Phoenix Suns Daily News: Redd Not Ready, Shaking Up the Lineup, and So Much More
Many fans were clamoring for a change in the starting lineup during a 5-game Suns losing streak. Turns out Alvin Gentry agreed:
"We went back and looked and right now we're Number 27 in the NBA in second-quarter points. We've got to get that unit to the point where we're at least playing even and not playing from behind."
Wednesday night in New York, Gentry teamed Ronnie Price with Steve Nash to begin the game. Although Price's line was a -5 coupled with zero points, the Suns won, and reserve Shannon Brown hit a decisive shot to ice the game. Price is a defensive specialist, so the lack of offense isn't much of a surprise. Bolstering the second unit with Dudley, Frye, and Brown adds (in theory) the offense to sustain the squad while Nash rests. Sebastian Telfair filled in at the point as Nash rested, playing 10 minutes with a bucket and -1. While Telfair is limited in many aspects, he can be a play maker and has the quickness to take it to the hole. If there was a loser in this reconfiguration, it may have been Jared Dudley, who while playing 17 minutes, missed all four of his shots.
On the front line, Markieff Morris started in place of Channing Frye. Morris had a stomach ailment which limited his court time, but there is no clear drop off starting the rookie in place of Frye, who may just be best coming off the bench as evident by his 3-4 performance to go with 4 rebounds and 4 blocked shots.
If Morris can provide an offensive punch to make up for Price's lack of offensive prowess, just maybe everything equals out. Jared Dudley has always sparked the bench, and while moving him out of the starting 5 may seem personally like a negative thing, Gentry says the lineup changes were not demotions.
Josh Childress said it best when describing his own situation: "Coach is just trying to figure out lineups and what works..."
Michael Redd was signed by the Suns and debuted with a 12 point performance after not playing since the 2010 season. He followed that performance by draining one out of his next 12 shot attempts. There was no doubt Redd would be rusty. He didn't play versus the Knicks last night. He admits he isn't ready: "I'm not in a rhythm at all. It's my movement on the court that's better. I'm starting to pick up the offense more. Other than that, I feel good." The good news is he isn't hurt. The bad news is the proverbial "I need to learn the system." We've heard that before now haven't we? Some guys pick it up while others never will. It would be wonderful if Shannon Brown could make us forget that Michael Redd is even on the roster, but I won't hold my breath.
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I think the idea behind starting Price
is to add enthusiasm/hustle in the line-up in order to get things going for our starters – I know that’s weird considering that’s what JYD’s staple is supposed to be… but clearly Ronnie Price’s hustle has out-shined anyone on this team.
Not sure what is up with Dudley – supposedly his new go to move that he worked on this summer was his head fake step in shot – but he has yet to hit it. In fact he’s been pretty severely inaccurate. Add to that his three-ball is looking very flat and rushed as well. Maybe it’s still about his rhythm much like Frye and hopefully a move back to the bench will jilt his mechanism.
Price was everywhere though – he didn’t score, but he was hounding on defense, getting his body and hands in passing lanes and knocking down balls. I like him as a firestarter.
I also really loved how Robin Lopez continued to show his aggressiveness – a continuation from the Bulls game, he came in and just beat up guys that were trying easy buckets. It’s like Tom Chambers has been saying pre-and-post game, we need to be more physical and hit people.
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by Eutychus on Jan 19, 2012 10:20 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
Robin may have found his way in life...
As a designated nut-cracker on the court…WooHoo, I love it…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
With price starting..
the defence in the first 6 mins, looked much better last night. And that seemed to spark an overall much better defensive effort. Don’t know if that will continue to work against some of the more complete offensive teams, or whether that was a one night wonder, but I did feel they looked like a more cohesive and balanced team.
Would like to see Price come out at the 6 min mark, to be replaced by someone (Dudley, Brown, Redd) but then for him to come back for a few mins at the end of the quarter to also spell Nash (instead of going with Telfair, who I think they should just cut, eventually). would increase his mins substantially, but I think they need to see what they can get out of him. He does seem to be a bit of a spark plug, and if he can continue to show that he is able to show decent shot selection, he looks like he could be a good add.
Price reminded me of what Dowdell did last year giving a bit of a defensive spark to the team when he played
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I barely remember Dowdell getting on the court...
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Yeah, he was a bench guy but I remember him getting in a lot more when some of the guys were injured
Wasn’t a great shooter but from what I recall he was a good defender and he always gave a lot of effort.
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Price is basically an athletic Dowdell.
Their games are very similar, but Price has the hops and speed to go with his hustle.
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Really?
He got a lot of burn once Nash got injured.
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I was drunk once that happened,,,
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I don't blame you at all
Haha
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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completely agree.
We need to find ways NOT to play Telfair. Your idea of a 6-min quarter is a good one, though I also think Brown can be the starting 2 if he shows good defense. I thought he looked good on D in the 4th Q.
Grant Hill for prez.
Price is the Jarron Collins of this year
a bad player who is starting for lack of a better option.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
I like Price better than Collins
Collins literally was just a body out there lol
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I think Price should come out closer to the 4 minute mark.
But otherwise I agree.
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Correction.
Josh Childress said it best when describing his own situation: “Coach is just trying to figure out lineups and what works I love the bench…”
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 19, 2012 12:26 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
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by sports_dude33 on Jan 19, 2012 4:23 PM MST up reply actions
Thunder just signed Westbrook to a $78 million extension
Cross one of our targets off the list.
If Wolves extend Love, then the FO’s “2012 plan”= praying for Dwight, Deron, or Eric Gordon
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Correction
If Wolves extend Love, then the FO’s "2012 plan"= praying forDwight, Deron, orEric Gordon
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 19, 2012 1:31 PM MST up reply actions
pretty much
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I just hope that if they end up with a bunch of cap space
and there’s nobody good to spend it on, they just sign a bunch of one year deals and wait another year instead of signing bad deals they’ll regret.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 19, 2012 1:45 PM MST up reply actions
Westbrook would have been nice.
The 2012 plan might not work if Love signs with the Wolves and Dwight ends up with D-Will as a Net. Not too much left after those guys.
by Sunderstruck on Jan 19, 2012 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
That is fine by me
I really don’t like that punk.
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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I like the Price move
similar to what the Clips are doing with chauncey and what we had in 9-10 with LB and dragic…a 2nd ball handler to take the pressure off the pg
Of course ideally it would be a higher caliber guy, but Price comes out with some good energy on both ends and is starting to acquire a little court vision to boot… I hope they stick with this for a couple games and see if it pans out.
and with any luck duds and frye get bench time to find their groove
I like Price on the floor with Steve for defensive reasons
He’s pretty effective vs. fast physical guards (see Rondo). I think Frye and Dudz may benefit from playing on the second unit, at least for now. If and when they start shooting this can be switched again. It’s about minutes and rotations, not first and second unit. I sometimes think Gentry is too reluctant to try different permutations so kudos to him. We desperately need W’s whatever it takes. Steve is nashing at an incredible level. It’s such a shame that we lose so often even when he’s playing his butt off.
p.s. I reeeally wanna see someone punk KG tomorrow. Maybe Morris?
Robin.
He’s bigger.
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I said no
But that is because I want to see Keef and Brown start instead of Price being in there with Steve, but really it doesn’t matter that much to me. I did like seeing a roster change and we have to figure out what rotation balances us out the most (as far as offensive flow and on the defensive end).
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Starting Price is a one time gimmick
The Knicks have no guards, so starting price and nash is fine. But how would Price handle guarding Manu, Kobe, Harden, Wade, etc etc etc…
He can’t, and neither can Nash.
Price is not an answer.
by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 19, 2012 2:39 PM MST reply actions
They are too undersized
Against most teams. I think it was just cause we were playing the Knicks.
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yup
even if Hill takes the star SG like Manu or Kobe how can Price play defense against an SF???
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 19, 2012 2:52 PM MST up reply actions
Steve does it.
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Sight for sore eyes...
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 20, 2012 1:11 AM MST up reply actions
I lol'd at the part that says "Josh Chilldress said it best"
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YOu know where this is going
Shannon will be the starter eventually. He just needs to show some defensive prowess first. I like Price’s style a lot and in some ways he brings a mix of Bell and Barbosa to the 2 spot. He’s super fast like Barbosa but with a defensive mindset like Bell. Granted his offense is limited but he will work until Shannon is ready to take his rightful spot. I predict Redd will be sixth man of the year next year. He just needs to learn right now.
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by Wolf Make-Shift on Jan 19, 2012 7:58 PM MST reply actions
The starting line up had nothing to do with last night's victory.
Morris barely played and Price was super-super ineffective. Brown was the guy who was in during crunch time, not Price.
Frye had a really good defensive showing last night with 4 blocks and looked like he was beginning to turn the corner offensively by draining 3 of 4 3pt attempts. Frye finding his stroke is exactly what this team has been waiting for. I mean, there were large chunks of last season where we were relying on Frye to be our primary scorer and for the most part he didn’t disappoint.
Nash/Price/Telfair
Brown/Redd/Dudz
Hill/Dudz/J-Chill :(
Frye/Morris/Warrick
Gortat/Lopez/Morris
Obviously, I want Redd to become the starter once he becomes acclimated with the offense and is back in basketball shape.
We can’t continue to roll out a 12 man rotation. We gotta trim it down by at least two players so everyone has an established role on the team. I wouldn’t mind seeing Morris and Frye on the court at the same time along with Nash, Dudley, and Redd. I mean, how many teams can send out five very good three-point shooters at once while also not sacrificing any size?
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Just curious
Why would you put Morris as the 3rd center and not Frye? Doesn’t really make sense to me.
BAMF goes HAM.
I agree,
but I’m not sure the 3rd string matters that much. I’d also wager Warrick is higher on the SF depth chart than Chill at this point.
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At this point
Blake Griffin would get more burn than Chilly LOL.
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Taylor*
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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False.
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