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Phoenix Suns Continue Dominance of Warriors, 102-91, Nash and Morris Lead the Way

The Phoenix Suns (2-3) continued their mastery of the Golden State Warriors today, winning in impressive fashion and finally breaking the 100 point barrier, 102-91. Steve Nash looked like his old self with 21 points and 9 assists on 9-13 shooting, and rookie Markieff Morris again provided a huge lift off the bench with 16 points, 9 rebounds and a whopping +20 when he was on the floor.

The Warriors (2-3) were led by Monta Ellis, who distributed the ball about as effectively as you'll see him distribute. He scored 18 points on only 6-16 shooting, but dished 11 assists as Stephen Curry struggled with foul trouble to total only 10 points in 23 minutes of play. David Lee didn't play for the Warriors due to illness, but Dominic McGuire filled in with 14 points and 9 rebounds, and Kwame Brown chipped in 9 and 7.

This is the kind of win the Suns need to consistently get this season if they want to make a run at a playoff spot. The Warriors are marginally improved this year, but playing them at home when one of their key starters is out is a situation in which the Suns need to take care of business, and today they did exactly that.

Nash and Morris carried the load, and the Suns killed the Warriors on the boards, 49-36. With five scorers in double figures and a 100+ point outing, this finally looks like the Suns team we're all hoping for.

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Star-divide

Early on, it looked like more of the same for the Suns. The Warriors led 26-25 after the first quarter, outshooting the Suns 67% to 35% from the field as the Suns went 0-6 from 3. All that kept the Suns in the game was drawing fouls by aggressively attacking the basket (and some sloppy reaching and grabbing from the Warriors) and winning the rebounding battle.

The bench, led by Morris, again provided a lift in the second quarter. Shooting didn't improve much, but the Suns tightened up defensively and continued to win the battle down low to draw fouls and snag rebounds. The Suns won the quarter by 5, taking a 51-47 lead into halftime behind 11 points in 12 minutes from Morris and a 26-18 rebounding edge.

The lead evaporated quickly as the Suns took nearly 4 minutes to score a point to start the second half, and the Warriors had an 8-0 run to take a 55-51 lead. Markieff Morris to the rescue! Morris played a strong inside/outside game and has tremendous poise and confidence for a rookie, along with an excellent all-around game. Warriors commentators were impressed, noting how Morris looked like a veteran.

Morris hit a 3, and then the 3s began falling for the Suns. Dudley followed with one of his two 3-pointers and the Suns went on a 14-2 run to take a 70-61 lead before the Warriors clawed back again with an 8-2 run of their own to trim the Suns lead to 72-69 heading into the 4th.

Though Ellis played well for the Warriors, Curry and Dorell Wright did not, and their offense looked out of sorts at times. They made 50% of their FGs and 41% of their 3s, but also committed 17 turnovers. Sloppy Warriors play helped the Suns build a 81-69 lead with 9:27 remaining before rookie Klay Thompson made two 3-pointers to bring the Warriors to within 81-75.

Then Steve Nash happened. Nash, of course, has struggled with his shot so far this season but he got himself going with drives to the hoop and was able to finish. He ended up scoring 13 of his game-high 21 points in the 4th quarter and his lone converted 3-pointer of the game with 2:24 left essentially sealed the deal as the Suns took a 94-83 lead.

Sure, the Warriors aren't world beaters, and they're a team the Suns have owned, having not won at USAC since 2005. But with Nash looking like himself again, the team finally hitting some shots and Markieff Morris playing like an all-rookie team player, this was a satisfying win. Maybe that's also because it's the Suns first win of a game I covered, and it came against a team that plays 25 miles from my current home.

Now, let's build off of this win!

Game Notes

  • Channing Frye continues to rebound effectively. He only hit 3-8 FGs and 1-3 3-pointers, but he gathered 10 rebounds in 26 minutes of play. Just because Morris is making a strong case to start doesn't mean Frye is bringing nothing to the table. Kudos to him for making a contribution when his outside shot is not yet "juicy". The shot will come around.
  • Watching Shannon Brown play offense can be painful. He sometimes grinds ball movement to a halt or chucks up random bad shots. But he does bring energy and athleticism, and had 5 rebounds and 2 assists to go with some strong defense and 2 made 3-pointers in scoring 10 points today.
  • It's usually a disadvantage to be forced to hear the opposing team's announcers, but it was actually great today. It provided insight hearing what the opposing team's talking heads had to say, and they weren't homers. They were duly impressed by Morris, Nash and Hill, and concluded that the Suns can be a decent team this year. Guess that's what happens when you beat a team up the way the Suns have beaten the Warriors up.
  • What is Morris' ceiling? His athleticism isn't top end but he's a smart, savvy, tough player with a lot of skills, especially for a rookie. On media day, he came across as a bit cocky, but it's looking so far like he has plenty of reason for confidence.
  • The Suns bench put up 43 points today. Yes, 16 were from Morris, but Brown had 10, Hakim Warrick had 8 and Ronnie Price scored 7 points to go with 4 assists. Is the Suns bench going to be a strength? At the very least it looks like it won't be a disaster.
  • I've been a big critic of Monta Ellis, but he was undoubtedly the Warriors best player today. He and Curry don't seem to fit well together, although the Warriors have said they're committed to trying to make it work for the foreseeable future. Eventually, one of the two figures to be traded.

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Steve Nash = The Best
Grant Hill = All Star
(Excuse the typos)

by SUNS PORTUGAL on Jan 2, 2012 4:41 PM MST reply actions  

Segundo?

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by Spit_Fire on Jan 2, 2012 4:50 PM MST reply actions  

yes

Steve Nash = The Best
Grant Hill = All Star
(Excuse the typos)

by SUNS PORTUGAL on Jan 2, 2012 4:55 PM MST up reply actions  

What's next after segundo?

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by Spit_Fire on Jan 2, 2012 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Safe to say

Nash is back. We’re in good hands.

"I'm a nobody." - Steve Nash in 1997

by PHXSunsRunNGun on Jan 2, 2012 4:50 PM MST reply actions  

Oh what a relief it is. Nash was moving well!

Morris looked so poised! Frolo made a hustle steal! Brown showed up! Price was better! Exclamation point! A decisive W!
Some good new non-Steve rotations taking advantage of depth and versatility = entertaining game and positive vibe. Early signs of improving chemistry. Unfortunately Chilly must sit until further notice.
Belated happy new year.

by Van2010 on Jan 2, 2012 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I didn't mean to suggest that but

Hmmm. Maybe. We just need W’s. I do think Gentry’s rotation decisions are going to be more and more important.

by Van2010 on Jan 2, 2012 5:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Chilly’s out of the rotation, thank God. We need what Warrick and the other guys bring. I am really liking Price at the backup PG. Our bench is looking very good. Starters starting to come around. Just need to get Gortat healthy and going!

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 2, 2012 7:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Price scares me

He is OK on th break, but doesn’t have any BBall IQ.

That said, he is our best post-Barbosa backup PG, because he is active defensively, meaning he at least HAS a strength.

I wish we could get a guy like Shaun Livingston. He can play D and O.

by MMotherwell on Jan 2, 2012 7:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Negatory my good friend.

Goran was a lot better than Price. I really wish we could get him back, wonder if its true that he was being a bit of a knuckle-head behind the scenes. The trade for brooks was (barkley style) TORRIBLE!

by lynx280 on Jan 2, 2012 9:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Price is an 8—year backup. Goran is a 3-yr backup with no starting prospects in the future. Career stats about equal. I don’t think it’s a race for “best” as much as a one-for-the-other.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 2, 2012 9:10 PM MST up reply actions  

sorry I looked it up. Dragic much better than Price, per 36 minutes and per game.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 2, 2012 9:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, Price is not a good PG.

He’s a good athlete and he hustles though, so is at least contributing. Goran was and is a better player, but we just need to move on. It wasn’t working for him here.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 2, 2012 11:32 PM MST up reply actions  

At least Price is showing effort and toughness

Right now that counts for a lot. Goran was great, but just got complacent or something… he was too lax, and wasn’t producing at all. he had more turnovers than assists (seemingly), his shot disappeared, and his effort wasn’t as strong as ‘09-’10. I think it was a good trade for him and for Brooks.

Personally, I think Brooks would be a better fit here this year than either of them. We could use his scoring and speed. But I think Price will fill in well until he gets back.

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 2, 2012 11:57 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed with all of that, sun-arc.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 3, 2012 1:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes but then who would Redd pair with in the backcourt, defensively? Redd/Nash better or worse defensively than Redd/Brooks?

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 3, 2012 6:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I liked ejs price comparison

To frank johnson,Not quite the shooter 4th qtr frank was and alot younger than frank in a suns uni but I see the pesky defence.

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by stevedavis_ on Jan 3, 2012 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Really a tough call

I doubt can play a lick of D, so he’d seem to be a liability on that end. Better to play with price in that case. But if he is scoring more than his D assignment is, it doesn’t matter.

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 3, 2012 1:32 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Goran was AWESOME in 2009-10 but

last year he was HORRIFIC. I am not a big fan of plus-minus (very noisy data) but Goran last year was really bad – http://www.82games.com/1011/1011PHO1.HTM – he was terrible on offence and terrible on defence.

I think Goran can be a player and has MUCH more upside than Price, I really do, but last year he was a complete train wreck.

by MMotherwell on Jan 3, 2012 2:20 AM MST up reply actions  

That was fun.

No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.

by Scott Howard on Jan 2, 2012 4:55 PM MST reply actions  

Most positive Scott post ever

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by AcucracK on Jan 2, 2012 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

It sure was!

Super fun, exciting game to be at!

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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 2, 2012 5:00 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Looks like we just waived Siler

rahh hulk smash, ok not really

by yung.hulk on Jan 2, 2012 4:58 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

Any Link to share on that?

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by AcucracK on Jan 2, 2012 5:01 PM MST up reply actions  

CORO AND OTHERS ON TWITTER REPORTING

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by stevedavis_ on Jan 2, 2012 5:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Crazy

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by AcucracK on Jan 2, 2012 5:07 PM MST up reply actions  

lol how is that crazy. He’s not really a player. Just big.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 2, 2012 5:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I was caught up in the moment

Honestly I could care less about the dude haha.

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by AcucracK on Jan 2, 2012 5:47 PM MST up reply actions  

why not

Keep siler send him to d-league I dont geet it,roster at minimum and redd a week away-tight asses

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by stevedavis_ on Jan 2, 2012 5:01 PM MST reply actions  

Unless

This is a precursor to some sort of move,I dont see em messing with this roster much at this point.I just dont get that you ccan have 13 active players for now and we will roll with only 12 as redd is at least a week away.

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by stevedavis_ on Jan 2, 2012 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

we already have 3 guys that can play the 5 spot

@jatrex
is the Phoenix about to rise after burning or the ashes has been blown away

by jatrex4suns on Jan 2, 2012 5:15 PM MST up reply actions  

right.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 2, 2012 5:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Well played, sir.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 2, 2012 11:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Siler

Victim #1 of the new and improved robin lopez.

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by stevedavis_ on Jan 3, 2012 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Yup

Hes coming for that number 1 spot!

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by phxpurple on Jan 3, 2012 12:55 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

I don't either

there are some games we need him just because of foul troubles. Plus, he’s the biggest body we’ve got. Though Shaq is no longer playing…

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 2, 2012 5:30 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Complete Sidenote

Here in England, the same team that bought you the new Doctor Who TV series also re vamped the Sherlock franchise and bought him to the modern era for BBC TV.

it is the best thing on tv you need to go get the dvd of the first season and season 2 episode 2 was on yesterday and blew my mind and everyone else who watched it mostly i highly recommend it

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by phxuk: Ap on Jan 2, 2012 5:15 PM MST reply actions  

It's on my list!

It’s been on my Netflix queue for the longest time.

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by noonoo on Jan 2, 2012 5:34 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions  

oops season 2 ep 1 was on

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by phxuk: Ap on Jan 2, 2012 5:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I seen it!!

Luv it!!! The guy that plays Sherlock is insane ( in a good way) plus Watson is Bilbo Baggins..!

Soo, it turns out I was right!!! Kinda disappointed now..

by Aztiramtempe on Jan 2, 2012 5:59 PM MST up reply actions  

season 1 or season 2 ep 1?

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by phxuk: Ap on Jan 2, 2012 6:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Season 1,

I found on Netflix last year. I don’t think BBC America showed it. Can’t wait for season 2..

Soo, it turns out I was right!!! Kinda disappointed now..

by Aztiramtempe on Jan 2, 2012 6:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Benedict Cumberbatch!!!

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by noonoo on Jan 2, 2012 7:57 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions  

That is an amazing name..

Oh by way.. Hi noonoo!!! Long time!!!
Have you watched the new season of Doctor who?

Soo, it turns out I was right!!! Kinda disappointed now..

by Aztiramtempe on Jan 2, 2012 8:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Hi!!!

I love his name. And yes, I have.

Cannot wait for the new season. Don’t want to say goodbye to The Nose!

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by noonoo on Jan 2, 2012 9:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Gortat has a part in Doctor Who?

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 2, 2012 11:34 PM MST up reply actions  

His nose does.

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by noonoo on Jan 2, 2012 11:50 PM MST up reply actions  

1:30PM AZ time

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by AcucracK on Jan 2, 2012 5:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Suns Wins AND Scott's not crabby...

This is a good day despite Suns legend Garret Siler getting waived….

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 2, 2012 5:25 PM MST reply actions  

Suns legend Garret Siler

HA!

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by AcucracK on Jan 2, 2012 5:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Suns Legend?

What planet are you from Siler is yet another failed suns experiment, although I would have rather seen Telfair be gone

by Wolfen5318 on Jan 2, 2012 6:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Sarcasm good sir

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by AcucracK on Jan 2, 2012 6:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't like the phrase

“Failed suns experiment”. It implies they should have succeeded. “Unsuccessful roll of the dice” is more accurate. Siler was worth a punt, especially if Lopez had come out this season sucking.

by MMotherwell on Jan 2, 2012 6:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Nope. Suns legend.

As far as I’m concerned he’s the greatest center this franchise has ever had.

No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.

by Scott Howard on Jan 2, 2012 6:34 PM MST up reply actions  

behind Zarko Carpgarbage...

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 2, 2012 7:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Shows how little you know.

Greatest Center list: Siler, Voshkul, Kempton, then Cabarkapa

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by Scott Howard on Jan 2, 2012 7:03 PM MST up reply actions  

No Earl Barron??!

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by AcucracK on Jan 2, 2012 7:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Where's Earl Barron in that list of Center superiority...?

Do you freaking homework, Scott…!

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 2, 2012 7:04 PM MST up reply actions  

No Horacio Llamas?

Or does mentioning him count as Mexican Studies and is not legal in Arizona?

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by Mike Lisboa on Jan 2, 2012 7:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Dude. Shhhh

No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.

by Scott Howard on Jan 2, 2012 8:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Joe is on his way to your house…and he’s angry

Enough Bitchin' lets do this

by 2NASHTY on Jan 3, 2012 2:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Voskuhl?

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 2, 2012 11:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Bullsh*t

Where is stefano rusconi on your list and horacio llamas?

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by stevedavis_ on Jan 3, 2012 9:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Lottery here we come!!

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by AcucracK on Jan 2, 2012 6:38 PM MST up reply actions  

No Lawal, No Siler, No Dowdell

We suddenly have no plays to delude ourselves about.

by MMotherwell on Jan 2, 2012 6:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Ha!

Redd at least COULD play, but let the delusion start!

Redd could be the next Jordan if the coaches would only trust him. We could win a title this year!!!!

by MMotherwell on Jan 2, 2012 6:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Dowdell did some nice things in the time he got though

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by JoeCB1991 on Jan 2, 2012 9:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd be willing to bet Siler has pretty good per-36 and 48 minute stats.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 2, 2012 11:37 PM MST up reply actions  

16 and 10 isn't good for a 3rd string C we found in China?

Dowdell put up 15 and 6.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 3, 2012 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

sample size, folks. sample size.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 3, 2012 3:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I know, that was mostly tongue-in-cheek.

I just remember Siler seemingly scoring every time he came into the game with about a minute to go. Hard to move that much beef out of the lane. Also, I was trying to check to Dowdell romanticizing a little bit.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 3, 2012 3:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm watching now and

Boy, are we missing shots! Shots we usually make.

by MMotherwell on Jan 2, 2012 5:28 PM MST reply actions  

how are you watching it now????

is there a link to it, or is it being replayed somewhere?

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 2, 2012 5:31 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I would assume DVR perhaps

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by AcucracK on Jan 2, 2012 5:35 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah. duh. I just realized that.

haven’t joined that technology revolution yet, so I never think about it.

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 2, 2012 5:36 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Geez, it's hard to believe

that we are one Jared Dudley jumper away from having a winning record.

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by PHXSunsRunNGun on Jan 2, 2012 5:30 PM MST reply actions  

It's a crazy season.

We might as well go 1-4 or 4-1 the next few games.
Dallas plays pretty bad right now, the Blazers are probably better than us (but who knows), we should handle the Bucks, probably lose to the lakers and beat the cavs. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Bogut kills us with Gortat hobbled and Mavs wake up just in time to handle us another defeat…

Feed the cutter!!!

by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 2, 2012 5:45 PM MST up reply actions  

right

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 2, 2012 5:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Poor Garret Siler.

New episode of How I Met Your Mother tonight!

Once you go Nash, you won't wanna go back.

by NashMV3 on Jan 2, 2012 5:40 PM MST reply actions  

love that show

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by phxuk: Ap on Jan 2, 2012 5:44 PM MST up reply actions  

when the hell is gonna meet thier mother

at this point the kids should be getting engaged.

Enough Bitchin' lets do this

by 2NASHTY on Jan 2, 2012 7:28 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Too bad Siler wasnt on How I Met Your Mother tonight

No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.

by Scott Howard on Jan 2, 2012 10:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Morris gives me hope

Glad to see a rookie of ours competing.

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by Skii on Jan 2, 2012 6:01 PM MST reply actions  

He should get more minutes

Weird to me that he is playing so well and averaging so few minutes. Good to see him get 32 this game.

by MMotherwell on Jan 2, 2012 6:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Warrick is playing well, and Lopez/Frye/Gortat have precedence over minutes for at least a few weeks.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 2, 2012 6:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Morris still is the most 4 like 4

He looks and plays like one.

Hak has looked best as a 3 so far IMHO, and Lopez has looked solid, but Morris has looked really good.

by MMotherwell on Jan 2, 2012 6:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Tough to mention him in the same sentence as Gortat/ Lopez

He would have to fight for rebounds against their best/ biggest rebounder or kave Frye do it for him. Both ain’t gonna work.

So he is competing for minutes against Frye and Warrick – War Machine is doing pretty great considering his showing last year and I think the whole coaching squad knows that Frye is key to us making a run at the playoffs.

They are not ready yet to demote him to bench or limit to 15 minutes a night, we all know he will break out and start hitting that 3 eventually.

I guess Morris will get an average of around 20 minutes this season. If he stays productive he will average around 12/7 and that’s as good as it gets in here

Feed the cutter!!!

by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 3, 2012 6:30 AM MST up reply actions  

agreed. Barring injury/trade.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 3, 2012 6:43 AM MST up reply actions  

12 & 7 from a Suns rookie will make me happy...

Should even make Scott crack a smile…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 3, 2012 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Still undefeated when I attended a Suns game.

Told you all and youre welcome. :P

BTW has all the games been so empty or is it because of the holiday?

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by Revkrazy on Jan 2, 2012 6:04 PM MST reply actions  

I think it's safe to say that we picked the right Morris!!

Morris is playing in his 5th NBA game holy crap this dude is everywhere He may become Amare except this dude can play defense!!! Go Suns!!! Can you imagine if they had a training camp!?!?!?!?!

by Wolfen5318 on Jan 2, 2012 6:10 PM MST reply actions  

woah

Chill on comparing Morris to Stat for now… too soon for that crazy talk

by Will Smith on Jan 2, 2012 6:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm just sayin!

Dude has some serious potential and to get a return like this on a rookie is way more than the Suns ever imagined they expected him to be a utility player play a lil D and grab a couple boards, nothing like this

by Wolfen5318 on Jan 2, 2012 6:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree he’s already better than WE thought. However, I’ll bet the FO imagined this.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 2, 2012 6:42 PM MST up reply actions  

They were just hoping him not to be Earl Clark...

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by Daryl Ray on Jan 2, 2012 7:10 PM MST up reply actions  

you’re confusing THEY with WE, aren’t you?

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 2, 2012 9:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe.

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by Daryl Ray on Jan 3, 2012 5:42 AM MST up reply actions  

well...

I wouldn’t go bananas about him,

He is playing pretty good but he is a tad too small to be our main frontcourt solution. I don’t see him stopping any good PF on defense right now.

For him to be a main part of the rotation he needs to improve his defense and fast

Feed the cutter!!!

by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 3, 2012 6:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Morris is more Rasheed Wallace/Horace Grant (or even Kurt Thomas) than Amare.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 2, 2012 6:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Totally agree. He’s a lot like Rasheed, just without the crazy. We got a huge steal at #13. :)

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 2, 2012 6:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Teams overrate potential and odd skills for a position

Markus has more skills, but Kief is exactly what a 4 is supposed to be, and in many cases, better .

This is my favourite tool – http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=160 – and it shows, although early, that Kief is above average for a PF in everything except TO (2.8 vs 2.4), fouls (8.5 – a WOEFUL figure), FGA and FTA – and the later two are because his number is never called.

I think Kief can be an above average, in all facets, PF in the NBA, and sooner rather than later.

by MMotherwell on Jan 2, 2012 7:16 PM MST up reply actions  

agreed. Let’s just let him continue to earn the minutes before giving them away.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 2, 2012 9:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Blasphemy! Please don't compare him to Sheed...

He had Top 10 post game in the NBA in his day and could break anyone on defense.
By the end of his career he was of course one of the most irritating players ever but I still love the guy.

By the way, greatest piece of writing to ever come out of Bill Simmons:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100407&sportCat=nba

enjoy

Feed the cutter!!!

by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 3, 2012 7:14 AM MST up reply actions  

not saying he’s Rasheed now, or ever will be Sheed in crazy. But his ceiling is that type of player on the court.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 3, 2012 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Noooooo way

Sheed had all the low-post moves in the book, the sweetest big man fade-away ever, huge hops and crazy b-ball IQ.

If he wasn’t such a lazy dumb-ass he would have been a player comparable to the all time greats.

I hate the “ceilings” – where are Kwame’s and Darko’s ceilings? they seemed great, right? I need to see some low post finesse from Kieff before I foresee greatness for him.

BTW how come they are both listed at 6’11 when you can easilly see Sheed is at least half a head higher? bollocks…

Feed the cutter!!!

by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 4, 2012 1:20 AM MST up reply actions  

lol, you have a funny man-crush

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 4, 2012 10:35 AM MST up reply actions  

I made the point about the post game the last time this was mentioned.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 3, 2012 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL

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by Revkrazy on Jan 2, 2012 6:12 PM MST reply actions  

Added some game notes

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by East Bay Ray on Jan 2, 2012 6:20 PM MST reply actions  

It’s nice to have a NBA ready rookie. Markieff saying all the right things in the post game interview.

by The Suns on Jan 2, 2012 6:22 PM MST reply actions  

Exactly. He plays the right way and knows what he’s doing out there. Wise beyond his years and scores and rebounds so effortlessly. Defense hasn’t been great, but he’s trying and will get better at it.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 2, 2012 7:03 PM MST up reply actions  

He does look a little lost at times

But he looks good defending the PnR, and he he just needs time. D is the one thing missing training camp would really hurt.

by MMotherwell on Jan 2, 2012 7:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Brown

Makes really bad decisions IMO

It’s like he thinks he’s Kobe from the time he spent backing him up.

He’s no Kobe.

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by Revkrazy on Jan 2, 2012 6:34 PM MST reply actions  

Price and Brown lack half court IQ

I like their D, but they stop the offence with their choices.

I watched a play where Price and Morris switch, Morris is on Ellis, backs him down to the left block, Price swings it to brown for the easy feed pass and Brown… drives AT Morris. Play breaks down, back out to Price who takes a contested 18 footer.

That play sums up Brown and Price. They don’t seem to understand the game of Basketball. We need to minimise their decision making – maybe play them with Hill more?

by MMotherwell on Jan 2, 2012 6:43 PM MST up reply actions  

It’s like he thinks he’s Kobe from the time he spent backing him up.

I was thinking the same thing

Enough Bitchin' lets do this

by 2NASHTY on Jan 2, 2012 7:32 PM MST up reply actions  

if he want to drive to them rim fine…But few players get to take long fade away jumpers and contested threes and not get called out. Shannon brown is not one of them.

Enough Bitchin' lets do this

by 2NASHTY on Jan 3, 2012 2:12 AM MST up reply actions  

He needs to drive off ball

He is great at finishing when he gets the ball while cutting or on fast break.
We cannot give him these opportunities so far.
He is an anti-ISO player…

Feed the cutter!!!

by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 3, 2012 7:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Great win.

I know its way early in the season but we should think about using our amnesty on Josh Childress. We obviously have no use for him if Warrick is going to play this well. Especially with the signing of Redd, we don’t even have room in an 11-man rotation for him. Its hard to justify having a guy making 27M/4yr sit the bench.

I like Josh Childress. I really do. I appreciate that he’s trying to become a Suns player with a better outside shot, but he’s just not good at it. We can call him Hill-lite all we want but until he start producing, he won’t get off the bench.

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by blank_38 on Jan 2, 2012 6:40 PM MST reply actions  

Suns have to pay the same money regardless. So why not have an insurance policy on the bench in case of injury?

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 2, 2012 6:43 PM MST up reply actions  

A 7 million insurance policy?

If something happens and he has to play meaningful minutes, we won’t be contending.

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by blank_38 on Jan 2, 2012 6:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Thats whats he's saying

We have to pay the guy anyway, so why not keep him in case of injury and see if he can find his way in our system. If something else better comes along we can always use it then.

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by AcucracK on Jan 2, 2012 7:02 PM MST up reply actions  

ah i understand now.

amnesty only helps those in the luxury tax.

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by blank_38 on Jan 2, 2012 7:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Or just over the cap enough that an amnesty will allow them (us) to sign someone.

Which, yeah, neither apply to us. So no point in an amnesty now.

borderline adequate

by waxmonkey on Jan 2, 2012 8:06 PM MST up reply actions  

all wrong.

the coaching staff needs to work on the identity of our bench.
Do we have to settle for outside shots no matter who is on the court???

Chilly at 3 Morris at 4 – Morris can step out on offence, Chilly can cut and hang around the rim (he is a great rebounder for his size).

What i’m saying is Chilly could have been better if we didn’t try to change who he is…

Feed the cutter!!!

by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 3, 2012 7:32 AM MST up reply actions  

So you’re suggesting changing the Suns’ style to suit Josh Childress better?

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 3, 2012 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

I think he is saying

Play JCHill as a 4, and Hak as a 3 together. Makes sense in a way.

by MMotherwell on Jan 3, 2012 2:32 PM MST up reply actions  

You got this
Play JCHill as a 4, and Hak as a 3 together

out of this?

Chilly at 3 Morris at 4

Because I went in a completely different direction. Interesting how people come to different conclusions.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Jan 3, 2012 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Ah sorry, I ment Morris

I think he means JChill can play like a 4 on O, and Morris can step outside and play like a 3/shooter on O, so they can play together.

I could be wrong, but rather than change the style of the Suns, he is saying change the role, with Morris a Shooter and JChill a scraps player.

by MMotherwell on Jan 3, 2012 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Well,

the 4s on our team shoot 3s too.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 3, 2012 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Odd huh?

Our 3’s can’t hit 3’s, but our 4’s can.

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by Beavis 25 on Jan 3, 2012 8:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow.

You think exactly right! :)
I’m not saying change the suns to fit Chill’s style. But indeed he could be utilized better if he were to scrap inside.

Great analysis of my analysis MM ;)

Feed the cutter!!!

by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 4, 2012 1:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Makes sense to me

Magic played PG on offence and 4 on D – with everyone moving down a spot. That was why AC Green and Byron Scott were so good for that team, because they could both slide down a position and be competent defenders.

by MMotherwell on Jan 4, 2012 1:44 AM MST up reply actions  

You can;t

Have to do it by a set date every season, that date has passed.

by MMotherwell on Jan 2, 2012 6:49 PM MST up reply actions  

New CBA

Any team can amnesty any player on their roster at the beginning of the season at any point during the new CBA. They still have to pay the player, but they lose the cap hit.

So, if they a) have to pay him no matter what, and b) have a mountain of cap space next season regardless of his contract, then what’s the rush to amnesty him? It’s house money at this point.

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by Mike Lisboa on Jan 2, 2012 7:21 PM MST up reply actions  

We'll need him at some point

We HAVE TO rest Hill in back-to-back-to-backs, and we’ll have injuries.

by MMotherwell on Jan 2, 2012 7:25 PM MST up reply actions  

exactly

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 2, 2012 9:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Suns win vs the warriors and the waiving of Garrett Siler.

Feels good that the suns got another win. The real test to see if we can be a playoff team will come against the mavs and then to see if we can put together some wins against the rest of the western conference elite.

I know it’d be nice to make the playoffs, but i’m really hoping to add a high lottery talent for our future rebuild.

Morris has brought back some excitement to the valley with his tough interior defense,athleticism and hustle. He’s definitely going to be a big part of our future, but we’ll need to surround him (as well as gortat and lopez with more talent and athleticism.

I like the bigs available in the 2012 draft alot, but it may be more prudent for us to upgrade our pointguard and wing positions given the age of our all-star players (nash,hill and redd).

Pointguard prospects like teague,marshall and kabongo could be the the next great pointman for the suns after nash.

Perry jones and michael kidd-gilchrest could fill the void at small-forward after hill retires.

Jeremy lamb and brad beal might be the future at shooting guard for the suns if we can draft either of them.

Add any one or two of those guys to mix with gortat,lopez morris and dudley and we have some potential star talent for the future.

by jay humphries on Jan 2, 2012 6:42 PM MST reply actions  

r u watching the same suns?

really hoping to add a high lottery talent for our future rebuild.

They are going to prove they can compete and build at the same time.

by rdgroce on Jan 2, 2012 7:28 PM MST up reply actions  

We are 9th in the west

Playoff implications?

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by sports_dude33 on Jan 2, 2012 6:46 PM MST reply actions  

Not surprising. We have different high scorers every game. Very balanced and I think the bench is still outscoring the starters. Hilarious.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 2, 2012 7:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Won't last I don't think

I figure we’ll settle into more Gortat and Nash PnR once Marcin’s thumb heals.

Still, so odd.

by MMotherwell on Jan 2, 2012 7:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Interestingly enough, Morris is averaging more points and rebounds per game than minnisota’s derrick williams. Can markieff develop into a star? Who knows. I’d like to see him become a horace grant type power forward.

As i mentioned above we’ll need to find him a great young pointguard (price is a very solid backup but not a consistent starter) so maybe we’ll finally draft one. Teague is an exciting and athletic scoring point who could bring back memories of kj with his scoring and slashing. He’s a pretty erratic playmaker though.

Kabongo is hailed as potentially another rondo, with his aggresive defense,ball-handling wizardry and gifted playmaking.

But the guy i like most for us right now if we drafted a pointguard would have to be kendall marshall. He’s not much of an athlete but he has the size and innate playmaking ability of a jason kidd. I’m sure if we drafted him everyone on the team(especially morris) would see their stats rise dramatically.

Two other guys i forgot to mention are harrison barnes and john henson. Barnes is talented enough to play either shooting guard or small forward and has the maturity and character of grant hill.

Henson is still skinny but is super-athletic and a tremendous rebounder and shotblocker. We could use him at small forward next to morris as a much better defensive version of warrick.

It’s alot of fun to imagine the suns nabbing one of the top lottery talents but if i had to narrow it down, i can see us choosing from marquis teague, harrison barnes or perry jones.

I can just close my eyes and envision one of those three as a definite future suns star. If we keep winning we’ll probably not stay in the top five of the lottery but i can’t see us running off enough wins in this shortened season to drop past the tenth pick(at worst).

If we don’t make the playoffs and don’t win the lottery and take drummond, who do we draft that fits and can be a future all-star for us?

by jay humphries on Jan 2, 2012 7:17 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

totally agree with your point. The Suns are still fighting for no-mans-land. Even hitting on 2 more Morrises in the teens won’t rebuild the team to a championship contender. We’ll see what happens over the next 8 months.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 2, 2012 9:08 PM MST up reply actions  

maybe we can trade for higher picks

or buy them the way the Celtics bought Rondo from us.

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 3, 2012 12:03 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

There are as many busts at 2 and 3

As at 13 – see former Sun Stromile Swift

The theory that you need high picks just isn’t true, ALTHOUGH it helps. The best example is Boston, lead by two 5ths (Allen, Garnett), a 10 (Pierce) and a (Rondo).

The key is to get assets, and to go all in when you get the chance.

by MMotherwell on Jan 3, 2012 2:11 AM MST up reply actions  

while 2s and 3s can be busts, championship-winning franchise players have come almost exclusively with a top-5 pick.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 3, 2012 6:44 AM MST up reply actions  

1s can bet busts as well..

Think “Olawakandi” and shudder….

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by Daryl Ray on Jan 3, 2012 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Greg oden, kwame brown too

But look at griffin. Or Durant at no 2. I think a top 5 has a much better shot at greatness than 10-15, which is likely where we will be again without picking up someone’s higher pick. It would be great to pick up a really high “sure thing” draft player and a superstar FA if possible, but MM is also right that there are absolutely no guarantees either way.

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 3, 2012 1:54 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

My guess would be that better players are generally drafted higher.

Just a guess.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Jan 3, 2012 2:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Generally you are correct

But the real question is how to build a roster that can compete. Minnesota had Garnett for ages and rarely competed. Since he left they’ve been even worse.

Clippers are perennial losers, Sacramento is terrible, Millwaukee has been bad forever and Nola couldn’t do much with Chris Paul.

Tanking is a terrible method for building, and for every success there just as many failures. Smart use of cap space, solid draft choices, good trades and KEEPING good players is the key. Boston never wins without Paul Pierce, and the Lakers never win without the Gasol trade.

I just don;t think tanking is ever smart, and that top 5 pick everyone covets is one piece of 8, with 3 all-stars, that you need to rebuild – and even then you need to get lucky.

by MMotherwell on Jan 3, 2012 2:42 PM MST up reply actions  

My thoughts.

The Suns front office has decided not to tank.

If a person thinks they should tank, then he probably thinks the front office is incompetent for not doing so.

Why would a person want to trust a top 5 pick to people that are incompetent?

Therefore they should not tank because, by this logic, they would bungle the selection anyway.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Jan 3, 2012 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Excellent logic.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 3, 2012 3:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Before the Kings tanked, they were as we were now

They tried to hang onto the glory days when the ship had already sunk. They put off rebuilding and now look at them. Yeah, they’ll eventually become a good team again whether they’re in a new city or not, but had they not put off the rebuilding process, they could now be enjoying a young, talented and rising team like the Thunder. Instead, they decided upon 4 hopeless years of conbuilding and pretention.

Can’t compare the Suns to the Clippers. The Clipps have always sucked because their owner has always sucked.

Millwaukee is just a terrible place for an NBA team. Yet, they still managed to dish out a few contending seasons here and there and they obviously have never really tanked or been bad forever as you would suggest. See, http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/. They’ve remained a mediocre to below average team lately, but there aren’t many terrible seasons as you would think. In other words, they haven’t been doing bad enough.

New Orleans Hornets have only been around for like 6 or 7 years.

It took the Bulls 7 years before they made the playoffs after they broke their dynasty up, but it’s because they made stupid moves. They got really good players through the draft, they just traded the only guy that could really become a franchise player. That player was Elton Brand. They should have built around him instead of trading him for Tyson Chandler.

Minny after the KG era had Al Jefferson, a pretty good player who picked up some big injuries. Now, they finally look like they’re going in the right direction as long as they re-sign Kevin Love and he doesn’t get hurt.

I don’t understand why you don’t like the idea of rebuilding for a top 5 pick? It’s worked and with the teams that it hasn’t, it’s only because of luck or bad ownership/other moves. The other strategies have worked to, but so far I can’t find any evidence that the conbuilding and pretention strategy works.

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by Beavis 25 on Jan 3, 2012 9:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t understand why you don’t like the idea of rebuilding for a top 5 pick?

I don ’t, and if I implied that apologies. That said, let me start with this

It’s worked and with the teams that it hasn’t, it’s only because of luck or bad ownership/other moves.

Name one. I can’t. San Antonio and Miami won with a top 5 pick – but in the case of Miami, Wade was 5th in the best draft, well, close to ever, as 4 of the top 5 were excellent. And San Antonio won because they already had David Robinson, and tanked while keeping all their good players.

So, who tanked intentionally, got this mystical top 5 pick and then won? Denver? Nope, they did bugger all when they had Carmelo.

Toronto? They had Bosh and the 1st pick in the draft and sucked.

Memphis? They tanked by trading Gasol, and got Mike Conley 4th then Mayo 5th. Neither of those 2 top 5 picks are the prime reason they are doing well.

I just can’t find an example of “tank intentionally” that works out well. Seattle/OKC is the best example in the last 10 years, and a big part of that was the 2 picks we gave them, that gave them options. If we could get a deal like that, I’d have more faith, but the one pick a year lottery strategy has a very low success rate.

But that aside, even if I conceded it was possible to tank and recover, the bigger questions are:

1. What is the best way to tank? and
2. Is tanking the ONLY option? Everyone implies it is, but why? What magical advantage does tanking and picking top 5 have over, say, acquiring assets and signing FAs and making trades?

As far as I can tell, the best methodology seems to be to get quality players, and to keep them. I can’t see how tanking is the only strategy, and I think it is NOT for us, in the position we are in, the wisest move.

A top 5 pick is just NOT a panacea, and is rarely the primary reason a team gets back.

by MMotherwell on Jan 4, 2012 1:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Well put

I’m with you on this one.

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by brian13 on Jan 4, 2012 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Chicago, they're back on their feat and could be competing for years to come.

Your limiting it down to a top 5 pick, but we can’t be assured we’d even get that. Still, no worries. Top 10 picks in good drafts have really good talented players. It’s the 11-20 range that usually produces the role players. We don’t want another role player.

Anyway, we achieved it too when we tanked in 03-04. Not only did we get a higher pick which we should have kept, but we got more cap space that allowed us to sign two good players and extend Marion.

I can’t see how tanking is the only strategy, and I think it is NOT for us, in the position we are in, the wisest move.

It isn’t. This is where we just have to agree to disagree. I think the wisest move for us would be to do all three: draft (tank), sign (free agency) and trade (Gortat/Frye/Dudley/Nash…).

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by Beavis 25 on Jan 4, 2012 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Chicago hit the jackpot with Rose. Them getting that first pick was pure luck.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 4, 2012 4:12 PM MST up reply actions  

But that assummes

The trades are GOOD. What do you want back for Nash, cap space or assets? Any trade gets us bugger all – no one wants Nash except maybe Miami.

by MMotherwell on Jan 5, 2012 4:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Late first round pick?

Hell no. We’ll have cap space with his contract expiring.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 5, 2012 10:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Miami's PGs are playing very well right now.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 5, 2012 10:41 PM MST up reply actions  

What does it matter?

Name a contender who has a top 5 pick they drafted and kept? OKC, Miami (LeBron is their main star), Orlando. Dallas, Lakers, Boston all got their best in trades.

The picking top 5 obsession is one of those common wisdoms that is just plain wrong. To win championships you need great players, and you need to get them HOWEVER you can, not tank.

by MMotherwell on Jan 3, 2012 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Big markets have an advantage in terms

of getting superstars through trades and free agency.

Smaller markets (OKC) are more likely to get a star through the draft.

I think most Suns fans align themselves with the OKC mentality than the South Beach strategy.

The Suns have tried their hand at several different strategies. They drafted well (Nash, Stoudemire), they made good free agent signings (Nash), they traded for stars (Barkley), and just missed the top pick on the flip of a coin (Alcindor). They’ve been close lots of ways.

There are many paths to victory and each one takes a unique amalgamation of skill and luck to navigate successfully.

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by Jim Coughenour on Jan 3, 2012 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Exactly - LUCK

Everyoie acts like a top 5 pick is some sort of silver bullet, and that getting one is vital. Given luck is important, why not maximise the number of ways you can be lucky?

If you can roll one die, you have one chance to be lucky. If you can roll 3, you are giving yourself far more chances.

by MMotherwell on Jan 3, 2012 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t understand this

OKC – Durant
Miami – Wade
Orlando – Howard
Dallas – Dirk
Boston – Paul Pierce

Add in (while they were contenders):
SA – Duncan, Robinson
New Orleans – Chris Paul
Phoenix – Amare

All started with a cornerstone and acquired from there. Suns need a new cornerstone.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 3, 2012 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

We had him.

But those idiots in the FO released Silo.

No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.

by Scott Howard on Jan 3, 2012 3:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Are we talking about an actual cornerstone for a new arena?

In that case, Silo would be perfect.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 3, 2012 3:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Of all those

Only Durant (2) and Wade (5) were top 5.

Of the “and in”, Robinson won nothing until they tanked and TRADED NO ONE and got Duncan first.

Look at teams like Detroit with Hill, Dallas with Mashburn, Kidd and Jim Jackson. Sacramento with Tyreke. Top 5 pick just isn’t a panacea, and most teams win because they make extra moves that help.

Heck, the Lakers won in two eras purely with trades and FA (Shaq first, then trading Shaq for pieces that got them Odom and Gasol).

by MMotherwell on Jan 4, 2012 1:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Not true

Not even close.

Kobe, Pierce, Dirk as just three, and we can add Ginobli to the list as well.

But even if it is true, as I showed, you are as likely to get said player in a trade as in the draft. Kidd was top two, Chandler top 5, and Dallas got both in trades. Heck, Garnett and Chris Paul were traded – anything is possible.

by MMotherwell on Jan 3, 2012 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

There are plenty of exceptions -

Bird (6), Havlicek (7), Dr. J (12), Kobe (13), and yes Mr. Nashtastic (15), but by and large the best players in the history of the game have went in the top 5 of the draft.

There are a lot more Magics, Jordans, and Russells in the top 5 than there are at 6 and below combined.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Jan 3, 2012 2:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Kobe and Nash were both traded.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 3, 2012 2:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I think I missed something.

Please expound.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Jan 3, 2012 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

I believe part of their argument is that picking the top 5 player yourself isn't the only way to acquire one.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 3, 2012 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

But those guys weren't top 5 picks.....

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Jan 3, 2012 4:07 PM MST up reply actions  

I think we're getting the different points being mixed up into one discussion.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 3, 2012 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Really, you'd need to make a list

And then check.

But again, even if I concede the point, ho are you most likely to get a player like that – draft, FA or trade? If ONLY draft, then tank. If it is any of the above, stockpiling cap space and assets, ala Boston before they got Allen and Garnett, is just as valid.

by MMotherwell on Jan 3, 2012 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

It just depends upon the market of the team.

The Lakers can attract really good free agents. They have rebuilt through free agency(Shaq) and trade(Gasol) in the past 15+ years.

OKC went the draft route and got Westbrook and others to surround Durant.

The Celtics surprisingly chose the draft route too and they landed Antoine Walker and Paul Pierce. They picked up 1 all-star and a franchise player.

The Mavs went the draft route and got Dirk.

The Suns have tried all three routes and have had a lot of success despite their failure to win a championship, so tanking isn’t a bad thing. I don’t see what’s wrong with that.

I guess your argument is why do that when you can just do the other two because they also work?

My answer would be because we don’t have any young, potential, star talent on this team and so it would be tough to recruit a franchise player through free agency without that kind of talent already existing. So with that said, why not try all three?

Draft, Trade and Free agency. We can do it too. We have Gortat who’s already in his prime and many teams would be interested in him. We also have Frye and Dudley. Any combination of those players could earn us a young star who could help with recruiting superstar talent in the summer. Now, if we tank as well, then we’d get a top 10 pick who would also help to recruit a franchise player. We’d now have 2-3 young stars to rebuild around.

We can’t really tank though if Nash is still here and ballin. That’s why we need to trade him. Package him with a guy like Gortat and holy crap, we could get someone good. OR, we can do two separate trades. Doing it through all three ways means we’d have a bigger chance at landing a franchise star. Problem is, our FO only wants to go one route which means we’d have a bigger shot at striking out, especially when the best of the best next off-season will be out of our reach.

Hanging onto Steve Nash and Grant Hill is just putting off the opportunity to land more star talent while increasing the length of the rebuilding process. Yeah, I understand, loyalty….At the same time, at least show those guys some loyalty and make the team better. With the money our FO used to sign Telfair, Price and Brown, we could have gotten a good SG and still managed to bring in one good player next off-season to go with Nash and Hill who hopefully would re-sign for cheap. That’s not a terrible plan, if they want to try 2 more years at competing. However, we don’t know if Nash and Hill are committed to re-signing. If they aren’t, then what’s this whole deal about loyalty? Loyalty should be a two way thing, not one way.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Jan 3, 2012 10:05 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree with you on this one Beavis 25

The rebuilding process could be a lot quicker than normal because if we packaged Nash and Gortat together we would get something very good back, be it player or draft picks.

Then their would be our own pick which i would be pretty high if we are without Nash and Gortat. Plus a ton of money to spend next season i believe we could retool very quickly.

This season would be the perfect time to build for the future. Just like the 2003 season we cleared money and had a decent pick, which we gave to the Bulls for jack squat. Signed Nash and Q-Rich and boom! 2004 was born and we got to run and gun and fun.

We don’t have the young legs for the “Time to rise” thyme. We need this franchise to be reborn with the next generation of Suns players. A new owner would help too.

by Sunderstruck on Jan 4, 2012 1:22 AM MST up reply actions  

From who?

The best we could hope for trading Nash + Gortat is what? Chris Bosh?

This year is the perfect year to appreciate what we have – because we ain’t getting nothing of value for Nash.

by MMotherwell on Jan 4, 2012 1:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Chris Bosh isn't so bad.

He never had much around him in Toronto. What would the Thunder give for Nash and Gortat? Are they thinking about paying Westbrook or trading him. Maybe Harden? Maybe both?

The Wolves have plenty of young talent and they can’t keep everyone. It wouldn’t be hard to swipe something of value right from under his inept management brain trust.

The Suns have to be pro-active and make some calls. We all appreciate the player Nash has been, and still is. But this season is going to be hard to watch, and harder still in another time zone and hemisphere. :)

by Sunderstruck on Jan 4, 2012 2:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Wolves don’t want Nash. It’s full-on Rubio. They might trade Beasley for Gortat, but I’d want no part of that.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 4, 2012 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

We'd get something for Nash other than our own first round pick becoming a top 5 or 10 pick.

We wouldn’t get as much as we want, but it’d be something. Although, I believe we would get a really good player back if we packaged him with Gortat. If not, we’d still get something back and then we could always package Gortat with a combination of Frye or Dudley for something else good. Now would be the last chance we could do it. It actually would have been better had our FO traded Nash last summer or last deadline, but we can’t go back now. Time to think about the future.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Jan 4, 2012 12:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Nash comes off the books in 2012. That space has value. As much, if not more, than whatever we get for Nash – and that won’t be much.

by MMotherwell on Jan 5, 2012 4:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for the game notes

I missed the game, and they help a lot.
Seems like the shots finally started to fall in the 4th. Hope they just keep falling from here on out.

How was the effort and chemistry today? Anne was there some better chem with the 2nd unit? Is the team gelling any better?

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 2, 2012 7:22 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

was great as usual

starting to be a bit more consistant, might take a few more games, but very deep team is going to be huge down the stretch

by rdgroce on Jan 2, 2012 7:33 PM MST reply actions  

back-to back-to back

ESPN is hard on the suns right now and puffing up teams like Clips and NY, but watch these teams that have no bench tire out later on in the season. Might be over optimistic but based on depth, I see suns in 6-4 seed range.

by rdgroce on Jan 2, 2012 7:37 PM MST reply actions  

ESPN's bottom line is money...

They are going to go after any team that will make them money…The Clips with Blake & Paul are it right now as well as the Carmelo led Knicks. That’s Network prostitution for you…Do it for whoever can get them the dollars…

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by Daryl Ray on Jan 2, 2012 7:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh yeah and nice win Suns!

Wish I could have watched but I had to work :(
Plus the damn Badgers lost the Rose Bowl, but it was a fun game.

Yeah Packers! Yeah Badgers?! cmon NBA, quit screwing the fans!

by thedoovage on Jan 2, 2012 7:49 PM MST reply actions  

Great win !

We played really well, it was nice to see Nash and Morris take over the game.

by troglodytes on Jan 2, 2012 8:36 PM MST reply actions  

I am loving what Morris is doing right now

Hope he continues to beast in purple and orange for years to come

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by JoeCB1991 on Jan 2, 2012 9:46 PM MST reply actions  

Beef

I like this nickname for him. Also heard ‘Chuck Morris’, awesome

by rdgroce on Jan 2, 2012 10:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice win by the Suns.

Maybe they should rest Gortat until his finger comes good. Start Lopez and Morris together and have Frye and Warrick in the second unit.

Morris looks the goods so far he might end up being a 20-10 PF in a couple of years. He reminds me a bit of Horace Grant and Kurt Thomas. If he has a career like either one of them he will be a great player for us.

Next up the Mavs, lets get a winning streak going. Go Suns.

by Sunderstruck on Jan 2, 2012 11:40 PM MST reply actions  

Both Warrick and Frye can't D

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by jatrex4suns on Jan 3, 2012 4:33 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

And Lopez is completely inconsistant so far.

Not sure about his improved athletic ability.

He had that crazy dunk to start with and against GS he was running like he dropped his glasses somewhere on the court and was looking for them each fast break..

Feed the cutter!!!

by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 3, 2012 7:38 AM MST up reply actions  

on the contair

Frye is averaging almost 10 rb a game; what i am saying is give him credit for recognizing those weeknesses and improving; he will have better D as the season moves along; as for Warrick, just glad to see his outside shot with his dunks; bad habits are hard to break so give Elston time to mend, just saying

by rdgroce on Jan 3, 2012 7:49 AM MST up reply actions  

We beat an injury riddled warriors team without it’s all-star power forward. I still can’t see this team in the playoff hunt until we prove we can beat teams like the mavs,thunder or lakers on a consistent basis.

If we can’t beat all the elite teams in the west and make it to the finals and win it all, then what’s the point of making the playoffs?

I want this team to either be good enough to be considered a real title contender or i want them to rebuild. There can be no middle ground. What happened to setting a goal of attaining a championship? Now we are supposed to rejoice if we barely make it in to the playoffs? We should expect more given the history of this franchise.

The game has changed, yet our front office stubbornly refuses to change with the times. That’s why we’ve been getting blown out by the younger more athletic teams in the league. Nash and hill are nba hall of famers but they are a year or two away from retirement and when we eventually lose them, we will be left with a team full of solid role players but no up and coming stars.

Morris has been a very pleasant surprise but i wouldn’t expect him to make an Amare-like impact in his rookie season. Is he one of the better rookies, yes. But he isn’t a star yet and we need more young talent to realistically compete against teams like the thunder,grizzlies,clippers and blazers.

If the suns make the playoffs everyone will feel good about this team and it’s direction. That is until we get eliminated (most likely in the first round). Guys like westbrook.williams and howard will not sign with the suns just because we have the most money to throw at them, it’ll be enticing to them but not as appealing as joining a younger,more talented team with a number of years to make a run at a title.

What can we offer those guys aside from money? The chance to play with an aging nash and hill?

So we have two choices, make a very deep and unexpected playoff run(highly unlikely) or Go for a home run in the draft and add a future cornerstone player in the lottery.

Aside from adding markieff, it feels like this team is trapped in the ssol era playing for past glories instead of trying to adapt and improve for the forseeable future.

Like it or not the 2012 draft holds the key to this team’s future, but maybe it’s just better for everybody if the suns break even.

by jay humphries on Jan 3, 2012 12:34 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Well, aren’t you just a buzzkill? Personally, if you gave me a choice between making the playoffs every single year and never winning a championship, or missing the playoffs every year but making it once and winning the championship, I’d take the playoffs. I’d rather be good every single year and have something to root for every single year. I hope we make the playoffs no matter what. I would never tank for any draft.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 3, 2012 1:09 AM MST up reply actions  

well said

get off amare Jay Humphries, please. he has 2 rebounds a night on average. This team is more like a 6 seed as is; if bonehead Brooks didn’t chase a geisha, and now with Redd, we would be even in better shape. Listen, this team is very deep, trust me, this will be huge for us late in the season. Every team lead by Nash has taken about 8 games to gel. Right now. 2 preseason and 5 regular season games is normaly a preseason. Be patience, only a few teams in the west fear me.

by rdgroce on Jan 3, 2012 4:27 AM MST up reply actions  

This is my opinion too.

As much as I want an Anthony Davis, I will never support tanking. I’d rather have what we’ve had for most of my time here than going the MIN/LAC/SAC route and sucking for years and years in the hopes that it will work out like OKC did. I just want to see my team have a chance to win every game I watch.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 3, 2012 3:39 PM MST up reply actions  

You understand what we mean by tanking right?

It doesn’t mean to purposely put forth a bad effort and lose. It means to trade away your aging star, so your team can suck no matter how hard they play, thus earning a high draft pick. It’s not a bad way. We may actually end up sucking for more years if we don’t do this because Nash and Hill will be gone very soon.

Now there are other forms of tanking, but I don’t support them.

Maybe it’s just me, I just find it harder to watch a team that’s hopelessly trying to make the playoffs.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Jan 3, 2012 10:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Purposely fielding a team that does not have a shot to compete to me is the same thing pretty much. A healthy portion of this is my love for Nash (after all, he is the reason I adopted the Suns as my team), but I have no problems with what we’ve been since I’ve been watching. Only one team can win it every year.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 3, 2012 10:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Perhaps, but I'd say forming a team that can barley make the playoffs is worse.

They’re being disloyal to Nash and Hill by forcing them to play through a 66 game season without the hope of becoming a good team, thus wearing down their old bodies. Had they gone out and signed a good SG instead of Telfair and Brown, I’d have more respect for them and then to me they’d be forming a team that can actually compete because right now I don’t think we can compete. We got crushed by the Thunder and 6ers and managed to only crush a couple bad teams who were without one of their best players. That’s not competing. Looking back, this season may be considered a waste of time.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Jan 4, 2012 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I suppose one could look at this situation one way and another the other.

Would we be purposely fielding a bad team in order to get young talent? Yes, however one could say that we’d be purposely fielding a future team with less talent if we don’t admit that the Nash days are over and finish the first phase of the rebuilding process now.

Tanking isn’t bad, it’s a strategy that hurts in the short run, but makes up for the pain in the long run. Not tanking can make the pain not so bad in the short run, yet can make it worse in the long run. It’s a pick your poison type of thing. Both ways have their risk, and we wouldn’t be wrong by doing one way, but the safest way to rebuild would be doing all three of trading, drafting and signing and in order to do the draft way, we’d have to tank unless Nash gets hurt. Doing all three decreases the chances of us striking out on some good talent. I’d just prefer our FO go that route, but that might just be me and few others. We can agree to disagree.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Jan 4, 2012 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I think most fans disagree

If we count attendance as a vote, teams that win more get better attendance. Most people would rather watch competitive BBall than build for the future – and a 22-60 team would be AWFUL to watch – it really would.

by MMotherwell on Jan 4, 2012 1:40 AM MST up reply actions  

No it wouldn't

I’ve watch that before. As long as you know that you’re a rebuilding team, it’s not so bad. Yeah, it would decrease attendance, but that doesn’t mean a gigantic number of fans would stop watching or following the team. It just means that less of them wouldn’t bother to go to the games when they can just stay home and watch them from TV. As soon as the Team gets good again, they’d all come back to the Arena and more because of the bandwagon fans. I know it’d suck in the short run, but trust me, it’d be better in the long run. Plus, you say a team like that would be awful to watch, but thing is, it’s going to be that way as soon as Nash and Hill retire anyway. Might as well start now instead of wasting time.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Jan 4, 2012 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

it’s not so bad.

That may be how you feel, but I’ve spent plenty of time at Canis Hoopus. I don’t want to go through what they’ve had to suffer through.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 4, 2012 4:21 PM MST up reply actions  

MOST fans

Look at attendance records and I am 100% correct. You specifically? I have no comment, because statistics only speak in broad brush stokes.

by MMotherwell on Jan 5, 2012 4:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Hard not to feel this way

But, in the end, more than anything, I’d like to watch my team play hard every night and competing. And this team does have a chance to do that. If they do, honestly, I’m happy. I think it is what the FO is going for.

Now the trick is what happens next season and thereafter, and should they bomb now for that future. Tho my feelings have been with your sentiments on this subject, the more I’ve thought about it all, I think it is just all a gamble no matter what direction they take. So, why not stay competitive this year?

They’ll have cAp space next year to make moves. They can trade for high pick, or buy them from others. They can attempt to keep old vets for min money. I mean to say they have options open, which is great. I’m just not sure it’s a good idea to bomb right now. Show off what we got and maybe we can attract dWill or Rusell Westbrook . Who knows.

Let’s see what we can do, and let future flexibility bring us what it can. I’m the meantime I’m hopping for a hard working overachieving playoff success story. Or. A organically occurring bomb of a season with high draft pick. But as long as my team has heart, I’ll love watching.

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by sun-arc on Jan 3, 2012 1:22 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Why the Dichotomy?

Why is it blow up or be brilliant? I just don’t get it.

Everyone seems to forget that the 7SOL Suns were built by drafting late lotto (Marion, Amare) and just plain late (Barbosa), trading smartly (JJ, KT and Diaw), and free agency (Nash and Richardson). Sure, we didn’t win a title, but we did bloody well, especially for a team that traded away Deng, Rondo, Fernandez and the pick that became Ibaka.

What would you have suggested in 2003-04? That year, the Suns traded good players (Marbury especially) for the right to have cap space the next season. That got us not a good pick (we traded 7th away), but Nash and a 62 win season.

You can build teams lots of ways. Consider all the teams that have won since MJ retired – the Lakers (two eras – Shaq and Gasol), San Antonio (two eras – Robinson & Ginobli), Miami, Detroit, Dallas and Boston. Only ONE team – San Antonio – was lead by a top 3 pick they drafted to a title, first with TD and Robinson, then just TD. In fact, the only other team that had a top 5 pick they drafted was Miami with Wade at 5.

All the others – Dallas (Dirk 9th), Boston (Pierce 10th), Lakers (Kobe 13th) and Detroit (Prince at 23) – had not a single player they drafted higher than 9 in a significant role (Darko just DOES NOT count).

So everyone needs to have hope, and stop obsessing about picking high. You can build a winner LOTS of ways, and as of next year we’ll have options. You play the cards you have, IMHO, and what we have now is a solid, near playoff roster, very few bad contracts after this season and lots of 2012 cap space. We can also amnesty JChill or Hak, meaning we have even more options.

So I ask, can we all get behind this Suns team, and enjoy quite possibly the final year of Nash, and then dream about tomorrow, well, tomorrow?

by MMotherwell on Jan 3, 2012 2:47 AM MST up reply actions   3 recs

Amen to that

I feel these Suns will give us some great moments.

I guess with Morris developing like we hope we are two pieces away from competing – a post-Nash point guard (doesn’t have to be a franchise star) and a dominant shooter.

We might as well get lucky to fill those needs with players who are still developing and are not yet chased by all 30 teams in the league.

Feed the cutter!!!

by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 3, 2012 7:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Completely agree, MM. Very, very well said!

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 3, 2012 11:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Amen indeed

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 3, 2012 11:39 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Well said MM.

jay, I understand that you have an eye on the draft. But do we have to talk about it after every single game? There is a time and a place for draft talk, and it’s not games into the season. Let’s just enjoy now, and look to the future in the future. Perhaps centralize this topic in a FanPost.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 3, 2012 3:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Why do people keep comparing Morris to Amare? They have very little in common whatsoever. Morris is the dirt worker type, and that’s why he’s making such an impact so soon for the team.

I don’t quite get what you’re trying to day either way. We are doomed from what I am reading in your post regardless. If no one wants to come to Phoenix then why would they want to come here after we tanked a season and got a high draft pick? I think you are selling the franchise short with that statement.

Also, how many people were saying similar comments like this on the 09-10 season? A lot of critics said we should have blew the team up then too, but what a season we would have missed.

In the end this is your Suns team this season. After this season the rebuilding starts. So lets just sit back and see where it goes. If the team ends up sucking, all the “rebuilders” out there will get a better draft pick in the 2012 draft. If the Suns are able to pull it together and get into the playoffs, then who knows?

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by AcucracK on Jan 3, 2012 3:54 AM MST up reply actions  

I still can’t see this team in the playoff hunt until we prove we can beat teams like the mavs,thunder or lakers on a consistent basis.

just to clarify – the Suns never beat the West’s top 2-3 teams on a consistent basis, even during the contending years. Never.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 3, 2012 6:46 AM MST up reply actions  

but to further discuss your point, I think you’re being way too impatient for immediate action. No team in the first week of the season is going to trade away all its talent for draft picks. If the Suns were going to do this, it would be right at/before the trade deadline.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 3, 2012 6:49 AM MST up reply actions  

thank you

I can’t remember a time the head hunters gathered like this, so soon

by rdgroce on Jan 3, 2012 8:31 AM MST up reply actions  

They did this before our last game....

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by Daryl Ray on Jan 3, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah

I mean this season. Reading the posts would give the suns no chance what so ever cause they have no talent.

by rdgroce on Jan 3, 2012 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Free Agents still play for money and fame

Nash, RoLo, Hill are on expiring contracts. The Suns still can use their amnesty clause. Other players have team options.

The roster will be wide open this summer to make an offer at a big FA or trade up for a possible high lottery pick.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 3, 2012 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for this.

And good game.

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by N8lol on Jan 3, 2012 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for that, Evan.

How’s the mood among Warriors fans?

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by East Bay Ray on Jan 3, 2012 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

It's kind of like waking up in the world from Mad Max.

But with less defense.

No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.

by Scott Howard on Jan 3, 2012 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

But at least Hak doesn't look like a homeless guy anymore...

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!

by Daryl Ray on Jan 3, 2012 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Can't have the face of the franchise looking like a homeless guy.

In all seriousness, though, Warrick has played well so far this season. The team needs to get better play out of the starters at this point.

The team has struggled out of the gates in all 5 games. No starter is averaging 11 points a game. Nash was the first starter to lead the team in scoring.

It’s early and this will surely change, but I was fatuous enough to come into the season thinking that the Suns starters would give them an early advantage over other teams that lacked dedicated veteran leadership. My feeble mind actually envisioned guys like Nash, Hill, Dudley, and Gortat coming to camp in peak physical condition while slackers from other teams were applying ointment to bed sores and wiping cheetos dust from their tubby cheeks. As usual, I was wrong.

Obviously the Suns will boast a starter who averages more than 10.8 ppg (hopefully soon because it really looks ridiculous on the pre-game box score). I wouldn’t bet on the Suns having anyone average 18 this year, though. 17 might be tough. Maybe we could do an over/under on individual 30 point games? Set it at 10? Have a contest to guess the first time a Suns player breaks the mark on the season?

The Suns don’t boast a true scorer, it’s going to have to be scoring by committee. Team basketball. Sun-ergy.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Jan 3, 2012 2:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Lol, so true. And Sun-ergy. Love it!….And I’d take the under on that bet too, btw.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 3, 2012 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks, evanz

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by sun-arc on Jan 3, 2012 11:41 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Man it felt good to see Nash shoot like that

it’s almost like everything went back to normal in the world.

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by PanamaSun on Jan 3, 2012 10:49 AM MST reply actions  

EVERY WIN DELAYS WHAT SARVER DESERVES.....

being sent to GITMO and waterboarded until he returns away games broadcasting rights to Ch.45.

by JoeBlam on Jan 3, 2012 10:51 AM MST reply actions  

??

.

borderline adequate

by waxmonkey on Jan 3, 2012 5:36 PM MST up reply actions  

From HardwoodParoxysm
Lion Face: Markieff Morris

Ignore the opponent. I know that they played against the Warriors, but hear me out. Markieff Morris made his claim for increased playing time over Channing Frye and Hakim Warrick by racking up 16 points and 9 rebounds. Morris showed off some pretty nice range, but also cleaned up 3 offensive rebounds at the rim. In this god awful season that the Suns are currently experiencing, Morris may be something that their fans have to smile about when they aren’t crying about the horrible things that Steve Nash has to endure.

by REneeR on Jan 3, 2012 12:57 PM MST reply actions  

It's good to see that people are noticing the auspicious start by Morris.

I’m intrigued by his early returns.

I was going to author something similar to this, but I was too busy crying about the Suns’ god awful season and lamenting what execrable sin Nash must have perpetrated to deserve his current lot in life.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Jan 3, 2012 1:32 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Watching Shannon Brown play offense can be painful. He sometimes grinds ball movement to a halt or chucks up random bad shots. But he does bring energy and athleticism, and had 5 rebounds and 2 assists to go with some strong defense and 2 made 3-pointers in scoring 10 points today.”

Suns need to run some plays for him or something. He’s got an insane vertical, but is chucking up awful jumpers.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 3, 2012 2:26 PM MST reply actions  

shot selection

I was frustrated at the bad shot selection to most every player on the floor. Why doesent Gentry tell these guys to drive when the jump shot is not falling? This confuses me.

by rdgroce on Jan 3, 2012 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

More Pick and Rolls

for Hakim and Brown.

Also what happened to the backdoor alley oop? It used to be a staple with Nash. Morris, Brown, Hakim, and Chilly should be getting set up for these buckets.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 3, 2012 2:48 PM MST up reply actions  

They need to get him making fast moves

If he goes hard quickly, he looks alright. When he dribbles, he looks terrible. Hit him on cuts, or curling off a screen towards the bucket. He is a terrible on-ball player.

by MMotherwell on Jan 3, 2012 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

chilly

he is getting to comfortable behind the three point line, anyone see this? Not good

by rdgroce on Jan 3, 2012 2:56 PM MST up reply actions  

That's coaching.

Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!

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I also edit things at Ridiculous Upside. Check it out.

by Omaha Sun on Jan 3, 2012 3:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Chilly is not getting comfortable anywhere except on the bench. Gentry has finally wised up and needs to leave him there. Especially after Redd comes, there won’t be any minutes for him, fortunately for us.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 3, 2012 5:22 PM MST up reply actions  

yup

I meant comfortable as in camping out there, not making shots comfortably

by rdgroce on Jan 3, 2012 6:03 PM MST up reply actions  

The games left number underneath the Suns record on the home page reads

77.

Does that just need to be corrected or is it predicting that the Suns will finish their remaining 61 regular season games and then go 16-0 in the playoffs enroute to the franchise’s first championship?

That would be 77 games.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Jan 3, 2012 2:27 PM MST reply actions   3 recs

Yes.

No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.

by Scott Howard on Jan 3, 2012 2:47 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

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