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BSotS Phoenix Suns 2011-2012 (Off)Season Preview!

Hey guess what? It's about that time for NBA Blogger Previews, organized by CelticsBlog every year in late September/early October.

We have no friggin clue whether there will be a season or not, but for now let's just sit on the floor, cross our legs, close our eyes, touch our thumbs to our forefingers, and pretend for a few minutes that there WILL be a full season. When the lockout ends, NBA front offices will face a whirlwind free agency period, followed by a quick training camp and then the season will be upon us before we can take a breath.

So what happens to the Suns when the gun goes off and it's time to fire up the season?

 

Team Name: Phoenix Suns
Last Year's Record: 40-42
Key Free Agents: All but two guys are under contract for the 2011-12 season: SF BAMF Grant Hill (Unrestricted) and backup PG Aaron Brooks (Restricted)
Team Needs: All-Star talent, regardless of position


1. What are your team's biggest needs this offseason?

A future. What else can I say? The roster is loaded with pretty good players (hereinafter known as 'PGPs'), but no one or two players who can put the team on his shoulders and carry them to the playoffs. I can't think of anyone on the roster that would earn the following quote: "No one can stop him. He's a beast!" without being immediately followed with snickers, winks and hearty guffaws.

This team, and its fans, need a future. There are no long playoff runs in this roster. It's time to start over. Whether that's in 2011 (or whenever the lockout ends) or 2012, it needs to happen soon.

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2. What are the team's biggest strengths & weaknesses?

Biggest strength: With a front office, coaching staff and 12 of 14 returning players under contract for the 2011-2012 season, you'd think the biggest strength would be continuity. The Suns, theoretically, could hit the ground running while other teams stuggle with new players and/or coaches during an abbreviated training camp and preseason. Thanks to a high level of familiarity, the Suns could pull out some extra early wins and stay in the playoff picture all season.

Biggest weakness: But alas, this won't will happen with the Suns for three big reasons.

  1. While the coaching staff remains intact, a new defensive coordinator (Elston Turner) was added this summer to completely change half of what the Suns do on the court. So much for familiarity. Terry Porter was the last guy to attempt this maneuver.
  2. Not one of the returning players is better than the 3rd or 4th-best player on a real contender. You don't win tight games without big-time talent to close it out.
  3. The front office will most certainly want to shake up the roster. How much change is the only open question. Tweak it, trading a couple of players (Lopez, Pietrus) for marginal returning talent? Or blow it up completely, by trading Nash and others too?


3. If there is no season in 2011-12, how is your team set up for 2012?

Actually, it's logical that the second-best possible outcome of the lockout is to cancel the whole 2011-12 season (assuming deals expire as currently scheduled). Only 5 contracts are guaranteed into the 2012-2013 season at this time (Marcin Gortat, Jared Dudley, Channing Frye, Hakim Warrick and Josh Childress), 6 if you include rookie Markieff Morris.

By letting the 2011-2012 season and those other contracts expire before playing another game, the Suns don't have to make knee-jerk decisions like re-signing Nash (extension) and Hill (unrestricted) to multi-year contracts out of loyalty and a false sense of "doing the right thing". Without re-signing Nash and Hill, the Suns would enter the summer of 2012 with boatloads of money available to start over (under $30 million committed).

Of course, starting over requires free agents to choose the Suns over another team during a bidding war. Would the lure of "quality pieces around me" (Gortat, Dudley, Morris, Childress, Frye, lottery pick) draw a star PG like Deron Williams to lead them out of the desert? With Williams and a new SG around that core, the Suns could compete.

But the BEST possible plan for the long-term future of the franchise is to end the lockout now, trade Nash away for youth, let Grant Hill go and suffer a 60-loss season. This would give the Suns a top-5 pick in a loaded draft, plus a handful of helpful players AND boatloads of money to sign a new star. If all goes well, the Suns could have 2 young All-star talents just 9 months from now. Of course, this is the riskiest option because you're basing decisions on assumptions and conjecture. 


4. If you could make one change the NBA's new CBA, what would it be?

That all teams could buy out contracts for say 1/3 or 2/3 of the remaining value, in order to get a player off their books that they no longer want. The NHL has a similar "out" in their CBA. This way, the player gets a significant cash windfall AND can sign with someone else, while the team can start over within a reasonable timeframe. Guys like Gilbert Arenas, Eddy Curry, Tracy McGrady and Rashard Lewis would no longer handicap their team for years.

 

4. If the NBA's new CBA includes an amnesty clause to help teams get under the cap, how should the Suns use it?

There have been rumors for months that, if the NBA got a hard cap, the new CBA would include an amnesty clause to pay off a bad contract AND clear it completely from their salary cap (which is different than the last time, when Michael Finley became available when he still an all-star).

If this were available, who would the Suns cut? 

First of all, take note that the Suns have NO egregious contracts on their roster. Sure, all the guys are signed for at least year, but few if any are dramatically overpaid compared to a replacement player. The Suns have no Curry, Jeffries, Arenas or Houston on their roster to provide immediate, significant relief and the chance to sign better players for less money.

The worst contract in terms of 2010-2011 value would have be Josh Childress. He is a backup/backup SF, but is on the books for 4 more years and more than $26 million. Yet this coming season is only $6 million, and Childress has historically (pre-Greece) been worth what used to be called the midlevel exception. If Grant Hill leaves and Jared Dudley spends as much time at SG as SF, the Suns will need some solid minutes from another SF. Is Childress worth $6 million then? Probably. But then he can't shoot a lick... 

Hakim Warrick is another option. He really doesn't fit into the Suns future and might not get many minutes next year with Morris in the fold, but then again he has NBA experience and is only guaranteed $9 million over the next 2 years. Can the Suns really replace him with better talent for less money? Maybe. Maybe not.

Other options? Only Gortat, Dudley and Frye are signed beyond next season and each's contract is well worth the production level.

So, it's down to Childress, Warrick or neither.

If I had to choose between Childress and Warrick, I'd keep Childress. Warrick just has too many weaknesses.

 

And, that's your Suns (off)season preview!

Let's rosterbate!

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But the BEST possible plan for the long-term future of the franchise is to end the lockout now, trade Nash away for youth, let Grant Hill go and suffer a 60-loss season. This would give the Suns a top-5 pick in a loaded draft, plus a handful of helpful players AND boatloads of money to sign a new star. If all goes well, the Suns could have 2 young All-star talents just 9 months from now. Of course, this is the riskiest option because you’re basing decisions on assumptions and conjecture.

I agree and think its time to rebuild.Gortat,Dudley and Frye are pretty good pieces to build around. I think Gortat should start next season. I listened to a podcast about the Suns and they said the Suns are a good team but they have all B players.

by REneeR on Sep 27, 2011 7:51 PM MST reply actions  

nash isnt going anywhere.

he wants to be here, and let’s be honest, what do the suns get for him? a late 1st rounder? and if he goes, you have to hope that aaron brooks signs, and then you have him and Z as the PG’s. that sucks.

Nash is worth 15-25 wins, and without him you have an awful squad that wont put any asses in the seats. as it is, Nash is all that bring people to US Airways. Sarver doesnt have the sack to put up with a 60 loss team. it won’t happen.

Welts (before he left to enjoy life in the bay area) said something to the effect of “we’ve never totally rebuilt, it’s not what we do…” etc etc, its not exactly what he said but you get the idea. so i dont expect nash to go anywhere. i think maybe a cheap SG is signed, and the squad plays as is until the trade deadline.

it wont be pretty, but the team will be worth watching for a bit longer. if only to see if they can make the playoffs.

so we’re all waiting for 2012 for the Suns to make a splash in the FA market.

in the meantime, we’re stuck watching role players and aging stars do what they can. it won’t be pretty.

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by Wil Cantrell on Sep 27, 2011 8:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m nearly convinced the Suns should tank the season, which is exactly what would happen if Nash were traded.

Don’t you think the Knicks would trade Billups, Landry Fields and rookie Iman Shumpert for Nash and Warrick/Childress? None of those guys is spectacular, but they add more young rotational talent to a high draft pick and lots of FA money. And the summer of 2012 is the best time in years for the draft, plus the FAs are okay.

Anyway, its a thought…

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by Alex Laugan on Sep 27, 2011 8:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't count it out,

but I’m with Will on this one. Sarver is screwed without Nash.

By the way, this feels really weird. I could have sworn we had opposite opinions on this subject just a few months ago? Have we somehow, someway in our subconsciousness or something, switched places?

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Sep 27, 2011 9:30 PM MST up reply actions  

lol. maybe.

The more time passes without being mesmerized by Nash on court, the more objective I become, I guess.

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by Alex Laugan on Sep 28, 2011 6:40 AM MST up reply actions  

this

I have been feeling the same way too. My knee jerk is still to say no to trading him but if it happened, say tomorrow or next week before the hype of a new season got into my veins, I wouldn’t raise hell. That, of course, would entirely depend on what they got back for him. But the mere notion of losing Nash doenst wrench my gut like it used to.

"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010

by N8lol on Sep 28, 2011 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Separation

and detachment can abate tendentious outlooks, deliver clarity, and crystallize objectivity……..but…….

Negative attitudes don’t propagate positive outcomes.

Many of your recent comments seem eerily aligned with the objective negative realm of brooding pessimism I have been at times bemoaned for festering in.

I hope that you have not become quite too sane and rational because I would lament the loss of our quippy banter.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Sep 28, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

don’t worry, Jim. My attitude will turn positive again once I hear a shoe squeaking on the hardwood or a whistle blowing.

But I don’t think I can convince myself that the Suns are on the verge of a long playoff run with this roster. Their best players are almost as old as I am and the rest of them are wonderful role players on a contending team. Show me an all-star and I’ll look at it differently.

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by Alex Laugan on Sep 28, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Holy crap

Jim is telling Alex that

Negative attitudes don’t propagate positive outcomes.

Bizarro BSotS. If Scott tells Alex to stop being so negative next, that will be too much.

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by East Bay Ray on Sep 28, 2011 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought you'd like that.

I like to keep you on your toes. I can be versatile.

Alex’s compendium and treatment of the subject seems pretty accurate to me. Alex always does a good job (even when he’s wrong).

1. This team needs talent. I have been saying that there may not be a single player on this roster that will ever make a single all-star appearance in the future. Nothing but ‘PGPs’ (I’ll go ahead and use this since Alex never did after his hereinafter reference).

2. Biggest strength – I would go with Steve Nash here.

3. Being in the best possible position to turn things around in the summer of 2012 is much more important than squeezing out a couple of wins on a team that’s going nowhere this year. I want the team to do as good as possible this year, but not at the expense of building towards the future. Anyone and everyone, including Nash, should be expendable if it helps in the long term but….. shipping Nash out and playing for ping pong balls is probably not an option. Can anyone really see Sarver willing to roll out a team that will win less than 30 games? We will have more people on the game threads than in the arena…..

4. The one change I would make to the new CBA is that it would be signed.

4. (again?) I would choose Childress, but who are we kidding? No way that Sarver is going to swallow that pill.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Sep 29, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

How would taking a flyer on Shumpert and a rental of Billups/Fields for a season...

be worth Nash? I understand the thinking of trading Nash and tanking. I just don’t see how this plan even has a possibilty of adding “2 young all-star talents”.

At best, this adds a future all-star from the 2012 draft class (which most likely wouldn’t develop until at least 2015), because of us hitting in the lottery.

Re-sign BAMF.

by brian13 on Sep 28, 2011 2:01 AM MST up reply actions  

well yes, that plan would count on a top-5 rookie with all-star talents, and a top-level FA (with the available 30-40 million next summer).

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by Alex Laugan on Sep 28, 2011 6:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I´m pretty sure nash wants to stay but he wouldn´t mind going elsewhere where he might have a real chance

The way i see it we must 1-give our best shot now or2- tank ASAP.

What´s the point on keeping the exact same roster we had last year ? we all know those guys can´t win a champioship on their own, they need some offensive relief and a lot more defense, by keeping nash and playing decent basketball we might win 45-50 wins and reach playoffs, so try your best and gamble on players like Michael Redd or bring a pure talented scorer, like Rudy Gay.

Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.

by Lino Canaan on Sep 27, 2011 9:45 PM MST up reply actions  

please no Michael Redd. Please no.

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by Alex Laugan on Sep 28, 2011 6:41 AM MST up reply actions  

this

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
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by Eutychus on Sep 28, 2011 4:21 PM MST up reply actions  

I think you are correct, Wil. And for now, I agree with the approach. Still debating, but I am not really one for blowing it up.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Sep 28, 2011 8:39 AM MST up reply actions  

That's the WORST possible plan!

The Clippers get a top 5 draft pick almost every year and they never get any better. What makes anyone think we would?

If that’s the attitude, why not just forfeit every game so you’re assured of a top draft pick?

Fact is, losing is contagious and habit-forming. You get that kind of mail-it-in attitude going and you doom yourself, probably for a decade or more.

Your hot rookies play out their rookie contracts and move on to contenders, and no matter how much money you throw around, high quality free agents say “no thanks.”

I’ve been through a lot of sucky seasons with this team, but I always felt like the players and the front office were doing their best to contend every year.

If that changes, I plan to make a change too – starting with my subscription to NBA League Pass.

I’d rather watch freakin’ hockey than a Suns team with no heart.
 

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by suns68 on Sep 27, 2011 8:59 PM MST via mobile up reply actions   3 recs

but look at the sustained championship teams. Hitting big in the draft with a top-5 pick is nearly an absolute necessity. Duncan, Robinson, Olajuwon, Jordan, Shaquille, Kobe, Magic, Bird…

How do the Suns get that guy when they’re picking 13-25 every year?

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by Alex Laugan on Sep 27, 2011 9:08 PM MST up reply actions  

LA didn't land kobe

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Sep 27, 2011 9:48 PM MST up reply actions  

They don't land anybody

They just trade their garbage for them.

Stupid Lakers!

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Sep 27, 2011 9:53 PM MST up reply actions  

exactly!!!!!

they can afford to do that kinda shit, like dallas did.

S.A. lucked out big time getting Robinson and then Duncan to learn under Robinson….I’m so not down for this Tank the season stuff.

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Sep 27, 2011 11:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Hence the lockout and Sarver's "divide and conquer" attitude...

Which I am all for, btw, if it creates better equity in the league.

"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010

by N8lol on Sep 28, 2011 10:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Sorry this took a while, but I had to do some research to confirm my memory...

Robinson, Olajuwon and Jordan are indeed cases where a bad team drafted a superstar who became the basis for future elite teams.

However:
Kobe was drafted 13th by the Hornets and traded to the Lakers.
Magic was a pick the Lakers got from New Orleans in a trade.
Bird, by playing the “I might stay in college” card, engineered his falling to sixth in the draft so he could go to the Celtics.
Shaq improved Orlando, but didn’t win a championship until he went to the Lakers via free agency.
The Spurs got Duncan in a fluke. They were already a very good team, but Robinson was out injured for almost the entire preceding season.

So it seems you can get your superstar by trading for draft picks or through free agency, without deliberately tanking seasons.

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by suns68 on Sep 27, 2011 10:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah tanking isn´t really the recipe for success

Right, Clippers/Wolves ?

Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.

by Lino Canaan on Sep 27, 2011 10:37 PM MST up reply actions  

and Kings/Warriors

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Sep 27, 2011 11:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Fluke...

Right…

"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010

by N8lol on Sep 28, 2011 10:17 AM MST up reply actions  

T-Wolves

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Sep 27, 2011 9:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Go Tolliver!

Just for you 2N.

Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!

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by Omaha Sun on Sep 30, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

agreed, 68. That’s the most important thing to me too. Very nice post.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Sep 28, 2011 8:41 AM MST up reply actions  

So what you're saying is

WE’RE BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNED!!!!!

I will love Steve Nash... forever and always.

by NashMV3 on Sep 28, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

We're not boned now...

But we will be if we turn a 40-win team into a 20-win team in hopes of landing a superstar rookie.

There are other paths, such as trading for draft picks and signing free agents, that we can follow to turn our 40-win team back into a 50-win team in the short run, and eventually climb back into the league elite.

At need, we can build our own stars as we did with guys like Marion and Majerle.

The best way to build long-term is to maintain a team winning tradition and a reputation as being a place where good players can go and succeed.

In the other direction lies Clipperville.

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by suns68 on Sep 28, 2011 2:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

can I join your club?

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Sep 28, 2011 8:06 PM MST up reply actions  

AND......

DoooOOOOOooOoooooOOOOOoooOOooomeD!!!!!!!

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Sep 28, 2011 8:06 PM MST up reply actions  

My heart hurts at the very thought that one day, Steve Nash will no longer be a Sun.

I wish he could just stay young forever and we wouldn’t even have to be in this situation of thinking about having to tank a season. :’(
Sometimes being this passionate about sports makes me sad.

However, since this is all inevitable, I say the Suns stick it out with Nash until he’s done. I think it’s more beneficial to the franchise to see him finish off his time here then to trade him away for the chance of landing star players in the future.

At the very least, I suppose that these next few years will be anything but boring in terms of what the Suns attempt to do in order to turn things around…
But, in all honesty, I have absolutely no logical idea about what the Suns should do. So I’m bringing emotion to the table here.

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by Dragic_is_Magic on Sep 27, 2011 9:37 PM MST reply actions  

That was a low blow

Nash should get a ring before leaving basketball forever, that´s my wish.

Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.

by Lino Canaan on Sep 27, 2011 9:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, it would be great to see him get a ring. No doubt about it.

But that’s not what we’re going to remember him by. At least not me anyways. I think we’re going to remember the amazing moments he brought to our team, to the league, and to the community. No matter what.
 I don’t remember who it was, but someone on here stated awhile ago that it’s not the end-all-be-all if a player doesn’t get a ring in their career. There are plenty of irrelevant role players who have Championship rings. I mean, look at Adam Morrison.

Would it be awesome and beautiful for Steve Nash to finally win a ring? Of course. That’s what all players and teams strive for.
But I honestly don’t think it will hurt him personally, nor will it damage his legacy in basketball if he doesn’t.

Now, maybe I’m being selfish.. But that’s just the way I feel.

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by Dragic_is_Magic on Sep 27, 2011 10:00 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

It wouldn't damage his legacy, but getting a ring would sure rise him to the top.

In fact, I think he’d pass up both John Stocktan and Jason Kidd because of those MVP’s.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Sep 27, 2011 10:09 PM MST up reply actions  

For sure.

It’s not like I don’t want to see him win a ring. Not at all.
It’s just that, as a Suns fan, I’d rather see him here.

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by Dragic_is_Magic on Sep 27, 2011 10:15 PM MST up reply actions  

I hate the Nash/Kidd comparison that my brother always brings up

Kidd has so many milestones/records

Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.

by Lino Canaan on Sep 27, 2011 10:34 PM MST up reply actions  

If I were Nash, I'd rather retire as the king of Phoenix ...

than go chase a ring as somebody’s second-string rent-a-guard.

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by suns68 on Sep 27, 2011 10:46 PM MST up reply actions   4 recs

Steve Nash winning a ring will have zero affect on the way I see him and his career.

He is still the same mesmerizing player he has always been. A piece of jewelry does not make him a better basketball player.

Unless he does it with this roster. Because that would truly be a Herculean effort worthy of extreme praise and legacy altering.

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by Omaha Sun on Sep 30, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

so rec'd

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Sep 27, 2011 11:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm on board with tanking this season

for a good draft choice, but I don’t see how we’re going to sign All-Star talent at any position the year after.

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by jc79 on Sep 27, 2011 10:04 PM MST reply actions  

We'll have the room

Sarver will just need to be on board with dishing out the cash and being nice in the process. Although, that still doesn’t change the fact that Phoenix is very hot and we have a crappy team.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Sep 27, 2011 10:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Sarver has always ponied up for someone else’s player. It’ his own players he won’t overpay to resign. ;)

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by Alex Laugan on Sep 28, 2011 6:44 AM MST up reply actions  

wouldnt the clippers trade

their unprotected Minnesota-draft-pick for Steve?

I could live with that. tank, get 2 good lottery picks in the best draft in years, sign free agents.

And Steve should have lots of fun with Blake Griffin and the clips.

by lux200 on Sep 28, 2011 2:39 AM MST reply actions  

All we can do is

Play out the season as best we can, rid ourselves of Carter and Pietrus then make a splash in the 2012 season with the cap space we will have.
If we are really bad this year i’m open to trading anyone of value to get draft picks and tear the bandaid off quickly.

by Sunderstruck on Sep 28, 2011 6:08 AM MST reply actions  

Let's talk amnesty.

It’s about more than who the Suns might dump. It might also provide an opportunity for the Suns to pick up a rent-a-player on the cheap to plug a hole say, at SG or PF. Key thing to note is that the player who the team dumps via amnesty doesn’t count against the cap any more but the team still must pay him the remainder of his contract.

So, it’s not just a matter of clearing from the cap the biggest contract. The team will be waving goodbye to the player and throwing the remaining amount of money on the contract out the window. It might be easy for us to sit here and suggest an owner throws 10s of millions of dollars out the window but that’s a hard pill to swallow, even for a rich man. Teams might want to keep a bigger contract if the player has a significantly better chance to be useful. I agree with Alex that buying out Warrick makes more sense here since his ceiling is so low and the Suns have two young PFs (Morris and Lawal), one of whom we can hope is ready to step in. Childress might be necessary since Hill’s return is questionable and Pietrus is doing all he can to talk his way out of Phoenix.

There’s a good piece over on Grantland (Bill Simmons’ blog, not that I take his word as gospel, by any means) on players who might become available due to amnesty cuts. Among interesting names for the Suns, keeping in mind that I assume these guys would come CHEAP and be one-year rentals:

  • Richard Hamilton
  • Gilbert Arenas (though the Magic might want to dump Hedo instead)
  • Brandon Roy
  • David Lee (only outside chance he comes free since GSW will probably dump Biedrins instead.)
  • Brendan Haywood (RoLo replacement to back up Gortat)
  • Luke Walton (wanted to see if you’re still paying attention)

The reason I say I expect these players to be cheap one-year rentals is that, if I was one of them, I’d take my fat buyout and go to a team that would give me an opportunity to rebuild my value and then look to 2012 to cash in again after I’ve proven my injury isn’t totally crippling (Roy) and that I’m not a complete team cancer (Arenas), etc.

Roy, Arenas or possibly Hamilton might be good stopgap solutions for the Suns at SG if they were available under those conditions.

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by East Bay Ray on Sep 28, 2011 9:29 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Oh hell yes...

I would take Roy and Haywood any day of the week….That would be a sick roster.
Roy, Dudley
Hill, Childress
Nash, Dowdell??
Morris, Frye
Gortat, Haywood

(switch any of those in the order)
Boom. Love that lineup. Thats playoffs right there. Especially when you consider that Dallas and LA would have to significantly cut their payroll.

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by N8lol on Sep 28, 2011 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

YES! (Marv Albert voice)

I love the idea of picking up Roy. Yes, he no longer had kneecaps, but he was still putting up some quality performances in the playoffs coming back early from injury. The Suns magical medical staff, combined with the “F*** Portland for giving up on me” mentality, could mean a solid year for Roy with the Suns.

by Bostonian Suns Fan on Sep 28, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Luke Walton....god my heart ache for a while ...don´t that

Do not let Steve Nash and Grant Hill go away, please.
Otherwhise im not buying any tickets from you Saver.

by Lino Canaan on Sep 29, 2011 3:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I enjoyed this piece....

But you told me everything I needed to know about the 2011-12 Suns right at the beginning:

Team Needs: All-Star talent

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by Scott Howard on Sep 28, 2011 9:42 AM MST reply actions  

The piece was decent...

until Simmons’ bullshit about amnestying Sarver…

"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010

by N8lol on Sep 28, 2011 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

I was talking about Alex's piece. I don't waste my time with Simmons anymore.

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by Scott Howard on Sep 28, 2011 10:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, but the guys I mentioned do have a good shot to be free if there's amnesty.

And, you know you want Luke Walton on the Suns, Scott.

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by East Bay Ray on Sep 28, 2011 10:35 AM MST up reply actions  

True story...

I wouldnt even be afraid of Elton Brand for the right price.In the right system these could be his best years.

"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010

by N8lol on Sep 29, 2011 4:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Definitely not his best years.

Productive, possibly.

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by Omaha Sun on Sep 30, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

You never know.

This is the peak of his career right now. If he has a semblance of his old form plus knowledge and experience he could be better than before his hamstring injury. Its definitely a gamble but but that is why I said “could”.

"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010

by N8lol on Oct 1, 2011 9:15 AM MST up reply actions  

He’s 33 years old and has had a major knee injury. You really think he can be a 20-10 guy again?

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by Omaha Sun on Oct 1, 2011 3:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Brand started putting some things together last year...

Not saying it is for sure, but Philly uses him poorly and he can do better. Plus, I think we all know another guy that had major knee surgery and still came back for us to be a total all-star. Too bad he isn’t in this discussion…

"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010

by N8lol on Oct 2, 2011 5:15 AM MST up reply actions  

He's also 20-something years old. Not 30-something.

Brand definitely had a bounce back year, but there’s no way he’s anywhere close to how dominant he was as a Clipper.

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by Omaha Sun on Oct 2, 2011 10:13 AM MST up reply actions  

No doubt.

I never said that either. Brand as a Clipper was awesome. I dont think he will ever get quite back to that again. Still, if he could be had on the cheap then he is worth it. He isn’t Amare. He isnt Griffin. He isnt Aldridge. But he is still good for 17-8 and the occasional double double. Plus he is a smart player and defender in the post. Think we can use that?

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by N8lol on Oct 5, 2011 9:26 AM MST up reply actions  

OK, that is a completely different discussion.

I was just talking about how you said “these could be his best years.” Perhaps we ciould use that, but only if he is Philly’s amnesty contract.

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by Omaha Sun on Oct 5, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Ah, I see.

I guess my point is that he is entering what could be his prime and what typically is for big men. Hence the “could” in “these could be his best years.” If he was cheap, then not a huge loss for us, but if he ended up being great we win big.

"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010

by N8lol on Oct 7, 2011 3:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Non-Nash prime is generally upper-20s to low 30s, if I'm not mistaken. He's just past that.

I agree with the “why not if he’s cheap?” type of thinking though. We have to try something.

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by Omaha Sun on Oct 9, 2011 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

lol.

Got it…

"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010

by N8lol on Sep 29, 2011 4:21 AM MST up reply actions  

This could still be a playoff team!

Maybe I am just going insane due to my baseball team’s historical collapse currently taking place, but I still see playoffs as a possibility for the Suns this year.

Assuming Grant Hill leaves (we have 73 small forwards, I say trade Pietrus and let the 3rd oldest player in the league walk), and if an amnesty-like clause is in the new CBA, we could potentially have the following:

PG: Nash, Brooks
SG: Roy (why wouldn’t he want to go to the best medical staff in the league?)
SF:Dudley, Childress
PF: Frye, Warrick
C: Gortat, Lopez

Nash is still an offensive god. Last year was a fluke for Brooks due to injuries, and he is still capable of being a lethal scorer off the bench. Brandon Roy would be fueled by a phenomenal medical staff and a desire to stick it to Portland despite not having knees. Dudley has been working nonstop to get in better shape, and a recent video of him at Impact makes him incredibly skinny now. Childress was bothered by a broken finger last year, but his defense and insane hustle (offensive rebounds, etc.) was inspiring. Gortat emerged last season as a double-double machine. I think this team could surprise people.

Now to resume waiting in line to jump into the Charles River. Death to John Lackey!

by Bostonian Suns Fan on Sep 28, 2011 10:57 AM MST reply actions  

My prediction is that the Clips and Suns will be in a fierce battle for 2nd place in the division

The Kings and Warriors have talent, but they don’t have the experience like the Suns and Clips do

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by ClipperBEAST on Sep 29, 2011 8:17 AM MST reply actions  

A set of circumstances that provokes an individual to write
the Clips and Suns will be in a fierce battle

Makes me a little bit queasy.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Sep 29, 2011 8:39 AM MST up reply actions   4 recs

It's true though.

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by Suns R Us on Oct 1, 2011 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

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