OT: My Thoughts on the OKC Situation
Over the last few years, the Oklahoma City Thunder have been among the NBA's best run franchises. Their metioric rise from the top of the lottery to the Western Conference Finals is a testament to the savvy of Thunder general manager Sam Presti. The team has an incredibly talented young core with plenty of potential for further development.
But after their defeat at the hands of a much more experienced Dallas Mavericks squad, many are calling for the Thunder to trade their explosive young point guard and second-leading scorer Russell Westbrook.
Critics look at Westbrook's high field goal attempt and turnover totals during the playoffs, and conclude that his style contrasts too much with Thunder forward and back-to-back league scoring leader Kevin Durant. They argue that Durant and his teammates would benefit more from a distributing point guard who looks to set up his teammates before getting his own shot.
That logic is not without some merit. But such a move would be unwise and would contradict the strategy that has served them so well during their re-building period: developing their own young talent.
Russell Westbrok is one of the best young point guards in the game. He was named to the All-NBA Second Team this season after averaging 21.9 points and 8.2 assists per game and also made his first All-Star Game appearance. He led his team, along with Durant, to the fourth best record in the Western Conference and a deep playoff run. So if Westbrook and Durant are such a terrible marriage, how did the team have so much success? They had to have been doing something right to have won fifty-five games.
The Oklahoma City team we saw during the playoffs was not the same team we saw during the regular season. Westbrook ran the team well and found a good balance between shooting and passing. He and Durant played very well together, as Durant lead the league in scoring for the second consecutive season and was named to the All-NBA First Team. Westbrook was also among the top ten for assists during the season. So that begs the question: what changed? The simple answer: they ran into a great defense.
Throughout the Western Conference Finals fans were subject to the same mantra being repeated over and over again by nearly every television analyst: "Westbrook is shooting too much. He needs to give the ball to Durant." While this was true to a certain extent, and Westbrook did try to do too much at times, saying "They need to get the ball to Durant more," is over-simplifying the situation.
Dallas came ready with a tremendous defensive game plan to deny Durant the ball and make him work for every shot. Outside of Durant and Westbrook, there is not a single player in the Oklahoma City starting line-up who can get his own shot with any sort of consistency. The ultra-quick Westbrook had a mismatch as he was being defended by the likes of the aged Jason Kidd and the diminutive Jason Terry and J.J. Barea. Thunder coach Scott Brooks elected to take advantage of that mismatch rather than forcing it to Durant.
If anyone deserves blame and criticism, it is Brooks. Dallas won the season series with Oklahoma City two games to one and used the same defensive strategy that they used during the playoffs: shut everyone else down and goad Westbrook into trying to do too much. Brooks is the one who failed to make the necessary schematic adjustments needed to win. He never devised an offense capable of beating the Dallas defense. Oklahoma City collapsed at the end of more than one game because they simply could not put the ball in the basket.
Durant deserves his share of the blame for the loss as well. He was far from the MVP candidate many saw him as during the regular season. The talented scorer was ice-cold from three-point range and struggled to get off quality shots against the pressure defense of the Mavericks.
Westbrook's teammates, his coach, and even his opponents all backed him one hundred percent amidst all the criticism. The questions about Durant and Westbrook seem silly, as the two appear to be great friends and are among the league's most talented young players. The pair made it work for most of the year, and there is no reason to believe they won't continue to do so moving forward. They are still learning how to play together, and both have plenty of room for improvement.
Oklahoma City's five-game series loss to the Dallas Mavericks was not Russell Westbrook's fault. It was a systematic failure by the entire team. Dallas just proved that it was the superior team. But that does not mean the Thunder should make any major roster changes like many believe. It just means they have to get back in the gym, and grow together as a team.
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comments on both the content and writing style are much appreciated.
And please don’t vote “Trade Westbrook” because you want PHX to get him. Offer your opinions, and if you so desire refute my points in the comments.
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They are talking about a westbrook paul trade,
So y not?
I'm from Chicago. I like the Phoenix Suns more than the Chicago Bulls
by sunsfanfromchitown on Jun 6, 2011 4:08 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Where did you see this?
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that’s just OKC fans wishing. Everyone else knows they are crazy.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jun 8, 2011 8:11 PM MST up reply actions
I voted trade Westbrook
because I think C.Paul will fit better with Durant’s style of play. but that’s just me
I don't know what to put in my sig.
Obviously if you can get Chris Paul you do it.
He’s the best PG in the league and for my money a top 5 player.
But is that realistic? I doubt it.
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Reports said Hornets laughed at the idea of trading Paul for Westbrook so I guess this is unlikely to happen
I don't know what to put in my sig.
Westbrook is only 22, so he's got a lot to learn. Just keep him and Durant together.
Don't trade Dudley!
This is basically a 2-sentence summary of my entire post.
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They should keep Westbrook...
and trade Durant to PHX!
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Jun 4, 2011 9:37 PM MST reply actions
The answer is obvious in my opinion:
keep Westbrook. The dude averaged 8,2 assists, that’s not anywhere in the vicinity of bad for a score-first type PG. Plus, he has had tremendous progress every year in the league, so there’s nothing that points to him not having having it next season as well. But that doesn’t mean I would mind seeing him in purple and orange…
I agree with your analysis.
Westbrook did struggle at times this postseason, but that happens to lots of players in the postseason. Usually the team that wins gets better performances from their players, duh, and eventually only one team wins so that’s a lot of opportunities for the vanquished to struggle.
He is more of a score first point guard, but he was 9th in the league in assists this year. He was 7th in the postseason in assists for that matter. Only two players in the postseason even averaged over 7.7 assists per game, so maybe that says something about the style not being conducive to racking up gaudy assist totals….
At 22, Westbrook is easily one of the league’s best young point guards. We have people on this site who won’t give up a 27 year old Gortat who has started 17 games in his career for a #2 overall pick. By that measure I’m pretty sure Phoenix should be able to get Westbrook for their #13, Chilly, and Pietrus!
I like it when there’s a little variety on here besides the standard gushing over the Suns. I said last offseason that I thought the Thunder’s future was a lot brighter than the Suns. My remarks were met with stiff opposition and vitriole.
OKC should be at the top of the western conference food chain for many years to come if they can keep their young nucleus intact.
Never confuse activity with achievement.
I was also going to mention Harden's emergence as a secondary playmaker, but I didn't want it to get too long.
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I agree with your post
but harden is the caveat. one could argue that with a player like harden in their pocket they can afford to give up westbrook for the right piece. but for the most part I can’t think of any player that will do them more good then another season of court time together.
"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH
My argument would go the other way.
Harden is the perfect SG to complement Westbrook as he is capable off playing off the ball and being a spot-up shooter when Westbrook is hot and doing his thing, but he is equally capable of being the primary ball-handler thus allowing Westbrook to act as a slasher and offensive rebounder when Westbrook is a little off his game. It worked beautifully at the end of the Dallas series.
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It sounds nice in theory
But it’s incredibly dependent on Westbrook losing that gigantic ego. He can improve that jumper, but adjusting his attitude is a huge question mark.
Achievement is its own reward, pride obscures it.
by hcblankscreen on Jun 7, 2011 10:37 PM MST up reply actions
Eh, it looked pretty good to me when they did it and I didn't see Westbrook complaining.
Maybe I’m just being optimistic, but I don’t think it will be too much of a problem if he gets some solid coaching.
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Agreed, a coaching change could be huge for him
I also don’t think he has a problem with letting Harden run the offense (in stretches), but I don’t think you can rely on a guy that young and with that personality to adjust his game based on how well he’s playing.
Achievement is its own reward, pride obscures it.
by hcblankscreen on Jun 8, 2011 12:01 AM MST up reply actions
That is a good point.
Like I said, it’s going to take some growth by the entire team. But I think they can do it.
But if Westbrook turns into Monta Ellis, all bets are off.
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It was interesting
watching the offense when Harden was in. It really made things alot smoother. With someone like him you can sometimes let Westbrook just do his thing. I sometimes compare Nash and Westbrook and cant understand how the young guy plays, but how many pg’s come in averaging double digit assists. He is so young and immature yet. Plus, we are truly blessed to watch the best pure passer of the last 20+ years
by Suns Fan For Life on Jun 5, 2011 6:24 PM MST up reply actions
Harden's development as a playmaker might make the Thunder's decision to trade Westbrook more interesting..
For one thing, Westbrook still has room for improvement and I think Scott Brooks, their coach, also has a lot to learn from these playoffs. Harden plays much better when he is not viewed as a primary threat; he has the talents to sprout into that number two guy, but his role now as it is suits the team perfectly. The Thunder will probably not trade Westbrook because there is no evidencet hat would suggest that they would take such a big risk in trading him.
There's really no need to trade him unless they can get another superduperstar to pair with Durant, like Chris Paul or someone like that
If that deal isn’t out there, then you’d be really stupid to trade a 22 year old All-NBA player.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Is Westbrook really a point guard?
He’d be AWESOME as a Dumars like combo in a three guard rotation.
Would free him to be a defensive stopper as well – he is so big and strong he can guard pretty much any one or two.
Might be hard to sell him on that, though.
He's as much a PG as any of the young generation of stud points.
With the exception of a Chris Paul and Deron WIlliams that is.
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The problem is....
None of these “young stud pg’s” are true pg. They are scoring gaurds that love to have the ball in their hands. There is a huge difference between a great player, and a great pg, and alot of you guys are getting them really mixed up! Its weird to see all these fans of the phx suns, that should know the definition of a true pg better then anybody, throw the term around so carelessly. It kind of offends me when people say Rose and Westbrook are “Great PG’s”…….. yet nobody here considers brooks a great pg when he plays the exact same way as them and had almost identical numbers when he was healthy and starting?! Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
So you're saying there are only a handful of PGs in the entire league?
Westbrook may be a scorer first, but he also dropped over 8 assists per game, good for 9th in the league.
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Agreed Omaha
I think the whole “trade Westbrook” talk is just a knee-jerk reaction, much like the talk surrounding Gasol and L.A. after they lost (also to Dallas coincidentally) as well.
And as much as I think trading Gasol would be foolish for L.A., I think trading away someone like Westbrook who is not only incredibly talented but also still very young would be even worse. Now the caveat to this is that no trade is foolish if you believe it makes your team better…so if L.A. trades Gasol to net Dwight Howard, or if OKC trades Westbrook for Chris Paul, then it suddenly makes sense. However, the general sentiment that OKC would be better off by trading away Westbrook for whatever they could get in return is very misguided.
If OKC keeps Westbrook, and I think they will, then they are investing in the growth and development of a young star point guard with the potential to be even better. I also think it would be foolish to use him as a two-guard rather than a point guard. Sure, for the meantime it would make sense to use him as a scorer, which is already what he’s best at, but why stunt his growth and development when he has shown the potential to be a good distributor as well? Westbrook is still learning how to be successful in this league, and it will take some time for him to refine his skills as a point guard and master his craft. For me, there’s no question they should keep him and continue to help him grow and mature into their feature point guard for many years to come.
Westbrook lacks
Court vision and a pass first mentality, the two most important things for a great PG. He will never be a true pg as far as i can tell. Thats just not him, he has never been a pg and never will be!
Why is this such a popular notion...
when the stats and evidence simply do not support it?
Let’s begin with the obvious…Westbrook was the starting point guard of a team that boasted a 55-27 record and made it all the way to the WCFs. He has helped his team accomplish this feat at the still very young age of only 22. And instead of being on a team that was good in spite of him, he was one of the biggest reasons for their success.
Which leads me to the next portion of this argument…the stats. If you and so many others are going to argue that Westbrook “lacks court vision” and a “pass first mentality”, then one would assume the stats would also support this right? Not so. In fact, here are his stats and comparisons to other point guards in the league for this season.
AVG…………….PG RANK………………. STAT
22.3………………… 4…………………….Efficiency recap
21.9………………… 2…………………….Points
4.6……………………1…………………….Rebounds
8.2……………………9…………………….Assists
1.8……………………3……………………Steals
0.4……………………7……………………Blocks
3.9……………………1……………………Turnovers
1.5……………………1……………………Offensive Reboounds
3.1……………………7……………………Defensive Rebounds
7.5……………………2……………………Field-goals Made
17.0…………………2…………………….Field-goals Attempts
.442………………..19……………………Field-goals Percentage
0.4…………………..45……………………3-point Made
1.3…………………..52……………………3-point Attempts
.327…………………37……………………3-point Percentage
6.5……………………1……………………..Free-throws Made
7.7……………………1……………………..Free-throws Attempts
.842………………….20…………………..Free-throws Percentage
What can we gather from these stats? Well for one, Westbrook averaged 8.2 assists per game which is 9th in assists meaning that he is already a top 10 passing PG, never mind his scoring ability. Just for the sake of comparison, Chris Paul ranked #4 in assists and averaged 9.8 assists per game…only 1.6 more than Westbrook did…which is not a huge difference. Even Nash who is the gold standard for passing point guards and who was also #1 in assists averaged 11.4 per game…that’s only 3 more assists per game than someone with the reputation of not being a true point guard. Doesn’t make sense.
Also, if he lacked court vision one would expect not only his assists to be low, which they aren’t, but also one would assume that his turnovers would be high, right? Wrong. Westbrook was ranked #1 in T.O.s out of all point guards. It would be one thing if he just never passed the ball. But the above stat already dispels this myth. Not only does he have the 9th highest assists in the league, he is also the best at taking care of the ball.
Of course these two stats just show the passing, ball-handling, and court vision aspects of his game. Everyone knows that Westbrook is also a potent scorer. His points per game averages an impressive 21.9. That’s #2 in the league among PG’s and very good for a point guard averaging as many assists as he does.
Now we would be remiss if we didn’t mention the other part of his game which is one of his biggest positives, rebounding and defense. Westbrook is one of the best overall in the league in these categories. He averages 1.8 steals per game ranking him at #3, 4.6 total rbs per game ranked #1, 1.5 offensive rbs which ranks him at #1, and 3.7 defensive rbs ranking him at #7.
And let’s not forget his efficiency rating at the point guard position. This takes into account almost every measurable aspect of his game and attempts to give us a summary of how effective he is on the floor. Westbrook is raked #4 in efficiency…that’s higher than our own Steve Nash who is ranked #5.
The bottom line is that his stats and his resume both show that not only is he a good player in one aspect of the game, but in many. The notion that Westbrook cannot be a top tier point guard simply doesn’t hold up to the evidence. He plays his position very well, especially for a kid who is only 22 years old and that still has a lot of growing and learning to do.
by 7footer on Jun 6, 2011 12:11 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
by the way...
these stats were taken from hoopsstats.com…I just forgot to credit the site in my post.
Great post and totally rec'd,
but I think you have the TO stat mixed up. Westbrook is #1 because he has the MOST TOs, not the least. Westbrook does turn it over a lot because he sometimes gets out of control because of how athletic he is.
Your major points still stand though.
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You're right....Duh
I knew better…my brain was misfiring for some reason. But yes. When you look at the T.O. totals he still compares very closely to the other top PG’s at his position.
Westbrook averaged 3.9 T.O. per game this season
Steve Nash averaged 3.5 T.O. per game
Chris Paul averaged 2.3 T.O. per game
So yes…He is slightly worse in this regard, but it is still a very close race that could change year to year.
Also like you said, because of his driving to the basket and his style of fast-paced play this increases his T.O.s…I do expect him to improve in this regard however.
Thanks for the correction Omaha.
No problem.
And thank you for supplementing my argument. I’m usually too lazy to look up detailed stats.
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Completely agree, 7ft. At this stage, he is a top 5 point guard (along with Rose, Williams, Paul and Nash). He has the potential to be top 3 soon and could get there.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jun 8, 2011 8:14 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed, 7ft. Sigh. We need problems like this!
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jun 5, 2011 10:23 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for FP-ing this.
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ehhh
I wouldnt call westbrook one of the best PG’ in the league, he is a shooting gaurd!!! Its obvious in his play, i know people will counter that with “He avg 8 assists per game” but come on, all 8 of those were to Kevin Durant! Its not hard when u have a guy on your team that doesnt miss!. I would definately call Westbrook one of the best scorers though. I would only trade westbrook if it was for something good like a nice young pg and a 1st rd pick. But i definately WOULD be shopping him to see what i could get. I think Kevin Durant AND James Harden would both be alot better without westbrook and his ego on the team. Most of the thunders troubles are on Brooks, he is a crappy coach and if OKC FO had any brains they would fire him and hire Rick Adelman! Trading Westbrook would be the best thing for OKC in my opinion!
Westbrook is one of the best PGs in the league.
He is the primarey ball-handler and distributor for the Thunder while also being the secondary scorer. OKC needs a scorer anyway as outside of Westbrook, Harden, and Durant there is no one on the roster who can consistently get their shot. Trading Westbrook for Rondo, for example, would make OKC worse IMO.
As for the “all 8 assists were to Durant” argument, you can say the exact same thing about Steve Nash and Amar’e Stoudemire, can’t you? EVen if that were true (which it’s not), wouldn’t that prove that he understands what’s best for the team and who he should get the ball to?
Look at the young players in today’s game. Do you see anyone who even resembles Nash? Outside of a CP3, how many great distributors are there?
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Agreed. We are spoiled due to Steve Nash. He is one of a kind.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jun 5, 2011 10:24 PM MST up reply actions
While I was one saying that Westbrook was hoisting up too many shots,
I do agree that the Thunder should keep Westbrook. Like you said, they got to the Western Conference Finals somehow. They were doing something right.
Going deep into the Playoffs requires experience and they played the Mavericks, a team rich with playoff, and even Finals, experience. As a team, I don’t think the Thunder were fully prepared for that.
The smartest thing for OKC to do, in my opinion, is to hold on to the majority of their current roster and definitely not trade Russell Westbrook. As you said, blame can be distributed pretty evenly amongst the Thunder organization, as far as the Dallas series, at
least.
That was very well-written and you made great points throughout. Good stuff.
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Thank you.
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I want them to trade Westbrook
because as Napoleon once said “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake”
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