Phoenix Suns Outgunned By Shawn Marion and The Dallas Mavericks, Lose 93-87
by 7footer on Jan 23, 2012 9:33 PM MST
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PrintIf someone were to tell you that the Dallas Mavericks would be without Dirk Nowitzki and we would hold Jason Terry to only 12 points, and Lamar Odom to only 11 points, you would probably think we win this game easy, right? Think again. The Phoenix Suns lost to the Dallas Mavericks tonight behind the play of Shawn Marion along with his supporting cast of Ian Mahinmi and Brendan Haywood.
Although The Suns' plan to shut down Terry and Odom worked pretty well, they weren't prepared for Shawn "3-point" Marion to light them up from beyond the arc. Marion was just 5-15 from three since the start of the season, and never attempted more then two per game. That all changed tonight as the former Sun shot an impressive 4-6 from three and 11-21 overall for 29 points on the night, his highest scoring game of the season.
Add to that Ian Mahinmi scoring 17 points and grabbing 9 rebounds, and Brendan Haywood scoring 10 points and grabbing 6 rebounds, and the Mavericks were simply too much for the Suns to handle tonight.
Read on after the jump for more...
The Good:
Marcin Gortat continues to be the Suns most consistent player. Tonight he scored 19 points and grabbed 17 boards. He wasn't as dominant defensively as he was against Boston, but he still did his job.
Grant Hill was all BAMF tonight, scoring 19pts going 6-10 from the field and 6-7 from the line. He also grabbed 8 rebounds and played very good defense on Odom who was held in check with only 11 points.
Shannon Brown had another productive night scoring 14 points on 6-14 shooting. He's making a case to move into the starting unit.
The Bad:
Steve Nash still posted 12 assists but only managed 8 points off 2-9 shooting from the field, including 0-3 from beyond the arc. Not a great night for Nash, but even his off nights are still impressive by most standards.
Ronnie Price played fairly effective defense tonight on Jason Terry, but he made some bad shot selections and ended up going only 1-4 from the field. We need more production from our new starting two-guard.
The Ugly:
The guys who were supposed to inject new life into the bench, Jared Dudley and Channing Frye, were both mostly ineffective tonight on both ends of the court. Channing did grab 5 rebounds but shot only 2-6 from the field and 0-2 from three. Dudley shot 1-7 from the field and also went 0-2 from beyond the arc. This just isn't getting it done.
Markieff Morris didn't get it done either. He allowed Shawn Marion to light him up all over the court, and shot only 2-9 from the field for 7 points and also committed 5 personal fouls. In his defense ,he did grab 11 rebounds, so he was hustling out there, but he's got to find a way to get back to his early season form on offense and defense alike. The Suns really need him!
Game Notes:
First Quarter:
Markieff will guard Marion, Hill will guard Odom in Dirk’s absence
Designed play for Morris to start the game
Suns running and out to a fast start. Suns up 6-2 and Dallas calls a T.O.
Beautiful pass from Nash to Price for a 3 from the corner!
Mavs get lucky on two 3-pointers in a row from Kidd then Marion
Hill answers back with a 3 of his own!
Markieff with a nice dunk attempt but was fouled hard on the finish
Marion with 10 points already halfway through the first…Need Markieff to step up the D!
Mavs take their first lead 25-24 of an and-one from Brandan Wright
Grant Hill steals the ball from Beaubois and gets and gets a fast-break and-one of his own!
Suns losing steam here. Nash loses the ball to Beaubois who gets fouled by Lopez on the fast break and hits two at the line
Telfair in for Nash, uh-oh…The entire 2nd unit is now in the game
Mavs already 8-11 from the FT line
Mavs lead 32-27 at the end of the first quarter…Channing Frye was the only bench player to score (2pts) in the first quarter. Need the 2nd unit to step up!
Second Quarter:
Frye finally breaks the scoreless streak by our second unit in the 2nd quarter.
Telfair fouled on a drive to the basket…need more of that from him
Suns with very little defense or boxing out…What happened?
JET with an uncontested three off an outlet pass, then does the airplane. Gentry has seen enough and calls a timeout.
Grant Hill is returning…let’s hope our defense does as well
Brown hits a three
Mahinmi, off the bench, going back to the FT line with what will be his 4th trip. He’s been a factor
Brown hits another three…he’s heating up! Suns down 41-40 midway through the 2nd quarter. Dallas calls a timeout
Starting unit back in…Can they take the lead at the half?
The scoring has slowed for both teams…Suns and Mavs going back and forth with the lead. Still a one point game
Mavs keep the lead at the end of the 2nd quarter up 46-49. Dallas is getting significant contributions from unlikely sources. Haywood and Mahinmi both with 10pts each while Gortat has only 8 so far. Huh?
Suns only shooting 40% and losing both the rebounding (31-26) and turnover (9-7) battle so far, but not by much. They can get right back in this game with some adjustments at the half…Namely, stopping Haywood and Mahinmi from scoring in the paint!
Third Quarter:
Gortat with a quick third foul on Odom to start the 3rd quarter…Also fouled him behind the three-point line. Not good
Odom goes only 1-3 at the line
Ugly offensive possessions by the Suns to start the 3rd quarter…need to get it going
Grant with LOCKDOWN defense on Odom drive to the rim…Forced a missed lay-up. Just phenomenal how well Grant can stay with his man.
Marion with another three…Just one of those games.
Suns losing more momentum now…currently down 57-48. Need to pick it up!
Morris still not looking sharp offensively…Suns could really use him right now.
Gortat finally gets his 10th point. Need to get him more involved in this game.
Mavs lead 60-53 midway through the 3rd quarter
Grant Hill leading Suns in scoring with 17pts along with 4rbs so far…BAMF!
Marion with another 3 pointer…Really?
Marion with yet another 3 point bomb…Now 4/5 from 3 for 24 points, are you kidding me?!?
Gentry calls a time out. Mavs now up 70-55. Not looking good
Telfair for three
Suns down 76-68 at the end of the 3rd quarter. Suns still hanging on but need to score on offense. They shot only 28% from the field in the third quarter.
Fourth Quarter:
Brown with a serious dunk off a drive from the corner. He passes up the three to get to the rim. We need more of that from him!
Suns getting more second shot opportunities
Lopez with a nice dunk off a feed from Dudley. Suns trying to claw back in it with offensive rebounding and scoring inside
Telfair with a nice steal who passes the ball to Frye who shoots another brick from three. Frye now 0-2 beyond the arc and 2-6 from the field
Wow…Telfair gets a flagrant-2 foul after contesting a fast break layup by Beaubois. Telfair didn’t even go for his head. Brian Cardinal grabbed Telfair around the neck earlier and he only got a flagrant-1. Telfair has been ejected…Terrible call.
Morris whistled for an offensive foul on a basket that should have counted. Another bad call against the Suns
Gortat with a basket inside, now has 16pts and 13rbs…Doing his job as always
Suns down 90-79 with just over 4 minutes remaining.
Nash with a beautiful pass to Gortat inside for the easy lay-in. Suns down 90-82
Mavs holding onto the lead as the clock winds down.
Mavs win 93-87
Summary:
This was a game that the Suns just didn't and couldn't see coming. Without Dirk Nowitzki, the suns focused on stopping Jason Terry and Lamar Odom, and were pretty successful in doing so. The problem was that Shawn Marion had one of those flukey games against his former team tonight, and Dallas got great contributions off the bench from Ian Mahimni who the Suns never accounted for. Meanwhile, the Suns only shot 38% from the field and got very little contributions from their bench...Not a winning formula
This ends the Suns five game road trip as they will now return home tomorrow to play the Toronto Raptors. This was a game the Suns could have, and probably should have won. But going 2-3 over the length of this road trip probably isn't that bad in the grand scheme of things, considering the teams they had to play against, especially since I personally thought they would go 1-4. Let's hope the Suns can get back on track tomorrow and get a win at home.
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Dang it you beat me
I feel like an idiot now posting my comment before reading this.
Twitter: @FredLegittt
This comment by Howard made me laugh so hard
"There’s no way KG should be beating me up and down the floor," Howard said, before joking about the age difference. "There was a couple plays where he beat me up and down the floor. There’s no way. He’s 40 and I’m 25. I just can’t allow that to happen. I have to step up and be the leader for this team."
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by modernage13 on Jan 23, 2012 9:56 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
40? lol
you know KG was heated when he heard that. watch him punch Howard in the nuts next time they play
by miketheboss on Jan 23, 2012 10:01 PM MST up reply actions
I saw one where he continuously kept punching Howard's arm.
Howard just kept looking at the ref like “are you gonna let him keep doing that?” and KG finally got an offensive foul for it. Dude’s got beast arms that he couldn’t even feel it.
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by modernage13 on Jan 23, 2012 10:12 PM MST up reply actions
What a bad loss....
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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I just watched the pilot for Alcatraz
And I’m convinced that some sort of sci ti time travel shit is the only possible explanation for Shawn Marion popping off for 29 points. That’s all ive got.
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
Is Alcatraz any good?
I was planning on downloading it, but wasn’t sure if it was worth the time. Please tell me it’s not all hype.
Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.
Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
by NashMV3 on Jan 24, 2012 1:13 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I was impressed with the pilot.
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
by Scott Howard on Jan 24, 2012 2:49 PM MST up reply actions
I enjoyed Brown's dunk.
That was pretty much it for that game. Marion making floaters he hasn’t made in a while. Morris whiffing on shots. Price and Telfair chucking up some 3’s. Frye and Dudley pretty much invisible. Disappointing, especially with Dirk out for the game.
10/10 on the suckometer.
Week just keeps getting better and better lix...
and it is only monday. I don’t get why we still play dare defense with these mavs team. I know they probably did the research, there is now way Marion would sink those but once you see him drain 3 after another; one would say adjust to the offense and guard that fool. (big run on sentence but who cares).
This is what i always picture in my head everytime marion shoots…
Pew! Pew! Pew!
"Who are we kidding?..."
by Larfleeze on Jan 23, 2012 10:04 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
rec for the GIF
"SIR ALEX FERGUSON" Greatest Manager of all time
I really thought we had this one...
we were losing and all but I thought we could come back and win by a point or two.
I guess the bright side is that we didn’t finish the game with only 56 points. The team’s name rhymes with Dragic.
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It's Gentry who needs to go
Nash/Price
Brown/Dudz
Hill/HAKIM WARRICK
Morris/ Fry or Hakim
Gortat/ Lopez
Then put Redd in when he’s ready
Nash/Price
Redd/Brown
Hill/dudz
Morris/Hakim & Fry (whoever is playing better)
Gortat/Lopez
theres actually a lot of talent on this team
not WCF talent but better than the rockets yet somehow they have the better record. all of those guys are capable of scoring 10+ ppg if given proper rotation. Fire Gentry Please!
by miketheboss on Jan 23, 2012 10:11 PM MST up reply actions
Redd is dead
Dreaming he can come back is hopeful.
Too many players in the rotation as well.
If Price is a two, then maybe the Lopez for Bledsoe trade is a really good idea.
by MMotherwell on Jan 23, 2012 10:15 PM MST up reply actions
idk about that.
hard to assume its a wrap after he only played a total of 60 min. with no training camp and no consistent practice with the team.
and ya for a full season its to many but for a shortened compressed season its good. Nash and Hill shouldn’t be playing 30+ min Per Game
by miketheboss on Jan 23, 2012 10:32 PM MST up reply actions
Both Nash and Hill are players that if they can play, and feel like they can play, you know they are going to be telling Gentry they want in the game.
Would I like to see them closet to just 30 minutes a game? Sure. But the bench needs to come in and do its job for that to happen so they can rest longer on the bench.
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another reason why Gentry sucks
do you think Coaches Like Phil Jackson let there players go in when they wanted. hell no.
by miketheboss on Jan 23, 2012 10:55 PM MST up reply actions
Gentry is not Phil Jackson. There are not a bunch of Phil Jackson quality coaches just sitting around waiting for teams to sign them either.
Like Spit Fire said, name your new coach, who’s your “Phil Jackson” coach for the Suns? Who can we get right now that will do a better job? Offer solutions to your problem : )
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I'd be willing to throw JVG a bone.
Maybe we could even try to get Jerry Sloan out of retirement. It’s too bad we couldn’t have gotten Adelman. I really do like him.
I’m not saying replacing Gentry is the right option, but you asked for “solutions” so I’m just throwing you some names.
Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.
Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
getting j. sloan would almost certainly mean the end of nash
unless Sloan is willing to up the tempo idk if the fans could take it. it would mean a total personnel overhaul. it might scare of future free agents as well
and JVG has been to much of a douche.
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
If we get JVG, I will become a Knicks fan.
I swear, I’ll do it.
Just sayin’.
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"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
Kobe has played A TON of minutes
Under Phil Jackson…. I have seen him log so many 40+ minutes nights it is ridiculous.
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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id bench hill
his “lockdown D” isnt worth his lack of offense. you gotta have scoring from either you 2 or 3 to make it in this league. hes best to be used for 20 mins off the bench. i dont care if he doesnt like coming off the bench because "he plays bad being sat and cold. hes playing like poop regardless
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
Forget those big names
History says suns and suns fans most satisfied with coaches who come from within,Alvin isnt going anywhere and when the time comes thunder dan would be most logical choice.
skitsophrenics are never alone-Just ask scott howard
Thunder dans the man!
Get our shooting back!
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
by phxpurple on Jan 24, 2012 10:22 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
That is the only way we win really
Both of them want to play and it is hard for Gentry to say no. Gentry has to think about wins for his jobs sake (not saying he thinks he is in jeopardy) and playing Nash and Hill more leads us to more success (usually).
Obviously I want to see both of them play less minutes but we aren’t getting enough production from the team when they aren’t on the floor.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!
I;d have thought those were all opoints agreeing with my assessment Mike
Hard to hope he can come back when “hehas only played a total of 60 min. with no training camp and no consistent practice with the team.”
Personally, if I ran the Suns, I’d send Redd to the D League and see what he has left. He’d be playing in a fast and furious league against athletic guys, and in two weeks, which is four games, we’d have a lot clearer idea of what Redd has left in the tank.
It’s pointless what is going on so far, unless there is some specific rehab going on.
The D-League rehab is actually an excellent idea.
Take advantage of the new vet rehab assignment rule. Let him get some run and get back into shape. If he’s willing to do that (you have to have their agreement to send them down) it will show he really does want to do everything he can to get back into the League.
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i agree with sending him to the D-league
but not just benching him same with chilly. especially Chilly considering how much he is getting paid
Who do we replace Gentry with?
Turner?
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Maybe the Gorilla could coach the team?
I am not sure why some people are already placing all the blame on the coach, seems like such a cop-out/scape goat move.
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already?
did last season not count? his indecisiveness with rotation, lack of ability to call time out when needed, Having Nash and Hill play 30+ min per game, benching players that haven’t even proved themselves (chilly, Redd) or benching players who have proven there worth (hakim) and replacing them with players who’s shot percentage is the equivalent to KG’s IQ (Fry) Gentry is ass. The WCF run was Stat and Nash with a coppied version of Mike D’s system which has been proven by Mike D himself is only effective with Nash and Stat
by miketheboss on Jan 23, 2012 10:45 PM MST up reply actions
Gentry Is Ass!
didn’t feel i emphasized that enough in my rant
by miketheboss on Jan 23, 2012 10:48 PM MST up reply actions
Gentry
I agreee with all your points, why isn’t Hak playing, and I think Chilly could do better than Frye right now (not that he is a PF). Maybe benching Frye will wake him up. He doesn’t seem to be in the games right now. Duds does hustle, so at least he has that, but I still sit them and see if they want to play the next game.
Yeah, last seasons train wreck
With the FO throwing a bunch of new faces in at the start of the season, then making a big trade half way through the season for 2 more new face? Hard to just say it was all Gentry’s fault that we didn’t make the playoffs last season.
So yes, to me it does not count. This season will be a much better one to use when passing judgment. Either way it would be retarded to fire him at this junction. If anything we fire him at the end of the season if it’s blatantly obvious it’s just all Gentry’s fault that this team just can’t cut it.
Fun side note, aren’t we still paying Terry Porter?
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if Nash wasnt as old as he is
and wasn’t in the last year of his contract I’d agree. but waiting till the end of the season to prove we are willing to make changes to win seems more retarded than anything.
And gentry is far from the only coach who had multiple changes done to the team in a short period of time. yes its not ALL his fault but…. VC started the majority of the season Chilly and Hak were still benched and Hedo still got minutes till the day he got traded
We all are entitled to our opinions
So as I stated before, who do you want coaching then? Who is the “fix everything solution coach” you have in mind?
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there is no fix everything coach
and the list of coaches that are better than Gentry is long. I’d even take flip Saunders at this point.
I can't blame him on Redd
He was absolutely gassed after playing a maximum of 5 minute stretches. He played well his first game back but IMO he is not ready yet. He just has no conditioning. Adding Redd to the rotation means not have a set rotation at this point in time as well. Either way the rotation won’t be set.
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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yea i think him not playing redd is a way of saving him until hes near 100%
i dont think were done until we see what redd can do. price going back to run the bench will be a boost. Redd getting back to being able to play a solid 10 minutes it will help so much. bench scoring is just to inconsistent. mofos forgot how to shoot
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
I agree with Gentry can't coach
Why doesn’t he make the adjustments? Every time I saw Marion open I thought, are they going to adjust? Nope.
I think I liked it better when we scored over a hundred points a night...
Or 90.
I'm Michael Beasley's imaginary friend.
by suns68 on Jan 23, 2012 10:03 PM MST via mobile reply actions
If BAMF was so great
why did he have 8 turnovers? Didn’t watch the game yet but looking at the boxscore the turnovers killed us again. And Frye was -22 in just 15 minutes? Sigh….
Alea iacta est!
Hill was really bad with teh ball
And Frye looks scattery. He takes some shots with confidence, others he just kinda looks indecisive and scared.
by MMotherwell on Jan 23, 2012 10:17 PM MST up reply actions
And Hill was AMAZING
in the 1st quarter. After that? Not so much, and we played him WAAAYYY too many minutes.
by MMotherwell on Jan 23, 2012 10:17 PM MST up reply actions
Suns lose...
I blame Carmelo.
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Has 7footer brought us a win yet?
I’m just curious.
Phoenix Suns and Steve Nash. That is all.
FIRE 7FOOTER!!!
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by AcucracK on Jan 23, 2012 10:24 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
WE MUST TRADE LOPEZ AND SOMEONE FOR A LEGIT STAR GUARD OR FOWARD
hill is done offensively and should only be used as a Defensive specialist. his turnovers and missed shots are killing us though
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
Sounds like they could be shopping him...
because they are not confident in signing him as of yet. So better to try and get some value than let him walk right?
“Phoenix Suns’ Robin Lopez might explore value on open market”
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i hope so
he has no real value to us anymore. id rather re-sign siller or another back up big and trade rolo. dont just let him walk
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
We can't just let him walk
There are not too many good big men in the league… Not saying Robin is amazing but he is young and some team would see some potential in him still, if healthy. The Suns need to get some form of return from him if they are not bringing him back for a well valued contract.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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He's a career backup center
He’s backing up Dwight Howard’s backup’s.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Robin Lopez freaking sucks, why would someone want him for their legit star guard/forward?
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
not directly but in a backage deal
lopez and some of our expiring contracts might be appealing to teams who needs capspacce and size ATL, ORL etc
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
Because the don't read BSOTS?
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
*they
But really – go over to the Portland site and see what they think of the “saviors” that seem to be the “solution” here. They would be more than happy to take you up on your trade ideas.
Which is why I get down on my knees and thank Daryl Ray that you guys aren’t in the FO.
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
Dirk Nowitzki missed the game and went here to get his rehab.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxG4OKfbvo
Phoenix Suns and Steve Nash. That is all.
by PhoenixSons on Jan 23, 2012 10:59 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Because Gentry can't coach.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Who else would we put on him?
They played small for a lot of the game. It was either him or Frye.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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He doesn't know that Grant Hill can't guard everybody!
Don’t spoil it for him just yet!
Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.
Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
Then what
Price on Terry? I am well aware of what Grant can do but we had to put someone on Terry…
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Plus
Brown was playing better (offensively) than Price.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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We should've had Morris guard Odom
and stick Hill on Marion the instant Marion started showing any signs of getting hot.
Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.
Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
And then what of Terry?
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!
Also guys like Marion get hot...
… and most of the time they get really cold right after.
You have a guy shooting under 30% from 3 point range you kinda want him to take another shot.
Bad luck is all – I doubt he will have another game this year where he goes 4-6 from downtown.
IMO we didn’t lose this game on defense, the D was OK.
We have completely fucked up on the offensive end.
And it wasn’t even the strategy but the execution. It’s tough to blame Gentry for a vet like Hill giving up the ball 8 times! Tough to blame him for letting Price shoot wide-wide-wide-wide open 3’s – he is a guard for Chrissakes, even Rondo should hit that shot.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 24, 2012 7:08 AM MST up reply actions
I agree.
the gameplan seemed pretty sound to me. That’s what I would have done, and in fact it’s what I suggested in the preview. Sometimes players just get hot.
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Yet the trend appears to be for all ex-Suns to get hot when playing against us.
It’s like these guys don’t like us at all. Guys like Vince, Diaw, and Marion seem to love blowing up their stat sheets when they play us. Where is the love, I ask. Where is the love??
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Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
by NashMV3 on Jan 24, 2012 1:17 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
If Earl Barron goes pot roast on us...
I think I’ll just give up.
Let's do this...!
by Daryl Ray on Jan 24, 2012 1:54 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
At least we didn't go winless....
But we keep losing to teams without their best players… Ugh.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Really surprised
Nobody is talking about the horrendous game by the Refs? This might have been one of the worse referreed games I’ve ever seen. Did anybody catch Gentrys post game interview? Cause he was outraged too
Mihinmi and Haywood would jump over the back and foul us on almost EVERY defensive rebound and that is no exageration. And everytime they got nudged on the other end it was a foul! Morris got hit with BS fouls all game. Grant Hill, the 3x NBA sportsmanship winner got knocked up n down the court and gut T’d up for firing up at the Refs for not calling anything.
Wow I was almost in disbelief the way this game was officiated and very surprised nobody else has said a thing about it.
by SmokinKieff on Jan 24, 2012 12:12 AM MST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Touche on the name
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haha thx
I was quiet proud of myself when I came up with that one lol
by SmokinKieff on Jan 24, 2012 12:16 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Also
Morris gets some real BS calls…. Like an unusual amount it seems.
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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yup
It’s crazy… Kinda like PP getting all those BS calls in the begining of the season. But Kieff gets even more
by SmokinKieff on Jan 24, 2012 12:17 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
YES
PP got screwed so much… I understand rookies don’t get calls but some of them are just TURRIBLE.
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Im no conspiracy type whatsoever
But somebody told those Refs to call the game in Dallas’ advantage, the officiating was too inconsistant between what calls they got and what calls we got, so that is the only explanation for reffing that bad.
by SmokinKieff on Jan 24, 2012 12:15 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I don';t believe there was an fix.
I just legitimately believe officials are that bad. I’ve seen it at every level. They just plain suck for the most part.
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I mentioned it in my game notes...
As a general rule I hate blaming the refs. It’s almost like an excuse or a cop out to do so most of the time. But yes, there were definitely some horrible calls and non calls by the refs tonight.
by 7footer on Jan 24, 2012 12:28 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
True, but I'm not sure the Suns played well enough to win regardless...
We let Marion go slam off on us…
Let's do this...!
Missed the 2nd half last night…watched this morning
There were some bad calls for sure but I have no problem w/ the Flag 2 ejection on Telfair. He clubbed him in the head…no chance at the ball. The Flag 1 on Cardinal seemed right to me as well.
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 9:24 AM MST up reply actions
I listened on radio
Al mccoy made it sound as if it were the most incompetent call in nba history [telfairs flagrant]
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Bassy wound up and clubbed Roddy in the side of the head…it could be suspension-worthy.
I also have to wonder (again) how much Alvin’s constant protesting of every call — often even before the refs even have a chance to make a call that goes his way — has to do with the way refs handle the many 50/50 situations that come up.
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 9:37 AM MST up reply actions
Good point...
Sometimes I feel like the Suns as a team spend way too much time complaining about calls and not simply focusing on the game…It gives you a bad rep around the league officiating wise and then calls really don’t go your way.
If the team spent the energy that they expend on calls towards playing perimeter defense on some of these guys that are having career games against us, we might be be 10-6 versus 6-10.
I believe in these guys and I know we can do it…Just got to focus a little on the important things…Conbstantly arguing calls ain’t it….
Let's do this...!
After watching it again...
I tend to agree. At first I thought the call was horrendous, but when you watch the play closely Telfair does catch him upside the head. Still not convinced it deserved a flagrant 2, but it’s close enough that I wouldn’t argue against it anymore.
by 7footer on Jan 24, 2012 9:48 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
didnt see the game
but i think next game coach should bench Frye and Dudley against Toronto and use Hak and Chilly cos Frye and Dudley are turrible and need a kick up the back side.
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Frye was
Dudley had real energy and zip. He gathered 8 rebounds – 4 offensive. Frye did nothing.
Frye barely even played...He wasn't that terrible. 2-6 4 points 5 rebounds.
He wasn’t any worse than Morris who really, really looked like a rookie out there.
Dear Bill,
Fuck You.
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Letter that Charles Barkley sent to Bill Lambieer through a ballboy during the 89-90 season....Moments later, Barkley and Lambieer got into a fist fight.
I thought Morris looked good
He missed a few tip ins, which hurt his shooting, and he got called on some terrible calls. That, and Marion played the “I hate my former team, game of the season” game, and made shots he won’t make the rest of the year.
He looked lost offensively, especially in the post. There were multiple occasions where he was posted up against smaller opponents and he neglected to take advantage of it.
Dear Bill,
Fuck You.
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Letter that Charles Barkley sent to Bill Lambieer through a ballboy during the 89-90 season....Moments later, Barkley and Lambieer got into a fist fight.
Kief looked lost
this is because 16 games into the season and Gentry is just now getting Morris confortable in the post, allowing him to hang out by the 3 point line. It’s obvious Morris has alot of promise in the post so I hope Gentry continues to run plays for him.
Not sure about Morris' post game
He fades away way to often and makes it look tougher then it should be. Not sure if right from the start we compared him to Channing and thought he was great. So far – barely average.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 24, 2012 7:36 AM MST up reply actions
Look on the bright side....
At least this loss shows that our past two victories had nothing to do with having Morris and Price start.
Morris has flat out sucked lately. Yes, there was the whole getting sick thing but ever since becoming a starter the dude has totally blew. At the beginning of the year when he was at his most effective it was with him coming off of the bench and the reason for that is typically when one team bring’s in reserves the other team does the same as the starters, which in most cases are starters because they are the best players on the team don’t take advantage of the less talented, inexperienced, or elder bench players. So, a lot of the time that Morris spent on the floor was against other bench players. Now, he’s starting game against NBA veterans and all of a sudden instead of looking like a NBA vet himself he looks like the rookie that he really is.
Price since becoming a starter has scored 9 points on 3 of 11 shooting with 3 assists, 3 turnovers and playing around 20 minutes a night. He’s just a black hole offensively. The guy makes his money being a defensive replacement off of the bench…that’s it. He’s not some undiscovered talent or something, he’s a seven year vet.
Frye needs to come back into the starting line up and at shooting guard we should let Dudz start again. He’s still in a shooting slump but he’s still managing to contribute in other ways. Plus, with Hill finding his legs again and Gortat dominating like a 1999 Stone Cold Steve Austin we can afford to have Dudz shoot his way out of his slump.
Another thing we should do is let Morris come in and play some center along with Frye in the game. I mean, if we did that along with Nash, Dudz, and Brown we would have 5 three point shooters which could really stretch out the defense.
The one thing that is clear about this team is that we need Aaron Brooks back. His ability to actually keep the offense flowing with Nash on the bench as well as the ability to create his own shot is something sorely, sorely lacking on this team right now.
At the very least he could provide us with some valuable trade bait in order to upgrade our roster. The need of a solid second scoring behind Gortat is paramount for this team. It will allow Nash to not think he has to score 20 points a night in order for us to have any chance at winning and let him focus on what he does best which is set up other guys which will only make the entire team better.
Also, what’s the 411 on Michael Redd? Why is he completely out of the rotation? The endurance not there yet? Lack of knowledge about the playbook? It’s gotta be his health, right? I mean, you don’t just leave a guy like MIchael Redd on the bench if he’s healthy.
Dear Bill,
Fuck You.
-Charles
Letter that Charles Barkley sent to Bill Lambieer through a ballboy during the 89-90 season....Moments later, Barkley and Lambieer got into a fist fight.
Morris isn't inmcluded in the offense
That is the scheme. Hard to play well when you aren’t even asked to set screens.
I think Gentry needs top get Kieff open looks from 3 – we seem to be wasting that part of Kieff’s game completely.
And Brooks? Really? He was terrible last year – no better than Price or Telfair.
The big issue is simple – http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/phx/phoenix-suns – Brown, Frye, and Hill all shooting at less than .400, and Dudley hitting only .341 from 3, and Frye .339.
If that continues we are doomed. If Hill Frye and Dudley get their groove back, we have a chance. And if we can get Brown to stop taking woeful shots, and he has been MUCH better the last few games, we are a good shot to end somewhere in the ballpark of .500
He did start off bad
But once April rolled around and he started to pick up the offense his game really improved, especially his ability to lead the offense.
He averaged 22 minutes a game in April while putting up 9.5PPG and 5.1 assists. That’s decent production out of your back up PG and a huge, huge upgrade over the production we’re getting from that spot right now.
The only way for Frye and Dudz to get out of that slump is to shoot the ball. Frye has been so damn good for us the past two seasons. To think because he started off badly this season that we’re just going to throw him on the bench is insane. There were huge stretches last season where we depended on him as our number 1 scorer. He’s still that same player, nothing has changed.
If anything, having him come off of the bench is only hurting him. He needs to be on the court with Nash for as much time as possible for him to be at maximum effectiveness.
Dudley, even though he has yet to wake up shooting the ball still makes an impact for us every night. Whether it’s through defense, rebounding, or even being a point-forward.
Dear Bill,
Fuck You.
-Charles
Letter that Charles Barkley sent to Bill Lambieer through a ballboy during the 89-90 season....Moments later, Barkley and Lambieer got into a fist fight.
Also, Price isn't involved in the offense either
We can’t have our starting rotation have two guys who are just not included offensively.
Frye started off the season cold, then when Gortat started to get going which was the game on January 4th against Dallas all of a sudden Frye two games later woke up and went on a four game stretch where he scored 16, 17, 12, and 15 and went 11 for 20 from 3pt land. Then, he had the two bad games against SA and Chicago where he sucked which you can’t really blame him for since everyone sucked in those two games and plus he only played 18 minutes in each game…Then, all of a sudden after two games of suckage he gets benched? Doesn’t make much sense to me.
It seems like Lopez is falling out of favor with Gentry again, anyways. Morris, like y ou said has been better defensively so he could be good off of the bench since he can play both the four and the five.
Morris is a rookie and one without any summer league or pre-season. He’s going to have a lot of crappy nights. Frye meanwhile just needs one breakout night which could wake him up for the rest of the season. He’s not going to be able to ever get out of his slump if he only shoots it 5 times a night while only getting 20 minutes of playing time.
Dear Bill,
Fuck You.
-Charles
Letter that Charles Barkley sent to Bill Lambieer through a ballboy during the 89-90 season....Moments later, Barkley and Lambieer got into a fist fight.
Kief
I like Kief starting, he is a bit raw, as expected, but he needs to develop, all the upside he has, keep running post plays through him. Also, Brown needs to start. If Brown is going to continue his trend of better shot selection, than keep him in there with Nash. We need the offence he seems to provide.
Kief v. Frye as starter
Kief 43/48 FG/3PT, 7PT 5RB
Frye 38/32 FG/3PT, 7PT 6RB
I just think all Morris needs is another 10 or so games under his belt and we will see much improvement.
How can you include a guy who shoots airballs on open 3's?
And is playing SG? Tough nut to crack even for a great coach.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 24, 2012 7:38 AM MST up reply actions
Why aren't we running a 3.5 man guard rotation?
Price is as good/bad as Telfair, and Dudley can play 2. We have Hill, Dudley, Price, Nash and Brown to cover 144 minutes. That is 28.8 each. Playing Telfair for 10-15 seems like a waste.
we also need to have Price bring the ball up more, to save Nash, and let Nash run a screen before he gets the ball. Heck, let Nash run off a screen and pop from 3.
And Hak has been shafted. I’m not sure what he did wrong, but he was playing well as a small forward, very well. Playing a tired Grant Hill 34:26 minutes is nuts. Against Kobe and Carmelo, yes. Against this Dallas squad? No. His 8 turnovers, and lack of lift on his jumper second half all looked like tiredness to me.
Give Hak 12-15 minutes at SF, and save Hill.
No surprise…before the season Gentry said he wanted to play Hill 20 min. per game but he’s never been able to say no to Grant and Grant is never going to ask out of a game.
Not sure I agree about Hak playing the three but clearly Hill can’t keep playing this much. Gentry will certainly say so (again) and just as certainly ignore his own advice and keep playing Grant….b/c he’s Grant.
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 7:50 AM MST up reply actions
I liked hak at the three
And hill needs rest.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Jan 24, 2012 10:04 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I’m not sure about taking the ball out of Steve’s hands. If we do that, teams might start game-planning accordingly and denying him the ball. Do we really want Price having to make decisions with Steve on the floor? Steve wants the ball in his hands about 90% of the time.
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Steve is a knockdown shooter off the dribble and off the catch as well
The fact that we’re not utilizing that by running off-ball plays to get him open at the 3pt line could help us a lot, especially when we have two half-decent pass-first point guards stuck playing shooting guard.
We don’t need to run him through 5 screens and all around the court twice like he’s Ray Allen, something simple will suffice. Even just having him sit tight and wait for the corner 3 on a pick and roll with Price and Gortat gets the floor open wide since no one in their right mind will leave a 40% career 3p shooter wide open, especially if the other two guys camping at the 3 (say Morris and Dudley) also shoot a high %.
That was supposed to be the plan with Turkoglu. That’s just not how Nash plays. If he is on the court, the ball is in his hands.
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It sure beats not doing a damn thing.
Besides, Turkoglu is what, 6’8? With his size he’s simply not quick or good enough at penetrating the D to make them collapse on him even a wee tiny bit. On top of that, we did not have a big as good as Gortat at passing.
but why bringin g it up court?
Teams put 2nd string young guys like Avery Bradley and Roddy Beaubois on him full court, and waste his energy. Let Nash go up court, run off a screen and grab the ball. Same difference, less harassing of Nash and a 5 second break.
Maybe Hill will sit out tonight?
Maybe that is why he played 34 minutes? Anyone know if that is planned?
That would be my guess
Also I see Frye playing much more and that might lead to another loss… Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think he is just that bad that every time he plays extended minutes we will lose…
It just that we have anothe riddle to solve with Bargnani and Amir… Gortat is definitely our best big man defender but also the best rebounder. Bargnani will hang around the 3 point line a lot thus commanding his guy to follow him outside (if we don’t set up a zone, which i highly doubt).
He will prbably kill Frye 1-on-1 and if we put Gortat on him Frye will be eaten alive on the glass by Amir who is bigger and better in fighting for boards. If Frye continues to shoot like a blind drunk he will not be able to make up for defensive breakdowns on the offensive end. I don’t think Morris will have any more luck limiting Bargnani…
I doubt Gentry will try playing twin towers (although I actually think it would be a great idea for this game) and I don’t see any solution to this conundrum.
I believe Lopez could win the rebounding battle against Johnson while Gortat can at least hinder Bargnani’s ISO and 3 point scoring.
I also think that Gortat needs to have a much better game than yesterday – he missed lots of shots in the post – and for us to be successful he should go hard against Bargnani on the offensive end to wear him down.
I really think losing this game is quite possible…
I doubt Gentry will
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 24, 2012 8:13 AM MST up reply actions
Bargnani is out because of injury
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Wow, than we are good to go.
I see the trend of Suns going against teams missing key players is still on.
Hoe the losing stops though…
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 24, 2012 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
Amir Johnson is 6'9" 210,
That’s even smaller than Hak. Bigger is not the right word. He is very athletic and strong though, and is a good rebounder.
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Sooo... 19pts 17reb 2ast 3blk 0to in 37 minutes on 53% FG against all those 7 footers Mavs have?
Is Gortat still not “elite” enough to be considered among the best big men in the league?
Those are some ridiculous stats on both ends, maybe he could’ve shot a little better in the post like Piotr said, if he keeps this level of performance going he’ll be a strong candidate for the coaches pick for the All-Star game, he’s nearly averaging the same numbers as Marc Gasol (15 and 10) playing 7 minutes less per game!
It’s clear that him and Nash really need help out there though, we need not a second or a consistent scoring option of any kind period. Be it 15 or 10 points a game, it has to be consistent, preferably at that starting SG spot.
Those numbers are really goog. But...
They would look better , if the Suns won a few games more. Then more people could notice that. You know, even Polish media noticed his stats but mostly add Suns lost a game. Thats why his numbers are underrated. Secondly if Frye ,Dudz going down ,bench is not consistently enough, Suns very fast will lost more games. Nash Hill should have more time to rest MG as well. But Suns lose to much games and Gentry IMO don’t have a choice, to play them more than 33 min per game.
Not Gortat's fault we lose
I can;t name a single game he was substandard.
Also if you look at the last 5 or so games his numbers are 3rd best in the league at center
Right there with Bynum’s 18/14/2
Let’s see if he can carry on for another month or so.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 24, 2012 3:00 PM MST up reply actions
I have a feeling
gentry is starting price so when redd is ready he can slide into the lineup and have jd and brown roles already in place.
skitsophrenics are never alone-Just ask scott howard
Redd has nothing left
Unless thre is some miracle rehab they are working, he looks done.
Nope
He looks gassed but he moves pretty well.
He just needs conditioning work. Let’s talk again in a few weeks
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 24, 2012 3:01 PM MST up reply actions
Not a grat all around game to be sure...
But we have some things to take away from this loss…One of which is that Nash and Gortat needs someone to step up offensively to help out. Grant Hill tried, but with all the turnovers he created, it was kind of a wash. Maybe Coach Gentry needs to try Shannon Brown in the Line-up and look for Brown off the bench besides Telfair…
Let's do this...!
sheer rosterbation,who would do this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=79ww2v3
skitsophrenics are never alone-Just ask scott howard
Dudley and Frye not hitting threes is killing the Suns….too easy to clog the paint is those guys aren’t going to knock down open shots. Period.
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 9:26 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
interesting in the box score
channing -22 in just 15 minutes of playing time,ouch!
skitsophrenics are never alone-Just ask scott howard
Add Hill and Brown as well
You can;t win games when three of your best players are shooting les than .400 – and not shooting lights out from 3.
And Brown’s .383 and .317 3FG% really hurts when he takes 9.6 shots and 2.6 threes a game.
If anyone laid an egg last night offensively it was Nash. Hill looked good. Better than any other game. He had bounce in his step. Hill and Gortat carried the team offensively. Nash needed to step up earlier in the 4th qtr to try and close the gap but didnt.
Gentry is not the problem. The roster is the problem. There isn’t one coach who can fix the Suns issues with this current roster. The players need to play “better” plan and simple. They ’re Pros after all right?
I like Telfair as the back up gaurd over Price. He’s aggressive offensively and pushes the ball any chance he gets and try’s to create things. Plus he is active defensively. Price seems to do better when playing with Nash. He gets open set shots, and seems to play well along isde of Steve.
Keef needs to work some pick-n-rolls. I think that can definately get him into a rythem. I dunno why Nash doesnt play off both Keef and Gortat to keep defenses on their toes.
A couple of interesting tweets from Markieff this morning
Mirror check for myself tonight who I have been is not what I can be gotta get back to my old ways grimy hard nose Philly kid… Real rap
— Keef Morris(@Keefmorris) January 24, 2012
To many jump shots not getting fouled enough playing soft gotta turn it up starting tomorrow…. #teamfoe we back…..
— Keef Morris(@Keefmorris) January 24, 2012
Glad to see that he is aware of his performance and seems to want to change things. He’s only a rookie and will have his ups and downs, but seeing that he is committed to improving and isn’t making any excuses is reassuring.
That's awesome.
C’mon Kieff, unleash your inner Chuck again!
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Well that settles it….I’m going to start him tonight on MY team
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
Love that kid
Also the auto-analysis is spot on
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 24, 2012 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
No more Chuck Morris.
We should call Kieff “Jack Bauer”. It seems fitting.
Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.
Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
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I loved Walker, Texas Ranger and only watched one season of 24.
I’m sticking with Chuck.
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