Phoenix Suns Start Fast, Fade Faster, Fight Back, Fall Short: 96-99 to the Toronto Raptors
It was such a promising start. The Phoenix Suns had a 14-point lead against a road-weary team that had lost 8 consecutive games in the NBA and 14 consecutive games to the Suns since 2004.
Sounds good, right? Wrong. The Suns suddenly decided they were tired. Tired from a 5-game road trip that ended less than 24 hours earlier. Tired from playing against tough teams in the Eastern Conference on their turf. Tired from ending the trip against a tough Dallas team with Shawn Marion hitting big 3s.
The Suns made a late charge, pulling within 2 points with 22 seconds left, but it wasn't quite enough after the horrible second and third quarters. With Frye and Morris playing terribly, and Lopez ejected, the Suns had to play Hakim Warrick and Grant Hill at the 4 throughout the run. Not a good combination down low, no matter how lame the Raptors rebounding is.
At the end, the Suns just didn't have the juice, losing 99-96. At home. Against a bad team. Ugh.
Read on, if you have an ounce of nostalgia in your soul...
For the Raptors, their big producers were Andrea Bargnani (36 points, 6 rebounds, and a big hit on Grant Hill to knock him out of the game) and Leandro Barbosa (19 points including 3 big 3-pointers to cut the first-half deficit, 2 rebounds, a steal and a block).
LB after the game, on Suns Live, saying what he misses the most about Phoenix:
(after a long pause) "The fans was really great for me, man. The fans was unbelievable, and I miss that. It was 7 years here, and 7 great years for me in my life and my career and I can't forget about that. And definitely my teammates, and the organization too that helped me, you know, to be where I am right now, so I... I miss... I miss a lot in Phoenix." (LB looked like he was about to choke up at this point as Mark McClune wrapped it up and wished him well with his new teammates)
Sniff...(grabs kleenex)...(checks the internets to confirm, yes, Barbosa is an unrestricted free agent this summer...)
Anyway, excuse me, I digress.
Back to the game recap!
This was a night for young legs, and the Suns' young guys failed to show up
- Robin Lopez ejected after 4 minutes of play, with the Suns up 14 points.
- Markieff Morris' 16 minutes produced only 1 rebound and 4 points
- Shannon Brown's 16 minutes produced only 7 points and 0 rebounds or assists
- Sebastian Telfair missed 4 of his 5 shots
- Dudley did NOTHING until the last 37 seconds, hitting his only shot to pull the Suns within 4
- Frye did NOTHING with only 3 points and 3 rebounds all night
- Hakim Warrick did okay on 17 points and 4 rebounds. But the Suns played poor defense with him on the court
- Steve Nash with nearly a triple-double - 17, 14 and 7 rebounds
Robin Lopez Ejected For Bumping Ref; Suns Not Offering Extension - SB Nation Arizona
Instead of backing Lopez or giving a neutral response when asked what happened during the game, Gentry said: "I don't know. I don't really give a shit to tell the truth. You have to talk to him about that."Those were not the words of a supportive coach. Lopez was unavailable to the media after the game.
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I missed hte first part of the game
What did Lopez do to get ejected?
Voted most likely to say "I told you so"
Going to post some of my favorite feel good videos of the team...
Reposting them from the 2nd thread…
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10100223723143960
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPYB4U6kQbc – My favorite game to be at.
Never lowercase the SUNS in Phoenix SUNS!
In addition to that...
I wish I’d seen Barbosa’s post game interview. That guy is one of my favorites. I hope he can come back and play for us next year.
Never lowercase the SUNS in Phoenix SUNS!
If we could get every exSun to come back and go off for us like they do against us
we’d average 128 pts a night!
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Jan 24, 2012 9:58 PM MST up reply actions
What's truly pitiful
is that Marion scored 29 against Phoenix, yet the Suns still haven’t had a player score that many points in a game yet this season.
The ghost of Shawn Marion scored more than any Suns has through 17 games…..
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 24, 2012 10:09 PM MST up reply actions
Really, except for the shooting and rebounding and sometimes dribbling and passing and defense
We’re pretty good.
I'm Michael Beasley's imaginary friend.
I’m glad you didn’t. I don’t really miss Barbosa the player, but I was nearly in tears watching his honesty and openness during his answer to that simple question “What do you miss most about Phoenix?”
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by Alex Laugan on Jan 24, 2012 10:00 PM MST up reply actions
I miss LB!!!!!
He was so fun to watch man, and was so funny. Great guy and glad he was on our team for the good times.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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The SUNS are doing a great job of disguising their tanking...
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Jan 24, 2012 10:00 PM MST reply actions
As what? Tanking....
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 24, 2012 10:06 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for not sugarcoating it, Alex.
Gentry says “he’s disappointed.” You and me both.
The Suns already have home losses to the Hornets, Nets, and Raptors. Their combined record is 13-40. Take out the 3 wins and that would be 10-40. Home losses…. (ntm that the Cavs are only 6-10).
The Suns play at Portland and Houston and host Memphis and Dallas in the next 5 games (they also go to NO). It’s not looking good. It might be getting close to the point where I need to reassess my expectations for the season.
I don’t think I can remember feeling this dejected after a game since the losses to the Kings and Pistons last year.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 24, 2012 10:03 PM MST reply actions
Such embarrassing losses at home
You cannot succeed in the NBA if you have a poor home record… And we are losing at home to the bottom tier of the NBA. This roster won’t stay the same if we keep playing like this.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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This may be the statement of the day....
And we are losing at home to the bottom tier of the NBA. This roster won’t stay the same if we keep playing like this
Let's do this...!
I'm praying the Suns go 0-10 the next 10 games
Maybe that will wash off whatever delusion is in the face of the FO.
Where do I begin? The coach hasn’t done anything close to good this year, he seems to not know what TimeOuts can be used for, makes bad substitutions. I really don’t think he calls plays at all. He barely take advantage of players abilities beyond shooting (see Makieff’s post game and Chilly’s slashing).
Talent this is a word which barely exists in the teams vocabulary. Its just a mix of a star (Nash), a great defender (who this days turn the ball over a much as he gets stops), a finishing big man (who is totally dependent on being fed), a young prospect (Keef), and a bunch of players who at most are 8-9 bench guys on good team.
Defense for whatever reason, the Suns this season are getting stops (except when the game is really close and time is winding down), yet they make that go to waste by letting the opponents get the ball back for second chance points. The culprit, Gortat. You might say, “isn’t he a good rebounder?”, but the truth is he’s only thinking about his own stats. He doesn’t box out, which allows opponents room to the rim to get the ball back.
This team needs get amass losses to allow for the FO to throw in the towel on the season, as the only way this team makes the playoffs is if the all player of 7 other WC teams die or are all suspended for the rest of the year. This team needs to trade all or most of the following players for draft pick and expiring contracts;
Hill: this might very well be his last season, so y not get something for him, even if its just a late 20 pick
Frye: after defending him for so long, I think I’m through with that. To start the season, he was shooting poorly, but still contributed on the boards and on D, now he just stands around waiting to throw up another brick.
Warrick: as much as I like him, maybe we should just let him go, there’s gotta ge a team out there that’s looking for a 3.5 who can score.
Lopez: well, he’s a 7 footer, which still counts for something in the NBA
Dudley: if the right deal comes along.
That leaves the team with 8 players, hence the D-League will be used to fill the team (at least they’ll be hungry enough to show what they can do)
Roster for the remainder of the season
Nash(limited floor time) – Bassy(just to improve our pick’s chances)
Brown – Price
Redd – Chilly
Morris – D-League guy
Gortat – D-League guy
@jatrex
is the Phoenix about to rise after burning or the ashes has been blown away
by jatrex4suns on Jan 25, 2012 5:16 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Never hope to lose.
Bad things (See Clippers for last decade) happen…
Hope for the future.
Let's do this...!
Its not about me hoping we lose or not
This team is gonna keep losing as they’ve been doing, the thing is we need to stop being not good enough for the playoffs and not bad enough to get a great pick.
I haven’t seen Anthony Davis play, but it seems he’s pretty good to be expected to go 1st, and we sure could use another big man (I don’t like Morris game since coming to the starting lineup, but I expect him to bounce back). Harrison Barnes (we I have seen play) is pretty good and will be a great pickup for us, we probably can’t get both of them (unless we trade for a pick which turns out to be the 1st pick), but I see us being in position for Barnes
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is the Phoenix about to rise after burning or the ashes has been blown away
by jatrex4suns on Jan 25, 2012 8:01 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Gorat a "D" League player, your nuts.
Your long roster evaluation loses cred. my friend.
Nash, Gorat and Morris is what I would keep.
Jeez guys,
that was rotation – Gortat FOLLOWED by a D-leaguer
CHILL PEOPLE
all you need to do is read ;)
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 25, 2012 6:47 AM MST up reply actions
Thank you
@jatrex
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by jatrex4suns on Jan 25, 2012 7:49 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Toree. Toree. Afesh`nok.
Should have read a little more closely. I’ll go spank myself now….
Let's do this...!
As much as I want you to be right (Armageddon is so sexy...)
Gortat is the last guy on Earth caring “only about his stats”.
He is the guy giving up his body for charges each and every game, hustling better than any other suns player not names Price.
Also him giving up offensive rebounds is a complex matter – he is a great rebounder and he is pretty good at boxing out however our defensive scheme makes it tough on him.
He rotates and helps out so much that most of the time when a shot goes up he is either out of position or boxing out a guy who is the other team’s secondary rebounding threat.
If we switch back to hard nosed 1-on-1 D, if the perimeter gus didn’t let the other team penatrate easilly his numbers would have been much better and we, as a team, would give up less offensive boards.
As it is, it’s pretty much a pick-you-poison situation – he doesn’t help out, doesn’t challange the shot – the guy scores after burning his defender (be that Nash, Dudley, Frye… half the team plays matador defense right now) or he helps out, makes the guy miss his shot and we give up an offensive rebound because PF (Morris, Frye, Warrick) can’t hold his own on the defensive glass against the other team’s C/PF.
That’s a no win situation – we should either try
- playing Twin Towers with both Gortat and Lopez hitting the 15 footer (it wouldn’t clog the lane as much as it did last year)
- trade for a regular PF – who doesn’t hit the 3 but is a good low-post player and can hold his own on the glass against the other team’s counterpart.
There is at least 10-15 players in the league who fit this description and are not near max-contract territory…
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 25, 2012 6:39 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Jeezus
Something happenned to my one page long post…
crap.
In short – it’s not Gortat, he doesn’t give a shit about stats and stuff like that, it’s the defensive rotations and overhelping – and this is the new system. That’s we our rebounders are out of position most of the time.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 25, 2012 6:50 AM MST up reply actions
that should be your sig…“Armageddon is So Sexy”
reccd for combining world wide death with sex.
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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 25, 2012 7:36 AM MST up reply actions
Wait a minute, so Gortat is a statpadder and a product of Nash offensively?
Seriously, have you seen any of the games we played this season? You want to tell me Nash along with rebounding and defending also scores in the post for him now too?
The reason he’s getting 10+ rebounds a game is because he’s boxing out. Hardly his fauly Frye, Lopez and (sometimes) Morris do not.
Why LB! :(
This team is not the Suns team that I love, this team is a shell of it’s former self, as are most of it’s players.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
What I'd miss?
Couldn’t watch the game. I heard the last six minutes on the radio. Sounded really disheartening. We just never know what team is going to show up in a suns uniform. Big frowny face….:(
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Jan 24, 2012 10:07 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Actually,
We just never know what team is going to show up in a suns uniform.
it has been the crappy one with pretty alarming consistency.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 24, 2012 10:10 PM MST up reply actions
What do Jake Tsakalidis, Jake Voskuhl, Luc Longley and Pat Burke have in common with Robin Lopez?
Everything.
I'm Michael Beasley's imaginary friend.
by suns68 on Jan 24, 2012 10:07 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
At first I thought it was a joke... and laughed.
Then I realized it was true… and laughed again.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 24, 2012 10:11 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
HA!
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by Alex Laugan on Jan 24, 2012 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
Well,
Robin has the hair edge over Burke, and Burke has 3PT range, so I’d call it a wash.
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Blow it up
Trade Lopez to Portland for Kurt Thomas, Brown to Toronto for Barbs, Hill to Dallas for Marion, sign Tim Thomas and Eddie House, trade Warrick and Chilly to Charlotte for Diaw and trade Dudley for Bell, and trade the rest of the team for Amare to just sit on the bench and we’ve got
C – K Thomas
PF – Diaw, T Thomas, Amare’s corpse
SF – Marion
SG – Bell, Barbosa
PG – Nash, House
Oh wait…
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
by Suns R Us on Jan 24, 2012 10:12 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Speaking of Amare's corpse...
The Knicks moved into eighth in the eastern conference tonight, even though Carmelo made only one free throw the whole game.
I'm Michael Beasley's imaginary friend.
The Knicks have their share of problems too.
But right now any betting man would have them in the playoffs ahead of Phoenix this year.
That would be two years in a row that they made it and Phoenix didn’t.
Not only did the guarantee Amare’s money, but then they jettisoned their get out of jail free card on his contract. Then there’s that whole Melo situation…..
The Knicks make obtuse decisions and spit in the face of logic…..
But they’re still probably better than the Suns.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 24, 2012 10:24 PM MST up reply actions
not much better if at all...
its just that they play in the east where there is always a crappy team around the corner when you are in a losing streak. Certainly, despite the depressing play of the suns to date, you would have to say the Knicks have been even worse when you look at point differential and ease of schedule.
Pretty much this
New York may be somewhat better, but it is still much easier to make the playoffs in the East.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Only because
The East is CRAP. We’d make the playopffs if we were in the East.
Is that reasoning based on the Suns
3-5 record against Eastern Conference teams that includes home losses to NJ, Toronto, and Cleveland?
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 25, 2012 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
shhhhh
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by Alex Laugan on Jan 25, 2012 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
Oh and fire Gentry and get Pringles.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
by Suns R Us on Jan 24, 2012 10:17 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
lol
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by Alex Laugan on Jan 24, 2012 10:19 PM MST up reply actions
I wonder how good that team would actually be
I mean, Amar’e despite the tough start is a better player. Kurt Thomas is a little worse, but still the best backup big-man out there. Nash is only all-star caliber now. Marion isn’t all-star caliber anymore, but still a very good role player, good enough to start. Diaw is fat-er. I don’t even think Tim Thomas is playing anymore, something about his wife. Barbosa is still the same. House is probably done. Well, that team probably wouldn’t be a contender anymore, but they’d be a lot better than this one. I think they’d be like the Spurs of the past few years. In other words, good, but finished.
Don't trade Dudley!
Well.. That sucked donkey balls
So at what point does the front office decide to make a move? What new low do we need to hit??
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In AA, they say you have to hit bottom before you can recover.
We did tonight.
I'm Michael Beasley's imaginary friend.
No we haven't hit rock bottom until we lose to the Wizards
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
President's Day.
Monday February 20th.
It’s a home game…. so Phoenix is screwed. Can’t wait to tune in to watch them cast a magical spell on our ass.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 24, 2012 10:26 PM MST up reply actions
On another sad note
The whole Diawn to Phx idea is starting to sound like a decent idea at this point…
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What move can they make?
There’s no easy way to fix this. It’s going to take some time
by forget on Jan 24, 2012 10:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I am not saying they make a move to fix this season
more like making moves to get picks, or pieces for the future.
At 6-11 on the season so far, it’s going to take a huge win streak to get ourselves out of this hole we are digging ourselves into. With only 49 games left, it doesn’t seem very promising at the moment.
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But we don't have any valuable players
Outside of gortat. And he’s the one guy worth keeping
by forget on Jan 24, 2012 10:33 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Never know
I’ve seen worse trades in the history of the NBA. Might as well shop and see what they can get. So far this isn’t working.
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Hey, serious question
does Lon Babby actually watch the games?
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
he might be spending more time watching the calendar.
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by Alex Laugan on Jan 24, 2012 10:20 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Anybody got Marcus Banks' cell number?
‘cause he’d fit right in with this crew.
I'm Michael Beasley's imaginary friend.
He just signed with the D-League.
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open three from opposing team
I thought hiring Elston was going to improve the defense, but night after game after game I see open and uncontested shots from behind the arc. This is really confusing me. Do they go over this in practice, then the players just decide not to apply it to their game?
Well defense is one of those things that a player really has to put in the effort and want to do, while also being somewhat good at it. We have a lot of players that just are not great defenders.
Add that to the fact that with this condensed season, team practice is something that is not going to be a common event. I am sure the job Elston has on his plate at the moment is monumental.
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I didn't see the allegedly heartrending post game interview.
Anyone got video or a transcription?
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by PHXSunsRunNGun on Jan 24, 2012 10:33 PM MST reply actions
I would like to see one
If possible. I am pretty mad I missed the interview with LB after the game.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Sprite
Sprite is the answer to us coming short all the time. Gatorade is not enough to quench their thirst…they need Sprite and Grant Hill.
Everyone’s so bummed about this lost that the recap didn’t even mention Dudley’s dunk.
I wish Nash just did layups the last 5 minutes of the game. We probably could have won that way.
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Except we needed the kick-out 3 when he did take that late layup which he missed.
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What do we do with the garbage on this team?
We all know Nash and Hill are gone after this year. So we try to rebuild right? In the meantime how do we get Frye, Warrick, and Childress off this team? No one will trade for them
Let the fools have their tartar sauce!
by Funky Flapsack on Jan 24, 2012 10:39 PM MST reply actions
We can drop one of them with the amnesty at least
Let the fools have their tartar sauce!
by Funky Flapsack on Jan 24, 2012 10:47 PM MST up reply actions
I like warrick
and if we change styles we might have use for chilly(not likely) cant we just go back to run n gun. why r we on our knees sucking so much D%$K!
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
To be fair
The Raptors record is a lot worse than the team is because Bargnani missed the past 6 games before this one and without him the Raptors offense has been terrible.
Unlike previous seasons he’s shown himself to be really efficient this season and having him get back in time for the Suns game changes the teams performance a lot.
Without him the Raptors have no one to go to when shots aren’t falling or they’re having trouble on a possession, with him they have someone who can generally bail them out and make shots when it’s really needed
Hmm, I wonder what other word that starts with F and ends with "-ed" would fit for this Suns team.......
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by East Bay Ray on Jan 24, 2012 11:03 PM MST up reply actions
Frugleshmeghaned.
Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.
Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
by NashMV3 on Jan 25, 2012 12:16 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Gentry doesn't give a shit!!!
about the Lopez ejection…
Instead of backing Lopez or giving a neutral response when asked what happened during the game, Gentry said:
“I don’t know. I don’t really give a shit to tell the truth. You have to talk to him about that.”
Doesn’t sound like Lopez is on Gentry’s good side at the moment…
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Sounds legit.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Yeah lol
Pretty strong words. I have never heard Gentry talk about a situation regarding a player like that.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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I guess I would be pissed off too.
We are sinking fast and the dickhead probably cost us a game… Not sure if he would be of much help, but maybe he would grab a few more rebounds and the Raptors wouldn’t score those second chance points… Maybe Gortat would be a little less tired?
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 25, 2012 4:36 AM MST up reply actions
wait so he sucks so bad that he’s only playing 10 mpg but his getting ejected cost the Suns the game b/c he would have shut down Bargnani’s threes while not playing in the third quarter….got it!
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2012 10:28 AM MST up reply actions
not really
I’m saying that maybe we wouldn’t give up so many off rebounds end of thirs/ start of fourth when gortat was resting and we had a fierce rebounding lineup of Hak + Markieff/Frye on the court.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 25, 2012 4:05 PM MST up reply actions
Wow. Very interesting quote. Almost sounds like someone who’s saying “You idiot, are you trying to get me fired? We’re losing games here and they’re about to can me. Then you do this?!”
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 25, 2012 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
Nothing new to me
He gets almost no playing time after he got all that praise in the pre-season from Gentry. He produced one really nice game at the beginning of the season and then has tailed off completely.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!
thats why he must be traded. babs is talking like were just gonna let him walk
just terrible
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
Yeah....
I really don’t know what he would bring in a trade but really at this point almost anything is better. They sound like they have no intention on even giving him a look haha
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!
here is the thing for me..
this has been a pretty depressing season to be sure. But I don’t see how this changes until Dudley and Frye start shooting the ball better.
Teams have figured out that they can trap Nash hard (which has always been a bit of an issue) and it seems that they feel that they can save that for the second half (trapping hard would be too tough for a whole game). And when they do that the offence grinds to a halt…with Amare, to loosen up the inside Nash and Amare could create more open shots for the perimeter guys. and with great outside shooting, sometimes the opposite would happen where the outside shot opened up the inside for Amare (and Diaw in his day).
But Nash/Gortat for all the “goodness” they have brought are not quite capable of opening up the outside, and you can see Nash hesitating now to set up the 3 point shooters, with seemingly no consistent outside shooting. So with Frye and Dudley shooting so poorly the offence just grinds to a halt. (like tonight where the suns were stuck on 69 points for what seemed like an hour).
So unfortunately to me it looks like we will live and die with Frye and Dudley…if they can get it together we have a chance. If not this team will continue to struggle and be a big disapointment.
My other take is that as an offence first team, the short pre-season has been a particular killer. The suns need to be an efficient scoring machine to be effective and with the way their offence is set up, you can see that it is more difficult for them to get that together, without the practice time to solidify roles/rotations and frankly the shooting.
Scoring is down around the league, so empirically it seems clear that the short season has really hurt the offence first teams, with the post up, iso teams seemingly having an advantage there…You can see that their has been a big rise in teams that defend well, score off turnovers (Chicago, Philly, Miami) and/or have scoring machines that balance out the bad offensive execution.
by HarvMel on Jan 24, 2012 11:48 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Major rec, Harv. Very well stated. I completely agree with your assessment. We need outside shooting and Dudz and Frye have been the biggest problems this year.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 25, 2012 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
From Seth Pollack's Twitter
Nash: “We just don’t have the talent to go out there and win games. We’ve got to find a little bit something extra…”
There you go folks. You heard it from the leader himself :(
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Yeah we freaking suck
Frye sucks, Hill sucks, Warrick sucks, Dudley sucks, Brown sucks, Telfair sucks, Price sucks, Morris sucks, Redd sucks, basically everyone not named Gortat or Nash sucks. I hope you’re happy Sarver.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
He mentioned that before.
Nash talked how the Suns have to execute to a precision due to the lack of overall talent.
This is no new news folks.
I take this as him saying they have to out more into it.
They aren’t good enough to just go out and win games. They have to outwork their opponents every night, and a little luck now and then would help too.
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At least we get a high draft pick!
No but … we should definetly look into trading Steve Nash. I love him, he’s my idol. And it kills me to see him play so well and yet his efforts are futile.
I was thinking we trade Frye to the Pacers for Hansbrough and Lance Stephenson. Or perhaps, Frye for George Hill if they’re willing.
Or Frye to the Rockets for Marcus Morris and Flynn or changing Marcus to Chase Budinger since they love Chandler Parsons. If only …we could have Goran back.
Frye for Tyrus Thomas.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
which would get us worse off than we are today. Frye has at least proven himself a little bit.
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Would be down with Hansbrough
I hated him coming into the league but he has developed into a nice role player.
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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So the Little Master has said it.
I reckon there are some guys on this roster who don’t play with any ticker. There are some blokes on this roster who need to decide if they want to be in a Suns jumper or not. How can guys like Channing and Dudds be sent back to the bench and not bust their balls once they get on court? At least to try and prove a point. I don’t care if your not shooting 20ppg, but rebound, block, steal…..something! Come guys not named Gortat, Hill or Nash, pull you bloody fingures out. Rookies can be excused at this point.
P.S. Maybe this is what happens when you blow up a team that had chemistry.
A champion team will always beat a team of champions.
Actually Dudley busted his ass out there
I thought his effort was great – he just missed two of those great-wide-open 3’s.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 25, 2012 4:39 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, somewhat agree. Dudz effort has been good for the most part but shooting is beyond lame. Frye — everything is wrong.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 25, 2012 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
Well this sucks, how the hell did we lose to the Craptors?
Just looking at the highlights, Gortat was rotating onto everyone, Elston Turner is a horrible defensive coordinator, we’re starting to play like the Knicks on D, we got more rotations than the Earth’s axis.
I think that we just hired Elston Turner to look like we are doing something on defense.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Gortat would get 15+ rebounds every game if he didn't have to rotate to cover for, well, everyone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-sWiUvKxvI
Just look at this, even when we play good D are rotations are retarded. You have Morris leaving his man (Bass) to rotate to double Pierce (despite him being simply smothered by Hill already) and Gortat left to cover two bigs at the same time. It’s not like Morris made a mistake, he was looking to latch onto Pierce from the get go, so it’s pretty clear that’s what Elston Turner wanted them to do. And the Celtics get a wide open shot and score. DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR.
Agreed
Our bigs are taken out of play ALL the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHPq0Pl0x4 and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQqCXBpdPHo both show whopw our rotations work, and how they take bigs out of position.
We have to stop covering for Nash at least
A lot of this stems from everyone sliding over to help whenever someone drives on him, we didn’t do that last year unless it was absolutely necessary (say he played against Rose) and we did a lot better on D.
Nash can keep up with most guys, he just isn’t physical enough to stop them dead in their tracks. He was doing decent defensively last year and I understand he will get tried a lot more and it will mean he’ll have to play less but I’d rather have Nash for 25 minutes a night and great team defense for 48, instead of us only playing proper D with him off the floor. Defense is what wins games when your offense is only average, Nash and Gortat need a third or even forth player to help them carry the scoring.
We have two guys scoring 15+ points a night, which is good, what’s bad is compared to last year, those are our only two starters that score more than 10 points a game. That’s unacceptable and we won’t win any games that way. Sure it’s a shorter condensed season, no pre-season yadda yadda, but we’re 16 games in, we should be seing progress not regression. Especially from the younger dudes.
We played like a VelociCraptor ourselves.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 25, 2012 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe this loss was just the the wear and tear of a long road trip and a back to back game with a hungry,motivated raptors team waiting on the suns.
Things look pretty rough right now, but it’s still to early to give up on the season. I think we have a pretty good team with a solid bench on most nights. We just need to find the right kind of help for nash,hill and gortat. The most disapponting part is that gortat,nash and hill (i’d include warrick in this group but gentry never lets him play) are the only guys constantly fighting to get the win even when we’re down by alot.
Dudley used to do that, now he just spots up at the three pointline and you rarely see him dive for the loose ball anymore. Brown is starting to improve and price always gives good effort on the defensive end.
We just look really tired, like we constantly run out of gas in the second half of most of our losses. Even though it seems like we do this every season, it may be time for another trade. Nash,hill and gortat need some help to take the pressure off them.
It"ll be interesting to see what decision the front office comes to after these next five games.
well said
This squad appears competent, true. But I’m afraid you are in the last throes of making excuses for them when chalking up a loss to being tired. I’m sympathetic too, and miffed at the consummate losses. Why not predict what front office will do after these next five games?
Since I blame it on the players, I think many will go. If not, then the coach will go, and I like Alvin. As for the timing, major changes will happen right away, because the Suns do not want to tank the season yet. Some of these players sadden me about their improvements this season, but they go: Frye, Dudley, Chilly, Brown, Hak, Lopez (those who don’t start).
by audreyandchuck on Jan 25, 2012 8:59 AM MST up reply actions
It has to be
If we are hopeless. Try to get some draft picks!
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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I have noticed
A midway through the 4th quarter “let up” from us that seems to happen as we get some momentum, then do a horrible job finishing games. We really need points, it is so confusing.
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by Snowbird on Jan 25, 2012 1:20 AM MST via iPhone app reply actions
Nooo
First loss to Toronto with Steve as our PG….. Now we know where we really are this season LOL.
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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I wouldn’t even mind trading for those players who we label as “liabilities on the defensive end”, as long as the offense is there. Players like Barbosa wouldn’t be so bad for us right now, especially as we really suck on offense. And we’re already terrible on D, what could be worse? We can be the Suns of old where the gameplan is to play matador defense and just try to outscore the other team. Worked for 6 years.
The REAL Big 3: Nash, Frye and Gortat
trust me, there are worse options out there. You see what happens to the other team’s ability to score when Redd and Warrick play. Losing 110-100 is just as bad as losing 100-90 or 90-80. They are all 10 point losses
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Just depends on if you like scoring.
I, for one, prefer the 110-100 game.
This preference traverses into other sports for me, as well.
In baseball, losing 9-6 is the same as 3-0 (3 runs), but I’ll take option A. Guess I’m not a purist.
In football, losing 38-31 is the same as losing 10-3 (7 points), but I don’t take a whole lot of satisfaction in my team getting held to a field goal. In this respect, the new quarterback rules are working out spendidly for me.
Just a personal preference, I think offense is more compelling than defense. Someone else can be riveted by a 88-84 duel and that’s fine too.
I still contend that the league wide lack of scoring this year has more to do with bad offense than good defense, so that should enter into the analysis. I have watched plenty of well played, low scoring games… but most of the low scoring games I’ve watched this year looked like intramural basketball.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 25, 2012 9:37 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I just heard on the local radio Nash Trade to Orlando
It seems we are fuuuuzzy this season and it is rally dar right now, it is 6-11 I think? That is 1/4 of the season….If I can get Reddick and Anderson and get rid of Chilly, is a good trade…I guess…
roses are red violets are blue, Michael Redd is coming for you!
by Lino Canaan on Jan 25, 2012 4:43 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Chilly is a nail in our coffin lid; I don’t think there is a GM so stupid to pick up the Chilly contract.
But there's always the amnesty clause...
After the season. It’s not like we have to get rid of Chilly in a trade.
by 7footer on Jan 25, 2012 7:02 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
We already have Ryan Anderson. His name is Channing Frye and he’s just a little more tan but otherwise pretty much the same. Reddick? Eh. I’d rather have someone more athletic. Get Gordon in free agency or get someone else.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 25, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
Ryan Anderson>Channing Frye
Better shooter, better rebounder. Defense is probably equal.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 25, 2012 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
this team is unraveling
and nothing makes me sadder than to sit here and watch it happen
Hail to the 'Kieff!
Wow - this is sad
and for Nash to say that there’s not enough talent on this team… that’s gotta sting but it’s the ugly truth.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
That statement might have been directed towards the Suns front office.
A little jab to get them moving, maybe..? Or just maybe his frustration of having to haul mediocre players around the last two seasons…
Let's do this...!
Here's the audio of Nash
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/894202/Nash_postgame_012412.mp3
Not sure I would read too much into it. I think he was just being realistic. They can’t rely on raw talent to overcome working hard and playing 100% for 48 minutes.
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2012 7:34 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, you're right..
Maybe I was just pining my feelings on Steve for a moment…
It’s just amazing to me that he comes to play each and every night at nearly 38 and we got guys not even 30 that about as stable as water…
Let's do this...!
I said as much above.
They have to play harder.
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Sadly I am not surprised by this team.
I have always felt this team has two NBA starters in Nash and Gorat. The team is mismanaged in the Front Office. They for some reason still think as this team as a playoff type team. " We will keep adding bench player after bench player and Steve will make them better" They have gutted a roster, and gutted a bench, ( LB, Lou, and Dragic) A bench that use to come in a dominate and take over a game, to a roster now that is almost un-tradeable.
A pipe dream to think that this team could make the playoffs. There just appears that there is no forward thinking with this Front Office. Moves need to be made, but me personally I have no faith in the people who will make those moves.
Pretty much this
We’re stuck in the Cavaliers mindset, they always though Lebron made everyone better so he always had fantastic role players and third option type of guys. But he never got his Robin, ever.
Right now we have two great players and an absolute abyss of a dropoff in talent level between them and the next guy. We have 10 great bench players, and what we need (and what I’d rather have) is 3 average starters. No one outside of Keef, Nash and Gortat should be out of trade talk. Anyone is up if packaged together they can get us a starter caliber player.
And we can’t bank on 2012 either, there is no one left to sign pretty much. Westbrook is extended, Love is too, Gordon is close to being extended, we have slim chances of getting Howard or D-Will, or both, and by the time the FA class rolls in it’ll be all washed up guys re-living their glory days. And we’ll sign three of them and be stuck on the treadmill of mediocrity for another year because Nash (if he resigns) and Gortat are too good to lose more than 2/3rds of the games they play in, we’ll becom the Milwaukee Bucks. I DON’T WANT US TO BE THE BUCKS GODDAMNIT.
I can deal with my teams sucking...
but when the management drains hope for the following season it’s just depressing. Nothing Sarver or Blanks/Babby has given me confidence they can turn this team into a winner before trade deadline or in the off season. Even landing Gortat cost the Suns too much in terms of chemistry/talent and really was just a trade made to undue the colossal mistake that was LB for Turkaglu.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 25, 2012 2:56 PM MST up reply actions
It is as simple as missing shots
STILL.
I’m not sure Frye will get better, and Dudley and Hill haven’t been good either.
We are starting to use Shannon Brown better, with backcuts and NO dribbling, so that is encouraging, but if three of your rotation players shoot under .400 Brown, Hill and Frye and as a TEAM you shoot .334 from three, and you don’t rebound well, man, you ain’t gonna win many games.
I keep believing that Frye, Hill and Dudley will get it back, but at this stage, 17 games into 66, it is getting harder and harder to believe this is a blip.
If we can get our 3FG% up to .370 as a team, and Frye, Hill and Bron can get their FG% above .400, I still believe we are a solid, .500 team. But until that happens, we are going to have 26 point in game swings (from +14 to -12 in 12 minutes).
All in All I thought the Suns play well. Nash stepped up big time the 4th qtr. We need Nash to completely take over. I think he should look for his shot more often. The difference in the game even with the Raptors getting that 14-2 run on the Suns was late game stops. Suns couldnt get any stops in the 4th qtr and the Raptors made stops on the Suns.
This compressed schedule is effecting every team in the league. However I think it is really efftecing the Suns b/c of lack of practice time. Tired legs are tired legs, these guys will get through that like in every season. But lack of practive together is hard to over come. The consistancy is starting to show. They are playing better. Hill is almost back to his old self. Remember he is recovering from Knee issues. Once Hill is 100% we’ll do a lot better b/c Hill starts the majority of our fastbreaks. Last night he had a few fast breaks and look pretty quick for a 39yr old sprinting own the court. Gortat is playing out of his mind ringht now. I hope it continues. I know Nash spoon feeds him but Nash doesnt drain the 15 footer for him.
I think we’ll make a late season surge, I really do. And we’ll still have a good draft pick. As long as we’re competitive (which we are) then I’m ok with how this short season will turn out.
I am one of the most optimistic guys and even I am about done with that. I think you’ve had a little too much chronic.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 25, 2012 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
I just don't see it
We are not only losing, but losing to bad teams. We are losing to teams missing their best players and we still can’t even COMPETE in these games!!!! I try to stay optimistic but this team is just not good enough. When we aren’t playing on top of our game we have no chance of winning.
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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6-11
As long as we’re competitive (which we are)
translates to 29-53 in a regualr season.
That’s not competitive. They need to do better.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 25, 2012 11:11 AM MST reply actions
We're competing hard for ping pong balls, that's for sure.
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by East Bay Ray on Jan 25, 2012 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
A sound strategy.
Remember when Boston did that and drafted Greg Oden and won 3 championships?
by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 25, 2012 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
No but I remember when they got the 5th pick that draft and traded it for prime Ray Allen
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Brilliant move. #5 was Jeff Green right?
Now if we can only find a team with an owner who is purposely tanking his team to create a false impression of low value in order to move the team to his home city due to lack of revenue.
Wait a minute, that’s the Suns. The San Diego Suns.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 25, 2012 4:57 PM MST up reply actions
Yep, Green.
Who they ended up acquiring anyway, oddly enough.
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Curse of the Green!
Allen for Green was theft, but Allen had a huge contract the time so there was some risk. The KG trade is what really made them contenders and was a head scratcher because of the trades that McHale turned down for KG before that.
I would not mind seeing Celtics crash and burn this year.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 25, 2012 10:31 PM MST up reply actions
Keep watching then.
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Bugger bugger damn
Turn out the lights. For me this is the all time worst, most discouraging loss – ever. DeRozan is OK. Bargnani is the destitute man’s Nowitzki. The rest of the Raptors are scrubs and role players. They can’t find their shoes, let alone tie them. Gimme – a – friggin – break. What has become of us??
Bizarro World where we are now the Raptors....
Hopefully we don’t have to pay Canadian taxes…those are a beast…
Let's do this...!
we’re not the Raptors until we hire the “best GM in basketball” and still never make the playoffs for 6 more years despite that many roster turnovers.
We are NOT yet the Raptors.
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by Alex Laugan on Jan 25, 2012 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
Not that this digression matters at this painful time, but ..
.. Uh not really. As a Canadian taxpayer I can tell you that our overall personal and corporate rates are actually quite a bit lower than in many states. We do however have a value-added goods and services tax called HST. It’s much hated but in terms of national debt it has saved our bacon (get it??).
(And now back to whining and mourning)
Don't forget...
Canadians also get to travel the world with multiple red maple leaf patches sewn all over their clothes and luggage so as not to be confused with us Yanks. Must be nice to not have your food spit on when you travel or get charged double for taxi rides.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 25, 2012 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
That's a good point...
Getting your food spit on when you get ridden by a taxi kinda sucks…
Let's do this...!
The image of getting spit on while pulling a rickshaw...
seems like an appropriate metaphor for Nash and the Suns right now.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 25, 2012 3:26 PM MST up reply actions
bugger bugger damn yo!
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by Alex Laugan on Jan 25, 2012 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
Those Raptors announcers were drooling over Nash all night.
They seriously love him. Too bad the Raps don’t have anything the Suns can use because that would be one of the most realistic trade partners.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 25, 2012 2:34 PM MST up reply actions
We need to be better at basketball.
Don't trade Dudley!
by Beavis 25 on Jan 25, 2012 12:17 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Can somebody loan Aaron Brooks 5,000,000 yuan?
To buy out his contract so that somebody besides Nash and Gortat can get a bucket? He’s averaging 20ppg, 5 assists, 50% FG%, 40% 3pt% against YMCA talent, but he is probably in basketball shape with an extra month of being Chinese Jordan.
Without a doubt a low for the season. The only thing lower will be if they trade Nash or he gets injured. I feel like Sarver has burned too many bridges to make a decent trade to salvage the season. Babby was an agent for Ray Allen so I figure that is the last player he can bring to the Suns that he was an agent for. Grant Hill, Lopez, and Josh Childress for Ray Allen!
by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 25, 2012 2:32 PM MST reply actions
SO how much is 5,000,000 yuan in US dollars anyways...?
I might be able to help…I have a bag full of Aluminum cans I was getting ready to cash in…
Let's do this...!
5,000,000 yuan = one IKEA store inventory
Let’s pool our resources here and bring back Chinese Jordan. My girlfriend has at least 1/2 of it covered in our house alone.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 25, 2012 3:23 PM MST up reply actions
Nash has our 2 highest scoring games this season
26 and 24 points. We have no 30 point scorer on the season….
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Gortat had 24 too I believe,
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Well the Raptors just beat the Jazz
in double OT…
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