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by NASHTY777 on Jan 15, 2012 11:50 AM MST
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PrintI have found a few great scorers that don't have very big names. These scorers are good players who could easily add what we lack. Offense. You guys add trades that you think would turn this team around and hopefully make the playoffs.
Andrea Bargnani is probably the biggest name on this list. He is the ninth best scorer in the league, averaging 22.3 points per game. He is a great big man shooter like Frye, and can easily add some offense as a starting PF or a backup center. My proposed trade is: Toronto gets Lopez, Chilly/Brown for Bargnani. I doubt that the Raptors would make this trade, because they love Bargnani, but if they do make it, they want a quality inside center who can rebound, and they want a decent scorer. I'm not sure if this will work because I use trade center for my trades and it's down right now.
Ryan Anderson is really hot right now, he's a great shooter and is a decent rebounder averaging about 7RPG. Orlando loves him, but they know that the chances of Dwight staying there are very slim. They are gonna need a good inside center, and a decent backup SF besides Q rich and Earl Clark. Orlando gets Frolo and Chilly + first rounder for Anderson. I'm not sure the salaries would work though. We could also try this exact same trade but for J-Rich and maybe throw in Brown instead of Chilly.
Greg Monroe is a great center and would work wonders for our backup center position. He is a good scorer and a great rebounder, two things we really need. Detroit needs a good scorer besides Ben Gordon and they would like Brown. Pistons get Brown + Frolo + First Rounder for Monroe.
Gerald Henderson is one of the most unknown scorers in the league. He's a decent scorer, scoring about 14 a game. He's not that great of a player, but would be a great backup 2 guard for us. I think that we could give the Bobcats Brown and Lopez and maybe a second rounder for Henderson and White. DJ white is a pretty good PF and I like him and I think he would be a strong player for us.
I'm sorry if some of these trades suck, Trade Machine is down and I usually compare salaries on that, and please don't hate on my trades. Leave thoughts and trades that you think might make our team better, and remember, VOTE FOR NASH AND GORTAT, THEY BOTH HAVE A CHANCE AT THE ALL STAR GAME!
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Really?
If Gerald Henderson is a pipe-dream, we are truly fucked.
by iwasneveryoung on Jan 15, 2012 11:44 PM MST up reply actions
We could get Gerald Henderson
The question is “why would we want him?”
We could probably get Bargnani if we traded Nash and our 1st for him. That would be a dumb trade for us.
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RIght,
I just want to oust the perpetual notion that for some reason it’s going to be absolutely impossible for the Suns to land any good players in the near future. We’re in poor shape for this season, yes, but we have the potential to be in great shape a year from today. We just have to have faith that our cap situation will lead to positive things. At this point, there’s no reason to believe otherwise. We SHOULD be able to land some solid players. We SHOULD NOT be dismissing this notion as a pipe-dream.
by iwasneveryoung on Jan 17, 2012 3:58 AM MST up reply actions
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No Trades!
1) dont give up draft picks 2) take on big contracts. suns don’t have the pieces to acquire an allstar via trade right now. best bet is to suck and get a good draft pick and keep salary room to sign stars (notice the extra “S”) in the FA. after we have an idea of whom we want to build around then strategically trade and acquire to suit the needs are our new found talent.
Let's just draft this Kendall Marshall guy
He’s not a speed demon and doesn’t get highlight reel dunks (hell, he doesn’t really even dunk). However he’s hyper-efficient running an offense, has a pretty good jumper, is fundamentally sound (unlike all those John Wall-esque jump outta the gym dudes), and is extremely agile and quick on his feet. But most importantly possesses simply elite passing ability. He has that CP3/Nash type of speed change ability where he goes from a jog to sprint in the span of a nanosecond leaving guys frozen in place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvZFyYefOMo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdRdkkw371M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhaTKn8oFg8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZt3GihjYQM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZt3GihjYQM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM7ahvh6SEs
He’s projected at 17, which is right up our alley.
I don’t have any doubts that he’ll end up another Ty Lawson or Mike Conley. Not in style of play, but simply a great talent passed over just because he’ll be seen as not big/athletic enough.
*meant Kyle Lowry not Conley
Conley was selected in the top 5, wasn’t he? Both played for the Grizz though.
17 is not up our alley, 17 implies we make the playoffs
more like 9-12.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
We are not good enough for 9-12
I see us more in the range 3-7, at least that’s what we should be aiming for. We should trade Hill to a team expected to draft around 14-18, for a draft pick even if we get no one back. Also trade Hak, Lopez and Brown for a pick or two along with a player either with potential or an expiring contract. We need to stockpile picks this year.
I’ll say our top-5 pick plus another one in the mid-late teens should put us in place to be much better.
2012-13 Roster
Nash – Price – 2nd rd pick (project)
FA – Redd
Top-5 pick – Dudley
Morris – other 1st rd pick
Gortat – Frye
This lineup should be able to get 3rd-6th seed, as long as we draft a star calibre player with our top pick, a post oriented, rebounding big with the other 1st rounder and sign an above average FA.
By using the amnesty clause on Chilly, signing a FA for less than 10/yr and resigning Nash for say 6-7mil a year, that leaves us with about 20 mil cap space to go after Harden the next summer, who knows maybe Love will play his final season with Minny and them test FA.
Bottom point, there is no point trying to contend this year, rest Nash for next year, develop Morris, play for the lottery, acquire more picks, and get a good FA this summer.
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by jatrex4suns on Jan 16, 2012 4:51 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I meant bottom line
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by jatrex4suns on Jan 16, 2012 4:56 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
This plan I like
Eff everything else
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by phxpurple on Jan 16, 2012 7:45 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I like Hill too much to trade him, he is like the veteran mentor along with Nash
Also I think Hak can be an important role player for us, sure he’s inconsistent, but I think he’s getting better every year, even at his age
"Nash is 25 and Hill is 27. It doesn't matter what it says in their birth certificates. Lies, all lies."-Scott Howard Cooper, NBA.com
I like Hill too but I don't see him playing beyond this season, and we can't do much this year
Unless of course we get an Iguodala with Chilly as trade. Even then, we’d still need youth and talent and this kind off deep draft class won’t come around every time.
Need to look into the future and placing all our hopes on the free agency will only lead to us spending stupidly. We need to get at least one more first round pick in the draft, then hope to steal one (or two) FA
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by jatrex4suns on Jan 16, 2012 8:54 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Like your suggestions
Suns need to traget drafting a strong PG or SG Free Agent next summer and signing a strong SF, PF and PG.
SF: If the Suns tank and can get a low pick – Harrison Barnes would be awesome if the Suns fall that far!!).
Suns trade Brooks, Hak, Lopez and Brown for couple round 1 picks and maybe a round 2 pick in 2012 to draft:
PG: Kendall Marshall (per draft express slated to be picked around 20).
PF: TBD
seeing the post about Kendall Masrshall from hubertdavisfor3
I say the Suns should look at drafting a solid SG.
My vote is for Kidd-Gilchrist
He does everything well and is a ferocious defender. He could still be around at 8-10 (though he is shooting up). He is close to Barnes offensively and is a better rebounder and defender than Barnes. Plus, he has the heart and motor that many of the hight draft picks lack. If you watch Kentucky games he carries that team not Anthony Davis.
Fan of the TEAM not a player.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jan 17, 2012 2:38 PM MST up reply actions
I am a diehard Tarheel and have watched every single marshall game of his career...
I love Kendall as a college PG. I believe he is simply the best pg in college and may be the best player in terms of basketball IQ <—— [I said BBall IQ]. I can’t say enough about how glad I am Larry Drew II [or Larry Poo as I call him] transferred.
However, I am also a basketball coach and cannot ignore my abilities to scout players. Kendall is a supreme passer. Yet he cannot shoot a lick, and that is being nice. Sure, there have been great passing guards that lack shooting skill [think Rondo or Andre Miller] who have enjoyed success in the NBA. However, Marshall is lacking a number of things that may, and I say may, hinder him.
First, you are overestimating his speed and quickness. He is actually fairly slow-footed and doesn’t possess the speed to blow by NBA defenders and get in the lane like he does in college. He uses his incredible ballhandling to create space for himself, but speed is not something he has.
Marshall also lacks an ability to finish in the lane. He has no elevation or lift, and in combination with the lack of speed, he is not a threat if he ever does get into the paint.
Also, as stated earlier, he cannot shoot. Can’t shoot 3’s, has no midrange, and can’t finish. He plays the most minutes on his team and averages less than 6 points per game. Now, I am not a big believer that he has to score a lot to be a great player, but I believe he needs to score more to be a threat so that players don’t sag off him and play him for the pass.
Finally, Kendall is a very poor defender in college. UNC plays very good team defense, and they cover up for Marshall’s inability to guard. However, in the NBA, Marshall will not be able to get on the floor because he is a liability on that end. We all hear the cries of how Nash doesn’t play D, but Nash is actually a decent defender against most players. Marshall wouldn’t be able to guard ANYONE in the NBA.
I also believe that Marshall knows all of this and I don’t think he enters the draft this year. I think he will stay one more year to develop his shot, up his scoring ability and work on his defense.
You compare him to Ty Lawson, but any UNC fan will laugh at that. Lawson might be the best PG to come out of NC [along with Phil Ford and Kenny Smith]. He is the fastest guy, end to end in the NBA. And, he can flat out shoot the ball.
Conley is also a speedster who can defend. Sure, his shooting leaves something to be desired, but he is/was a far superior shooter/scorer in college than Marshall.
I would compare Marshall to Ed Cota, who never made it in the NBA.
If you want a passing point guard who can also score, you draft Scott Machado, out of Iona. He averages 13 ppg and 10.4 assists on 40% 3 point shooting. He might be worth a gamble at 17-30 in the draft.
by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 16, 2012 8:40 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks for the insight
I’m not in favor of having anyone on our team that is comparable to Rondo… or Ed Cota.
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...Vince Carter likes cheese." -Walt Frazier
You're doing it.
Passing over a supreme talent over some fluky flaws.
The shots he takes are alright, he can shoot the open jumper, he rarely ever shoots and always looks for a pass. His lack of athleticism forces him to be creative when penetrating which is why he’s not scoring at a high clip. That is not his game however, and just like I do not expect Nash to slam it down between 2 opposing bigs, I won’t expect this kid to do the same. He will however drive and dish like it’s nobody’s business.
Never said he was fast, but how can you say he isn’t quick? He can change paces and directions very quickly and keep the dribble alive no matter what. He won’t run circles around anybody, but he will get past his man with relative ease.
A good defensive point guard is like a unicorn. There’s a Rondo once every 5 drafts, so spare me the “he can’t guard anyone” schtic. He will work well in the context of a team defense and that’s the type of defense you want to play to win (just look at the Mavs, Bulls) unless you’re lucky enough to have some of the best individual defenders in the league (like Miami or Orlando). Some coach you are.
I was comparing him to Lawson and Lowry because they are, and were, overlooked just like he is right now. They were deemed to have skills that would not translate in the NBA. Turns out they are way better than people gave them credit for and this kid is shaping up to be the same. What he lacks in athleticism he makes up in sheer skill. He might end up never scoring more than 10 points a game on average, but he’ll execute the offense perfectly.
Some of your points make me quetion your credibility
and certainly you are free to your opinion, but insulting me doesn’t help your cause.
“but he will get past his man with relative ease.”
You are completely overstating Marshall’s ability to break past his defenders. Did you watch the Florida State game?
Again, I have watched every single game he has played in college [more than once], and I love the kid and think he is a very good college point guard. Yet even now, his team tends to suffer offensively because he is both an unwilling and incapable shooter/scorer. T
Unless he develops his ability to get into the lane, develops a floater, can finish at the rim, and can consistently knock down a shot from the perimeter, his offensive abilities will be negated fairly easily in the NBA. Without playing at a VERY high level offensively, his defensive shortcomings will force coaches to use him only as a backup in the NBA.
Your argument about no point guards being able to defend is an overstatement as well. If you ranked all of the point guards in the NBA, Kendall Marshall would be at the bottom defensively. Team defense or not, if you lack the ability to stay in front of your man, and are the reason for consistent breakdowns, you better bring something to the table offensively. Team defense doesn’t work if you can’t stay in front of your man and your 2 or 3 leave guys wide open to help you up top.
Your point about Lawson and Lowry are also misguided. Yes, there were questions about both coming into the NBA, but not about their ability to play at this level. What people questioned was whether you should pick them as high as some suggested, as they felt their ceiling not to be enough to warrant a top 5-10 pick. Both of those players are what most thought they would be. Lowry is a middling starter level PG, and Lawson is a sollid starter level PG who has a chance to get better and possibly be an all-star. Both have speed, strength and athleticism that Marshall doesn’t. Will Marshall play in the NBA? Probably. But with his current game, he is a career backup and not someone I would count on for rebuilding a team around.
There have been many examples. Brevin Knight comes to mind. He couldn’t shoot either, was a supreme passer, and had a solid career as a backup PG. Yet Knight was quick and could finish in the lane. Another guy is Jared Jordan. He led the NCAA in assists two years in a row while averaging almost 18 a game. He actually could shoot, and looked like a Steve Nash clone. But that was college. In the NBA, he can’t get it done because he cannot guard, and the speed to break down defenders and athleticism to finish in the lane are much different at this level. He is currently in Germany.
Above all, you argument is that the Suns need to draft Marshall and he would be some sort of heir apparent to Nash. My point, as much as I love Kendall, is that may be an answer for backup PG, but I wouldn’t use my pick [Suns will have a high pick] on him.
If Marshall develops his game, I will reconsider my opinion, but until then, he is not worth wasting a top 15 pick on. Second round, yes. Late first, possibly.
by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 16, 2012 8:03 PM MST up reply actions
The fact that you can't put an s in question makes me "quetion" your "quetioning"
Lowry the “middling starter” is averaging close to a triple double and is pulling a lot more out of much crappier players than Nash is at the moment.
Lawson is slowly and surely becoming the top banana for Denver, or have you missed him making Lebron dance the salsa?
You seem to watch a ton of college games, and not enough NBA it seems. Half the NBA point guards don’t have a floater, or a reliable shot, hell, most of them can’t even pass that well. What Marshall has and most guards lack, is the awareness of his game. He knows his limitations and plays to his strengths. On the other hand, guys like Jennings think they’re Kevin Johnson and try to attack the rim to no avail. I’ll take the guy that can pass it and run the offense over Starbury, thank you.
Have to agree with miketheboss and rzyn, drafting wisely is the answer.
Any of the trades mentioned above are a possibility in this shortened season, but still unlikely to happen.
Lopez is playing very inconsistent and unfocused right now and i can’t see anyone taking a chance on him until he shows some focus and consistency.
If we we were able to steal away one of those guys mentioned above nashty777, it would be highway robbery. We don’t really have any bargaining chips right now so it would be wise for us to play out the season, see if we can make the playoffs and if we can’t then at least we’ll be rewarded with a lottery pick.
We can come away with so much more if we keep the majority of our cap space and our first round pick.
If we panick and give the pick away we may end up with nothing (like the houston trade because brooks is in china now) or a player we’ll want to get rid of later on because he doesn’t fit our system, Also agree with rzyn about trying to draft kendall marshall.
Sure there are higher rated and more athletically gifted pointguard prospects in the 2012 draft(teague,rivers and kabongo) but he’d definitely fit our system in a very “nash-like” way with his incredible playmaking skills. He could shock everybody and win rookie of the year just by his ability to make his teammates drastically better.
I like all the pointguard prospects in this upcoming draft for different reasons(one scout on MyNBADraft.Com said teague reminds him of a modern-day kevin johnson) but there’s no denying the affect a playmaker like ricky rubio has had on the timberwolves this season.There’s also no reason to think that marshall can’t have that same effect on whatever team drafts him.
Another guy to keep an eye on is washington’s terrence ross. He reminds me of eddie jones with his build,athleticism and shooting stroke(he does need to improve his defense). If we were to draft him, he could potentially be a twenty point,six rebound performer in his rookie year.
He’s a very special talent. In fact, i don’t see any reason why we couldn’t come up with a trade to secure another first round pick high enough in the draft to add both marshall and ross. That would really improve our backcourt’s talent level in a major way.
No more halfway guys!
No more good shooters but poor athleticism. No more great athleta but bad shooting or bball iq. I want complete players. I want ballers. I want assholes with attitude. (kobe pistons spurs celtics all assholes all got rings) stop getting these nice guys. I want tough mofos like morris. He and gortat are our future. dudz and frye.
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by phxpurple on Jan 16, 2012 7:52 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I think that Brown/Lopez would be able to get us a pick and a decent player or an expiring contract
"Nash is 25 and Hill is 27. It doesn't matter what it says in their birth certificates. Lies, all lies."-Scott Howard Cooper, NBA.com
Agree with Brown/Lopez, BUT
Your logic above doesn’t make a whole lot of sense (and no disrespect, I love a good rosterbation). You’re saying that Bargnani is only worth Rolo/Brown but Monroe is worth Rolo/Brown+1st round pick?? most likely not. Plus any trade CANNOT include our picks. You are talking about a most likely top 5 pick. And it looks like we don’t have a second rounder so to completely miss out one one of the deepest drafts in recent history is a very poor plan for a rebuilding team. No, we need to be looking for trades that bring us back draft picks.
How about a trade for...
Ben Gordon? Does Detroit the favour of undoing one of their mistakes and opens up minutes for Knight and Stuckey in the same backcourt. Addresses Phoenix’s needs for shooting and ‘go-to’ scoring.
Would probably take a 3rd (even 4th) team to make the numbers work, since I doubt the Pistons will want to take back Childress or Frye, they already have a million (cheaper) 3s and 4s.
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That Nash/Gordon backcourt is going to really suck on defense
and Ben is waaaay overpaid. If we did that they would have to either take back a bad contract (Chilly) or give us a pick as compensation. I don’t see us taking on 3 years at $12M a year right now. We’re going to play the market.
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He's overpaid, yes
But you think teams are trading guys at or below market value? I know what you’re saying, and how our cap space is affected determines whether I’d do this trade or not. Is he worth $12m/yr? Probably not. I think he can come close, though. And are you sure it’s $12m per? I thought it was closer to $10m. Semantics there, though.
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PHX/ATL/DET/LAC 4 way -
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5990142
Making some adjustments to make it more appealing to the Clips.
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Agree, ESPN Trade Machine >>> RealGM Trade Checker
and don’t know how long they’ve had it, only saw it ‘cause I’ve been using RealGM a lot for my blog. Trade Machine was down when I wanted to check those, though.
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yikes, you must really like Ben Gordon
why do we want either of those guys?
Gordon is about the same as Shannon Brown, high volume shooter, low efficiency, no defense and is paid $29M too much.
Randy Foye? Why are we wasting our energy putting 3-4 team deals together for two below average players who won’t be in the league after their contracts are up?
Just trade lopez for a pick and be done.
by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 18, 2012 6:50 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think it's a case of irrational love for a guy.
I liked BG’s Chicago game and think he could do similar things as a Sun. I don’t see the Shannon Brown comparison at all. Gordon is at least a dangerous shooter whose percentages are a reflection of his volume of shots, not necessarily his shooting ability. Brown, on the other hand… and as far as the money goes, 2 years after this one left on the contract and PLENTY of cap room left over.
Randy Foye… put him in to make the numbers work, but he’s productive. Check out the alternative trade I posted below – gets us Mo Williams as a backup instead. Did a little write up of why each team would do the trade.
I’d rather address weaknesses with players who are a known quantity than take a chance on more than one rookie being able to fill those holes down the track. What pick would we get for Lopez? Lottery? Doubt it. What guys are we gonna get outside the lottery better than FroLo?
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Not following you...
Gordon is owed 25.6 M over the next two seasons [not including this one]. He is a marginally better shooter/scorer than Brown [43.5%/40.5% vs. 41.9%/33.5%]. He is also 3-4" shorter than Brown and equally as inept on the defensive end of the floor, however he is also undersized and would create matchup problems for us that Brown may not create. While he may be an improvement in bringing additional scoring, trading for him does not improve us enough to warrant strapping our cap space for the next two years, as I believe he would not produce dramatically better results than what we have with a guy that is on an expiring $3.5M deal [or with Redd for that matter].
Foye is equally not an improvement. His numbers have worsened since his best season in his third year [numbers that were inflated being on a bad MIN team]. Sure, he could put up average numbers on a bad Suns team, but again, how is he an improvement? doesn’t matter anyway because he is UFA after this year and I wouldn’t pay him more than the biannual [$1.8?] for a year if we signed him outright.
Williams is clearly on the down arc of his career as an undersized scoring guard playing point. He is owed $8.5M next year and I don’t see why we would commit $8.5 million to him if he were an UFA and we tried to sign him. He is a guy I would try one a one year $2-3M deal. But again, how is that any different than what we have now?
yes, they are known quantities. What is known is that none of them dramatically improves this team, and two of them strap our cap next year. Pass!
by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 19, 2012 3:17 PM MST up reply actions
Improved version of above 4 teamer -
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5990162
Atlanta gets: Channing Frye, Robin Lopez
Atlanta sends: Kirk Hinrich, Marvin Williams
Why Atlanta do this trade: Atlanta’s current rotation at the 5 consists of Zaza Pachulia, Jason Collins and spot minutes to Josh Smith. Gives them much needed depth and turns an expiring and a bust into 2 assets.
Detroit gets: Kirk Hinrich, Marvin Williams
Detroit sends: Ben Gordon, Ben Wallace
Why Detroit do this trade: Saves them money in the long term with Hinrich’s contract expiring and Williams having 2 years left on his deal. Also opens up minutes in a crowded backcourt and allows Detroit to start moving on from the mistakes it made a couple offseasons ago.
LA Clippers get: Josh Childress, Hakim Warrick, Ben Wallace
LA Clippers send: Mo Williams
Why LAC do this trade: The Clippers have a famous abundance of PGs and should look to ship one out to shore up other positions lacking depth – in their case, the forward spots and C. Big Ben is a shadow of his former self but still knows how to rebound, box out and swat away weak stuff at the rim for 15 minutes a game. Hakim Warrick has shown an ability to pour in points off the bench and Josh Childress was once a 6th man of the year candidate playing the 2 and 3 for Atlanta – playing for a team in LA that won’t need him to shoot 3s as much as slash could prove to be the lifeline Chilly needs.
Phoenix gets: Ben Gordon, Mo Williams
Phoenix sends: Channing Frye, Robin Lopez, Hakim Warrick, Josh Childress
Why Phoenix do this trade: Channing Frye’s days in Phoenix are numbered with rookie Markieff Morris playing well, and has shown he’s capable of doing everything Channing has done – and more. Robin Lopez figures to be squeezed out of the picture with Gortat and Morris on the scene and outperforming him considerably. Hakim Warrick and Josh Childress have both seemingly lost their spot in the rotation following the acquisition of SG Michael Redd. These are all players that aren’t really any use to the Suns any more, or at worst are replaceable, and to be able to address two of the team’s greatest needs – that of a designated scorer and backup point, seems to be an easy decision to make, especially considering Williams’ contract status – he has one year left on his contract following the 2011-2012 season, which holds a player option, meaning Phoenix’s cap flexibility isn’t compromised.
Phoenix’s rotation would then look something like this:
Nash/Williams/Price
Gordon/Redd/Brown
Hill/Dudley
Morris/Dudley
Gortat
Would ideally be able to swing a package of Brown, Price or Telfair to get our hands on a serviceable big to backup Morris and ’Tat.
Man, this is why I play so much damn 2k. Screw you, association mode.
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Also, worth noting -
Guys we signed in FA can’t be traded until March 4th or something like that. Rules out Brown, Price, Telfair, Redd and Hill until then.
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I feel like this trade has been proposed on here for a few years now
Thompson is a good young player, but our need for him has passed. We now have 3 role player-type PF’s on our team (Morris, Frye, Hak), so unless we get rid of them, we don’t have room for another (unless we can get a star like Josh Smith).
As our current roster stands, I’d rather get a wing player for Lopez. We need someone who can shoot the ball, and all of our wings are struggling big time. Dudley isn’t a starter, Hill might be in his final season, our backups are completely replaceable, etc, etc…
Who would have thought the Steve Nash Suns would be struggling to find offense and the only bright spot would be at Center?? These are dark days we are in…
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...Vince Carter likes cheese." -Walt Frazier
I view Hak as a SF
and Frye as a C. So I guess I only see one PF on our team. :-)
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If you mean he can play the position
but not for 36 minutes a game, then yes, I agree that’s a good comparison.
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Hak
can barely play any position unless his shot is falling. Other than that, he is fairly useless at any spot, which is why he isn’t even thought of in regards to starting for a team that has no PF [until Morris arrived].
Hak would not play a lick at sf on 27 other teams [i said 27 simply leaving room for another desperate team or two].
Too damn slow and can’t handle the rock on the perimeter.
by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 19, 2012 2:42 PM MST up reply actions
Not much of an upgrade,
if at all. Not a big fan of Thomspon, and can’t see Kings doing it either… they’d probably be looking more for some productivity at the 3, PF and C are pretty set for them.
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No kendal marshall
I want someone good. I want a beast. No more limp wristed unathletic guy with 5 inch verticals. I want some Kieff type guys. Some westbrooks and d roses. I want speed and mus le. No more heart guys with flaws that hurt us even more. "lets get better defensively and offensive ly by drafting a guy who cant shoot or guard and cant play D. Steve nash minus the skill. And Why cant we ever draft a good guard. Just crappy bigs minus morris
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by phxpurple on Jan 18, 2012 2:14 AM MST via Android app reply actions
Nitpicking,
but I noticed you said you didn’t want more unathletic 5" vert type guys, and then say you want more ’Kieff type guys.
I lurk.
Thought the exact same thing while I was reading that
"The Knicks with the swiss cheese defense.
...Vince Carter likes cheese." -Walt Frazier
Ok how bout this...
ATL gets Nash, Hill, Warrick
PHX gets J Smith, Hinrich, McGrady
Atlanta probably would be more apt to bite if hortford didnt go down, but maybe they will anyways just for the cap relief. We let Nash and hill chase the playoffs this year since we aren’t going ourselves, we lock in a coveted piece in Josh, get an extra 4mil off the books in Warrick to help keep us low pay, then in the offseason we re-sign Nash at league min to still have the cap space, and sign Hill as an assistant coach/FO job (or as a player if he wants). Hinrich and McGrady are expiring deals. If it were only this easy. Funny thing is if this actually happened like I wrote, it basically would be a J Smith for Warrick trade. I’d say that’s a win for the Suns.
How about sending Lopez away for a real PG?
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5996317
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That might not be a bad idea
Jury is still out on Bledsoe. But hey, little was known about KJ when we traded for him because he sat behind Mark Price and didn’t get much of an opportunity. Last year he sat behind Williams and Davis, and this year he is behind Paul and Williams. Maybe he would work out and it is a gamble worth taking…
by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 19, 2012 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
Here’s one
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5996919
dont freak out on me, just think of the defensive toughness and rebounding a lineup with Markieff Morris and Demarcus Cousins would have.
Hickson to me would be a better option at backup power forward than Frye who I think should play center off the bench instead. Then we could possibly trade Lopez for something pick wise.
No way the Kings go for that trade
They like Cousins enough to fire their coach.
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Yes, but Williams had the leverage in that situation
while Cousins does not.
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What about Kirk Hinrich?
He seems to have the attributes we are looking for – an expiring contract, good perimeter defense, solid playmaker from the bench…
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