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NBA Coach Rankings: How Does the Suns Alvin Gentry Rank?

 Mike Prada over at SB has published a post ranking NBA coaches top to bottom.  While my instinct is to take guys whose franchises have tons of cash to spend on talent, and rank them near the bottom, it is no given that talent=championships. The Mavericks, for example, have the luxury of Cuban and his bank account, but they only recently broke through. For a coach to corral the egos to formulate a streamlined squad, focused on one thing-winning is pretty difficult. So, Rick Carlisle at #2 doesn't bother me much. Pops at #1 seems accurate although I dislike him as a person. He continues to win with an aging squad while developing some randoms into key contributors. Personally, I'd have a difficult time not putting Scott Brooks between 1-3 as his team is very young. Young an crazy talented, yes, but still, to keep them in line and winning isn't a cake walk.

And now, for what y'all have been waiting for. Alvin Gentry...Here is Prada's blurb:

 

19. Alvin Gentry, Phoenix Suns (13): Again, the fact that a guy like Gentry is so low is telling with the level of talent in the league. The work he did in 2010 to lead the Suns to the Western Conference Finals was particularly noteworthy, and he's forgotten more about player-to-player psychology than I will ever know. That said, I do think the lack of development from Robin Lopez and Goran Dragic is a bit troubling for someone who is known for making the most out of an individual's talent. Also, while he's been dealt some pretty awful hands in Detroit and with the Clippers, he still only can point to one year where he coached anything close to an elite team.

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Some of the comments I agree with, and some I disagree with:

  • The work he did in 2010 to lead the Suns to the Western Conference Finals was particularly noteworthy, and he's forgotten more about player-to-player psychology than I will ever know.

Totally agreed. Alvin is a player's coach.  He's kept the locker room together even amid the annual Amar'e Stoudemire trade orgy, as well as some significant changes both in the FO and on the court. The players trust, respect, and like Alvin which keeps them trying, even when the front office puts together a less than mediocre group of talent.

  • That said, I do think the lack of development from Robin Lopez and Goran Dragic is a bit troubling for someone who is known for making the most out of an individual's talent.

Disagree.  I won't disagree that the Suns have serious problems developing young talent. But really, how much young talent has Gentry been allowed to hold onto for more than a couple of hours? Earl Clark? Isn't he in China? Blame Steve Kerr, don't blame Gentry for that train wreck. Robin Lopez has battled injuries for two years, and not just nagging little things, but a back injury which will likely continue to plague him for as long as he plays, and foot and knee injuries that kept him off the court for several weeks. How often do athletes get injured then immediately return to their own top form? Not often. And for Robin, it's a totally different story. He of the broken glass door and continued temper tantrums and God-knows-what-else needs more than a coach to sort him out. Maybe blame Gentry if he were a shrink and gave RobLo the wrong psyche meds.

As far as Dragic goes, again I don't blame Gentry. Many of us hated the trade, but let's be honest, Goran had plenty of chances to solidify his spot as backup to Nash and heir apparent, but aside from a few excellent performances and streaks of consistency, he was never consistent enough to be counted on. What went wrong? You tell me, but it wasn't a lack of talent. It was clear Goran's confidence level and decision making ability was all over the globe. At some point the same voice from the same coach start's sounding like Charlie Brown's teacher: you need a change of scenery, and that odd "toe cut on glass" injury that was never fully explained didn't help his cause.  Now whether Goran Dragic should have been traded or not, that's a different discussion for a different day.

 

  • Also, while he's been dealt some pretty awful hands in Detroit and with the Clippers, he still only can point to one year where he coached anything close to an elite team.

Agreed. He lost Amar'e, lost his GM who was bent on signing Amare and continuing the winning, and then he got Hedo/Warrick/Chill and Lon Babby dumped on him. He didn't complain, he made no excuses. He worked with what he had and that's why Alvin Gentry deserves a higher ranking than Mike D'Antoni, Mike Brown, Frank Vogel and a bunch of others that are ranked higher than him.

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Gentry oh Gentry

I feel like we have a good coach when it comes about advising players, making them feel comfortable and all that stuff, he is damm good making offensive schemes when the clock is running out yet he hasn’t been able to set a consistent defensive team, you can blame it all on the players but i look at teams like Boston/Miami/San Antonio and they have been able to pulled off a defensive consistent scheme without having the best pieces to, take a look at Joel Anthony and Ray Allen.
 
I guess my problem with Gentry is his lacks determination, he just doesn’t know how to utilize the tool he’s got.

Aaron Brooks, he is not a passer, he won’t be Steve so let him be him and play his game, let him take shots with freedom.

Warrick, in any other team Warrick would be under the rim 80% of the time, trying to either get a foul or score, not shooting mid range.

Maybe he didn’t have enough time to figure who his starters were, and so injuries and trades made it even harder, i just think Doc Rivers would have done a better job.

My overall opinion on Gentry: is a quality coach and he is improving, with the right pieces he can do magic.

’And oh i kinda hate him a little for letting Kobe spank his ass while he was laughing like a college girl while my dreams of an NBA Champioship flushed down….yeah…

Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.

by Lino Canaan on Aug 19, 2011 10:34 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

agreed, Lino. Gentry did a pretty crappy job last year, and if it happens again this year, I’d fire him.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Aug 19, 2011 6:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Coaching isn't a video game

Nash, J-Rich and Hedo are possibly the worst defenders to start at their position, that’s not even taking into account Hedo trying to guard power-forwards. There’s no way you can compare Gentry’s Nash/Rich/Hill/Hedo/Lopez defense to Boston or Miami. Ray Allen plays next to two first-team all defensive players (one a former DPOY) and Joel Anthony next to two of the best perimeter defenders in the game.

I’m not saying Gentry’s a good defensive coach, but how can you really critique him with the personnel we’ve had? How do you even begin to guard the 1-4 pick n’ roll with Nash/Amar’e-Hedo or the 1-5 with Nash/Shaq-Frye? How do you stop dribble penetration with Nash/J-rich/Carter?

Would Doc Rivers have done better? Ignoring the fact that he had Thibodeau and Frank as his defensive coordinators, I don’t think so. I don’t care how good your schemes are, you can’t overcome bad personnel and fundamental flaws.

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by hcblankscreen on Aug 20, 2011 2:01 AM MST up reply actions   3 recs

Because I am not talking about just defense. That’s a part of it, but I am talking about everything. He did not do a good job last year. If he does very poorly this year, I think a lot of owners would get rid of him, including ours, probably. Of course there really isn’t going to be a year this year probably. Sigh.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Aug 20, 2011 10:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Here is the thing

It is true that having a really good player makes other players better, but we add some pieces that i didn´t take us to far from where we were on defensive ranks before the trade, i´m talking about Pietrus, a good perimeter defender and Gortat.

I don´t see why someone like J rich is not able to play D, he is fast, he is an excellent athlete and he has good hands yet he doesn´t move well laterally, isn´t your job as a coach to make your players excel his limitations and try to bring the best out of them ? i like to believe so look at Jared Dudley, i do believe is possible to improve with the right coaching, he is already doing it with Jdudz and ICMF.

Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.

by Lino Canaan on Aug 20, 2011 10:11 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree. We have a lot of individual players that can and should be playing good defense. Let’s hope have the defensive coordinator now will help.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Aug 20, 2011 10:13 AM MST up reply actions  

That's the goal

Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.

by Lino Canaan on Aug 20, 2011 6:38 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Good post but...

“he just doesn’t know how to utilize the tool he’s got”

I giggled at that. Sorry.

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by PolishHammer on Aug 19, 2011 11:06 AM MST reply actions  

It seems like a pretty fair assessment to me.

He had that one great season and must be given credit for that. But, otherwise in his careerr? Meh.

Funny about him getting dinged for his lack of player development. It almost seems like he’s the victim of his own success there. Had Dragic and Lopez not shown such promise under his tutelage in 09-10, would anyone have been surprised by their struggles this year? These guys were not blue chip prospects, no matter how much we liked to think they were. Lopez is a low lottery pick and Dragic is a mid-second rounder. Earl Clark? As soon as an NBA coach can get some production out of him (I’m not holding my breath), I’ll criticize Gentry, but not before that.

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by East Bay Ray on Aug 19, 2011 1:03 PM MST reply actions  

This exactly,

People forget that pretty much everyone thought Dragic and Lopez were pretty crappy basketball players when the Suns drafted them.

"I'm a nobody." - Steve Nash in 1997

by PHXSunsRunNGun on Aug 19, 2011 11:14 PM MST up reply actions  

He's a decent coach overall, but he's not very good at teaching defense.

Although, I applaud him for trying and for actually getting some help in that department.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 19, 2011 2:57 PM MST reply actions  

Gentry can coach them, but he can't play the games for them

And coaches with Amare Stoudemire on the roster somehow always seem to be a lot better than coaches without him.

With the level of talent Gentry had on last year’s 40-win team, a really good coach would have won 42 games. A really bad coach would have won 30-35.

And I fully agree with Ray on the player development thing:

Lopez? Fragile as a butterfly’s wings. Even in 09-10, I thought he was highly overrated. He had a few good games between long bouts with injuries, alongside Amare who was playing at the MVP level and drawing 90 percent of the other team’s defensive effort. We were better off with Jarron Collins at the 5.

Dragic? The fact that he has had a career at all is due to Gentry reconstructing his psyche following the Terry Porter debacle. Running with the Brazilian Blur, Goran was the Dragon. Without him, he was the Drag On.

Clark? Way more worried about booty than basketball. I rarely feel sorry for China, but in this case…

 

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by suns68 on Aug 19, 2011 3:13 PM MST reply actions  

You have to give props to MDA for 05-06

the season without Amare, I don’t think Gentry would have lead us to the WCF with that roster.

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by Suns R Us on Aug 19, 2011 5:18 PM MST up reply actions  

agreed

but that was still a pretty talented bunch. boris won MIP, Trix and Nash were at their peak and the role players were all solid.

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Aug 20, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I just came to a wonderful realization.

Earl Clark playing in China = Earl Clark Tweeting his experiences playing in China. This is gonna be fantastic!

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by East Bay Ray on Aug 20, 2011 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

The Chinese government will probably censor his tweets

thinking that he’s a spy writing in code.

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by suns68 on Aug 20, 2011 5:58 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Something like this...

 “Yall Asian females be butt ass, where yo pops at??”

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by AcucracK on Aug 21, 2011 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Brilliant

I hioe he even adds some madarin slang words after a while!

by Lompe on Aug 27, 2011 2:15 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree with the original article. Gentry definitely deserves a significant portion of the blame for Dragic, Lopez, Chilly, etc. Coaches have to get the most out of their players. That is what they are paid for. If you don’t blame him for any of his team’s struggles, what in the world do you think his job is? Look good in a suit and call an occasional play?

by BringBackBarkley17 on Aug 19, 2011 6:32 PM MST reply actions  

i disagree.

we dont know whats happening on the practice court and behind closed doors.

lets say Dragic turns into a starting PG averaging 15 and 10 or something. Then perhaps you can say Gentry didn’t reach him. He did fair with the Rockets last season after he left, but he didn’t explode. The jury is out on that one.

Chilly? Chilly was hurt for a huge portion of the season and he even played with a splint on his finger. So the guy isn’t 100%, and he just came from the Euro Leagues, so how is it fair to blame Gentry?

You can’t blame the coach for injuries and you can’t blame him when the team doesn’t have a true PF, Vince Carter as the starting 2, and a mostly underperforming bench.

I look at the previews for 2010, where the Suns were ranked by most East Coast mass media outlets as being an 8 seed at best. Then they finish as #4, they take out the upstart Blazers, sweep the Spurs, and make it the WCF where they give the Lakers a fight before succumbing to Kobe and Co.

Suns 68: Dragic?

The fact that he has had a career at all is due to Gentry reconstructing his psyche following the Terry Porter debacle.

excellent statement and totally agreed.

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by Wil Cantrell on Aug 19, 2011 7:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Gentry had a great year then a terrible one. We’ll see how he goes into the future, but right now the verdict is very mixed. And a little finger injury should not keep you out for the whole season. Childress was fine for a long time, and was not used properly. Would you have played VC so much?

by BringBackBarkley17 on Aug 20, 2011 10:11 AM MST up reply actions  

A finger injury shouldn't keep you out the whole season...

Unless you re-injure it on a dunk that sends your splint flying.

If the G-man didn’t play Carter, who was he supposed to play? Childress, Pietrus or Dowdell? None of them played any better than Carter; mostly they played worse.

I haven’t run the numbers, but my recollection is we had about the same record pre-Carter as we did post-Carter.

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by suns68 on Aug 20, 2011 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

You are correct. 1 game under .500 pre-trade and 1 game under .500 post-trade.

And I agree with you that there wasn’t much else Gentry could have done. He lost his leading scorer in Amare, and then 1/3 of the way into the season, he again lost his leading scorer in J-Rich. I’m not seeing where a Phil Jackson or Gregg Popovich would have won 50 games given the same circumstances. Gentry didn’t have the horses last year, plain and simple.

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by East Bay Ray on Aug 20, 2011 1:55 PM MST up reply actions  

The only thing that really rankled me with Gentry

was that he didn’t take advantage of the once in a lifetime chance to put the Silo in against Shaq last year.

I’d have really liked to have seen those two go at it.

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by suns68 on Aug 19, 2011 7:31 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

The one thing with Gentry is

When he has had the cattle he’s done very well. When Amare and Barbosa left it’s funny how Dragic and Lopez struggled with most of the second unit. Our roster last season wasn’t settled so to get to 40 wins i thought was good job.
Next season won’t tell us much because of the lockout. The next season after that Hill and Nash might have retired and the rebuilding might have to begin, so unfortunately for Gentry he might not get a settled roster for a while if he lasts that long. But i do like him and hope he can keep his job for a while.

by Sunderstruck on Aug 19, 2011 9:26 PM MST reply actions  

One thing about the lockout...

I think this is the first time that Alvin has gotten to have his picture in the masthead at suns.com.

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by suns68 on Aug 20, 2011 1:45 PM MST reply actions  

Think it's harsh

to essentially blame the roster failures on Gentry, even if he did sanction some of the moves. It was always going to be hard to figure out how to keep us relevant post-Amare, I think Gentry did OK though.

My gripe with Gentry is that his late game decisions are average at best, too many times last season, last second plays were drawn up that never came to fruition and simply didn’t work, resulting in no points scored and games lost. The only time I can remember something working perfectly was the Hill alley oop to J-Rich early on in the season. That has to go on the coach.

But so long as Nash is here, Gentry is the right coach, because he knows this team’s style better than anyone.

by Toon Army Sun on Aug 20, 2011 5:33 PM MST reply actions  

Whoa C'mon

What about Channing Frye game closers?

Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.

by Lino Canaan on Aug 20, 2011 6:47 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

They executed a lot of great plays after timeouts, but I also saw a lot of bad ones. Hard to blame that all on Gentry since he had players who came in half way through the season who most likely were blowing the designed play.

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by AcucracK on Aug 21, 2011 12:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I’d have to say AG did a good job as a coach given the hand he was dealt. He lost a top 10 player, had to re-do the offense twice in a season, and try to improve on defense. We lost a lot of easy hoops when we lost JRich, he was faster then carter and a better finisher on the break. He had to work with poorer shooters that were better defended due to the loss of amare. I believe he did a great job of motivating gortat by not starting him for so long even tho he was playing starters minutes. I for one would like to see more of that side screen roll with grant and gortat because hill is a good passer and steve could then spot up. For this upcoming year I’d like to see him to that same short start with Morris or Gani then sub in frye at about 5-6 minutes. I think we will be fine at the 4 as long as lawal is healthy. He was as good a rebounder in college as morris and has the physique to be tough on the post. I believe this would make the bench more potent and let frye play more minutes with the bench. If we can get the mad bomber from throwin up every 3 he sees and really running on the break we could be ok with him starting as he can finish at the rim when he tries. If we get back to more of a running team, not 7SOL, but more up tempo, and improve on defense we can make the playoffs. We ended up as too much of a half court team too often and that is not our strength. We have one of the better running 5’s in Gortat so that can work as he can be an effective trailer outrunning the other 5. If the defense improves, ( I hope) we should be faster overall and be better then the sum of our parts. I think siler needs more minutes as ROLO looks like a plodding zombie 90% of the time, (just watch clips of him running), he has lousy footwork for a big. I strongly believe with frye, brooks, dudly, chill, and siler we can have a solid second unit that can still score and play D. Brooks is never gonna be SNASH but is quick as hell and can push the ball. This would leave Chill as a slasher, duds and frye as spot up shooters, Brooks can drive and finish, and I think siler has the desire to defend and rebound and can sure take up space. Now if we can’t get the mad bomber to stop we have to get a 2. If he will settle down being a starter and play good D he will get his points and minutes and thus be happy. If this doesn’t work start chill at the 2 and hope he plays the D I think he can and use warrick as the backup 3. He is not a post up guy so let him finish off of a break to the rim and forget jump shooting. Dudly and Frye are both decent passers and will draw defenses to them so lanes should open up if the floor is well spread.

Of course Steve needs to be healthy but in the half court putting the ball in grants hands occasionally to create and run the PNR can let steve shoot and thus offset not having a top shelf 2. Grant has over his career proven he can run a half court set as a point forward so it seems a waste to let the talent go unused. He still has a great midrange game and can go to the rack. I believe if he and Gortat can get a cohesiveness that is better then him spotting up for 3’s. With the veteran leadership we have I believe our best solution at the 4 is starting one of the young guys for 5-6 and let them learn from the best. Learning and playing along side grant and steve will up there learning curve, and make them better for the future as either starters or role players.

 sorry so long had to keep going once I started.

by Danc133 on Aug 21, 2011 6:45 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Very nice post, Danc. Lot of good points!

by BringBackBarkley17 on Aug 22, 2011 10:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I think many of us are overreacting.

Last year sucked! BIG TIME!

1. For some strange reason our FO thought Warrick was ok.
2. For another weird reason our FO thought that Hedo could play PF.
3. Chill was a good selection , but he got hurt to the point to where he couldn’t even hit a mid-range jumper. There goes his season!
4. Then our only Center got hurt and with that injury he lost every amount of confidence he had in him.
5. That caused Frye to start at center which meant that Dragic only had one shooter to pass to, so he started to struggle and lost his confidence. There goes our backup PG!
6. A trade is made, we get Gortat, he’s cool, but wait! There’s a catch, we have to give up our only go to guy….
7. Gortat improves our defense and Carter actually does ok his first few weeks here. However, our offense sucks!
8. So, Dragic is traded for Brooks. A lot of tears are shed that day. Trade looks good at first.
9. Things start to get better and Channing Frye thrives next to Gortat and we start to win games. For the first time that season, we actually look like a playoff team.
10. Then Kevin Durant lands on Frye’s shoulder. Hey, it couldn’t possibly get any worse…right?
11. WRONG! Steve Nash’s body can’t take it any more, so he breaks down!
12. Vince Carter reaches like his career 15th thousand point or whatever and decides to stop trying all together.
13. Pietrus gets hurt and he’s done.
14. Frye and Nash comes back, but it’s too late.
15. Season ended.
16. I forgot to mention that not having Amar’e or a decent option to replace him really hurt too.
17. We still won 40 games.

Gentry did the best he could. For those who get him on the late game adjustments; he didn’t have a guy on his roster who could draw a foul and get to the line. That is why we lost about 14 games in the 4rth quarter. Without having one of those guys, teams could easily shut us down. It didn’t matter what Gentry did.

The only thing I feel I can get him on is defense. With the amount of guys who are capable of playing average to good defense on our roster, we should have at least been in the low 20’s. Instead, we were ranked in the bottom 5. However, he went out and hired a defensive coordinator, so I’ll give him another chance.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 21, 2011 8:21 PM MST reply actions  

I agree with everything.. except

3. Chilly hasn’t proved himself to be a good selection yet. I like him, but so far we can’t tell whether he’s going to be a bonus or a burden.
12. I think VC decided to not try LONG before his 15,000th point.

Re-sign BAMF.

by brian13 on Aug 21, 2011 10:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, I think our bias gets in the way sometimes.

Vince Carter was a major disappointment from the start, but that’s because we all expected him to be like J-Rich. The first few weeks he was here, he was actually consistently averaging 15ppg.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 22, 2011 9:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Speak for yourself there, Beavis.

We didn’t all expect VC to be like J-Rich.

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by East Bay Ray on Aug 22, 2011 9:51 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Yup

I think many of us knew we were getting a half dead version of VC.

Re-sign BAMF.

by brian13 on Aug 22, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Nice summary

I would add that the whole team are role players except Steve. I know . I know, BAMF is not role player, but I am sorry, he is now. His best years are behind him.

Also, letting Steve play until he dropped was a terrible decision. I am not sure who did went along with that, but if Gentry did then shame on him.

As a Suns fan since 1970, I have to say that we suck. And we will be no better this year. Gentry has no chance to make us any better.

by Grey_Hound on Aug 22, 2011 6:41 PM MST up reply actions  

That’s a bit defeatist and disconsolate.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Aug 22, 2011 10:40 PM MST up reply actions  

All good points and the reason he gets somewhat of a pass.

But there were several times that I thought what the heck is going on here? throughout the season. He did a pretty good job of holding things together, but I wouldn’t say he deserved to be ranked too highly. 15-20 is about right IMO.

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