A trade for the love of Nash
In the eyes of most Brightsiders this is NOT, i repeat, NOT a trade that is in the best interests of the Suns, or even feasable. So proceed with care...
I can't stand to see Nash go out like he is right now as well as BAMF. I feel they deserve better. We all know that we cannot realistically facilitate a trade for these two with the returns we would like. It's not happening for the reasoning of if they actually request a trade they will go to a contender and contenders have nothing we want and/or anything they are willing to part with of value. Moreso, we will not trade them to a non-contender because a non-contenders always want star talent or young talent/draft picks. So, with that said I looked at what we could do for NASH & BAMF (again, not necessarily for the Suns), while trying to get some type of return that wasn't so blantantly horrid.
So we all know that if Nash and Hill are put on the market, THE most likely destination would be the Knicks. They almost got Hill this offseason, and everyone knows both Hill and Nash LOVE the city of NY. Nash even lives there in the offseason. With Dantoni's job on the line its make or break for him and the Knicks aren't doing so well this season. They looked lost and unorganized. The offseason acquisition of Chandler isn't working out so well. His greatest attribute, defense, is lost on a team when he's the only one playing it.
In order to make any trade work a third team would have to be brought in. I saw in an earlier post that the Bobcats are shopping Diaw (and maybe Augustin?) so i looked to them for the third team. NOTE: with the players involved, this trade couldn't take place until March due to recent signings. The trade after the jump...
Suns Lose: Nash, Hill, Lopez, Warrick Suns Gain: Augustin, Diaw, Bibby, Davis, Diop
Outgoing Salary: $25.3 mil Incoming Salary: $21.8 mil
Knicks Lose: Chandler, Douglas, Bibby, Balkman, Davis Knicks Gain: Nash, Hill,Lopez
Outgoing Salary: $18.6 mil Incoming Salary: $21 Mil
Bobcats Lose: Augustin, Diop, Diaw Bobcats Gain: Chandler, Warrick, Balkman, Douglas
Outgoing Salary: $19.2 mil Incoming Salary: $20.2 mil
SUNS DO IT BECAUSE: It puts Nash/Hill on a contending team in a place they love plain and simple. Plus we gain very servicable PG play in return with Augustin and Davis, if he can get healthy. If not we waive him. I would think we waive Bibby and Telly to clear room. Plus we get Diaw to run the offense on the second team. He's a one year rental aka cap relief next year and if he impresses maybe we could re-sign him on the cheap. Also we get the backup center in Diop from losing Lopez. Now I understand that we would be taking Diop for next year for $7.3 mil which sucks, but hear me out. First its an additional incentive for the Bobcats to do the trade and second, it doesnt REALLY hurt us on next years cap. If we were to keep Lopez next year it would cost us 4mil qualifing offer. All said and done next year's salaries would be 34.9 with Lopez, vs. 37.7 with Diop AND Diop would create 7.3mil of cap space come 2013 and we could get another nice piece with that. Also keep in mind that at some point Chilly will get amnestied. add that together and you get 13.8mil. Thats a nice chunk to sign a big name or two medium sized names. Look it up. Who's available in 2013? Josh Smith, Al Jefferson, Kevin Martin, Milsap (all unrestricted), Blake Griffin, Lawson, Jennings, Harden (Restricted) just to name a few.
KNICKS DO IT BECAUSE: Dantoni loveslovesloves Nash as well as his job. Like I said before, adding Chandler has not made them better, if fact I would say worse. They are a hard team to watch. This would instantly make the Knicks one of the top 3 teams in the East for the next couple of years if they re-sign Nash (which I believe they would). And a midseason trade/lacking chemistry is no issue. We all know what Nash, Amare, Hill, and Lopez can do together (WCF anyone?). Now throw Melo into that equation. Losing Bibby and Davis would go unnoticed, as Davis hasn't even played and Bibby well, shouldn't be. ALSO, this would actually create CAP ROOM for the knicks next season. Go figure! You see, next year the Knicks will have 53mil invested in Melo, Amare, and Chandler. Altogether, 59.2mil under contract for 2013. With this trade, the Knicks will have only 41.8mil under contract with the ability to sign Nash (and possibly Hill) to minimum contracts which would allow them to find another piece or two. Also this trade allows NY to keep their two best young pieces in Shumpert and Fields. Shumpert would get the extreme benefit of playing behind Nash and learning from one of the greats.
BOBCATS DO IT BECAUSE: I don't know really, but I'm gonna make something up. Here it is: They get the best player in the trade with Chandler. They messed up in letting him go, and they know it. With the departure of Diop and Diaw, his salary is manageable, especially considering he is better than Diaw and Diop put together. Diawop. Augustin is an acceptable loss when you have Kemba Walker who is their PG of the future. You also get Douglas to back Kemba up and maybe play some SG as well. With Diaw gone you can move your rookie, Biyombo into the starting lineup and back him up with Warrick, Balkman, Thomas, or whoever else. Overall I feel that they upgrade their roster by replacing Diaw and Diop with Chandler. NOTE: If needed we could replace Warrick with Dudz, but I would like to keep him.
I'm not too sure about the salaries matching, especially the Knicks. I thought the incoming salaries had to be within 120% or 110% of the outgoing or something like that. I've also heard of teams throwing in cash considerations to even things out. maybe the suns could do something like that. I don't know. I'm tired and it's 3am. Because of the incoming/outgoing salaries, I'm pretty sure this trade would need to be tweaked somehow, but it was the best I could do. Anyways, what do you guys think? Like i said this is a trade idea to HELP Nash and Hill, not nessessarily help the Suns (except to help them get the #1 pick). But to be honest the Suns are horrid this year with or without Nash/Hill so why should they suffer after all they've done for us. Lets let them move on. Come on Nash. Help me help you. Help ME...help YOU.
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Well thought out.
I just don’t see the Bobcats pulling the trigger on this. This is a trade that really helps the Knicks the Suns and Bobcats not so much. The Suns have the best piece, all be it an older one, so the Suns should get better return than DJ Augustin.
Something has to be done. This team is going no where fast The Suns need to sit down with Nash and try to find a team that he would be comfortable going to and work hard to get a deal done. Few players deserve to be consulted on a trade prior to it, Nash is one.
The team needs gutted.
So basically?
The knicks become the 09-10 suns? Eff that. Why would I help them get the ring that we deserve just to get some charlotte rentals. Nash to the end baby. Re-sign retool and repeat!.
I see your one of those quiter fans. Helping new yorkers and such
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by phxpurple on Jan 18, 2012 10:15 AM MST via Android app reply actions 3 recs
This could not mean less to me:
It puts Nash/Hill on a contending team in a place they love plain and simple
I’ve said it roughly a billion times and I’ll continue to do so – both of these guys have been handsomely compensated for their time in the Valley. The Suns did just as much for Steve Nash as Steve Nash did for the Suns. And Grant Hill? Who knows where his body would be without the Suns medical staff.
I’m not saying ship these guys off to Turkey or anything but their happiness should not even be in the top 20 of reasons to make a move.
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
Agreed
their happiness should not even be in the top 20 of reasons to make a move.
But I can’t stand to see Steve suffer. I have less love for Hill.
Free Steve Nash!
I'm for trading Nash to help this team move on
It’d be cool if he could go to a contender, but we got to do what’s best for us.
Keep in my that Nash signed a 3 year contract in 09. Yeah, the team believed they could compete then. However, when Amar’e eventually was traded, Nash complained about the team having to start from scratch and work their way up again. Instead of doing that, he could have pulled a Kobe and gave Sarver an ultimatum. He could have said, “Sign David Lee or trade me.” Instead he just accepted that we weren’t going to be that good.
I love Nash, but his biggest downfall is that he’s too nice or not mean enough. He’s the perfect example of a Sports tragedy (typically that of a great person destined through a flaw of character or conflict with some overpowering force, as fate or society, to downfall or destruction.).
Don't trade Dudley!
was about to say
this but of course, He Who Shall Not Be Named beat me to it…
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 18, 2012 4:19 PM MST up reply actions
Thank you Seth...
for not saying that name…We all will rest easier tonight for it…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
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by Omaha Sun on Jan 18, 2012 8:26 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Armageddon will now occur.
Hope you’re happy.
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
The trade itself its reasonable in terms of talent and money...
I just don’t see it improving our lot…I am a PHX fan first and foremost. I love Nash and Hill dearly, but their best interests don’t come before the well being of this franchise…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Mike Bibby and Boris in Suns uniforms
My head just exploded. We didn’t even get a draft pick in this trade LOL.
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I was not aware
that the Suns or any other team has an obligation to send veteran players to contending teams. Both Nash and Hill prefer to be in Phoenix. Hill might have been able to sign with any number of teams but chose to return. Nash has signed several contracts to remain with the Suns.
This trade for an out of shape Boris and several players who can’t play is unlikely. Without Nash the Suns might not win another game this year.
It’s all about entertainment baby. The artistry of Steve Nash is all there is to make this turrribble team at least entertaining to watch.
I find it funny
That when someone posts a trade for Nash to a crap team, it gets bombarded with “how could you do that to Nash!” comments yet when someone proposes a trade to a contender then is all about “we don’t owe him anything.” make up your mind people. Sheesh!
That's why many of us don't want a trade.
There isn’t a situation where everyone wins.
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True, but there is a situation where we and Nash wins
Send Nash to the Knicks for Shumpert and a pick. He’ll get to compete and we’ll get a good player and a pick (hopefully) as well as a higher first round pick being our own. Then in the off-season we can re-sign Steve Nash and a star or two. He’s just got to agree to this plan and then lie to New York.
Don't trade Dudley!
I would more than do this
But don’t the salaries have to match? The Knicks would be taking back an additional 10mil.
by LouDub on Jan 19, 2012 5:02 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yes.
I’m not even close to sold on Shumpert either.
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How about this then? (I just posted this on the Rosterbation Page)
ATL gets Nash, Hill, Warrick
PHX gets J Smith, Hinrich, McGrady
Atlanta probably would be more apt to bite if hortford didnt go down, but maybe they will anyways just for the cap relief. We let Nash and hill chase the playoffs this year since we aren’t going ourselves, we lock in a coveted piece in Josh, get an extra 4mil off the books in Warrick to help keep us low pay, then in the offseason we re-sign Nash at league min to still have the cap space, and sign Hill as an assistant coach/FO job (or as a player if he wants). Hinrich and McGrady are expiring deals. If it were only this easy. Funny thing is if this actually happened like I wrote, it basically would be a J Smith for Warrick trade. I’d say that’s a win for the Suns.
would Nash accept a minimum contract
after coming off a season in which he led the league in assists per game? especially after watching grant get paid 6.5 mil as a 39 year old
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by PHXSunsRunNGun on Jan 19, 2012 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
There's no way he's getting a minimum contract.
Perhaps he’ll take a smaller deal somewhere, but definitely not minimum. I doubt anyone would even offer that.
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this deal works too
But Nash will probably want at least the mid-level exception which I would be willing to do.
Don't trade Dudley!

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