick/Frye
Gortat -Frye/Rolo
Thats a roster who can shoot the 3 , who has good size and a rebounder roster, give em a solid defense scheme and lets roll.

I’d be willing to look at trading anything that wasn’t Gortat. In my opinion, Gortat should be untouchable unless you’re getting a better center, or an all-star power forward in return.

r would Michael Beasley drag this team further into the doldrums of 20-win hell, as all of his previous teams have done?

2 of Beasley’s 3 years in the NBA his teams made the playoffs. So the 20-win hell only really applies to 1 year.

I like Beasly but i wonder if we can convince minny of not swapping picks but just flynn for lopez. Flynn was supposedly the best pick-and-roll point guard in his draft so I like the idea. The only bad thing is we’d be losing diversity when the bench comes in. It’d just be pick-and-roll for the same. I want our bench to have a different feel for the game when they come in.

I was looking at an article on bleacher report on the worst draft-day trades. Phx had 2 of like 10 and we could have had a roster such as
Pg- nash/rondo
Sg-barbosa/johnson
SF-iguadola/marion
PF-diaw
C-amare
can someone say CHAMPIONSHIP!?

Beasley has some seriously unique offensive abilities. I’ve followed him quite closely since his year at K-State and I think while he had some serious trouble adjusting to being in the NBA and hell just being an adult – his maturity/culture issues are overblown. I think once he’s put in a situation with strong veteran leadership and has a defined role as a scorer he’ll excel. The Suns have strong veteran leadership and have a need for a scorer. It really is a great fit.

I think his defense can be passable and his rebounding will be fine (watching him rebound in college I never really thought he was good at it, he just got a lot of them because nobody else was getting them….don’t think his instincts are great). Both of those traits will look better and be covered up a bit being next to Gortat.

Also a fun fact: best point guard he’s played with so far in his career? Take your pick between Mario Chalmers and Luke Ridinour. Think Nash might make scoring a bit easier for him – and when he can’t Beasley has an arsenal capable of creating his own offense.

If he can be had for a decent price then I think the Suns should jump all over it.

the team needs a go-to offensive player for crunch time, to take the load off of Nash

Problem is, if they go after the 2nd pick instead than we end up with no Gortat and no rebounding making things worse and just putting even more pressure on the team as a whole to not only play team defense, but gang rebound too. Getting

Beasley will only work if we keep Gortat. Giving up Gortat isn’t worth the risk.

I said it before, it’s may take Dudley, Lopez and the 13th to get Beasley. I’d like them to take Pietrus instead, but I don’t see it because he’d be just a rental. That would mean that we get our PF, but than were without a capable starting SG, so they better be wiling to overpay Afflalo because that’s what it’s going to take to pry him away from Denver.

I hate Flynn because he can’t make a jumpshot. Beasley is severely undersized for a PF. The only solution I can see is that the Suns should let go of Brooks and trade Dudley( + Warrick if possible) for a lottery pick and look to buy another 1st round pick. That would give the Suns 3 first round pick(at least 2 lottery picks). Hopefully the Suns will pick:
1. Biyombo or Motiejunas – Biyombo’s ridiculous wingspan, toughness and non-stop motor would immediately help the Suns against ultra-quick-paint-attacking guards. On the other hand, Motiejunas would give the Suns a legit 7-footer with a well polished post game and would not be entirely be dependent of Nash play-making abilities.
2. Chris Singleton – I love Dudley but if his contract can help the Suns shed the contract of Warrick or Childress I’d trade him for a lottery pick in this draft. In Chris Singleton, we’d get a guy capable and willing to guard anyone.
3. Charles Jenkins – Excellent shooting percentages, physical defender, team player and excellent work ethic all in one body.

I agree completely with Scott. I loved Beasley’s game in college and I think it’s a combination of lack of proper training and the natural growing pains that a 19-year-old will go through when joining the NBA. He’s got a lot of versatility and could very well be the scorer we need.

As far as Flynn goes, I’m with Seth on this one. I like his potential and I honestly think the whole Kurt Rambis/triangle offense stunted his growth. He had a decent first season and was nailed to the bench last season due to a lack of production, which I think stemmed from a lack of confidence. Put him on the Suns, playing behind Nash? He’ll get his mojo back and will prove to be a solid backup and perhaps a decent starter when Nash retires.

To me, there are two different scenarios:

Trade scenario #1: the Wolves aren’t hellbent on getting Gortat and will settle for getting Lopez, Dudley and the #13 for Beasley, Flynn and the #2. I’d prefer throwing Pietrus in there, but with one year left on his contract, he might be gone after that. Then again, I’m not sure what Pietrus’ value will be in the open market after the CBA change.

Trade scenario #2: the Wolves will not make the deal without Gortat, and we offer Gortat, Warrick and the #13 for Beasley, Flynn and the #2. We rid ourselves of a bad contract in Warrick and we pick up Beas and Flynn. With the #2, we could pick up someone to replace Warrick. Maybe someone like Williams or Valanciunas or Biyombo (might be reaching a bit for the other two) or we pick Williams and trade him for a valuable backup PF. There are a few options there.

Overall, I’m for this. If the deal is right, I say we pull the trigger.

I’m just hoping Kahn has another mental lapse and screws the T-Wolves over by doing the first deal.

I don’t hate Beasley, but I really don’t want to see the Suns give up Gortat and am not interested at all in Flynn

If there was a trade option for beasley without Gortat I’d have picked that one

If we’re gonna have a PF who is a scorer but not necessarily much of a defender or rebounder, as both Beasley and D-Will are, it makes Gortat that much more important.

I didn’t chime in on the previous Gortat discussion since I was out of town and it’s a pain to post from my phone, but here goes. When assessing a player’s value, it’s important to consider how hard it would be to replace the things he does, and how expensive it would be to replace him. If we trade Gortat, where are we going to find another dependable rebounder, strong defensive player, and high energy, great work ethic, near-7 footer like Gortat is? Forget upgrading from him. I’m asking how you even find another who does what he does at the very reasonable roughly $7M a year he makes? And what would you have to give up in picks or other players to get such a guy?

Yeah, I know, I’ve made comments here that are over the top in Gortat love, but I think most understand that I’m flippantly exaggerating for effect. I appreciate the hell out of the kind of player he is, but I would absolutely trade him. It’s just that we damn well better get a stud in return, and have some sort of plan B at center. And, as for the conversation about Gortat’s athletic ability or supposed lack of it, I don’t get that at all. He runs the floor all game long on a Suns team that is still pretty fast-paced. He sets pick after pick and continues to have the energy to go after rebounds and dive for the basket on feeds from Nash. He doesn’t jump “high enough” and throw down monster jams? And sometimes he even (gasp!) lays it in instead of dunking it? OK, so he won’t up on ESPN plays of the night very often and I couldn’t care less. Advanced stats win share and 82games.com’s simple rating had him as our second most effective player and he showed continuous improvement in his time in Phoenix. If you want to nitpick on the things he can’t do, fine. But I guarantee you’ll miss him if we ship him away.

Note: I check Canis Hoopus daily, so a lot of what I’m going to say is influenced heavily by the people that have seen thes eplayers the most.

Jonny Flynn: I really liked Jonny in college. That triple OT game was one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen. He was a great college player. But the NBA is another story. He is more of a streetball kind of player, a guy that has relied heavily on his athleticism to dominate. He’s very quick and and can jump out of the gym. But he’s short, turnover-prone, has poor shot-selection, and is not a great shooter. He has a long way to go to be a good NBA player. He was one of the worst players in the NBA last year (similar to Robin in that regard).

But that being said, he was in the worse possible situation. Many say he did not fit into the triangle. But what Minnesota ran wasn’t even a traditional triangle. It was a complete mess of an offense, and it would be difficult for anyone to succeed in those conditions. Jonny had surgery in the offseason, and never really got back to where he was. And it sounds like Rambis didn’t like him at all.

I really think (and CH agrees with me) that PHX would be the perfect environment for him to succeed in. I would not be averse to bringing him back in a trade, and Minny does want to move him. But we need to understand he is a serious risk and could easily bust like every other back-up PG we’ve had. Just don’t expect too much.

I haven’t seen a bunch of Beasley, but what I have seen has been impressive at times, and not so much at others. He has a ton of talent, but I really don’t like the way he plays the game. Terrible shot-selection and an unwillingness to move the ball. I really don’t like those kinds of players. But as I said above, Minny’s offense was horrid. He also looked disinterested on the defensive end to say the least.

But even so, there was a stretch where he played tremendous ball. He does have a unique ability for someone his size to put the ball in the hoop. Some good coaching and veteran leadership could really get him to harness his abilities and make him a star.

But there are the character questions, and there have been a lot of me-first, shoot-shoot-shoot guys in this league. How many of them have turned it around and became positive players? It is a risk.

I originally wanted no piece of Beasley. I really didn’t like some of the things I saw. As I said, I don’t like these kinds of players. But the more I read from the likes of Scott Howard, etc. and the more I thought about it, I came to some of the same conclusions as Alex did. Beasley really can be the guy we need, and this really could be the best situation for him.

Both of these players are huge risks but could also be just what we need. I wouldn’t break the bank for either one, but if we can get a good deal jump on it. Anything involving Nash, Gortat, Frye, and probably Dudley is too much for me.

To get Beasley i’d give up Lopez and throw in Brooks or Warrick. If the Wolves wanted Gortat for the number 2 pick i’d do that. What i would like to see is the Suns to see how desperate the Pistons are to get rid of Hamiltons contract. Give them Caters buy out deal and see if we could get Monroe or there 1st rounder, i think it’s pick 7. That would give us pick 2,7 and 13 to build around. For arguments sake we could draft Williams, Walker and Jimmer. Our problems at PF, SG and back up PG are now solved. So maybe we would have a starting line up look a little like this. Lopez, Williams, Hill, Hamilton, Nash. Walker and Jimmer can come of the bench at both guard positions with Frye and Dudley. It would be a waste if we couldn’t get one of the bigs off the Wolves hands.

Other than just that he’s not the second coming of Steve Nash.
I happen to think he’s a good, scrappy little player who did remarkably well (led team in scoring per minutes played) despite having very little time to learn the offense. He certainly outperformed Dragic in the backup PG role.
I think given some time to learn the system and his teammates, he’ll be a real weapon on this team and I’d hate to jettison him because he didn’t come in right away and turn around an already lost season, that was marked by epic fails at several positions and a reserve unit with very limited scoring ability.

I wouyld say the only way dudley gets dealt is if the other team takes on hak or chills deal,Both jd and gortats freindly cap #s are real values,I hope we dont trade either.

C,mon we got Nash, we dont need an useless not proven PG , we cant expect someone to be good, we need someone already good to help us go somewhere, if not, why would you keep Nash ? there is no time to hope for someone that was projected as the best pick and roll player, we cant afford to wait, we need to file the holes, we got how, i mean it just like it sounds, fuck the future, the present is now, and our present is Nash, a 37 pg who still is among the top PG in this league, give him a scoring SG and Scoring PF and he,ll take you to WCF, see 2009-2010 for more info, but if we had those pieces, with the experience Dudz and Frye had gained+Gortat+ a new defensive scheme, im pretty damm sure Nash would have been a NBA champion by now.

I think it would take Lopez, #13, Chill or Warrick and either Dudley or next season’s first rounder for Beasley. We could probably get back either Flynn or the #20 pick from them too. Who would you rather give up? Dudley or next season’s 1st rounder in a good draft?

Getting Beasley and giving up either Dudley or next season’s first rounder is a high risk/high reward kind of deal no matter what we choose really.

Maybe I’m actually being unrealistic and we could probably get Beas for less? I don’t know. I mean it’s hard determining his true value.

But if we can get Beasley, Flynn, and the 20th pick for Lopez and the 13th pick then that would be a no-brainer in my opinion. There’s no way I see Minn giving Beaz up for that though, and like others have noted I think either Dudley or Gortat would likely have to be involved…and unless they would also include the 2nd round pick in the deal, I think it would be too high a price for us to pay.

If we can somehow swing it, I think acquiring Beasley would be a good move. He’s still young, still improving, and I think most of his issues with immaturity are in the past. I don’t have anything against Beasley personally, and I think he would be a very good pick up that could possibly help turn our team around. We need to take a gamble like this if we are to have any hope of resurrecting our chances at contending anytime soon…What do we have to lose at this point?

according to his agent. Of course he had to do it by June 30 to guarantee income next season, but the timing is somewhat interesting. He could have waited till June 30 and made sure the Suns had no time to trade him.

Since he’s opted in already, the Suns now have 2 weeks to find him a new home if they want to.