Michael Redd Set To Debut For Phoenix Suns
by SB Nation NBA News on Jan 11, 2012 7:01 PM MST
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PrintThe Phoenix Suns signed veteran shooting guard Michael Redd to help provide another scoring option for the team that's experiencing an uncharacteristic offensive drought. Redd joined the Suns almost two weeks ago but has yet to take the floor for his new team. He's spent the time working on his conditioning and getting into basketball shape after having played just 10 games last season and only 61 games in the last three years due to multiple knee injuries.
Redd, according to Paul Coro of the Arizona Republic, participated in five-on-five scrimmages for the first time on Wednesday and will "likely" make his debut for the Suns on Thursday when Phoenix hosts the Cleveland Cavaliers.
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"I felt good," Redd said. "We pushed it and I felt fine. I didn't come out of practice the whole practice so that's a good sign. I'm learning the system and the plays and the guys have been very helpful with that. The game is starting to slow down a little bit for me in practice. When I first started, it was kind of fast. Now it's starting to come. Now it's time for a real game."
It's not yet clear who's minutes Redd would take in a Suns rotation that's already ten-men deep. Back up shooting guard Shannon Brown is coming off a strong performance against the Los Angeles Lakers where he scored nine points in nine minutes in the fourth quarter on 4-8 shooting.
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Well here goes the Redd experiment...
Let’s see what comes of it…Hopefully it’s good stuff…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Shannon Brown learned everything from Kawme Brown
by rdgroce on Jan 11, 2012 7:37 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
lol like Bynum.
Phoenix Suns and Steve Nash. That is all.
by PhoenixSons on Jan 11, 2012 9:41 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm excited to see what he can do
I think Dudz starts and Redd comes off the bench to start, pushing Brown out of minutes. I’d think Redd would play 10 minutes in the first game or two, with brown getting another 10, and dudz the rest. Then, I think it’ll depend on what Redd does. If he’s great, maybe he moves up to starter and Dudz comes off the bench.
Frankly, I’ve not been impressed with Brown. I just haven’t seen him make many intelligent decisions. And, double frankly, I think its a coaching problem. They seem to have told him, “go out and shoot. Ultimate green-light!” and didn’t work out any slashing plays for him. So, he’s a black hole with the ball.
Alternatively, if Brown improves, AND Redd plays well, I could see Dudz backing up Hill to keep him playing good minutes with Redd being backed up by Brown.
Or… we could use brown in defensive line ups and Redd for scoring line ups. But, again, it all depends on how the 2 play. I just don’t have a lot of faith in Brown yet. Even after last night’s ok 4th quarter.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Jan 11, 2012 7:52 PM MST via mobile reply actions
It is talent first
Coaching second. Brown can’t do what has been asked well, and if the coaches ask him to, that magnifies his weaknesses.
I'm about ready to see Brown compete with Childress on the bench.
Despite his good fourth quarter against the Lakers, he seems like a selfish player, and there’s no place for that in the Suns’ offense. If he wants to run the ISO-Shannon, he should have signed with the Hawks.
borderline adequate
yet another stone around Nash’s neck
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jan 11, 2012 8:05 PM MST via Android app reply actions
side note from kobe
“I don’t like them, I don’t like them, it is plain and simple,” Bryant said. “I do not like them, they used to whoop us pretty good and used to let us know about it, and I will not forget that.”
I just wanted to throw this in the pot to watch it boil.
they never got past us in the playoffs when raja bell was in the team
Just like we never got past the spurs when we didn’t have dragic.
Phoenix Suns and Steve Nash. That is all.
by PhoenixSons on Jan 11, 2012 9:45 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
cool story Kobe
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
lolwut?
Back up shooting guard Shannon Brown is coming off a strong performance
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by noonoo on Jan 11, 2012 8:33 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah I laughed at that.
They didn’t add the 200 turnovers and the 0-100 shooting in the first 3 quarters.
I rock so get used to it.
by Colton Dodson on Jan 11, 2012 8:52 PM MST up reply actions
If we can scrutinize LeBron for scoring 30 in the first 3 quarters and not attempting a single shot in the 4th..
We might as well praise Brown for his 4th quarter performance even though he pretty blew in the first 3 quarters.
As long as we have Steve, I still believe!
Really,
who is this “SB Nation NBA News” guy anyway?
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What if Redd's minutes at the 2
Pushed Shannon Brown to the point guard position…crazy comment of the night but he just isn’t living up to anything and i have a feeling he has something to bring. Leandroesque perhaps. Why not at least try it, maybe that is his niche, just maybe. I think Brown and Morris are the key to this season, Michael Redd will do nothing for us. Snowbird will eat snowcrow if he does anything for us. I wish i could be happy about this.
"He's very cerebral when he plays out there"--Hubie
by Snowbird on Jan 11, 2012 8:44 PM MST via iPhone app reply actions
playing PG requires BB I.Q. which Brown severely lacks
Women were the reason I became a monk - and, ah, the reason I switched back... -Morte, Planescape Torment
as well as the ability to pass to a teammate once it's in his hands...
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
redds min IMO
I think redd if he produce will have a trickle down effect on several guys mins I think price could lose a few to brown @ the 1,brown and jd will lose mins to redd @ the 2 and eventualy hak loses mins @ the 3 to jd3-thats my trickle down therory.
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by stevedavis_ on Jan 12, 2012 10:07 AM MST up reply actions
I agree.
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
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That hasn't stopped Price.
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now that redd is going to be playing, let's ship brown off to another team
like, one in siberia.
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
I suggested this last night.
But some said Siberia is too good for him.
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Send hi to North Korea...
They have a very low recidivism rate…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
I love seeing the comments on this site about Brown.
Everyone is so freakin sad! Relax people. Brown’s performance wasn’t great in terms of his shooting but he played pretty good defense most of the game and when his shot DID come it was really nice to have on the court.
Redd will be fine. It will take a little while for him to adjust but I think he will do well. I wouldn’t be surprised if he and Hill and Nash are both around next year for another run. I think the FO has done a fantastic job this season with their acquisitions. The bottom line is this: we don’t have a solid back-court. We need bodies. Now we have them: 3 SGs and 3 PGs. They all have varying levels of talent, hustle, and potential. But the beauty of it is???? THEY ARE ALL ON ONE YEAR CONTRACTS. Unlike our contract with Hedo and Childress, if things don’t work out we aren’t saddled with years of debt. If Price or Telfair don’t do well – see you later. But imagine, just imagine, if Redd works out…becomes our JR Smith (except way better), our Jamal Crawford. Or if Brown’s consistency issues dissipate and he becomes our Jason Terry or Wesley Matthews? With a decent run in the season, some growth for the players, and some success in the playoffs the Suns could offer these guys good contracts and attract a big name FA.
And the beautiful part? If/When they don’t work out? We never have to see them in a Suns jersey again.
Now shut the hell up about the play of a few guys who have only been in a uniform for 20 days.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
"All they’re fighting for is to stay as obscenely rich as they are now, based on their ability to bounce a ball and throw it in a hole." East Bay Ray, October 10, 2011
"the players and owners are squabbling over how to divide the pie that WE BAKE FOR THEM." East Bay Ray, October 31, 2011
by N8lol on Jan 11, 2012 10:51 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Brown is terrible on offence
But a good, solid defender. If he just passed and ran cuts, he’d be really, really good.
Now shut the hell up about the play of a few guys who have only been in a uniform for 20 days.
thank you
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by Alex Laugan on Jan 12, 2012 7:15 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Remember when everyone hated Jason Richardson before they loved him?
Funny how things go
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 12, 2012 8:39 AM MST up reply actions
it took him till his second season to get BSotS love…
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Alex
Im learning not to get riled up @ some haters,I think alot of them are young and just look at numbers,I dont get the brown hate or the hak hate either.
skitsophrenics are never alone-Just ask scott howard
by stevedavis_ on Jan 12, 2012 10:10 AM MST up reply actions
This
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
"All they’re fighting for is to stay as obscenely rich as they are now, based on their ability to bounce a ball and throw it in a hole." East Bay Ray, October 10, 2011
"the players and owners are squabbling over how to divide the pie that WE BAKE FOR THEM." East Bay Ray, October 31, 2011
Can't compare Brown to J-Rich because J-Rich was actually good
He just wasn’t playing to his potential and that ticked us off. Even then, he was still a good player when we hated him. He was like the 04-05 Q-Rich without the rebounding. That’s a good role player, but with the money J-Rich was making and his past success, much more was expected from him and he didn’t give us what we expected until 2010.
Brown on the other hand is bad. Of course, we all had hope that he’d thrive here because of the whole “Nash makes players better” thing, but even if Nash does make Brown a little better, he’s still bad.
I feel like I am at a dinner table and the meal in front of me is unhealthy and gross, yet my Mom is saying, “give it more time, maybe you’ll like it.” You see, it just doesn’t make sense. People only say, “Give it more time” when the food is actually good. For example, J-Rich is like Mustard to me. Mustard has to taste good if a lot of people like it. I hated Mustard, but with time my taste buds changed a little and I found that I liked it with sandwiches. Brown is like crap, I’m not going to like that stuff no matter what you do to it.
Don't trade Dudley!
Now, Warrick was crap last season because he wasn't playing to his potential and he was getting abused
This year it’s the opposite. He’s knocking down shots like he should have last season and he’s playing a different position, so he’s not getting abused.
Who knows, maybe a miracle could happen and Brown could go from crap to fertilizer like Warrick. That’s hard to get excited for though. We have him for only one year, so there may not be enough time for that to even happen. Plus, he’s trigger happy like Pietrus. Players like those are always hard to deal with.
Sorry for the stupid analogies…
Don't trade Dudley!
Sorry for the stupid analogies…
I would have went with “crappy analogies.”
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I agree that we all need to give the new acquisitions some time
to see how everything evolves.
Which is why I’m also not ready to characterize the job of the FO as fantastic at this juncture.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 12, 2012 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
Hey,
I got a warning when I told someone told me to shut up. I demand a warning be issued.
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I discussed Brown's performance with a friend...
and he said its likely to be a “Lakers syndrome”. He noticed lakers players usually are indecisive when catching the ball at wing position. Don’t know how true that is but we really need time for brown to catch up what it means by a good shot, which i believe most of us (even fans) can recognize intuitively.
I do remember the JRich case… he was exactly like Brown during the first year. Let’s hope Brown also develops like him.
I'm interested to see what he can bring to this team.
Won’t be able to watch tomorrow or Friday’s game, though, so I’m going to have to wait until Sunday to see him play.
At this point, I don’t think he can harm the team.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 11, 2012 10:52 PM MST via Android app reply actions
That's a ringing endorsement if I've ever heard one.
At this point, I don’t think he can harm the team.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 AM MST up reply actions
Not sure where to post this..
And I could be the only one interested in this, but I think we should have weekly Open Game Threads for NBA games not including the Phoenix Suns.
I can’t be the only BSer watching this Heat vs Clipper game. I have semi-witty comments to post and I don’t know where to go. Help me out!
BAMF goes HAM.
its been tried before, even during the playoffs when attention on non-Suns NBA is really high… and failed miserably. Very low usage, despite clamoring and promises to the contrary.
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I definitely agree it's not worthwhile...
That’s what game threads are for on the respective sites.. I like it the way it is…It if has to be one, Maybe one of you BSOTS ruler types could place an “open thread” over on the right side and hang it there indefinitely…That way people could talk about other games, how their dog got pregnant by the neighbor’s cat, their preferred method of butt-scratching, their toe jam issues, and whatever other stuff people come up with…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Acme Packing Company had a very successful stretch of Off-Topic posts.
Rec ’em to keep them around and let people go crazy.
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Good idea
Sun God, you’re assigned the butt-scratching topic.
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by East Bay Ray on Jan 12, 2012 3:20 PM MST up reply actions
My pleasure to start it out right....
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
there are game threads on other SB Nation sites for other teams
this is part of what being a “good ambassador” is for the Suns…..don;t be afraid to join other blogs as well and comment over there.
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Another board would feel like treason to me!However I can understand others wanting to take part in socializing with other happenings.
skitsophrenics are never alone-Just ask scott howard
by stevedavis_ on Jan 12, 2012 10:13 AM MST up reply actions
I don't think many of my witty comments would be welcomed on other boards
Especially with the way Miami finished the 4th.
BAMF goes HAM.
Plus, I can't imagine that the members of other sites
are anywhere near as awesome as the collection on BSOTS.
I’m with you b13, my rapier wit has often been mistaken as arrogant, condescending, lugubrious, and sardonic. Weird, huh?
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 12, 2012 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
It's a good thing this isn't a video forum
We’d probably be called conceited and vain.
BAMF goes HAM.
Then you could call them redundant.
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We definitely need someone to repair the damage 2N does to us on a daily basis.
I get around a bit, but can’t chase that guy everywhere.
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Redd will be a great fit for us.
He will be our only SG that can shoot. We get better if Dudley becomes our back up SF.
The Suns Front office gave up on Dragic i don’t know why they haven’t moved Lopez as well. Maybe they can’t get anything for him? Our front line is crowded, not a bad thing but we need a SG that can score.
Without a superstar we need a balanced line up and we lack shooters at the moment. Redd should help in that area.
My name is not Frye....
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Why is everyone down on Dudley?
He’s been solid without his shot really falling. 28.1% 3FGs will improve, and when it does, he’ll be a plus player again.
And Hak – don;’ forget Hak. Backup 3 hasn’t been our issue, as Hak has been really solid, without having a single guard who can get him the ball. If we can get Hak the ball more in the post, the 2nd unit will look a LOT better.
i agree with this completely
hak has been our most underrated player so far this year
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by u_must_chill on Jan 12, 2012 6:15 AM MST up reply actions
This has been slipping of late.
His playing time has been limited and what’s left of it has been less effective. I think he is suffering in part because he is not being given the ball in a position to succeed. Warrick is the type of player who is most effective when coupled with a good distributor (more so than some others). The Suns don’t seem to be capitalizing off his strengths as much as they could be.
Last 5 games:
8.2 ppg 2.8 rpg 42.9% fg 17.6 mpg
Not awful, but I’m not sure how much that type of contribution can be underrated…. He’s played better this year, but his potential is not currently being maximized.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 12, 2012 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
Redd is a low-risk play at this point
and there’s no need to rush him onto the court. The Suns are doing the right thing by making him get into game shape before he sets foot on the court. I can only imagine the wonderful things the Suns’ training staff is doing to get him into top form. Will be very interested to see him in a Suns uni!
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I think Brown could be huge for us if he stick to what he needs to do
Rebound and Slash, so having Redd is going to make it harder for Brown to realize that, Redd should not play yet, let him be 100 % heal and put him in a 3 point shooting clinic, do not play him so early, it would only result on an another injury…
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by Lino Canaan on Jan 12, 2012 10:05 AM MST via mobile reply actions
So many new faces
This on top of a new defensive coach. Lots of changes even before Redd’s arrival. Let’s hope he improves our offensive efficiency. We need to determine and stay with effective rotations so the guys develop confidence and consistency (i.e. shorten the bench). I hoped Brown would be more effective on offense and agree with those who question the coaches usage of him. We just got rid of Pietrus. We don’t need another mad bomber.
W, please. I could sure use a happy diversion.
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