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Michael Redd's Adjustment To Phoenix Suns Sounds All Too Familiar

Michael Redd was always a long shot to help the Phoenix Suns this season. He's been out of the game a long time and to walk on to a team already dealing with questions about roles and rotations is quite the challenge even for a guy as nice and pious as Redd.

Michael has gone 1-12 after his first game and we know how misleading first games back can be. Redd didn't even play on the second of a back-to-back in New York on a night that saw Steve Nash and Grant Hill each play 38 minutes.

Giving Redd more time to adjust and get in game shape is only the right thing to do. Frankly, it's the only thing to do.

But it's no surprise at all to hear him talk about his struggles adjusting to playing with the Suns. We've heard it all before. Players, particularly shooting guards who are used to having the ball in their hands, find themselves relegated to spotting up in the corner while Steve Nash runs the show.

This sound at all familiar?

Phoenix Suns shake up staring lineup vs. New York Knicks
"The more I play, the more I'll get used to playing," Redd said. "It just hasn't happened. I've got to get adjusted to the system. Coach and I talked about other ways to get me the ball when I come in the game. I'm used to having the ball in my hands and doing things. It's an adjustment."

Why Michael Redd wasn't signed sooner and at least able to participate in the limited training camp with the Suns is a question I've yet to find an answer to. (Then again, I've not really had a chance yet to ask the right people.) (And besides, does it really matter?) (Probably, it matters some since Redd would have had an additional three weeks or so.) (But maybe the Suns didn't want his rehab period to interfere with camp.) (Or maybe Redd was exploring other options.) (Probably, I shouldn't deal in idle speculation couched in mysterious parentheses). (Ok, I'll stop now.)

Star-divide

In other news, Gentry shook up the starting lineup to get Dudley on the bench where he can help the second unit flow a bit better and put Shannon Brown with Steve Nash where he won't feel the need to emulate his buddy, Kobe Bean Bryant.

Of course, Brown didn't start with Nash. Ronnie Price started with Nash for reasons that aren't all that clear but it doesn't matter since Price played just 15 minutes on Wednesday and Brown was on the court in crunch time pinballing in a three from the corner.

The other change to the lineup, Markieff Morris for Channing Frye, makes even more sense.

It's a shame that Morris couldn't play more due to stomach flu (aka puking his guts out) but I'm looking forward to seeing Morris and Gortat on the floor together more. They are a good fit (if a bit undersized) and should help with the rebounding and give the Suns a low post option (if Nash is willing to use it).

What lineup do you like? Does it really matter?

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Nash-Dudley-Hill-Morris-Gortat
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wow, I'm stupid.

the vote for Chilly was me, my bad. I’ll admit it. Didn’t mean to though.

by Gildo on Jan 19, 2012 10:39 AM MST reply actions  

I prefer the first one.

I like Price playing backup pg, and with Dudz and Frye with the second unit along with Robin and Warrick, he could possibly be more effective… On paper that doesn’t sound like too bad of a second unit. I like Brown when he is not taking stupid shots and holding onto the ball too long. He provides a quick fast-break option that is sorely lacking on the first unit (Grant has still got it, but seems a step slower this season) and is also pretty feisty on D. This also leaves Bassy on the bench. When Redd is ready to step in (if ever) I have no idea which unit he would fit into better (maybe the second which would allow him to hold the ball more like he prefers?) The only issue then is who’s minutes he takes, but I’ll leave that decision to the experts (Scott Howard?)

by Gildo on Jan 19, 2012 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Looks like you aren't the only one

LOL

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Jan 19, 2012 1:48 PM MST up reply actions  

" (Probably, I shouldn’t deal in idle speculation couched in mysterious parentheses). (Ok, I’ll stop now.)"..seth youre funny

by good like a-1 beer on Jan 19, 2012 11:33 AM MST reply actions  

Cool conversation with yourself

A little weird. Reminded me of Gollum. You know what happened to him.

by Van2010 on Jan 19, 2012 1:38 PM MST up reply actions  

As a copy-editor, it hurt my eyes to read.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 19, 2012 11:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Not as much as it hurt me

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by Seth Pollack on Jan 20, 2012 8:12 AM MST up reply actions  

I voted Chilly-Telfair-Redd-Warrick-Lopez

I figured that that the +/- on this group was so bad, that it had to be a mistake…

Go Suns…!

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by Daryl Ray on Jan 19, 2012 12:26 PM MST reply actions  

I voted for "Other"

since none of the the first options were what I wanted, which is:

Nash / Brown / Hill / Frye / Gortat

Voted most likely to say "I told you so"

by jc79 on Jan 19, 2012 12:37 PM MST reply actions  

waitaminnut...

That isn’t “Other”

I’ve been horn-swaggled!

Voted most likely to say "I told you so"

by jc79 on Jan 19, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm hoping eventually Redd is the starting SG

and the bench is Price, Dudley, Warrick, Frye, Lopez. Morris can stay starter.

by JLG33134 on Jan 19, 2012 12:48 PM MST reply actions  

so far....

….Brown and Morris have been shooting the ball and playing a little bit better; so they should start. Duds and Frye haven’t been playing like they did a year ago. Hopefully a change in thier rotation spots gets them back to expectations.

by Think about it on Jan 19, 2012 12:51 PM MST reply actions  

Redd will get there.

It’s just going to take time, which i know we don’t have. The time he has missed on the court can’t be made up in a few weeks. With no training camp and signing so late it’s going to take the whole season for him to get comfortable and back in game shape.

If we can reload for next season and keep him on the cheap i’m sure we will see a productive Redd, starting or coming of the bench.

by Sunderstruck on Jan 19, 2012 1:42 PM MST reply actions  

Redd eyes

I’m not sure Redd ever was much of a SG that needed to have the ball in his hands. Wasn’t he excellent as a spot-up shooter? Isn’t that why he was on the olympic team? I think he’ll fit in fine when he gets in condition. I think he looked alright out there. Just out of shape. Should be a good fit, though I don’t know if he’ll ever be a starter this season.

So, I think Nash-Brown-Hill-Morris-Gortat are the starters until further notice, with the bench being Price-Dudz/Redd-Dudz/Hak-Frye-Lopez. No Chilly, no Telfair. Dudz needs to share the back up 2 & 3 spot for his 24 minutes. Even with that, it’ll be tough to find the minutes for him, Redd, and Hak. But I think Redd and Hak will be used in low minutes.

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 19, 2012 1:46 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

Agreed.

He was agreat spot up shooter. but in milwaukee was asked to do much much more hence the drop in FG%.

He also has a decent post game. If he gets to 80% he will be by far the best SG in Suns uni.

Feed the cutter!!!

by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 19, 2012 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Looks like Jared Jeffries is applauding Hakim Warrick in the picture.

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.

by NashMV3 on Jan 19, 2012 2:19 PM MST reply actions  

Bravo!

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Jan 19, 2012 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

He's waving away a hakim warrick dunk fart.

Also know as a “funk dart.” The ultimate in getting dunked on disgrace. A shaq funk dart was known to leave the net moist and the backboard shaking.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 19, 2012 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

PLEASE NO MORE BROWN

I don’t care if he played well in the Knicks game or not. I don’t want to watch the Suns with him on the floor at all. I would rather see them go 4 on 5.

by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 19, 2012 2:35 PM MST reply actions  

If he plays with nash thrn you know he wont get the ball in his hands

This forces him to play off thge ball which is the only thing hes good at. Im no brown fan either but dudz has bren just as bad. I want eric gordon sooooo bad

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Jan 19, 2012 2:40 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Not a Brown fan, but

He will probablly start playing much better, and smarter next to Nash. Hi athleticism, along side Nash, could be something beautiful. Think Marion style, garbage cleaner, and being in the right place at the right time. If that happens, rather than the selfish player we’ve seen, than I will endorse him (like that means anything). A Nash lead offence needs this type of player.

by rdgroce on Jan 19, 2012 6:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Being in the right place at the right time isn't something you learn.

It’s something you just have with you for the most part. It’s what makes Doug McDermott so great.

Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 19, 2012 11:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Where’s our wednesday podcast?

borderline adequate

by waxmonkey on Jan 19, 2012 2:43 PM MST reply actions  

It is up on the site right now

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Jan 19, 2012 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Ah, wasn’t there when I opened this thread.

borderline adequate

by waxmonkey on Jan 19, 2012 2:56 PM MST up reply actions  

All good

just letting you know

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Jan 19, 2012 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Gentry needs to juggle SG and PF based on opponent.

I also like the idea of Frye and Dudz coming in to give a spark vs. lesser opponents.

When Brown comes in off the bench all he does is jack up shots. Maybe if he starts his role will change and he can get to the hoop and play some perimeter D.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 19, 2012 3:05 PM MST reply actions  

Juggling can be bad for the players though.

They are creatures of habit and usually do much better when they are sure of their roles and can get into a rhythm.

Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 19, 2012 11:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Was Morris start a longterm change

Or was it just putting out a sick player and saying “6 minutes – last six minutes then you can hit the showers”?

by MMotherwell on Jan 19, 2012 3:09 PM MST reply actions  

Suns Starters vs 2nd String

I only like Morris if he isnt consistantly jacking up 3’s. It gets annoying. I want to see him shooting from 15ft and in. He needs to be around the rim, where he does the most damage. He has a ton of potential and is savy for a rookie. I hope Gentry doesnt ruin him by letting Morris play around the 3-point line all game.

My fav starting 5 – Nash – Brown – Hill – Warrik – Gortat – Have 2 bigs that can pick -n-roll

2nd string – Price – Dudz – Frye – Morris – Lopez – Good balance of “D” mixed w/ some “O”

by FourHorseman on Jan 19, 2012 3:14 PM MST reply actions  

so right on

Been saying this for a while. Gentry finally ran a post play through Morris, Dude is a PF. Gentry doesn’t seem to teach fundamentals. Ever watch Lopez post up? They pass to him while he is 12’ from the basket, then he has to put it on the floor only to have pg swoop in for the steal, This happens all the time. Gentry is allowing him to develop bad habbits. We finally have an advantage with our bigs and Gentry doesn’t utilize them grrrr.

by rdgroce on Jan 19, 2012 6:42 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah, I'm with you on most of this

Play Morris as a PF, get a post up in his game (looking at you, Cartwright. Wait, did Cartwright even have a post up game?).

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 19, 2012 7:20 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

but also

you canNOT have Frye as a SF. He could never cover any SF in the league defensively. It just isn’t a good thing to do. You’d have to play Morris as the SF defensively. Of course, on the other end, Frye might be able to get free for shots as the SF. But I’m not sure that would work all in all.

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 19, 2012 7:22 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

It's not an NBA coach's job to teach fundamentals.

That’s what grade, high school, and even college coaches are for. if a player arrives in the NBA without fundamentals, they are in trouble. Unless they have a 44-inch vertical.

Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 19, 2012 11:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Offseason

Our dreams of Westbrook and Love are out of the picture, so who are we going to sign now? J.R. Smith lol!

"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley

by Suns R Us on Jan 19, 2012 3:23 PM MST reply actions  

Oh god no

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Jan 19, 2012 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Aaron Brooks and a lottery pick?

I don’t see the Suns getting a major name, but there are some good players out there.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 19, 2012 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

how do we know that k-love is out of the picture?

he’s an RFA, and i think that he may wait to sign an extension with minny until he evaluates all of his options.

Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"

by u_must_chill on Jan 19, 2012 8:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I really think we should push hard for Dwight Howard, but Phoenix isnt fancy enough for Dwight……A good combo to shoot for is Adre Iguodala and Josh Smith. Both have been rumored at some point about being possibly tradable.

by FourHorseman on Jan 19, 2012 3:47 PM MST reply actions  

Iggie makes 13.5 mil., that is why he is always in trade rumors

Hill and Childress and for Iggie! Collins has them going in the right direction so I don’t see any major shakeups this season. The Hawks need Smith now that Horford is out for the season.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 19, 2012 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Pretty sure this is Sarver's "strategy"

not the trading part, but folding on this season and trying to reload next season. Disappointing because I think they could be more competitive and have a shot at the playoffs this season had they tried to bring in a better SG.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 19, 2012 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure that is wise

With a better SG, we are what, 8th seed? With the team we have, we are there or thereabouts.

The cost to get a better SG needs to be very LOW – and we need to preserve our space. If you can find a trade like that, I’m all ears.

by MMotherwell on Jan 19, 2012 5:26 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah- we wouldn't necessarily be all that much better.

Plus, the above comments about Iggy- at this point, I think he’s worth $13.5m. The guy is amazing. But maybe he has to play around other people drawing the opposition away. Then again, we have Gortat, Morris and (still) Nash. Maybe it would work really well. He’s always seemed perfect for us.

J Smtih would be great too. If we can’t get Williams, Howard, Love, Westbrook- then I think these two would be as good as we can get, which is pretty good.

Smith is due to get $13.2m next year, and next year is the last on his contract. Not a particularly bad time to get him, particularly if we get nash back at a good rate. One last run??

Iggy is due to get $14.7m next season, with a player option the following year for $15.9m. Wow (just looked it up)- that is outrageous. Not sure if he’s worth that. But, again, if we want to give Nash another shot, this would be the way to do it.

And these two guys would fill the spots we really need (besides PG).

Let’s add it up:
Nash $3.0m (assume he takes a low amount)
Iggy $14.7m
Smith $13.2m
Morris $2.0m
Gortat $7.3m

Price $2m
Brown $4m
Dudz $4.3m
Frye $6m
Lopez $4m

Total: $60.5m
Possible? Desirable?
Assume, of course, Brown, Dudz, Frye, Hak and Lopez could be gone in trades, and the numbers above would be needed to replace them.

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 19, 2012 7:36 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

realistically, we don't have the assets to get these guys

but it is fun to rosterbate about it.

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 19, 2012 7:40 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

When it comes to experimental Gentry lineups

All I can think of is the time Childress started at Center and contested the opening tip.

by Toon Army Sun on Jan 19, 2012 5:53 PM MST via Android app reply actions  

he did? lol. I am guessing he lost.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 19, 2012 7:14 PM MST up reply actions  

whew boy

that was bad. Who was that against? NYC, right? At home, I think. We lost by 30, or something embarrassing.

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 19, 2012 7:38 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Yep, NYK.

And yep, blow-out.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 19, 2012 11:52 PM MST up reply actions  

wow

how is Nash-duds-hill-frye-gortat last…they are easily our 5 best players

by phx suns on Jan 20, 2012 12:30 AM MST reply actions  

That's what we've had, and it hasn't worked so well.

People are ready to try something new.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 20, 2012 12:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes it has

It is the backups that have sucked.

Our best 5 is OK – our worst 5 is abysmal.

by MMotherwell on Jan 20, 2012 4:18 AM MST up reply actions  

To be clear

The goal of “demoting” dudley and Frye is to strengthen the bench, not because those two have sucked. Our bench has had just paltry returns .

by MMotherwell on Jan 20, 2012 4:19 AM MST up reply actions  

this might sound a little like captain obvious, but...

i think that gentry needs to decide on a rotation and stick to it. yanking guys in and out of the lineup depending on the opponent is screwing with their confidence, and their rhythm. players thrive when they’re comfortable, and they’re comfortable when they have a defined role on the team. i think that’s especially true with our guys.

Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"

by u_must_chill on Jan 20, 2012 6:23 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree, at least the starters. And if he wants to switch it up make some early substitutions. Some guys are comfortable coming in off the bench. Both Brown and Price are the two I see that really need a defined roll in order to get full potential out of them. Telfair too, I really want to see him do well. I think he can really push the ball on offense but he looks so confused on the court sometimes.

by FourHorseman on Jan 20, 2012 8:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Confidence and rhythm?

I’ve seen little of either.

Problem might be they’re TOO comfortable in their roles.

Can’t hurt to shake things up a bit.

I'm Michael Beasley's imaginary friend.

by suns68 on Jan 20, 2012 8:53 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

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