Phoenix Suns Game Recap: Los Angeles Lakers 99 Phoenix Suns 83
Kobe Bryant injured. Whatever. Tonight Bryant went for 48 and the long Lakers defense stifled the Suns anti-offensive juggernaut in a 99-83 beating.
It was a tale of 3 quarters for the Suns who managed to hang for 3+ with one of the best squads in the Western Conference. Then the 4th quarter. The dreaded 4th quarter. A Jared Dudley free throw with 2 minutes left was the last scoring the Suns did. Kobe Bryant reeled off 4 straight...KOBEKOBEKOBE. I'm sick of that guy. He's even single now.
The Suns got off to a nice 19-10 start with Channing Frye hitting three straight shots, Steve Nash attacking the hoop, Grant Hill effectively blanketing Bryant like a cheap Sunday dress, and the Suns bigs clogging the lanes.
Yet after an L.A. timeout, and Shannon Brown subbing for Hill, the Lakers went on a 10-0 run with Kobe Bryant dropping 8 of the 10. Not only was Brown beaten on the defensive end, on the offensive end he chucked up 3 straight bricks and committed a turnover.
Bryant finished with 17 points in the quarter while the Suns went scoreless for nearly 4 minutes and the Lakers led 25-19.
In the second, Andrew Bynum abused Robin Lopez and the Suns began the quarter shooting 2-6. In all fairness to Shannon Brown, he picked up the pace with a nice break away dunk while adding a little D. A Ronnie Price 3 completed a 7-0 Suns run to bring the 12 point lead down to single digits. After a killer Nash no look to Gortat, a Frye 3, and a Dudz putback, the Suns had completed a 12-0 run, and found themselves up by one.
The Suns limped to the break on a turnover and brick down 46-42. Kobe Bryant finished with 23, eclipsing the output of 4 of the Suns 5 starters.
Marcin Gortat led the Suns through the 3rd with 8 points and the game had apparantly settled into a close matchups between two rival squads. The Suns hung in the 4th keeping things close as Kobe Bryant entered to start a small Laker run. Shannon Brown chipped in 9 while Channing Frye rekindled his shooting stroke for a 2 and a long 3. After a Gasol 20 footer put the game at 89-82, L.A. , the Suns called timeout with 4 and change left. Evidently not much sank in from that little meeting as the Suns responded with two bricks and a personal foul while the Lakers reeled off two straight hoops punctuated by a Kobe Bryant ESPN highlight show at the rim after the Suns allowed Luke Freakin Walton to grab an offensive rebound and kick the ball back out.
In the end the Suns couldn't hit a shots and couldn't make any stops. Game Over, man.
NUMBERS:
- Grant Hill 1-12, 4 points. OK I give a little break since he was guarding Bryant tonight. But still, that's not a beautiful line
- Jared Dudley 2-7, 7 points in 28 minutes. Dudley never found the groove. A rare off night and a total non-factor in the game.
- Robin Lopez: Did he play? I saw Bynum abuse him a few times. Lots of zeroes in the boxscore for Lopez.
- Markieff Morris also silent and a non factor. And even thought Keef doesn't get rattled, perhaps being in LA made him a little shaky.
What else to say. When you shoot 42% get outrebounded by 14, and give up 18 second chance points, you aren't going to win a lot of games. Give credit to the Laker defense. They thwarted the pick and roll, smothered Steve Nash, and flat rebounded. Props to Channing Frye on a nice game. He played 32 minutes, but with the way he was shooting, he should have played more. Props to Gortat on a nice game as well. He's making that mid range to 18 footer consistently and he's always bringing 100%. Dealing with Bynum and Gasol isn't easy. Just ask Robin Lopez.
- Remember when Channing Frye made that put back slam as the 24 second clock was at 0
- Remember when Steve Nash sent a laser to Marcin Gortat for a dunk?
- Remember when Markieff Morris dove for that ball and Kobe Bryant tripped over him and got all butt sore?
Those were all cool times.
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Kobe was Kobe, and the Suns hit a wall with 6 minutes left. Grant and Steve had 0 energy at the end, and no one else could do anything. The ol’ “trap Nash” play worked too well.
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"trap Nash play"
Which is why we need Redd. Brown has no ball handeling skills which is why he jacks up a shot 90% of the time it hits his hand; rather than create for his teammates; which is going to make it easy for Gentry to decide who’s minutes Redd will take. Duds is one of my favorites, but, 7 points against our div rival, 11 point a game, makes it easy again for Gentry to start Redd and move Duds to the bench. Great for both starters and bench. IMHO
Speaking of redd..
Anyone know the progress of our training staff’s reassembly of him…?
If it’s anything like my son’s Erector set I got him for Christmas…this could take a while…
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* Suns guards Michael Redd and Sebastian Telfair have been staying after shootarounds for basketball conditioning workouts with player development coach Corey Gaines and assistant coach Noel Gillespie. Redd is doing so with the aim of making his Suns debut Thursday night…
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BAMF goes HAM.
That image of Kobe.
I feel offended just by looking at it. GAAGH.
Oh well, we just didn’t have it in the 4th. Plus, the Lakers did a really good job on pressuring Frye NOT to shoot.
Until somebody changes the roster on the home page...
I’m blaming all losses on Vince Carter and Michael Pietrus.
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by suns68 on Jan 10, 2012 11:22 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
nothing we can do about that. IT thing. I noticed too.
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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 10, 2012 11:23 PM MST up reply actions
I hear that. Been fighting the damn computers since early this am...
I'm Michael Beasley's imaginary friend.
What does that look like?
Is it as comical as I think it is?
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add Brown to that mix
I noicted when ever he catches the ball the only thing on his mind is shoot, not drive and maybe penetrate and dish, every time the ball makes it to him its, clunk, no team baskteball. He is making it easy for the FO to know where to find minutes for Redd.
I am fine with this approach.
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
by Scott Howard on Jan 11, 2012 9:26 AM MST up reply actions
Well, those two are taking up a combined $7M in cap space this year.
Which could otherwise be used to pay a SG who isn’t: a.) a career backup, b.) holding his knee together with bubble gum or c.) almost completely lacking in basketball skills.
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by East Bay Ray on Jan 11, 2012 11:59 AM MST up reply actions
i knew it was over
when Gortat chucked up that 20 footer in the 4th after a time out… :(
could we have taken worse shots in the last 5 mins???
Rewatched it - was about 2.5 seconds left
That play was poorly executed, byt not by Nash or Gortat. It was a combination of good D by LA (They rushed Nash, then on pick two Blake slipped the screen), poor pick setting (by Frye on Blake), a poorly thrown pass by Hill (he missed Frye by almost 3 feet) and a weird rotation where it looked like it was designed to get Frye open in the corner, but he rotated up top for some odd reason.
Plays are going to breakdown on occasion, and that was about as poorly executed a play as we’ve run in a while.
I have a feeling they might be reviewing
where things went wrong on that possession in a team video session.
Just a hunch.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 11, 2012 10:31 AM MST up reply actions
Indeed
It seems like late they all get stiff, and when the play breaks down, panic a bit. Maybe with a few more games that are in the balance, they’ll get better at that.
GSW beats MIA in OT!
after being down 17 in the 3rd!
Still a very crazy season!
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Jan 10, 2012 11:30 PM MST reply actions
Suck it LeBron
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by JoeCB1991 on Jan 11, 2012 12:00 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Need. A. Closer
Or else we might as well get used to this in close games.
Good game overall though, but again, I didn’t expect a win. The team, overall, is looking much much better than they did towards the start of this season. Tough to get too hung up on this loss.
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This
This a million times. They were just killing our rhythm offensively and we had no answers.
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redd
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by phxpurple on Jan 11, 2012 1:24 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
it’s a nice option, actually. Something new for the Suns late-game offense.
Of course, the danger is giving up more points on the other end by playing such a statue.
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Will Brown or Price pass him the ball?
That is my worry, because they don’t pass to Hak.
Most frustrating thing ever.
Literally, Brown does not look to pass. Where normally one of our guys would drive in and kick out he puts up a bad shot. Then what? He has the GALL to try and make up for it in the fourth.
Defensive rebounds were atrocious. One of the worst feelings is watching this team play great D for 24 seconds just to see them give the ball back because they don’t even have their hands up.
Those offensive dry spells were infuriating, too.
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by TheAlexSkinner on Jan 10, 2012 11:31 PM MST reply actions
Also, look at those idiots courtside in that photo above.
Like they’re observing a badminton match.
I HATE THE LAKERS.
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by TheAlexSkinner on Jan 10, 2012 11:33 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
the best thing was
when he was leading a 2 on 1 break, and then he lost control of his dribble…awesome
Seriously.
I literally said out loud, “What? You forgot how to dribble too?!”
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by TheAlexSkinner on Jan 10, 2012 11:41 PM MST up reply actions
That was bad.
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That play made me really angry...
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That killed me
Great athlete but not a bball player
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by phxpurple on Jan 11, 2012 1:25 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
really key moment in the game..
We make a nice run at the beginning of the fourth..down 1 I think and with the ball and nine minutes to go. Shannon has chucked like 5 in a row and has fortunately made a few. Frye has had to sit out most of the 3rd with fouls and is in but hasn’t hardly seen a sniff of the ball for the first three minutes of the 4th despite being the veteran of the group and the hottest player on the court.
Shannon on the right wing, with Frye on the left all alone with no one within feet of him. Of course, Shannon chucks the 3 and misses while Frye who was on fire can’t get a touch.Lakers follow with a mini run which begins the icing of the game.
Ugh.
I was watching that and thinking
“He’s going to hit Frye.” Then I remembered who Shannon Brown was. If this were the Twolves or something I wouldn’t care as much, but EFF.
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by TheAlexSkinner on Jan 11, 2012 12:08 AM MST up reply actions
shannon brown -23. enough said
offense needs to go to hak when bench is playing
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Laker fan here
Believe me Shannon Brown us going to frustrate the hell out if you guys. He takes ALOT of contested jumpers and frankly while super athletic doesn’t have a lot if basketball skills. Watching him play compared to a basketball maestro like Steve Nash is going to give you heartburn
by Archon on Jan 10, 2012 11:38 PM MST via mobile reply actions
well good to know the frustration is mutual
and you put it perfectly i can feel the heartburn and hypertension developing as he plays
Carter having a glazed-eyes contest with Boris Diaw. Carter's winning, but Diaw might respond by eating his eyes.
Developing all kinds of health problems because of this guy.
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It was all part of the plan
Lakers planned this, give us Brown (apparently still faker), and win the game!
Think about it, it makes sense lol.
we'll win the next ...
and then it will suck less…
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We should have implemented our plan.
This loss rests squarely on our shoulders 2N.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 11, 2012 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
I started watching with 10 minutes left in the third,
and Gortat did a terrible job of boxing out. Nobody else did all that great either, but I remember at least 4 offensive rebounds for the Lakers that Gortat was responsible for. That cannot happen.
Acucrack is right. Our offense was terrible in the last 7 minutes or so. All our shots were long, contested jumpers. Steve was tired, they swarmed him, and nobody else could do anything. Meanwhile, Kobe was being Kobe on the other end.
That being said, we hung with these guys for about 40 minutes, and we looked pretty good while doing it. We just need to put 48 minutes of quality basketball together, and that means the supporting cast has to step up and give Steve Some help so he’s not so tired at the end of games.
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Really?
I didn’t see any Gortat was responsible for – Walton wasn’t his man for one. There are 5 players on court, are you sure Gortat was to blame?
I've rewatched the the ORebs we gave up
Starting with Gasol with 10.56 in the third and…
10.56 – Gasol – Defended by Frye. Gortat on Bynum. Gortat shows on Bryant backscreen as Hill gets caught, Kobe to Bynum, Frye rolls over onto Bynum, challenges his hook, Dudley doesn’t box out Gasol on the miss. Blame? Well, partly Dudleym but hard to blame him. Mostly just a great pick by Bynum to force Gortat onto Bryant, and ultimately good positioning by Gasol.
9.51 – Bynum defended by Gortat. Gortat lost him, but was hedging on a Kobe drive.
3.29 – Gasol defended by Gortat, Walton gets free in corner on PnR wioth Kobe, Gortat hedges, and loses Gasol. Gortat could have done a bit better, but he was caught in a no-win situation.
4th quarter
8.53 Shanon Brown (BOOO) jumps early, Walton gets an OReb.
3:12 Walton. WTF happened here? Frye showed halfway to Kobe in the post against Hill, and loses Walton, who slides in between Dudz and Nash. WTF was Frye doing?
0:41 Gasol gets a lucky bounce over Gortat. Just one of those things that happen.
I really couldn’t find many cases where Gortat was not boxing out, and I certainly couldn’t find four ORebs Gortat was responsible.
In many cases, Gortat is probably a victim of his effort. The Walton OReb with 3.12 left in the game is a good example. Gortat was not involved at all, but when Walton got it, Gortat was right there in the frame, seemingly missing a boxout.

But Gortat’s man Gasol was camped well past the three point line straight on:

This makes it look like a missed boxout, when in reality Gortat never had position. If anything, Dudley needs to be a bit more physical, as he missed a few boxouts that he is plenty big enough to have made.
by MMotherwell on Jan 11, 2012 1:58 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I love how Frye stands there waiting for the ball to fall into his direction(1st pic)
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Watching the play
Frye goes towards Kobe, and then turns to rebound. He never tries to find his man. It almost seems like a plan – as if they coach that one guy must stand between the shooter and the basket.
Dudley should have boxed out Walton – he just kind of stood there and watched, rather than getting his body on Walton. Dudz is big enough to make that boxout, but he didn’t seem aware that he needed to box out, and maybe he doesn’t. Frye though, why isn’t his first instinct “where is my man to box out”?
4 might have been an exaggeration, and I was tired.
But I remember one (I can’t go back and look at it like you) where Gortat just stood there and wasn’t ready to go after a board. I don’t remember if he didn’t think LA was going to get a shot off or what, but he gave up on the play assuming it was over. And that’s our problem. Good defense for 24 seconds, but we don’t finish the play.
And perhaps Gortat didn’t miss a box out on his man, but I teach my 6th graders to find someone to box out, whether we are in zone or man or whatever. I would expect a pro player to help out a teammate if he needs it.
Also, I hate Luke Walton.
Nash missed a box out as well, perhaps it’s the one in your pic above. It looked like he was positioning himself to box out, but he never actually made the contact and just stood there.
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How do you hate Luke Walton?
What has he ever done? hahahaha.
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Well, Luke Walton himself is too insignificant to hate. I guess I hate the fact that we made him look like a real NBA player.
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Ah
Yeah that is pretty frustrating. I have never seen Walton play such a long stretch in games.
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He has skills
I’d love him for us – he is mobile, has BBall IQ and can hit open jumpers. He’s an ideal backup who can be useful in the right situation (like as a 4 against us).
It is because Gortat is always there
Gortat doesn’t miss many box outs, he is just there when other guys go missing and it looks bad because he is behind people.
Dudley missed Walton on the one screenshot above (Dudley and Nash really), but it seems that no one really bodies up. It isn’t Gortat – seriously, he does a good job, it is everyone else, as both the stats and the live action show. Frye especially just goes missing. He just doesn’t seem to pay attention when his shot is falling.
The defensive structure also hurts, as guys are expected to hedge against drives, and that leaves them out of position. Often it looks like we have 4 guys in the paint, but really we have 1 big, 3 guards and their big has position. We need to body up better, but really, while we have such average defenders, we’ll have to choose between defending and showing string, and being in rebounding position.
It is a fine line we run
We try and run on rebounds and sometimes that leads to some rebounds that we give up.
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Yup
That’s why I am not a big fan of pushing the break at all cost.
Also Frye freaks me out – he has ridiculous rebounding stats for a guy that has such poor rebounding instincts…
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 12, 2012 9:07 AM MST up reply actions
Why does Kobe always have to go into God Mode against the Suns?
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It is so stupid
He relishes playing us….. We just get destroyed by him.
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it's a bit childish...
The victory was especially sweet for Bryant, who has never hidden his disdain for the Suns, a team right behind the Lakers in the Pacific Division.
"I don’t like them," he said. "They used to whup us pretty good and let us know about it. I won’t forget that."
That quote is from last night right?
But he said we used to let him know about it too so he hates us. It could be childish but I don’t have a problem with it to be honest….. It is just motivation for him.
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It's downright weird.
A player who abominates a bitter rival….
I don’t know that I’ve ever heard of such a dynamic in all the history of sports.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 11, 2012 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
did anybody notice
shannon brown sux
Enough Bitchin' lets do this
by 2NASHTY on Jan 11, 2012 12:06 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
No waiz
He looked like MVP to me lol….
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by Airwave on Jan 11, 2012 12:14 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like
he hurt us less as a laker
Enough Bitchin' lets do this
by 2NASHTY on Jan 11, 2012 12:17 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah
And even then there would be times where he would go off on us somehow. That seems to happen with lots of players though….
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He may have had a few huge dunks on us
But he never went off. Typical Shannon Brown. His career high vs us is 13pts on 3-7 shooting.
BAMF goes HAM.
im sick of kobe being "hurt" every year, but stil plays no problem
why cant he ever really be hurt to the point he cant play?
either he is a cyborg, or the injuries are way overblown
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Yeah.
I’m kind of thinking that Kobe is playing with soccer injuries…..
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 11, 2012 10:39 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
The refs are also making sure nobody gets close to him either by blowing their whistle on plays where there wasn't even a foul
Like that one they called on Frye where he didn’t even touch Kobe’s wrist
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My fucking god....
What happened in 4th quarter :| I could only watch boxscore and plays on my smartphone, and all i saw was Brown missing shots, ppl losing ball… Meh.
I hope Redd still has it… Nothing feels worse than losing like that after staying close for whole game.
We literally couldn't get anything going offensively
It was painful to watch, it was last year all over again. Steve trying his ass off to get around defenders and get open looks for others but he can’t find anything.
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Let's hope
that Redd will be ready to play for the rematch, would be nice if suns medical staff pulled off one more miracle :p
Just got back from the game
Live out of the market, so this has been the first game I’ve been able to watch start to finish. Just wanted to share a few thoughts:
-Hill actually played great D for most of the night; Kobe just had one of those games
-I think Ronnie Price played well tonight, and Warrick made some nice plays, but the 2nd unit as a whole looked completely overmatched.
-I hope Michael Redd gets healthy soon, because Shannon Brown is driving me crazy.
All things considered, if Channing Frye stays out of foul trouble and with better rebounding, this game may have been much closer.
I agree about your first point. Every miss, and quite a few of the makes, were great defense by Grant.
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But coaching staff need to recognize
If KB is so hot – double him, help out with other defenders…
Most of the time when he take sover a game the other Lakers are so cold by the end they miss open shots out of his passes.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 12, 2012 9:10 AM MST up reply actions
Sucks to lose to the Lakers
Of course one of my new roomates is a Lakers fan and was like “You can find that play on SportsCenter after the game bro” after Kobe dunked the alley-oop…. Ugh….. I hate the Lakers so damn much!
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Me too man, me too.
Kobe-shmobe. We got humiliated by that guy. And i hate him so much lol
It's total BS to hang this loss on Brown
This game was lost in the late fourth when Brown was on the bench.
Nobody could make a shot down the stretch and Gentry is so rigid in his thinking that he didn’t even try to make a move to stop it. It’s pretty lame when the dumbest box of rocks announcer in the league knows exactly what you’re going to do at any given moment.
That, and if Gentry wasn’t such a country club coach, the players might have had some legs left down the stretch. The Lakers sure did and they played as many minutes as the Suns.
Superior conditioning used to be one of our trademarks and won us a lot of close games. Now, it’s like everybody’s more worried about resting than running.
If they don’t change that attitude, pronto, we’re gonna be the best rested team in the lottery.
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by suns68 on Jan 11, 2012 12:55 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I agree...
but with VC and Pietrus gone, someone had to take the mantle of escapegoat.
Anyways, rebounding, lack of a finisher, mental toughness, bench production (i still cringe everytime Nash sits down or when Lopez tries a post-up move).
"Who are we kidding?..."
Yeah but the stuff before brown was on the bench mattered
You know, when he was a -23 while he was on the court. I think that bit had something to do with it.
But I agree we can’t use him for a scapegoat. Still need a closer
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Brown was there when the rot started
Brown was oncourt with Nash and it was his bad three that started the rot.
But agreed – we did bugger all the last 2:10 (our last score when Hill hit two FTs).
We seemed to run bad PnRs at the end, although we did miss a lot of shots (Hill was bad there) and looked out of sync. But the loss was caused as much by the bad run late in the first, when Brown came in, and the bench continues to have Brown take bad shot after bad shot, and when he doesn’t, Price dribbles into trouble.
Pity, because Hak looks really good as a postup 3 – really good – and he’d be an ideal primary bench weapon, if we had a guard that could get him the ball.
Disagree somewhat.
We lost this game when we were up 9 and Shannon Brown entered the game in the first quarter. Up until that point, Bryant was fairly quiet. The Lakers then went on a 15-0 run in which Bryant got going and on four straight possessions we witnessed three long jump shots from Brown and one turnover.
Did we struggle at other times during the game? Yes. But we lost the momentum there and never really got it back.
by Chris_Coffel on Jan 11, 2012 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
Also
Brown hugged Kobe so I’m officially blaming every bad thing that happens this year to the Suns on him. It’s only fair.
by Chris_Coffel on Jan 11, 2012 9:43 AM MST up reply actions
Why can't the coaches teach the Suns bigs how to box-out and rebound?
What the hell does Majerle do? How about Kokoskov, Cartwright and Gillespie? The Suns stayed with the Lakers before the last 6 or 7 minutes. I was guessing before the game that since Odom is gone, the Suns should have won the rebounding battle. Frye did found his shot but he still frustrating to watch. I don’t know who’s Frye is going to show up, the one who misses his shots that rebounds or the one that has the hot hand but forgets he’s the 3rd tallest guy on the team. Brown makes my head hurt. The Brown I watched on the Lakers is a bit better than this and him being used by Gentry like how he used J-Rich is wrong. This is a game where the Suns have brought the effort and this one largely falls on Gentry’s head. I’m hoping there would be a change in coaching by the end of this season.
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I believe it's not the bigs that should learn...
but the “smalls”. Most of the time there was an extra laker on the glass (Walton, for one), who wasn’t kept in check by our respective player (Dudley, Hill, Brown).
As to the bigs – I thought Gortat did a decent job and Lopez lost the battle to Bynum, but Bynum + Gasol are probably the best rebounding tandem in the league right now, losing to them is not the worst that could happen.
I was rather worried by our inablilty to adjust defense against Kobe – he was abusing Hill al night and we stuck to 1-on-1.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 11, 2012 5:36 AM MST up reply actions
I can understand why the wings are absent on defensive rebounds though.
I think for the Suns to be pushing the tempo like they want to on offense the wings have to break down the court once the shot is taken by the opposing team. Although this has helped with our offense, it doesn’t make sense to be telling the wings to push it in crucial points in the game. Especially when you need stops on the defensive ends (meaning getting the rebound AS WELL as forcing a bad shot).
by lixuec on Jan 11, 2012 10:09 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
@Piotr
Walton played PF, so he was the bigs’ responsibility.
@lix
There’s a difference between not crashing the boards because you’re leaking out and standing around waiting for someone else to get the ball. Our wings do need to get better at helping on the boards.
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They just seem to miss boxouts
We need everyone on the glass – not just Gortat.
Brown hugged kobe in the end
Kobe held him close and whispered……
You did good, your checks in the mail
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by phxpurple on Jan 11, 2012 1:44 AM MST via Android app reply actions 8 recs
rolo and brown
For brandon rush
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by phxpurple on Jan 11, 2012 1:57 AM MST via Android app reply actions
if you’re ready to trade Brown, how about Brown for Raja Bell (Utah)? same money, roughly, but Bell has one more year.
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I want a 2nd year of ancient Raja like I want a hole in my head.
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
by Scott Howard on Jan 11, 2012 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
Can I assume that you have a hemorrage in your head and want to relieve the pressure?
Because I wouldn’t mind having him back just to harass Kobe.
by lixuec on Jan 11, 2012 10:11 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Alex, aren't you the one who has previously preached against bringing back our old players?
I think it should be on a case by case basis, but a 35-year old Raja Bell is playing like a corpse. No, thanks.
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by East Bay Ray on Jan 11, 2012 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
yes, yes. It was a social experiment. I wanted to see how many people jumped on the idea…
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by East Bay Ray on Jan 11, 2012 1:46 PM MST up reply actions
actually he's still a decent bench player
watched the utah v golden state game the other night and he was Raja-ing Monte all night, and chipped in 10 points to boot, a couple of which were corner 3s.
Really?
35.1% FG% and 22.2% from 3? Looks pretty bad to me.
Nah
This season we are going nowhere – lets keep the flexibility.
I;d rather get Keith Bogans. He doesn’t look like much, but last year he defended well and hit his threes, he is a fair bit younger than Raja and can be had for a minimum contract.
I don't want Bogans.
He was difficult for me to watch in Chicago.
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He's super cheap and does nothing wrong
He’s the anti-Brown, and kind of a younger Raja. I get all that is wrong with him, but a guy who knows his limits, and plays within them, can be super productive, and Bogans is that guy.
.383 from 3 for the Vet minimum would be a mighty handy addition right now, if Redd doesn’t work out.
IDK, I just feel like if we're going to bring in another guard it has to be someone who can handle the ball.
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Only because
He was off court during that awful late first early second run. http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20120110&game=PHOLAL – taje that away, and the other starters were positive as well.
Hill missed a few corner 3s I’d expect him to normally make, and if he did, we’d have been in it a lot longer.
Ultimately, the team was inconsistent, and that was why we lost, and hopefully, HOPEFULLY, we get better at that as the season goes on.
I would say Gortat is one of the best 3 centers defending 1-on-1
Howard
Perkins being the other 2
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 11, 2012 5:39 AM MST up reply actions
Gortat’s offense was good too. His only problem is avoiding fouls on his offensive game.
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We'll, it's officially a first guys...
Now that we have a legit frontcourt… WE AIN’T GOT NO GUARDS. :C
seen
some very positive things about Gortat’s offense so far since the splint came off the thumb…his passing out of pick and roll situations is very good and his mid-range shot is improved. I’m even seeing signs of life from his low post game.
I want a bigger sample size, but so far I’m impressed with his offseason improvement.
Defensively, what KILLED Bynum was Nash. Nash abused him on the pick and rolls which is why he wasn’t in the game late. Gortat didn’t defend him poorly, but Bynum is too big and skilled for Gortat to handle him w/o help. The Suns doubled the post a lot and rotated well.
Ultimately, it was Kobe being Kobe but other than that, the Suns defended and played well.
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 11, 2012 8:04 AM MST up reply actions
agreed
Also, we didn’t shoot the ball well enough after Nash, Frye and Gortat, and those guys relatively didn’t get enough shots, given that few others hit anything…the run at the end of the first beginning of the second didn’t help either.
But overall, we played pretty well. considering also that we do seem to get their best game, just about every time we play them.
I’m about to do a detailed breakdown of what when wrong in the final 6 min and touch on this…
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 11, 2012 8:17 AM MST up reply actions
Dang...Passed out and this is what I wake too...
Oh well, there is always tommorrow… Just a small setback in the grander scheme of life…
Let’s Go Suns…!!!!
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by Daryl Ray on Jan 11, 2012 5:43 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
We should have signed Nate Robinson instead of Brown
Nate is killing it in GSW
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LOL. there's two 3rd game thread for this game. and the other one only got 80+ comments while the other one got 800+
and everyone there at first was like “where did everyone go?” "apocalypse…
I don't know what to put in my sig.
haha I was wondering how that went. I noticed both, and went to the one with the most comments.
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um, yeah about that….couldn’t have been avoided, management accepts full responsibility.
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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 11, 2012 9:07 AM MST up reply actions
went to check out ssr
And thought they wouldn’t be as bad as I assumed. I was wrong. They were worse. Bunch of arrogant Kobe fanboys who ripped grant hill to shreds. Even the writer for their rap up was a complete douchebag.
Carter having a glazed-eyes contest with Boris Diaw. Carter's winning, but Diaw might respond by eating his eyes.
by NashtySUNS on Jan 11, 2012 7:34 AM MST via iPhone app reply actions
the thing that's going to drive us nuts about brown
is that same thing that drove us nuts about VC and pietrus: he takes idiotic shots and destroys the flow of the offense, and then when they go in he feels empowered to keep taking them. it’s a vicious cycle of suckitude.
I love gentry, but here’s something i absolutely cannot figure out: why is it that he gives some guys a long leash even when they’re playing like garbage and hurting the team (e.g. Vince, shannon), while giving other guys almost none (childress)?
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I think I can answer that question
most coaches in the NBA make decisions based on the player’s reputation. Brown had some good games against us and maybe that’s why Gentry decides to stick with him a little bit more. Or maybe he sees something good in practice that prompts him to leaving him on the court and sitting Josh. Personally, I hate happy triggers since they disrupt the offense and make it easy on the other team’s defense. To me, chucking up shots is almost as bad a turning the ball over.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
It’s a no win situation b/c coaches also love guys being aggressive and this team desperately needs a guy that can score on his own (w/o Nash). Brown is encouraged to be aggressive and take shots.
When he does and he makes them (like he did in the fourth w/ about 7 min to make it a two point game) then he’s a hero. When he misses them like he did a bit later off an offensive rebound, he’s a goat.
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 11, 2012 8:17 AM MST up reply actions
Then Shannon Brown = Goatero
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Probably with Brown is that even when he hits shots, they’re awfu shots. I can only think of one time in last night’s game when Shannon shot the ball and it seemed like a good shot. I don’t care if he’s hitting them, if he’s taking bad shots, I want him out of the game.
He should be aggressive, but there’s a difference between being aggressive and jacking up bad shots. I don’t think Brown understands this.
by Chris_Coffel on Jan 11, 2012 9:47 AM MST up reply actions
I meant problem. Curse you edit button for not existing!
by Chris_Coffel on Jan 11, 2012 9:49 AM MST up reply actions
But he misses a lot
And Hak is the guy they need to go to, he really is. Throw Hak the ball, make a cut towards the basket then go stand in a corner should be Brown’s orders.
I don't think this is about reputation.
Childress had a much better career before coming to Phoenix than Brown.
by Chris_Coffel on Jan 11, 2012 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
I would have more fun watching, if
I was watching Morris and a bunch of other young guys and dreaming about their potential, matched with early draft picks and a lot of cap space for free agency this summer, in 2-3 years.
As it is now, an old, injured man (Kobe) lit up and older and slower Grant Hill. Kobe is still great, and a top-5 player but Hill just couldn’t hang. It hurts to watch.
Also, Nash needs a reprieve. If he dies before 65, it is because this season added 10-15 years to his life (like Indy says, “it’s not the years, its the mileage”).
Mmmmm ... Guinness
This was a tough.disappointing loss. With the way bryant was shooting we probably weren’t going to win anyway.
The lakers beat us tonight but i still don’t think that means their any better than what they were last year. There are definitely better teams in the west that’ll finish ahead of them so i wouldn’t worry about the rapist seeing another title in his career.
Back to the suns. We played pretty well on the offensive end up until the fourth quarter, but what killed us is our total lack of defensive effort on the boards. Gortat and frye played well, morris looked more than a little rattled playing against gasol and bynumb(just rookie jitters, i expect a huge effort from him against tristan thompson and the cavs.
Lopez gave us nothing really and didn’t seem to have consistent focus or intensity. It doesn’t surprise me though, he was at his best playing next to and complimenting an explosive offensively gifted big like amare(that’s the only way he’s productive) and he doesn’t have that option now. We are expecting too much from him. for lopez to be effective on a consistent basis he needs to play next to an athletic post scorer and concentrate only on defense(not offense).
Brown is still an impressive athlete and is still young, but he shouldn’t be playing if he’s going to turn into a black hole every game. He has terrible shot selection and doesn’t know what a pass is yet. The coaches have to pull him aside and try and change this behavior or he becomes a wasted aquisition.
Nash and hill really looked winded throughout the game and it’s clear that even though we added price( a very solid backup) we need a big talent upgrade (for the future) at pointguard and on the wing(particularly behind hill, as dudley is still more effective off the bench).
I expect redd to provide some relief on offense from the perimeter but he’s obviously(given his age and past health issues) not a long term answer.
Until the front office addresses ALL these concerns we’ll be really struggling to beat the stronger teams in the west while looking really good against lottery opponents on most nights.
good analysis, all the way around
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by Alex Laugan on Jan 11, 2012 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
Anyone else notice that sarver was at last night's game?
The commentators mentioned that sarver was at the game, and then showed him sitting next to nicholson smiling. I wonder what he was thinking about the outcome of the game and what he saw from his team?
He got to witness some of our strengths but mainly our biggest weaknesses. It’ll be interesting to see if he’s willing to adress them. If he truly wants this team to reach the playoffs and make a positive impact (not just get there to be eliminated).
He"ll have the front office and scouting department working diligently(for once!) throughout the season on college scouting as well as working the phones, to give us a chance to get stronger and more talented at those positions of need either later this season or in the off-season.
At this point I feel like his main interest is just selling enough tickets until he decides to sell the team
Just a weird hunch
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
he may be an NBA personnel moron, but it would unfair of any Suns fan to questions Sarver’s in-game fandom. He attends every home game, cheers on the team, hoots, hollers with the best of them.
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He isn't bad
Just hamstrung by a small, competitive market. He is better than many owners and FO, see Sterling, Donald.
Absolutely hate losing to these smug fuggers
but you do have to admire what Kobe can do. He is still the best player on the planet when he sets his mind to it. Unbelievable display. Nobody could have done a better job than BAMF on this night. The mamba really has it in for the Suns and it showed. What bothered me was seeing scrubs like Walton and Barnes hurt us. Steve played huge minutes. We seemed to be in a good position at crunch time. But the whole league has long since figured out that it’s a good idea to trap and double him. Why not give Chilly a run when Brown is so turrible?
To top it off, with a couple of exceptions we shot very poorly – again. Fakers are pretty tough on D though.
Sad sad sad.
I was shocked when I checked the box score
Since I didn’t have access to watch it, I just relied on ESPN’s game cast to keep me updated. I was relieved that it was a close one throughout most of the game, but then I check the final score and it was already over.
What sucks is that the final score makes it look like it was a blow out, even though that’s not the case at all. Played well enough to get a win for three quarters.
Close only counts in horse shoes, hand-grenades, and head lice....
A loss is a loss…the good things is we played better than we have in previous losses. This team is starting to come around and is on track to make the play-offs.
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