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Michael Redd Could Start For Phoenix Suns; Grant Hill's Minutes To Drop

The Phoenix Suns and their fans will get a first look at shooting guard Michael Redd on Thursday night when the Suns host the Cleveland Cavaliers (game preview). Redd will likely play early in the game and according to head coach Alvin Gentry, could eventually start for the Suns.

"We'll stick him in and see what's going to happen. Obviously it's going to be something that he builds up. He's not going to come in and play 25-30 minutes tonight," Gentry said. "There's always a place if you can create your own shot on a team."

There's been speculation and some assumption that Redd's minutes would come at the expense of shooting guard Shannon Brown. Gentry said, however, that it's veteran Grant Hill who will have his minutes cut.

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"To me, Grant Hill is playing too many minutes," Gentry said. "We've got to try to find some relief for him in some way. I think it does take away from his offensive game when he has to work so hard defensively and he's out there for 34 minutes."

Hill is averaging 27 minutes per game but played 33 against the Lakers on Tuesday.


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by Alex Laugan on Jan 12, 2012 12:23 PM MST reply actions  

It looks more pro on my end.

11:12 AM on 1/12/12.

As long as we have Steve, I still believe!

by NashMV3 on Jan 12, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Lessee SB Nation NBA News...? New User....? Odds who it is...

Keify in desguise? Euty..?

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 12, 2012 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

It's probably the escape goat.

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by East Bay Ray on Jan 12, 2012 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

or maybe Brian34 on sedatives...

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 12, 2012 1:07 PM MST up reply actions  

or PanamaSun? resurrected?

Crashing the [message] boards from the swamps of Louisiana, and blogging Phoenix Suns!

by PHXgp on Jan 12, 2012 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure it's Brian Scalabrine

He can do it all.

Jealous.

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
I'm a Call of Duty Phenom, peep my YouTube.

by Eutychus on Jan 12, 2012 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

It's Tim Tebow

He is everywhere and is everything

by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 12, 2012 2:48 PM MST up reply actions  

It was definitely Brian34

No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.

by Scott Howard on Jan 12, 2012 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

If you guys can't find out who it is

I’ll just take the credit.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Jan 12, 2012 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

it's the mystery of the day.

It’s too perfect to be a coincidence……I think this may just be the tip of the iceberg……this one goes all the way to the top

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by PHXgp on Jan 12, 2012 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

whoa…that is awesome timing!

Raising Arizona Sports at SB Nation Arizona twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Jan 12, 2012 1:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Seth, when you gonna let us in on this...

You know we ain’t got no patience for anything…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 12, 2012 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

is it really that hard to figure out?

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by Seth Pollack on Jan 12, 2012 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm beginning to suspect it's Casey Anthony....

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by Daryl Ray on Jan 12, 2012 5:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Depth

With Redd finally able to began working his way back up this added depth can only be an added bonus. It’s not the logjam we had last year in any means. I believe the 1st and 2nd unit lineups could be changed around some. Frye and JD should move back to the bench (still play 27-28+ a night) and have Keef start at the 4. If Redd comes back and can be a 30 minute guy again with time then being able to have dudz and Frye on the 2nd unit would add a little more scoring punch to the bench. A lot depends on what Redd is able to do with more minutes. A Nash, Redd, Hill, Morris, and Gortat starting lineup would be very respectable. Then follow up the 2nd unit with Price, Brown, Dudz, Frye, and Rolo. Of course a lot would depend on the specific match ups. In a nut shell all I’m saying is that we are a very deep team and the resurgence of Redd could pay dividends for us.

by NashtyNash on Jan 12, 2012 12:31 PM MST reply actions  

Exactly

I agree that’s why I said things like “working his way back up” and “in time”, It’s all a wait and see. Either way Redd is a very low risk high reward opportunity. We are talking about a guy that has been a 20+ ppg guy most of his career. I don’t see him returning to that caliber but if this magical training staff can do to him what they have done to others (Hill, Shaq, and even Nash) then he may play better than a lot expect.

by NashtyNash on Jan 12, 2012 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I preferA

Price and Redd tandem, and a Dudley and Nash tandem – better offence and defense mix.

by MMotherwell on Jan 12, 2012 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

minutes per game

No doubt this year will be about managing minutes played. This shuold be obvious torwards the end of the season. I was glancing at some teams not much deeper than 4-5 guys (Clippers & NY), where their starters are ageraging 35 – 37 minutes a game, already. No way they can keep this up. Looks like all the ‘role players’ for the Suns has some advantage.

by rdgroce on Jan 12, 2012 12:57 PM MST reply actions  

I have to see it to believe it.

“it” being that he can still hit a shot, run up and down the floor for 25 minutes, and not be a huge liability defensively.

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by PHXgp on Jan 12, 2012 1:06 PM MST reply actions  

Yeah, if Redd will mostly be taking Grant's minutes

We can probably expect to be better offensively and worse defensively. I’m gonna assume that Redd still can shoot. He’s one of those guys who will still be a good shooter at age 80.

Not sure how we come out ahead in the deal except that Grant will have fresher legs when he plays.

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by East Bay Ray on Jan 12, 2012 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

exactly

Better to have Redd’s offence to keep us in games, and Grant’s fresh leggs to close out games. Who do you think comes out ahead, young BAMF on young Kobe?

by rdgroce on Jan 12, 2012 1:19 PM MST up reply actions  

No. Grant Hill was probably close to Kobe when he was early in the league.

A truly great player that a lot of peopler have forgotten just how good he was.

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 12, 2012 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I would say I've forgotten

But I was barely alive when he entered the league.

by lixuec on Jan 12, 2012 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

laker game

I didn’t catch all of it but didn’t Hill contain Kobe early, while he was fresh?

by rdgroce on Jan 12, 2012 1:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Well yes, but I was talking about Hill as a young'un.

Too young to have seen him play during that period.

by lixuec on Jan 12, 2012 1:59 PM MST up reply actions  

You missed a great one...

Grant Hill averaged nearly 22ppg, 9rpg and over 7apg with Detroit whil playing PG…That’s right PG….!

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 12, 2012 2:05 PM MST up reply actions  

As a PG??

Was this the era when playing a big PG was popular?

by lixuec on Jan 12, 2012 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Well he didn't play PG solely...

But a couple seasons he was Detroit’s primary PG.

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 12, 2012 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

No, he got killed

Kobe had 17 in the first quarter. Mostly jumpers.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 12, 2012 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Barely alive

Life support?..coma?

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Jan 12, 2012 2:21 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

lol just funnin

i was still in the womb myself

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Jan 12, 2012 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

yes

both with skills now but with equal fresh leggs.

by rdgroce on Jan 12, 2012 1:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Young BAMF was LeBron with a clutch gene and class.

And a post game.

As long as we have Steve, I still believe!

by NashMV3 on Jan 12, 2012 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Young, in his prime BAMF was not nearly as good as LeBron.

And I’m all for hyperbole. Grant couldn’t even get the Pistons out of the first round while LeBron dragged whomever the fuck was on the 2007 Cavs to the Finals.

No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.

by Scott Howard on Jan 12, 2012 2:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Wasn't the East pretty stacked when BAMF came into the league?

LeBron’s primary competition in the East was the Heat and the Pistons.

As long as we have Steve, I still believe!

by NashMV3 on Jan 12, 2012 2:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Gotta agree...

The year Lebron got to the Finals, was a very weak Eastern conference and the Eastern conference was loaded….Grant Hills pistons had to deal with the Bulls, New York, a still vibrant Detroit team, and a up and coming Indiana team in addition to a solid Heat squad..

While Grant wasn’t as good as Lebron (I’ve been watching basketball for 35+ years now and I’ve never seen anything like Lebron…) He was once an elite player. Definitely top five during his time.

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 12, 2012 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Meant to say "Western Conference was loaded..."

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 12, 2012 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes

The East then had the Bulls, Knicks, Heat, Magic, Hornets and Pacers. The Pistons weren’t good enough to upset any of those teams.

Lebron only had to go up against one good team to get to the finals and that was the Pistons and he still managed to upset them. Grant Hill was a very good player then, but I’m with Scott on this one. Lebron was better, however I’d still take a Prime Hill over him because of his personality.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Jan 12, 2012 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think the NBA has ever seen a physical specimen like LeBron before

Hill was/is an amazing athlete, but LeBron is a true freak of nature.

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by East Bay Ray on Jan 12, 2012 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

If LBJ had MJ's or Kobe's killer Instinct (and narcissim....)

Geez Louise….

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 12, 2012 2:40 PM MST up reply actions  

It'd be over. Like all over.

No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.

by Scott Howard on Jan 12, 2012 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

His team would win the championship every year

It would be no fun because there would be no suspense at all.

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by East Bay Ray on Jan 12, 2012 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Just the mere thought of this deserves a...

“We’re BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONED!!!”

As long as we have Steve, I still believe!

by NashMV3 on Jan 12, 2012 2:42 PM MST up reply actions  

You know what would be awesome?

A Prime Nash and Hill on the same team. That’d be a better fit than Nash and Dirk or Nash and Amar’e because at least one of the superstars can play defense.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Jan 12, 2012 2:42 PM MST up reply actions  

If we're talking Suns players in their primes...

our roster in 2008-2009 would’ve eaten teams alive.

PG – Steve Nash
SG – Jason Richardson
SF – Grant Hill
PF – Amare Stoudemire
C – Shaquille O’Neal.

As long as we have Steve, I still believe!

by NashMV3 on Jan 12, 2012 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

That's just our starting unit.

As long as we have Steve, I still believe!

by NashMV3 on Jan 12, 2012 2:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I dunno about the rest, but Shaq sure would have...

dude has a serious appetite…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 12, 2012 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Barkley lost all that weight

And Shaq found it.

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by East Bay Ray on Jan 12, 2012 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

A team usually can only have like 2-3 superstars though

So if you could only pick three of them who would they be?

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Jan 12, 2012 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

nash amare and hill

only 4 true HOF guys on there and of those 4 shaq is the only one who cant run and gun. the other three in their primes who run around this eras miami heat. were nash 150 pt games with nash avg. 20+ assist games

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Jan 12, 2012 2:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Truth.

No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.

by Scott Howard on Jan 12, 2012 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

But its sooo much funner

Although he could run better in his prime I guess

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Jan 12, 2012 5:34 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

I'd go with

06-07 Steve Nash
96-97 Grant Hill
94-95 Shaq

That Shaq was fit enough to run.

Not sure who I would have coaching them though.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Jan 12, 2012 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Dantoni

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Jan 12, 2012 5:34 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Yeah, I’d still take Shaq. In his prime, Shaq just destroyed guys. And even though he took a beating, he still got a ton of foul calls to go his way.

Not like old Shaq. That guy picked up all kinds of fouls.

by Chris_Coffel on Jan 12, 2012 4:24 PM MST up reply actions  

The closest I've ever seen to LBJ...

Was maybe George McGinness…Like a hobo version of Lebron…Excellent player in his time but still not really close at all..

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 12, 2012 2:42 PM MST up reply actions  

People hate LeBron so much that they lose sight of how incredibly good at basketball he is.

Dude has Top 5 of all-time talent.

Grant’s Detroit Years:
- 28-54 (95)
- 46-36 (first round sweep by Orlando)
- 54-28 (lost in 1st round to Atlanta led by Laettner and Steve Smith)
- 37-45
- 29-21 (lost in 1st round to Atlanta).
- 42-40 (swept in 1st round by Miami).

Grant had great, great talent. Top 10 player in his prime (as evidenced by the 4 All-NBA 2nd team selections) but no LeBron.

No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.

by Scott Howard on Jan 12, 2012 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah

Lebron only made the finals because the East sucked, however he still managed to get the cavs past one good team where as Hill didn’t.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Jan 12, 2012 2:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I can't deny that LeBron's damn good at basketball.

But it can be pretty ugly to watch… His moves just don’t look as smooth as Wade’s or Kobe’s.

As long as we have Steve, I still believe!

by NashMV3 on Jan 12, 2012 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

His raw power is what impresses me most.

His combination of speed/strength is flat out freakish.

No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.

by Scott Howard on Jan 12, 2012 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Which is why if he had that killer instinct he's lacking,

he’d have “not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7…”

You can fill in the blanks.

As long as we have Steve, I still believe!

by NashMV3 on Jan 12, 2012 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

When did we become the LJ admiration society???

I feel like I just tuned to ESPN… :(
I still prefer the jerk Kobe over Lebron.

Soo, it turns out I was right!!! Kinda disappointed now..

by Aztiramtempe on Jan 12, 2012 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm probably the biggest LeBron hater out there.

But I will respect his talents and skills. If he had Kobe’s intensity and killer instinct, no team would stand a chance. I’d take Wade over LeBron right now simply because Wade has the heart of a champion. He’ll hit big shots and he has a killer instinct.

As long as we have Steve, I still believe!

by NashMV3 on Jan 12, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Not me

LeBron carried the Cavs to the finals whereas Wade only got there with Shaq. I like Wade better to close a game and to lead a team but LeBron is the one I would take.

I definitely agree if LeBron had loads of intensity like a Kobe Bryant he would be too much for anyone to handle.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Jan 12, 2012 3:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Lebron is 27

And played one year with any talent at all.

He’ll win at least 2 or three championships before he is done. AT LEAST.

by MMotherwell on Jan 12, 2012 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree.

But just think of the possibilities if he had elite basketball talent or a little bit of equanimity to go with his freakish size and athleticism….

If you think about it, there are a sh** ton of players in the league with more natural basketball ability than Lebron, they just lack his physical abilities.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Jan 12, 2012 4:27 PM MST up reply actions  

I think he will...

…but that’s only a guarantee now that he plays with Wade. On his own, I don’t know. He just seems to lack the drive and desire to finish and do whatever is needed to win.

It’s like he’ll take you to the dance, but stand against the wall.

by Chris_Coffel on Jan 12, 2012 4:29 PM MST up reply actions  

No one wins alone

Jordan had Pippen and Rodman, Kobe won nothing without Shaq and Gasol.

by MMotherwell on Jan 12, 2012 5:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, Lebron is far and away better.

With that said, you could make an argument that young Hill would be top five talent today. I’d say Lebron, Kobe, Durant and Wade are all better. But who else? Certainly not Melo.

by Chris_Coffel on Jan 12, 2012 4:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually, Hill had close numbers to LeBron in the

95-96 season and the 96-97 season
Grant was three assists and 1 rebound away from averaging a triple double

"Nash is 25 and Hill is 27. It doesn't matter what it says in their birth certificates. Lies, all lies."-Scott Howard Cooper, NBA.com

by NASHTY777 on Jan 12, 2012 6:28 PM MST up reply actions  

True

But we look really lost without someone who can create their own offense down the stretch of the games. Is Redd going to really make the difference? He won’t be able to contribute from the bench in crunch time.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Jan 12, 2012 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Same

I have zero expectations. I don’t think he will solve anything but we will see how it goes. Hopefully we find some lightning in a bottle with this.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Jan 12, 2012 2:09 PM MST up reply actions  

NBA reveal first results of the 2012 NBA All-Star Balloting.
Steve is 4th in guards, Marcin is 5th in centers

Guards:
Kobe Bryant (LAL) 690,613;
Chris Paul (LAC) 540,173;
Ricky Rubio (Min) 133,520;
Steve Nash (Pho) 118,922;
Russell Westbrook (OKC) 107,197;
Kyle Lowry (Hou) 90,725;
Monta Ellis (GS) 63,696;
Manu Ginobili (SA) 50,765;
Jason Kidd (Dal) 49,596;
Chauncey Billups (LAC) 42,657.

Centers: Andrew Bynum (LAL) 496,597;
DeAndre Jordan (LAC) 134,961;
Marc Gasol (Mem) 102,116;
NenĂŞ (Den) 94,167;
Marcin Gortat (Pho) 62,631;
Kendrick Perkins (OKC) 41,579.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/01/12/all-star-ballot-results1/index.html?cid=nba_12_facebook_L

by _tr on Jan 12, 2012 1:29 PM MST reply actions  

Bryant & Paul I see...

But Rubio…? SHEESH…Suns fans get on your J-O-B and start voting now….

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 12, 2012 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Can those outside of U.S. vote?

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by Spit_Fire on Jan 12, 2012 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Absolutely

That’s the only reason Yao Ming gets in on the years he’s injured.

by lixuec on Jan 12, 2012 1:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes.

This is how Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady keptgetting voted to the All-star team.

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 12, 2012 1:54 PM MST up reply actions  

When healthy, Kobe and T-Mac on the break was really fun to watch.

Before his injuries, T-Mac was also one of the top 3 players in the league. Remember his 13 points in 35 seconds performance in Houston? Pure epicness.

As long as we have Steve, I still believe!

by NashMV3 on Jan 12, 2012 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Something I will never forget

So ridiculous. He was an amazing player in his day.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Jan 12, 2012 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

ahhh

mcgrady was once my second favorite player. dude could flat-out score. probably would own kevin durant if he was in his prime

66-0 let's goooo

by 2time on Jan 12, 2012 6:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm surprised Yao isn't still leading the voting

as a write-in…

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Jan 12, 2012 4:28 PM MST up reply actions  

make some fanpost and hit up all suns affiliated websites!

if rubio gets voted ahead of nash i will never watch an allstar weekend again. not that i do anyway

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Jan 12, 2012 2:03 PM MST up reply actions  

How the hell did Nene got in?

Nene is playing PF this season and Marcin is and will always be the better center.

Women were the reason I became a monk - and, ah, the reason I switched back... -Morte, Planescape Torment

by Spit_Fire on Jan 12, 2012 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

rubio must be getting the spanish vote overseas right

and gortat should be 2nd or third

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Jan 12, 2012 2:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Do not underestimate

the popularity of a slick passing 21 year old Spaniard on the younger NBA fans. Early predictions already have Rubio as frontrunner for ROY which i find amusing. If you read rankings and reviews of the Twolves you would think they are in first place.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 12, 2012 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

good shit!

this is the first time I’ve actually been excited about the suns this season. have three vet leaders and an a deep team. just need to get that back up PG. (trade chilly, Price and ? for Luke Ridnour)

by miketheboss on Jan 12, 2012 1:32 PM MST reply actions  

should we write off Brooks?

at least get something in return, or is this to late also?

by rdgroce on Jan 12, 2012 1:40 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not sure

didn’t even know if he is coming back. if he is then i feel we should give him a shot just because we gave up so much for him. did he accept the qualifying offer?

by miketheboss on Jan 12, 2012 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

i think he chose to return knowing the possibily nash might be gone soon

the starting job could be his if nash decides to leave/retire/startplaying mls soccer

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Jan 12, 2012 2:30 PM MST up reply actions  

makes sense

do know how much and long of a contract he signed?

by miketheboss on Jan 12, 2012 2:32 PM MST up reply actions  

No he didn't sign the QO

but at the mid point in the season is anybody really going to offer him that much more? PG is one of the positions where you really need practice with the teammates. I think he’ll come back and finish the season with Suns to try and get that payday he thinks he deserves. Hopefully the China league humbles him a bit and gives him that boost of confidence that can increase production.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 12, 2012 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

true

did we only offer him a 1 year?

by miketheboss on Jan 12, 2012 2:42 PM MST up reply actions  

He has no out in China

He can’t return until around the deadline from memory, at the earliest.

According to this the last game of the Chinese CBA is February 15th, and then the playoffs start.

Brooks’ team is first, so he is definitely in the playoffs. I have no idea how the Chinese playoffs work, but last year 8 teams qualified, with 3 rounds: best of 5, 5 and then 7 in the final. So lets say that takes 6 weeks max, Brooks could be back between March 1st (if his team lose first round) and April 1st (if they make the finals).

All we’d need to pay him would be a prorated contract. If he is back March 1, we’d have 32 games remaining, and april 1st 16. So we’d pay between half and quarter of his yearly salary, meaning we give him $5mil, he only makes between $1.25 and $2.5 mil.

I think the “lose for nothing” theme is also little misguided. If Brooks leaves, we won’t have to overpay a player who was very bad for us last year. If we resign him and keep the RFA status, we can trade him in the off season, that is about the best oucome.

Side note: while researching this, I found this amazing gem: Gani Lawal claims Chinese CBA (player of the) weekly honour

The 23-year old forward had a double-double of 38 points and nineteen rebounds, while his team crushed Bayi Fubang (#14, 6-12) with 19-point margin 102-83.

So Gani is apparently Chinese for “MVP”.

by MMotherwell on Jan 12, 2012 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

hmmm a 6-9 guy out rebounding a bunch of chinese dudes

sounds about right to me

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Jan 12, 2012 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

so pretty much

we are going to get the same late season trade production from brooks again. and glad to hear Gani doin his thing. hope he makes his way back to the NBA

by miketheboss on Jan 12, 2012 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Or we don't sign him

Who knows? He is not going to be here long in any case.

by MMotherwell on Jan 12, 2012 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

If he hits his open shots

He will avg 16ppg alone. We create many open oppurtunties in our offense. Shots just dont go down from our wing corps. I think our bigs have shot better from mid/long-range this season that our wings and guards minus nash. Thats disturbing

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Jan 12, 2012 1:51 PM MST via Android app reply actions  

I'm betting his offense will mostly consist of coming off screens and double screens off the ball.

I feel like the game plan to get him involved will be similar to what we used to do with Dudley.

by lixuec on Jan 12, 2012 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

i hope not

we dont just need more than 3’s. id like to think of him more of a steve nash but instead of being pass first and creating for teammates, hes shoot first with his ability to hit from anywhere on the court. if hes as healthy as the reports than he can score with the best of them. big if though

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Jan 12, 2012 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Uh... doesn't Ray Allen just shoot from anywhere on the court?

He’s not strictly a 3-point shooter. He runs the floor and takes the shots he gets.

As long as we have Steve, I still believe!

by NashMV3 on Jan 12, 2012 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Steve Nash is one of the greatest playmaking PGs of all time and Ray Allen is one of the greatest shooters of all-time

Redd doesn’t compare to either of them, at all, but if I had to choose I’d say poor man’s Ray Allen at best.

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by East Bay Ray on Jan 12, 2012 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Even if Redd is just a role playing sharpshooter

it would be a huge boost for this team. The Suns can’t score in the paint and are relying on jump shots which is a huge problem when the best shooter is Nash.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 12, 2012 2:30 PM MST reply actions  

We can score in the paint

Both on PnRs and in teh post with Gortat , Hak (as a SF) and Morris posting up successfully so far.

We haven’t used the post nearly enough, especially Hak with the second unit, but all three have shown solid post moves and promise. We just need a guard who can get them the ball.

I think we’ll see more of the post if one of Brown or Price sits, as the offence will flow better, and hopefully Hak will be utilised, well, at all. Morris and Hak could give the second unit some solid points down low, if only we’d call their number.

by MMotherwell on Jan 12, 2012 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I have low expectations for Redd

In fact, I never liked his game. People make him out to be a great shooter, but i believe people think that about guys who score and don’t pay attention to their efficiency.

Redd is a career 45% shooter, 38% from 3, which made him a good shooter at best. he sits 107th in true shooting percentage, again, good, but great? My issue is that he has been an injury riddled player that now probably has no legs and less of an ability to create shots for himself, and more than likely his shooting will regress from his average rather than improve.

Dudley is a career 47% and 41% shooter, and athletically, he may be an improvement over Redd at this point, so why do we think he is going to start?

Again, I have very low expectations for him. BUT, if he takes away minutes from Shannon Brown, I am a happy guy.

by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 12, 2012 3:07 PM MST reply actions  

Dudley gets no love

He can’t hit a barn so far this year, and he’s still productive, especially on D where he works hard and plays fundamentally sound. When his 3 starts falling, he’ll be a plus player again.

Redd is VERY unlikely to unseat Dudley, although he may play a bit with him to rest Hill.

Also, what about Hak? He’s getting no love either, despite playing really well as a three. Give the man the rock!

by MMotherwell on Jan 12, 2012 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

does anyone know how to watch suns games without league pass if you don't live in arizona?

"Nash is 25 and Hill is 27. It doesn't matter what it says in their birth certificates. Lies, all lies."-Scott Howard Cooper, NBA.com

by NASHTY777 on Jan 12, 2012 6:16 PM MST reply actions  

Someone will post a feed eventually.

borderline adequate

by waxmonkey on Jan 12, 2012 7:10 PM MST up reply actions  

In the game thread, that is.

borderline adequate

by waxmonkey on Jan 12, 2012 7:10 PM MST up reply actions  

You had me at

“Redd’s minutes would come at the expense of shooting guard Shannon Brown”

by wedge1039 on Jan 12, 2012 6:37 PM MST reply actions  

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