BSOTS Draft Preview 2011: Tristan Thompson Is Canadian
by Omaha Sun on Jun 19, 2011 11:19 PM MST
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PrintThe following contains elements of Draft Express's breakdown of Tristan Thompson in addition to my own thoughts and opinions. Although I'll do my best to educate you about the strengths and weaknesses of the former Longhorn, I still highly recommend checking out Draft Express yourself.
TRISTAN THOMPSON
- Position - Power Foward
- School - Texas (1 season)
- Important Measurables - Height: 6'9"; Weight: 227 lbs; Wingspan: 7'1.25"; Standing Reach: 9'0.5"
- 2010-2011 Stats - 13.1 ppg, 7.8 rpg (3.8 orpg), 2.4 bpg, 54.6 fg%, 48.7 ft%
FIRST WORD
Tristan Thompson is probably the name that is most commonly linked to Phoenix in mock drafts. All the signs are pointing to the Suns drafting a big man, and Thompson could be the high-potential power forward the Suns desperately need. Hit the jump for a breakdown of his game.
OFFENSE
Thompson is a high-motor player who scores many of his points on hustle plays. He's very quick and is an excellent offensive rebounder which leads to a lot of easy put-backs and close looks. But outside of his offensive rebounding prowess, he is extremely raw offensively. While watching some clips of him, I was reminded of a young Amar'e Stoudemire. Thompson does not have any sort of a developed back-to-the-basket game and often resorted to crazy fall-away shots if he couldn't get close enough to dunk it. He also is not a particularly gifted passer. However, he did show signs of becoming a good face-up player as the season rolled on, preferring to use his quickness to blow by his man and finish at the rim. You may be saying to yourself at this point, "A young Amar'e? Draft that kid!" But the problem in that he's not Amar'e. STAT is bigger, more explosive, and has a uniquely soft touch around the basket that I just don't see with Thompson. This lack of touch and his raw skillset really manifest themselves in his mid-range jumper, which is virtually non-existent. With his quickness, he could develop into a nice pick-and-roll finisher, and this might be one area on offense where he can contribute.
DEFENSE
Where Thompson has a long way to go on offense, he is much more ready to contribute defensively. His quick feet and length mean he can be a real disruptive force in the paint. Although a bit under-sized, Thompson has a strong lower body and will hopefully be able to hold his own in the post. His game against Arizona's Derrick Williams, where he held the top pick to just 4-14 shooting, shows that he has what it takes to lock down the best of the best. DX suggests that he may even be able to stay with some small forwards, which is a testament to his defensive versatility. Considering how good the Texas big man is at cleaning up the offensive glass, it may surprise you to learn that his defensive rebounding fundamentals are not quite up to snuff. He is often caught out of position and can frequently be seen watching the ball rather than looking for a man to box out. This is an area he must improve, although with the effort he shows in the rest of his game this should be easily corrected.
PERSONALITY/CHARACTER
Here's his interview with DX so you can judge this category for yourself. I will say this though: Earl Clark he is not.
Tristan Thompson Draft Combine Interview (via DraftExpress)
Oh, and he's Canadian.
BRINGING IT ALL TOGETHER
Tristan Thompson has a lot of potential, but he has a long way to go. He will likely be more ready to play right away than last year's draft pick Gani Lawal, and he could challenge Lawal and Hakim Warrick for the back-up PF spot as a rookie. But if he's taken, don't expect much more than Lou Amundson production.
If you don't believe me, here's DX's conclusion:
Thompson's potential, at this point at least, far outweighs his ability to contribute in the NBA and any team looking to draft him should be patient. It would be ideal for Thompson to develop alongside of a skilled center and a creative point guard, as his energy and athleticism are by far his most attractive attributes at this stage and he will likely struggle to create or produce on his own much initially. It is far more likely, however, that he will begin his career coming off of the bench and that playing time will depend on his energy level and defensive effectiveness.
I'm not sure how much of his potential Thompson will be able to realize, but judging by this paragraph Phoenix seems to be an excellent team for him to begin his career with. Marcin Gortat anchoring the middle means he can be free to move around off the ball, and Steve Nash will always get him the ball where he can be successful with it. While he's not my favorite prospect in this draft, I wouldn't mind if he's the pick at #13 (assuming players like Biyombo, etc. are already gone).
So what do you think my fellow Bright-Siders?
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I’m sorry Wilfredo that I didn’t really get around to this sooner. I see that BSotS has already put the draft team together, and it appears I missed out. I was planning on doing a massive write-up, but life got in the way. Here is the part that I finished however.
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Hey this was a great writeup, Omaha. Thanks for the contribution to draft coverage.
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nevertheless you got the front page, pal. Nice work.
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by Wil Cantrell on Jun 20, 2011 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks guys,
and it was my pleasure.
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Great work Omaha
before, all I wanted for the Suns to draft was Jimmer or Biyombo … but after all, it looks like this Tristan Thompson is a likeable guy and could be a special player. After watching vids of him in college, I’m okay with it if Suns draft him at 13. And you were right, we’re not getting anyone good at 13 anyway.
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Nice to see a workup on this player
since he’s the most likely guy to end up in a Suns uniform.
This guy is going to be a “solid rotation player” – in about 3 years, for somebody. I don’t think the Suns need any more role players, so Thompson isn’t high on my wish list.
The best thing about selecting Thompson will be that he pushes Hakim Warrick out of the regular rotation.
Bismack Biyombo or Bust!!!
I like his potential,
but it’s a bummer that he has a similar playstyle to Lawal. I’d rather have us take a different player type, but if there’s nothing else left at 13, I will gladly settle for this guy.
I don't think he's that similar to Lawal...
I think Omaha had it correct when he said he is much more similar to a raw and slightly shorter young Amare. I agree with everything Omaha said in the article about his lack of touch and finess…but those are things which can be developed for the most part.
I really do like his potential and there’s no doubt Rhompson already knows how to use his body (power + athleticism) to score in the low post…I think this aspect of his game will almost certainly continue to improve and it is this aspect I think would help us the most.
If I wasn’t also so high on Jimmer, Biyombo, and Brooks I would be all over drafting this guy. I have a feeling a lot of fans would be disappointed if we end up taking him at #13, but he could really end uo being one heck of a player for us!
by 7footer on Jun 20, 2011 10:42 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Good assessment 7ft, and great article, Omaha.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jun 20, 2011 10:54 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks BBB.
The touch is true to a certain extent, but I also think it’s something you have or you don’t. MOst guys that are terrible shooters just do not have any touch on their shot, and that is something that can be difficult to change. It can be done, but it’s not something you bank on.
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So
On Hollinger’s recent draft rater. Thompson is actually rated behind Irving and Williams. In fact his rating is actually higher than Williams. This could mean he is a steal, but it also means he could move up too high for us to draft. In fact I have already seen a few mocks that have him going 6 to the Wizards or 9 to the Bobcats.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jun 20, 2011 10:02 AM MST reply actions
One can only hope!
let us get down on our knees and pray to Michael Jordan that he wastes the #9 pick on him
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Early on, all the mocks had that. Now, a lot of them have him to us at 13, and I’ve seen a few lower than that. I’m not sure he is dropping on a lot of the mocks.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jun 20, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
He wouldn't really work out for anyone later than 13.
His camp believes PHX is his floor.
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EDIT I’m not sure WHY he is dropping on a lot of the mocks
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jun 20, 2011 9:15 PM MST up reply actions
I'm glad to read this because I've seen his name in numerous mock drafts, and had no idea what he was about.
Looks like he has the potential to fit in here.
Great stuff.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jun 20, 2011 10:49 AM MST reply actions
No problem DIM.
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Hadn't paid much attention to Thompson until the tournament
He was dominant in Texas’ first round win over Oakland, with 17 points, 10 rebounds and 7 blocks, outplaying much-hyped Oakland big man Keith Benson. Certainly passed the eyeball test for me, but he definitely is raw. Looked like he was getting by on his athleticism, not surprising for a young player like him. On the higher end of the risk/reward scale, and I’m OK with that. No complaints from me if we take him, depending on who else is available.
Note that his Texas teammate Jordan Hamilton is about the same height and weight as Thompson and was a better rebounder than Thompson last year.
Defensively yes.
Thompson is a really good offensive rebounder though, which is something this team lacks (at least in the regular rotation).
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But he plays defense!
Seriously though, if we could get a guy that was both a good defender and offensive player he’d be a top 5 pick in this draft. You can’t have both, it’s either one or the other. Our team needs to get better defensively and we need a scorer. I’d rather use our pick to get a defender than a scorer because I’m not going to count on a rookie who was selected at 13 to suddenly be our go to guy.
The exception is Jimmer because he also has the potential to replace Nash who will be gone soon and this team needs a reliable backup PG.
Don't trade Dudley!
But will Gentry play him? He kept Chilldress on the bench who is a better defender than Carter
I don’t like Jimmer. I’d take Jenkins over him but not at the 13th pick.
I don't care who starts anymore...
He'll play him if he's good and ready enough to beat both Warrick and Lawal out of the rotation.
It shouldn’t be hard to beat Warrick out of the rotation either. He doesn’t play defense and his offense is very limited and inconsistent.
Don't trade Dudley!
We had 5 wings last year and Childress lost out to Pietrus and Carter because he couldn't shoot and for a wing you need to do that.
Not that Carter will be gone, Chill should get more minutes.
Don't trade Dudley!
Who in the heck is that? Why should we care or try to get him?
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jun 20, 2011 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jun 20, 2011 1:59 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, that's who I thought of.
Or this guy-
Don't trade Dudley!
by Beavis 25 on Jun 20, 2011 2:02 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Ooh, that guy is legit.
Looks more equipped for basketball than the other.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jun 20, 2011 2:05 PM MST up reply actions
Or football.
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In water...
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I meant your post entitled “but he plays defense”
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jun 20, 2011 1:25 PM MST up reply actions
Who would you rather take?
Thompson- poor offensive player with much potential in that area. Good defender, but questionable rebounder.
Faried- poor offensive player with little potential in that area. Great rebounder, but questionable defender.
Both these guys can contribute right away in a Lou Amundson role. Thompson has the potential to become an all-around player while Faried has the potential to become a rebounding and defensive specialist with little offense.
I’d be fine with either one and would take them over the Morris Brothers. I’m still not so sure about Byombo, I think he’s more hype than anything. Everything about him is questionable. Plus, what if we end up hurting his development more than anything because our coaching staff can’t teach defense and rebounding? The same could be said for the guys above as well. They and Byombo would probably be better off going to a team like the Spurs, Nuggets, Bulls… Yea, if we get a defensive coordinator that would make me feel better about taking these guys, but still, this is Phoenix where defense doesn’t happen.
I know that kind of contradicts what I said above, but it’s something to think about. Maybe we are better off taking an offensive player? Yet at some point, this franchise needs to man up and learn how to play defense. I’m still having memories of Nocioni bullying our front-line and putting up like 33 points. Better to start now than never.
Any news on the potential defensive coordinators they’ll hire? I know Gentry said he had a few more interviews to do.
Don't trade Dudley!
I'd take Motiejunas at the 13th pick (if he's available) and buy another 1st pick for Jenkins.
I don't care who starts anymore...
He will be, some mocks have him going at 20.
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well, in terms of what the Suns need I don’t think Montejuinas is the guy. His motor and rebounding are weak.
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His offensive potential relies on the Suns finding another PG with Nash' caliber of playmaking skills
I think the Suns would be better serve if we could get a PF who can readily create his own shot, not to mention someone that comes with a polished post play and footwork.
I don't care who starts anymore...
That wouldn't be his offensive "potential" that you're talking about
That’s his current offensive game. To reach his potential, he’d obviously have to work to develop his footwork/skillset.
Re-sign BAMF.
Enes Kanter and Derrick Williams will be long gone by the time we pick.
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I don't get why Biyombo is questionable
What’s questionable about a huge wingspan or vertical leap?
Why does a year in Spanish league count for less than a year in college? I mean… Spanish league is tougher than college ball.
Why does everyone assume that no jumpshot = no offense? The guy is averaging 3 FT attempts a game in limited minutes.
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I'm solon BIYOOOOOOOMBOOOOO!!!!!!!!
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*sold on
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How did we get through an entire breakdown on Tristan Thompson without mentioning he's Canadian?
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Eww, Canadian?
The only Canadian I like is Steve Nash.
I rock so get used to it.
by Colton Dodson on Jun 20, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
Or that he was featured on sports science...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZfyphN7M0c
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Well that's an easy one
Science is for NERDS. LOLZ…right fellas?
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by Scott Howard on Jun 20, 2011 1:19 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Aren't blogs too...?
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
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No because we're talking sports.
It’s so simple Euty.
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by Scott Howard on Jun 20, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
That's why they pay you the big bucks
*enlightened
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
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The guy on the CBS college hoops scouting report for Hamilton
Mentioned that he was from California in his statement that his Hamilton’s motor is iffy, as if that’s relevant. Apparently, nobody in the state of California works. I’d research this, but I’m too lazy.
What Canadian stereotype can we attach to Thompson? Questionable commitment because he’s too preoccupied with hockey and Bryan Adams?
by East Bay Ray on Jun 20, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
That was pretty nifty.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jun 20, 2011 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
D'oh!
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Is that better?
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Wiki calls him a "cornerman".
In a lifetime of watching and talking about basketball, I have never heard this term before today. Has anybody else?
Cornerman is a term used in basketball to denote a player who can play both the small forward and power forward basketball positions. “Cornerman” is sometimes interchangeably used with the term “forward” 1, but generally refers to players that can play both forward positions.
no, but I will now
I mean, I’d heard of swingman- SG and SF.
i always thought that someone who could play both Sf and PF was just called a forward. I guess there is an actual name for it.
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Or tweener.
Although I suppose that’s more for guys that are in between the 2 spots.
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lol, same. never heard that. Guess they mean people like Lamar Odom.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jun 20, 2011 3:23 PM MST up reply actions
Gambo
is claiming he’s hearing RoLo for GS#11 & Udoh
I know you like Faried. I think Udoh is better.
Not that it’s a be all, end all stat, but Udoh had the best on court/off court numbers of any Warriors player last year. He’s a guy who will always look better in advanced stats than basic ones. Having him to back up Gortat and Frye (or new PF) would be awesome.
by East Bay Ray on Jun 20, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions
He looks like a bigger version of Brian Skinner to me which isn't an insult.
That’s a reliable backup. It’s his ceiling that I question.
Don't trade Dudley!
Udoh was the freaking SIXTH pick last year
And he missed half the season with an injury. Gani Lawal missed most of his rookie season with an injury and people are touting him to be Jesus 2.0. Thus since Gani was a mid 2nd round pick and Udoh was the 6th pick, the transitive property would suggest that Udoh will revolutionize the game.
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by Scott Howard on Jun 20, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
With that said, I'd be surprised if they pull this off.
They might have to include Pietrus and I’m not so sure I want to do that because we won’t have anyone backing up Dudley and when Affalo is asking for 8-10 mil.
Don't trade Dudley!
Living here in Warriors land, I know a lot about the guy.
He’s spoken of well, although some fans thought he was a reach at #6 because of his lack of much of an offensive game. He’s dirt worker extraordinaire though, and has a reputation as a hard worker and good teammate.
by East Bay Ray on Jun 20, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
I really liked Udoh at Baylor. I’d love to have him on this team. And he’s not exactly polished offensively, but he’s not a stiff either.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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by Scott Howard on Jun 21, 2011 3:19 AM MST up reply actions
I'm meh on both of those
I don’t like giving up on Lopez but Udoh’s oikay, and the 11 is an additional lottery pick.
One thing I’ve learned though is to always think the opposite of what Gambo says.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
That's generally true.
But he does have the inside sources (which he then passes off like his opinion).
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by Scott Howard on Jun 20, 2011 2:44 PM MST up reply actions
Then put them together for a higher pick.
I hear cleveland is shopping the 4
by Suns Fan For Life on Jun 20, 2011 2:44 PM MST up reply actions
Who the heck is Iman Shumpert?
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jun 20, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, me too
I don’t even know this name, and I’ve been reading a bunch of mock drafts
Bismack Biyombo or Bust!!!
Shumpert is a combo guard that has zero PG skills and zero jumpshot.
All he does is defend.
I don't care who starts anymore...
Sounds promising.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jun 20, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
PG. Most didn’t have him in the first round until lately. After workouts, several have him listed in the 15-20 range going to Packers or Knicks, etc.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jun 20, 2011 3:26 PM MST up reply actions
The Packers don't really need a PG.
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Lol. Well, now that that Brett Favrah guy is gone…………… Pacers
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jun 20, 2011 10:25 PM MST up reply actions
Guard from Georgia Tech
We’re looking to rebuild the 2009-2010 Georgia Tech basketball team in the pros.
Lawal? Check.
Shumpert? Check.
You’re next Derrick Favors and Glen Rice Jr.
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by Scott Howard on Jun 20, 2011 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
Ah, that seems like a wise plan.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jun 20, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
Since they were a 10 seed in the NCAA tournament and were knocked out in the 2nd round....
Obviously it’s fool proof.
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by Scott Howard on Jun 20, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
Seems to be.
I hope their idea comes to fruition.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jun 20, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
I blame that mostly on Shumpert's lack of PG skills.
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I’d be down with that, if we got Favors, lol
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jun 20, 2011 3:26 PM MST up reply actions
A pick and a defensive player for a barely moving 7 footer?
Nah, I don’t believe they’re that dumb.
I don't care who starts anymore...
Neither do i
Its decision time;
Lets win as much as we need to at least make the playoffs OR suck so bad we get a top 5 pick... i doubt the latter will be possible as some other teams (min, lac etc) made the decision earlier than us...
by jatrex4suns on Jun 20, 2011 2:47 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I question that too, but Lopez was a good player in 09-10.
He still has a lot of potential.
I’d think we’d have to at least give up a 2nd round pick.
Don't trade Dudley!
If this rumor is true, then let's throw them Warrick's contract for free
I don't care who starts anymore...
Excellent
Throw in Curry too for Carters contract
I don't care who starts anymore...
by Spit_Fire on Jun 20, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec
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Which is why i don’t wanna give him up.
I think this should be discussed on twitter, got 2 go set it up
Its decision time;
Lets win as much as we need to at least make the playoffs OR suck so bad we get a top 5 pick... i doubt the latter will be possible as some other teams (min, lac etc) made the decision earlier than us...
by jatrex4suns on Jun 20, 2011 2:57 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
That's a great trade for us if it's real
Gambo seems to be Sarver’s preferred mouthpiece, but so far the only thing that’s proved is that they’re both idiots
Bismack Biyombo or Bust!!!
by jc79 on Jun 20, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Sarver’s media bitch
Its decision time;
Lets win as much as we need to at least make the playoffs OR suck so bad we get a top 5 pick... i doubt the latter will be possible as some other teams (min, lac etc) made the decision earlier than us...
by jatrex4suns on Jun 20, 2011 2:58 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
That will be a great trade 4 the suns
I was happy when i saw it on twitter, but then thought to myself; its to good for the suns to pull off
Its decision time;
Lets win as much as we need to at least make the playoffs OR suck so bad we get a top 5 pick... i doubt the latter will be possible as some other teams (min, lac etc) made the decision earlier than us...
by jatrex4suns on Jun 20, 2011 2:46 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Here it is
http://twitter.com/#!/gambo620
by Suns Fan For Life on Jun 20, 2011 2:49 PM MST up reply actions
Whats ur twitter reference?
Really need tweeps to discuss suns
Its decision time;
Lets win as much as we need to at least make the playoffs OR suck so bad we get a top 5 pick... i doubt the latter will be possible as some other teams (min, lac etc) made the decision earlier than us...
by jatrex4suns on Jun 20, 2011 2:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'd take that in a heartbeat.
We’re talking about a draft pick higher than where Lopez was originally drafted, and a player who was drafted higher than Lopez was. And Udoh isn’t a headcase with health concerns like Lopez is. I’ve said “don’t sell Lopez low”. This isn’t low. Actually, it sounds too good to be true.
by East Bay Ray on Jun 20, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
If it is really being discussed, then MP will likely be in the mix
Its decision time;
Lets win as much as we need to at least make the playoffs OR suck so bad we get a top 5 pick... i doubt the latter will be possible as some other teams (min, lac etc) made the decision earlier than us...
by jatrex4suns on Jun 20, 2011 2:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Fine with me
He is extra right now. Plus I think they like him over there from his time before. Plus he is a chucker so he fits right in. Does that mean 2 out of the 3 of jimmer/biyombo/thompson? Or is there something else in mind?
by Suns Fan For Life on Jun 20, 2011 2:52 PM MST up reply actions
If we pull this off without giving up the 13, I’d imagine some combination of Biyombo!, Burks, K. Thompson, and T. Thompson with the 2 picks. 1 used to draft Peaches’ replacement and the other one for Warrick’s replacement.
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Lopez went to Stanford
in NorCal. GS would be a good place for him. He’d be a hometown hero.
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I also think the change of scenery might do him good.
By the end of last season, he looked frustrated as hell, and Gentry was just as frustrated in him.
by East Bay Ray on Jun 20, 2011 3:14 PM MST up reply actions
That's exactly why this doesn't sound right...
So GS will trade a 2010 #6 pick PF/C who has yet to reach his potential PLUS the #11 pick in the 2011 draft…for a 2008 #15 pick C who has yet to reach his potential but also comes with a bad back?
That would be a crazy good deal for us…We don’t ever seem to get that lucky.
Well, this is the team who thought hiring Mark Jackson as head coach was a wise decision.
Jerry West is 73. Maybe he’s going senile?
by East Bay Ray on Jun 20, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
He traded Pau for Kwame.
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Nope. He had already left the Grizzlies when that deal went down.
And the Grizzlies got Marc Gasol out of it too.
by East Bay Ray on Jun 20, 2011 4:30 PM MST up reply actions
Yea, but nobody knew Marc would be good.
Just imagine if Amar’e was still with us and we were trading him for the 2nd pick in this year’s draft and Darko. LA got Gasol for nothing.
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He didn't trade Pau for Marc Gasol and Kwame
He traded for Kwame and a second rounder, it could have been anyone, credit goes to scouts for getting Marc Gasol. Sorry you were right about him leaving, but he was trying to trade Gasol, he said something along the lines of Gasol being an all-star but the Grizz need a superstar and they were going nowhere with the current team.
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I really don't want to argue this trade again, but...
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by East Bay Ray on Jun 20, 2011 6:27 PM MST up reply actions
I never denied Marc Gasols BB Skills
I’m saying they didn’t know he would be any good, he wasn’t proven. It just like if we trade Gortat for the #2 pick. People criticize it because the player is unproven and Gortat is. But it a few years the #2 pick could be the one being an all time leader in FG for the Suns.
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No
It is more like we trade Amar’e for a recent second round pick who was in Europe, fat, and looked like he would be OK, but who knows?
Ohho, I'd take it.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jun 20, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t think they’d give us one of those for Lopez, let alone both. We’d have to give something else.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jun 20, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
I think were undervauling Lopez, remember don't sell him low.
But yea, Robin for the 11th pick AND Udoh is kind of a stretch, we’d be very lucky if they could pull that off.
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This is hilarious.
You and I are taking opposite positions from the pro and con Lopez pieces we wrote.
by East Bay Ray on Jun 20, 2011 3:35 PM MST up reply actions
I guess we kind of are, but still you have to ask yourself
Would you trade the 09-10 Robin Lopez for the 11th pick in a weak draft and this Udoh guy who can still turn into a bust?
The Warriors are looking to strengthen their front-court, so this deal wouldn’t make sense. I would imagine Lopez for the 11th pick only would get it done.
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I actually would too because at this time last year I was trying to trade him, but not many people would listen to me.
That’s why I brought it up. People were overrating him last year and this year I think we’re underrating him. Robin Lopez for Udoh? Not likely. Lopez for Udoh and the 11th? Lol. Lopez for the 11th pick? Maybe.
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I'm thinking Lopez & 13
for Udoh and 11 might be the real deal. Not a lot of difference between 11 & 13 here.
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That would be more reasonable.
Pretty fair deal right there.
by East Bay Ray on Jun 20, 2011 4:01 PM MST up reply actions
If that is the real deal which I think it would be than I'm pretty sure were after Jimmer.
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That is the rumor I am hearing as well
moving up ahead of utah to take jimmer
by Suns Fan For Life on Jun 20, 2011 4:26 PM MST up reply actions
I'd want us to take Bismack
Udoh+Bismack=awesomeness
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Eh, I don't think I'd want both.
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Yeah, that sounds like the right deal...
Except Gambo, the same guy that started the rumor, said the Suns are trying to get two first round picks for a PG and PF. So according to him the deal really is #11 + Udoh for Lopez, which sounds too good to be true.
by 7footer on Jun 20, 2011 4:51 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
could be 2 different deals, and he doesn’t have all the info.
Could be 13/Lopez for Udoh/11 and then a separate deal to get a lower #1 for Shumpert or Morris.
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Yep heard that on the radio
on the way home.
And really, who the fuck is Iman Shumpert? Are we picking prospects based on how easy it is to make dirty-sounding nicknames for them now?
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Why assume best case scenario for Lopez but not for Udoh or the player we would get with the pick?
Udoh won’t bust. He won’t be a star or probably even ever a starter, but he’ll be a very good backup big man for years.
by East Bay Ray on Jun 20, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
I was just trying to make a point, but your right.
We shouldn’t assume best or worst case with either player. Most people here are assuming worst case for Lopez, but the guy still has got a lot of potential and has shown more than Udoh. I don’t think trading him for the 11th pick a lone is too far fetched.
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Neither can Lopez
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But he can block
1.5 blocks in less than 18 min. He averaged almost 3 the last few games of the season when given more minutes
by Suns Fan For Life on Jun 20, 2011 4:28 PM MST up reply actions
Which is why I question how good he really is.
He looks like a Brian Skinner, but with a bit more offense and potential.
Don't trade Dudley!
So we'd have...
1. A three point shooting big who can’t rebound and can barely defend.
2. A Dunking 4 who can’t rebound or defend.
3. A shot blocking 4 who can’t rebound or shoot.
ICK!
Maybe we can splice their genes together
and make one complete player.
or maybe what we create will be a crime against nature.
Either way, good times!
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Even spliced together
They wouldn’t be able to rebound!
That's not the question at all
Would you rather 09-10 Lopez playing behind Gortat?
I am guessing one of our other guys is involved
I would let go of Pietrus/Childress/Warrick with lopez. Maybe even sign and trade brooks if that is possible in this scenario. Doesn’t seem likely that you could package that with another player. Alex, your the salary guy, does that work?
by Suns Fan For Life on Jun 20, 2011 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, a straight Udoh/Lopez swap is not possible. Lopez makes 1 mil less (Udoh = 3 mil, Lopez = 2 mil).
Unlessss….each team uses an available trade exception to make it 2 separate deals (ie. Lopez for #11, then Udoh for #13).
Otherwise, more players are required. And the only 2 real options are for the Suns to toss in Lawal AND Dowdell (they make 700K total) or make it a huge trade that includes Ellis or Biedrins for Chill/Pietrus/Dudley combo… In other words, it sounds quite sticky.
Brooks cannot be traded at all, until the new CBA is done.
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Why the hell would the Warriors do that.
We totally win that.
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I was just talking about that.
That was surreal….ESPN had the trade on the screen and was showing reaction shots of the Suns war room celebrating when Curry was on the board with the GSW pick. I was convinced he was gone.
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by Scott Howard on Jun 20, 2011 3:00 PM MST up reply actions
that was a bizarre night...
I actually texted a few of my friends that Amare’s days as a Sun were over, officially
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so than the actual rumor is just Lopez for the 11th pick.
the rest is just “maybe”.
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and for the maybe
Many will wonder why the Warriors would consider such a deal. According to Gambadoro there may be two reasons. One, Golden State is in desperate need of size, and two, Lopez’s former agent is now part of the team’s front office.
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Maybe it will be like the Turkoglu Babby thing.
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no way Lopez is worth the 11th pick. In his own draft, he was #15 and he’s been underwhelming and injured.
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Yes but this draft is considered weaker than that one
so maybe #11 is right about his worth.
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I think the Suns plan is this if they make the deal with GSW
Get ahead of Utah to draft Jimmer
Utah will probably draft Donatas, so we could get Tristan Thompson.
Then we could trade Warrick for Cash or a 2nd rounder or something or include him in the Warriors deal. Vince Carter would be bought out obviously. I would assume Pietrus is also traded or if he is not Childress is, I just say Pietrus is. We would also let Aaron Brooks walk and try to sign a SG, lets just say Aaron Affalo. Then we would have
C – Gortat, Udoh
PF – Frye, Thompson, Udoh
SF – Hill, Childress
SG – Affalo, Dudley
PG – Nash, Jimmer, Dowdell
Pretty good, young team, but not playoff contenders yet, just a very deep team.
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Better than now
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Yes, by subtraction
Warrick out of the rotation = better team. The rest of the guys could never step foot on the court, and we would still be a better team.
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Afflalo gets more than the MLE IMHO
or at it he stays in Denver.
Thompson and Hamilton are on ESPN Classic right now.
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I really don’t get Tristan Thompson…he’s basically Gani Lawal and we already have one of them called Gani Lawal
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He's a similar player, but I think he's a bit more NBA-ready and has more potential.
Which doesn’t say a whole lot for Gani (love the guy though).
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Seriously?
CLE is considering him at #4? I’m not even sold on him at #13. I hope this happens because that means 1 guy that otherwise would not have been available at our pick will be.
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You know what I'm talking about.
Biyomboooo!!!!
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