Memphis Grizzlies at Phoenix Suns Game Preview: Lineup and Rotation Changes
Hey guys guess what!? It's a new day and time for another game! I think that's the only consolation we're going to have this year with the shortened season - we will be able to forget bad losses like last night and move on quickly to the next bad game.
The Suns (6-12) arrived back in Phoenix around 2am and have this beautiful Saturday to forget last night's abomination of a game in Portland and prepare mentally and physically for a younger Memphis Grizzlies (10-8) team hungry for a win. Yaaay! They'll probably watch film this morning and hold off on working out.
This is all that really needs to be said - the Suns need to win.
But for some extra Saturday morning reading please continue my good sirs and gentlewomen.
After last night's loss only two players took to social media to say anything. First was Jared Dudley -
Embarrassing indeed. Their 109-71 loss last night was the third worst margin of defeat in Suns history. Was it Phoenix Suns basketball? No - but maybe it is the 2011-12 Phoenix Suns basketball because we're seeing a trend. Lots of turnovers - inconsistent scoring - and a lack of mental/emotional focus. These things have been quite common this season and have been major contributors to the worst start in Suns history since 1996-97 when they went 4-14 after booting Sir Charles Barkley.
You'll play with more energy and passion tonight? Hope so. Grant Hill was quoted after the game saying this,
"The thing that was surprising was that I thought we kind of folded... we stopped competing there as soon as they came out and hit us hard. Instead of hitting back, we just kind of folded."
More energy and passion are good starting points for writing this ship - and they're going to need LOTS of energy to keep up with the young guns of Memphis.
The second player to take to social media last night was Channing Frye, here's what he had to say on his Facebook page,
This is not acceptable indeed. The Suns are trying but it isn't working. Trying sometimes isn't enough so do they actually deserve it? I personally think if they deserved it they would achieve it, they would be winning games if they deserved it. Deserving it means making the proper adjustments and executing and the Suns just haven't done that quite yet.
Speaking of adjustments... Alvin Gentry said of the starting lineup and rotation after the game,
"We are going to make a change, we're going to do something because obviously this is not working what we're doing now."
So expect some lineup changes for tonight's game - I don't have a clue what they might actually be but my only guess would be that the Rookie is out of the starting lineup.
The GRIZZLIES
Rudy Gay is a bonafide Suns-Killer. He averages about 25 ppg against the Suns and more recently Mike Conley has proven to give Steve Nash a VERY hard time penetrating the lane and even bringing the ball up because he is a very very sneaky snake.
It has been the perimeter shooting that has gone south for the Grizzlies - it will be the Suns job to make sure that their perimeter shooting stays sub-par if they hope to get a win tonight.
Here are my keys to this game.
Euty-KEYS
- Limit Turnovers
- Consistently Score
- Score More Than 9 Points in Any Given Quarter.
- Keep Rudy Gay in Check
- Maintain Energy for 4 Quarters
- Get a win.
Is that too much to ask for?
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Great write up Euty. New day, new chance to be a blindly naive and hopeful Suns fan!
by Icarus012 on Jan 28, 2012 8:39 AM MST via iPhone app reply actions
Nice Euty. I think it's hard to write something positive after last games.
This game was almost the same like Portland had in Phoenix. I can forget about this match, but Suns need to give me,us some positives. IMO Dudz and Frye have to play better .For me both of them are the most disappointment in Suns team so far. I don’t write about FO or coaches. First players have to prove something.
So my question is
Is it still worth it to try and sneak into the Playoffs, or should we all just be hoping for a high lottery pick? Because I really don’t want this season to end up like last year: No Playoffs, but mediocre enough for a bad pick.
Joe Saunders: "They Giants played a really good game, so hats off to us"
High pick>>>>>>falling short of a first round exit
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Only if we can convince steve to play
I dont wanna suck if its his last season. Convince him to reup with us and limit him to 26 min a night. Play our brnch guys. See what jchill can do and up his trade stock
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
by phxpurple on Jan 28, 2012 10:03 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
PLAYOFF?!
WE’RE JUST TRYING TO WIN A GAME!
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
*playoffs
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
Playoffs!?
We’re talkin bout the playoffs, man! Notta game. Nottanottanotta game. Playoffs?! Playoffs?! Its the playoffs, man!? We’re talkin bout the playoffs man! Playoffs?!
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by Walter ChronKite on Jan 28, 2012 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
I'm beginning to believe
that Michael Redd isn’t the final piece to the puzzle.
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You might just be right
Twitter me at: @sethpo
by Seth Pollack on Jan 28, 2012 9:33 AM MST up reply actions
This is a shocking development.
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by East Bay Ray on Jan 28, 2012 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
I can't begin to express
my disappointment.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 10:13 AM MST up reply actions
Dwade and lebron have more vertical jump
Than our entire team. In a season like this, you dont time for schemes. You need athletes and wyen you combine almost everyone one on our team being out of shape with the fact that we were never really athletic to begin with….well you see ut
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
by phxpurple on Jan 28, 2012 9:34 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Srry for the phone spelling btw
Sausage thumb+touch screen= a special ed phxpurple
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
by phxpurple on Jan 28, 2012 9:36 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Shannon Brown
demonstrates your point quite clearly. He along with Price are the only two gifted athletes on this ballclub in a league where playoff bound teams have six or seven.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 9:42 AM MST up reply actions
Pretty much
And our best athletes lack any offensive skills at that. I still see shannon brown having that upaide of a poor mans jrich if he ever learn to shoot and use his body to play off the ball. But like you said, you cant win without having 5-6 pure bonafide athletes
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
by phxpurple on Jan 28, 2012 9:50 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Its amazing how quickly this franchise
has devolved. What a sad commentary that the most consistently effective player is 39 years old. Oh well, I guess I’ll be back to check on the Suns again in a couple of years. Maybe new ownership?
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
Yep
The las vegas suns
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
by phxpurple on Jan 28, 2012 10:04 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
When I saw my first Suns game
they were playing at the then almost brand-new Veterans Memorial Coliseum, with Paul Silas and Connie Hawkins at forward, Dick Van Arsdale and Gail Goodrich at guard, with Jim Fox at center. The Suns weren’t big winners in those days, either actually, and the stands were half empty. I remember my dad complaining about the (get this) $7 per ticket price…
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
$7!!
thats a hotdog without ketchup or a drink nowadays.
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
by phxpurple on Jan 28, 2012 10:23 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
And we were seated about halfway down on the lower level
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 10:26 AM MST up reply actions
I'd love me some Jerry Colangelo right now
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
Well, he's not riding into USAC on a white horse anytime soon..
So we gotta figure how we get relevant again from here…
Let's do this...!
Hey txzona
fancy meeting you here! The funny thing about the Colangelo days was that we complained that the Suns could never get an effective big man down low, and that they were always being bullied by the Lakers and the Trailblazers.
The more things change…
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
Oh the irony
Can we catch a break
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
by phxpurple on Jan 28, 2012 12:30 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
The big difference
was that in the old days, the Suns could more or less consistently hit the mid to long range jumper, except in the last five minutes of the fourth quarter, of course…
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
In all fairness
this organization had to go through a rebuilding phase at some point.
Look on the bright side, we’re closer to rebuilding than San Antonio is!
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
Are you in any way affiliated with the Texaz Grill?
Cuz, if so, I’d like a chicken fried steak, please.
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by East Bay Ray on Jan 28, 2012 6:51 PM MST up reply actions
And mashed potatoes and a biscuit
Or for breakfast with eggs and an english muffin.
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by East Bay Ray on Jan 28, 2012 7:04 PM MST up reply actions
We suck so bad right now that we don’t even have a puzzle. We have a fucking enigma!
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 28, 2012 2:10 PM MST up reply actions
The 2011-2012 Phoenix Suns: an enigma wrapped inside a riddle wrapped inside a ton of missed jump shots.
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by East Bay Ray on Jan 28, 2012 6:52 PM MST up reply actions
Let RoLo PLAY!
Build his confidence and give him playtime, at this point is time to give consistent minutes to players, play Dudz and Frye for 30 mins and RoLo 20 consistently.
roses are red violets are blue, Michael Redd is coming for you!
by Lino Canaan on Jan 28, 2012 9:55 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I would like to see
Us play a gane with mostly our bench. See who sinks and who swims. I wanna know if jchill is realky so bad or if hes just unlucky and is a starter waiting to break out. Feed him the ball! Best mix of offensive talent and athleticism on our wings
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
by phxpurple on Jan 28, 2012 10:06 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Lopez strikes me as a bit of a head case
which means he’ll have some up moments, but plenty of down ones to balance things out…
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 10:07 AM MST up reply actions
puh..
i will think about watching the game..
hey.. its no question, i survived the 5 a.m. 42-11 blazers run yesterday.. or something like that.. It cant get any worse.. so lets try again!
Stuttgart Sport
Suns, FCK, Packers - thats Feld
You're a true hero!
roses are red violets are blue, Michael Redd is coming for you!
by Lino Canaan on Jan 28, 2012 10:47 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Mad respek yo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ1rSywlm7U
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!
This is the kind of penetrating analysis
Score More Than 9 Points in Any Given Quarter.
a person can only get on BSOTS.
I wish the Suns production group would make this one of the keys on the pre-game show tonight. Might as well keep a sense of humor through this.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 28, 2012 10:37 AM MST reply actions
A new day provides new opportunity.
No reason to dwell in thoughts morbid and attitudes morose.
It is an intersting dynamic that when the threads are gushing with effusive optimism I am sometimes viewed as the wet blanket, yet when the prospects appear decidedly more grim I still dissect them pragmatically and try not to dwell too long in dark thoughts.
Everyone should be happy. Everyone wins in one way or another.
The people who wanted Nash gone so the Suns could tank for ping pong balls… the Suns are well on their way to securing that coveted top 5 pick. We all know Stern is going to give the #1 pick to NO, but the Suns could have as good a chance as anybody at getting the #2 pick. Plus, if the precipitous plummet continues, the Suns are probably likely to make at least a couple moves to pare off any shred of talent that remains on this team. Rejoice!
The people who wanted to keep Nash… He’s here. Enjoy. The team is struggling mightily, but this was the choice over the complete apocalypse. Sure we’re a little sympathetic to Nash playing with this motley crew, but Steve is still nashing (credit given) along at a fairly prolific pace… so soak it in. Maybe he’ll even stick around and the team can catapault its way back into competition next year. Plus, if he decides to stay the Suns will have Nash, Gortat, $30 million dollars AND a top 5 pick!
It’s a win win situation, which is only fitting… because the Suns did an excellent Charlie Sheen imitation last night.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 28, 2012 10:57 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
I always soak watching Nash play in
He is my favorite of all time and I will sadly miss him when he is gone. Even though we get smashed I still get to see Steve be Steve.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!
On the folding issue
I’ve been thinking about this. I feel it’s one of the side effects of having no long term plan. A lot of players are on one year deals, everyone’s just waiting for the summer. So, what motivation is there? As a team, this collection of players aren’t really playing towards anything COLLECTIVELY.
Of course, players like Brown on one year deals should be going out there trying to earn their next multiyear contract, but that doesn’t seem to be the case…
In general, I agree
but its a stretch to imagine that this ownership-management group is going to turn things around in the offseason. Sure, they’ll make some moves, but there are real problems within the organization that will make a genuine turnaround (and by “turnaround” I mean make the team a true contender) highly unlikely.
Maybe Mr. Sarver should consider following the lead of Ken Kenrick. Mr. Kenrick saw that the “moneyball” approach his general manager and coaches were employing were not the panacea he thought it would be. He fired the GM and the coach, and brought a coherent baseball traditionalist in lend stability to the front office and the playing field with impressive results.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
I actually do not know who the Suns General Manager is
so take my opinion with a grain of salt. But this franchise is directionless. It lost something when Steve Kerr stepped down, and hasn’t retained much of an identity beyond it’s Steve Nash brand. I guess what I would do (and this involves spending lots of someone else’s money), I would hire someone with a vision for a successful basketball franchise like a Paul Westphal as GM and give him great powers to build that successful franchise. That means hiring and firing of coaches and players. This means taking some expensive risks. But I see no other way to ‘organically’ make this a viable contender anytime in the foreseeable future.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
There do seem to be some guys just looking to get their own and having no semblance of how to play team basketball glancing at Shannon Brown
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 28, 2012 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
lol, didn’t realize putting stars around something bolds it
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 28, 2012 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
We gotta get off Brown's back a little bit
Last 4-5 games he has been much better.
His gamelog shopws ion the last 4 games – limited sample size I know – shows that 3 of the 4 games he has taken less than 10 shots.
We are playing him a little better as well, with backcuts and the like, and he isn’t taking whole possessions and shooting contested 20 footers much anymore – that has become Telfair’s domain.
The only issue I have is that Brown is leaking out a lot now, and his rebounding has dived. I guess that is OK, as long as we don’t EVER play Hak and Frye together – as 4 and 5 – ever again.
I think Occam's Razor Applies
The simplest explanation is the Sun’s playing talent isn’t very good. I think that explanation sums up our troubles accurately.
Good preview Euty...
I for one don’t like to see a team quit. That ass-kicking last night might have been acceptale on the second night of a back to back if we didn’t have Nash, Hill and Gortat. But neither was the case. There is no excuse for that kind of performance, period.
Okay, Okay, I may be an eternal optimist but I also realize the talent deficiency problem. I got it. But I want to see some fight in them. To lay it all out on the court each and every night—That;s what’s up… I know moral victories are subjective, and they may not mean that much to everyone, I just think it’s always better to have a fighter’s mentality…It’s how you win championships by overcoming circumstances and pushing through obstacles.
I don’t think it’s that much to ask for our guys to bring it each and every night.
Let's do this...!
You sure do an awful lot of comlaining
for an eternal optimist… ;)
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 28, 2012 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
BTW---What is comlaining...? With you I can't be sure if this is a misspelling
That one is not even in the urban dictionary…I’m digging out the GhettoFab dictionary just to be sure…
I have a feeling it has to do with “crap” or “toilets” :}
Let's do this...!
Just an unforunate instance of illiteracy
precipitated by the erroneous assumption I could make a casual post without proofreading for keystroke errors.
I meant complaining.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 28, 2012 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
Thank you....
I was just about to pull up “the Longshoreman’s Vernacular” in my quest for comlaining….
Let's do this...!
The thing is
I think they are bringing it. This is their best effort. It just isnt enough. The best way to to get out of a shooting slump is to practice. But theres no time to practice so it just gets worse.
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
by phxpurple on Jan 28, 2012 11:48 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
From a player stand point I think so
Now from a scheme and planning stand point. Our coaches dont know jack. Defensive mismatch offesive without direction. People standing around not knowing theyre role. Nothing but high screen gortat PnR. Gentry doesnt designate a guy to be the go to guy at any point in the game other then gortat and shannon brown after he finanlly hits a contested 3. Dont you here him on the sidelines?
“mmmkay guys we gota do better guys”
“we gotta make those shots guy”
He doesnt give real answers or make adjustments.
Dont you notice that when someone starts scoring on us, they keep on on scoring. They dont get stopped. They just keep scoring. Them by the time gentry does something were down 16. Hes more of a coach to manage big talent and pregame plan but has no real identity for the team, just whatever people in the league say the suns should be. But poor at midgame adujustments like a doc rivers or popo or rick c.
No way I could ever see gentry coach a team from 27 down to a win.
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
by phxpurple on Jan 28, 2012 12:12 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Again the bad grammer is the phone
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
by phxpurple on Jan 28, 2012 12:13 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I hear what you are saying regarding schemes, coaching, personnel, etc.
A lot of it may be true…Last the body language of the players from midway through the second periond on said “QUIT” loud and clear,,,
Let's do this...!
Shooting slump or not
relying on outcourt shots for offense is a losing proposition. On occasions where they are hitting their floor shots, we’re kind of lulled into a false sense of security into believing that it’s a good team based on a 50% field goal percentage. This team needs to be able to get out on the fast break and score, and be able to score in half court situations at will. It just doesn’t have the personnel to do this.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
Shooting 3s is the pretty much the most efficient option in all of Basketball
Last year we hit .377 which is .565 from 2, or 1.13 points per shot. No one shoots .565 from 2 consistently, and 1.13 points per shot, or 113 per 100, is pretty good.
The only way to do better is to get to the free throw line.
Not last night
They straight up quit last night. Even Grant Hill said it on his twitter. I could see it in their body language last night. So many dropped heads and just a lack of effort to get loose balls and stuff.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!
I'm gonna have to be drunk for this one.
That’s my analysis of this game.
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
by Scott Howard on Jan 28, 2012 12:00 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Between Euty's keys for the Suns
and Scott’s keys for the fans, I think all the bases are covered.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 28, 2012 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
That's really the only key the fans need for this one.
I pity those who are under age.
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
by Scott Howard on Jan 28, 2012 12:08 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah but id feel like a jerk for saying that
My Dad is on the wagon. So I’ll leave it alone.
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
by Scott Howard on Jan 28, 2012 12:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Tell your Dad I said Good luck" and I'll keep him in mind...
It’s just something we gotta do…
Let's do this...!
I'll do that (honestly)
And thus concludes my most serious BSOTS conversation ever.
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
by Scott Howard on Jan 28, 2012 12:35 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I hope I'm not the only youngin' here who has no idea what 'on the wagon' means
I’m assuming trying to stay sober? Can I get some history lessons pleeeeaaze
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
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I found this on Yahoo...
Though the phrase “to fall off the wagon” can allude to any number of vices, it usually refers to a person’s failed attempt to give up alcohol. After doing a bit of research, we uncovered the origin of this temperate expression.
In the late 1800s, many Americans campaigned for a government ban on liquor (crazy, we know). Those who chose to live the sober life were said to be “on the wagon.” Mavens’ Word of the Day explains that in this case, the “wagon” was actually a water cart used to hose down dusty roads on hot days.
Basically, saying that a person was “on the wagon” was shorthand for “they would sooner climb aboard a water cart to quench their thirst” than have a drop of liquor. We doubt many demonstrated the vow by actually jumping up on carts, but the phrase makes their commitment clear.
http://ask.yahoo.com/20060907.html
Let's do this...!
awesome
I love BSoTS – you learn new things everyday
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
I'm a Call of Duty Phenom, peep my YouTube.
Follow @LUDACLIPS
I am envying you right about now, Howard...
You just don’t know how hard it is to fly straight after last nights’s game…
Let's do this...!
It will get better
Creeping up on 4 months sober and never felt better! Lost 12 pounds, more energy and no hangovers. It’s worth it.
Alea iacta est!
by PolishHammer on Jan 28, 2012 2:13 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for the encouragement.
I aim to get there…plus I’m thinking all the money I’ll save
Let's do this...!
Keep going guys.
I gave up alcohol and red meat for a year not so long ago. I dropped from 97kg to 82kg and the quality of life i gained is unbelievable. PolishHammer and Daryl Ray i salute you both.
by Sunderstruck on Jan 28, 2012 5:39 PM MST up reply actions
One reason to hope and one reason to watch.
Hope – The Grizzlies only have one road win against a team with a better record than the Suns (Minnesota) and zero against teams with winning records.
Key Matchup – If Gortat can dominate the individual matchup against Gasol it might help build his case to be a coach’s selection in the all star game. He needs to rebound after a poor shooting night punctuated by the team’s performance contributing to ending his double double streak.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 28, 2012 12:07 PM MST reply actions
I don't think he earned to be All Star game player this year.
However it would be nice to see him beeing equal or better than Gasol.
I still don't think he'll get picked as one,
but I dont’ know about earned…
Gortat is 11th in the NBA in rebounding at 9.9. 3rd among WC centers (Gasol is 2nd).
Gortat is 13th in the NBA in blocks at 1.7. 4th among WC centers.
Gortat is 1st in scoring among WC centers at 14.9(unless you count Jefferson)
Gortat is 1st in the league in FG% at .577.
Gortat is 21st in the league in PER at 22.08.
His numbers have also been trending up (with the exception of last night) since his early season injury.
He should definitely be given consideration, but unfortunately he does have many factors working against him.
One of his ardent supporters should make the case for him as the deadline for coaches selections approaches. There are only 3 more days for fan voting…
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 28, 2012 1:19 PM MST up reply actions
And Marcin is doing all of this
on a team with little support other than Nash and Hill.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 1:27 PM MST up reply actions
Other than Nash
Hill has been woeful on O, and very good on D. Net result is… below average performance. Hill has just shot soooooo poorly, it really has hurt the team.
Look Jim I agree with you. According to stats.
But even Gortat said that he is not interested(however everyone wants to play). He would wanted to play in playoffs. Second . He said that others players still look at him as a Howard’s back up. Yesterday Portland stopped him . For me it is important to know , will he be back on track?
But do we really want to hope for a win at this point?
Joe Saunders: "They Giants played a really good game, so hats off to us"
I don't think we're tanking yet.
If we were, Lopez, Childress, and Warrick would be getting like 30+ mins a night to increase their trade value.
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That's a good observation.
I hadn’t considered that, but If we start seeing these guys get major minutes, it would appear our FO has pulled the plug on the life-support system…
Let's do this...!
Oh yes
If jchill warrick and all those guys can pack their stats theyll look more attractive. Once more injuries come down the road Playoffs bound teams might be willing to selloffs theyre picks or uneeded players to us. Weve got one extra player at every position so I dont see how we couldnt make some trade.
Also why is dudley untradable? when I tried to work a trade with him on the trade machine it said not possible
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by phxpurple on Jan 28, 2012 12:36 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Suns could do that.
But which way they will go? IMO they will try to win more games. Suns really need to rise because most of them won’t find job in any other team. Gentry will look for new start lineup and rotation or FO will fire him.
nice preview Euty
the Grizz are a fast, energetic team and even if they have been struggling recently from behind the arc, they are a deadly team if they get open looks as well.
After a loss like last night’s, it’ll be interesting to see how the Suns respond.
The problem, and I think we’re all aware of this, is that regardless of effort level the Suns are outmatched in talent quite often.
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Like Toon Army Sun said somewhere up there
A lot of the players on this team don’t really have any motivation to play. They’re in 1 year deals, the FO has made it clear that they’re going to be cut to make way for a potential superstar. So really, this season is just a tanked one anyways, and we should all hope for a Top 5 pick.
Joe Saunders: "They Giants played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Yeah, but even a superstar
and a high draft choice isn’t turning this train around any time soon…
Steve Nash is in the twilight of his career. The guy having the best season, Grant Hill, shouldn’t be counted on to turn the franchise around. They are both aged caretakers, but the mansion is leaky, needs a new roof, the pipes are bad, and the foundation is crumbling…
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 12:33 PM MST up reply actions
So Gortat's just been chilling on the bench?
Hill’s been absent offensively until some time last week. Gortat and Nash have been our best players (and fairly consistent if you exclude last night) by far.
Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.
Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
by NashMV3 on Jan 28, 2012 3:20 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, Gortat
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 3:22 PM MST up reply actions
Well we really don't have any "premier" players..
Hill is a serviceable back-up and defensive specialist (His offense is sporadic and unrealiable).. Gortat is a very efficient and productive big man, but Dwight Howarrd he ain’t. Nash is still Nashty, but he’s lost a step and father time is slowly relegating him to the ranks of great but not premier….
Let's do this...!
Gortat (and the Suns) would really benefit
from having another competent post up forward to undo the logjam in the middle. Sorry, but Frye doesn’t exactly cast a pall of fear on NBA big men either inside or outside.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
If the Mavs decide to waive Odom, I say we sign him.
Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.
Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
A rejuvanated Odom on our team..
would equate into a lower playoff seed…He’d be a great fit for sure…
Let's do this...!
Because of the way the losses blend together?
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
by Scott Howard on Jan 28, 2012 12:48 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yep
and because there isn’t one team we can say that we’ll beat. It just doesn’t matter who we play anymore. The schedule doesn’t matter anymore. We either win or we lose. As far as I’m concerned, we’ve been playing the same team for the past 18 games and have managed to beat them only 6 times.
Don't trade Dudley!
Beav, That's some serious Quantum Physics right there...
Or else you’ve been smoking some bad peyote…
That concept that we have played the same team 18 teams but it only appears different due to the Higgs particle applying appropriate mass to said structures to make them appear different from an infinte array of points in throughout the physical universe to include time….
Damn, it’s too much for my brain to handle…I think I’ve exploded.
Let's do this...!
The Higgs-Boson
might be the only thing in the Universe rarer than a Phoenix Suns NBA Championship…
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 1:57 PM MST up reply actions
Lol
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 28, 2012 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, but the researchers at CERN are closing in on the particle at least...
Damn, I’d sure like to run a few of our players through the Large Hadron Collider…
Let's do this...!
Right, call me when it happens...
either one.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
They'll find the particle before we win a championship to be sure...
Its either there, or it isn't
but my question is simple, how can something that is so rare empirically simultaneously be so ubiquitous theoretically?
There’s a lot of curve-fitting going on there.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 3:13 PM MST up reply actions
In other words
if something is so immense as to give the Universe at least 3 dimensions, why is it so rare and hard to find? Do you see the contradiction?
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
I could discuss Theoretical Physics all day...It's my hobby
But BSOTS folks have a low threshold of digression right now…As for the Higgs — It’s as much as a contradiction as why teams keep giving Sebastian Telfair a NBA salary…
Let's do this...!
Low threshold for digression? That’s all we do here. But, hell, I digress!
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 28, 2012 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
I'm a philosophy of science guy myself
at least a large portion of my academic background.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 3:25 PM MST up reply actions
I have a MBA with concentration of Industrial Operations..
I am now using the new GI Bill to go back to school and I am studying (you guessed it) Operations Dynamics and Theory. Very heavy into Physics and I have devoted a lot of my spare time to trying to learn about Quantum Physics, Mechanics, and Theory. Right now I am trying to do a paper on “Turing Machines”
Let's do this...!
thoughts on string theory?
one of my favorite topics of my college career
Maybe our real Suns team was switched with another Suns team in a parallel universe?
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Actually, I am just getting into supersymmetry right now
and how it all fits together—the “uon” brothers, Higgs, Quarks, etc…My passion is really on Simulated Universe theory right now.. Lots of pondering whether our Universe is actually a simulation by a massive Computer array in another plane of existence.
Lot’s of philosophical discussion on what constitues consciousness in theory and can a simulation achieve that level of fidelity.
Let's do this...!
Haha you're on that Matrix flow right now eh? I like it
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It's not fgor everyone.
But If you consider the sheer scope of the universe and how long it would take Humans to get to the point where we can effectively understand it versus the premise that we’ll have enough computing power by the year 2060 or so to actually simulate a Unverse from it’s inception.
Let's do this...!
Simulations will answer a lot of tough questions..
we are wrestling with now…I’ll stop there for now…
Let's do this...!
Wtf
So drew brees’s poopstain on his face is just really a pathway to an alternate universe. Thats what.ur saying
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by phxpurple on Jan 28, 2012 4:07 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
In a simulated universe..
Character “flaws” could be intentionally programmed into the system to create variables that would resist the tendency to order. Conversely they could also be flaws in the program (bugs if you will) that have to be corrected over time. This could be the reason why humans died. The programmers way of periodically purgin the system of defects.
Let's do this...!
Quantum physics is one of my biggest passions as well...
Great to know you’re into that stuff too! The recent discoveries of quark gluon plasmas and neutrinos that travel faster than the speed of light are fascinating…We are living in very interesting times!
And then there’s the Suns…sigh
by 7footer on Jan 28, 2012 4:13 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I thought when I got up to go on the computer, we would have traded someone.
Damn. Maybe tomorrow after we get blownout by the Grizzles tonight.
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Any trades right now
will be from a position of weakness, and not likely to strengthen this team.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 28, 2012 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
Looks like the Raptors are trying to trade Jose Calderon..
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 28, 2012 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
Our backups to Nash suck
but that’s not what we need, we need a starting SG, SF, and PF.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Well, I'm so glad I missed last night's game.
Since I’ll be watching tonight, I can only ask that they don’t lose as terribly tonight.
(I hope that’s not asking too much of them.)
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 28, 2012 2:42 PM MST reply actions
DIM, all of us just ask that they come out there and fight to the bitter end..
We understand the talent problem (or lack therof…) we just want the Suns to leave everything on the court each and every time that they play. I know Nsh & Hill are old so these young guys need to get a clue.
Let's do this...!
This team is an embarrassment to basketball.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
This is what we refer to...
As a “Man on the ledge moment…” The Suns aren’t great,but I think the Wiz are doing a damn fine job embarrasing the Nation’s capitol and the rest of basketball…
Let's do this...!
Lineup changes?
MUST START LB LETS GO SUNS!
by hcblankscreen on Jan 28, 2012 3:08 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
I read Coro's Orange Slices
there are no lineup changes, Price is still starting but Frye/Morris starting is up in the air.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
I thought Alvin said he was going to change things up...
Me, I’d like to see Robin at Center, Gortat at PF, Hill at SF, Brown at SG, & Nash at point…
What can we lose…I know we;ve heard that there would be spacing issues with Gortat and Lopez out there together but if last night was any indication, it can’t be any worse…Who knows it might cause the team to start working together in different ways…
Let's do this...!
What can we lose…
The game obviously.
Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.
Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
Then my next answer will be...
Our dignity?
Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.
Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
Granted, I was finishing my last shift at my job last night.
So I missed the atrocious game, but their horrible play certainly piques my interest. In a bad way of course. But it’s been certainly piqued.
Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.
Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
rec
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Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
LB? Barbosa isn’t on the Suns anymore, lol. And if you mean Lon Babby, we are in serious trouble.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 28, 2012 3:13 PM MST reply actions
He's being sarcastic and is making fun of a guy who was banned years ago
for saying “Must start LB” every single post…
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
I'm honestly tired of Frye and Dudley
posting stuff like that. Just shut up and play harder, make shots, stay all night at the gym shooting. Truth is that even if they try harder it’ll not be enough.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
That's what I was thinking when I read them
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what up P-Sun
How’s married life treating you? Totally agree, none of these guys should be apologizing, they should be bringing it every night.
Dudz and Frye need consistent minutes with a consistent group (starters or bench) to regain their touch.
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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 28, 2012 3:57 PM MST up reply actions
I'm just tired of Frye and Dudley in general.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Why has Dudley been bad?
He’s shooting poorly from three, but almost all his other stats are the same as last year – especially per 36.
Everyone is shooting worse this year – the league wide offensive efficiency has gone from 107.3 down top 102.4 (a 5% drop) and 3FG% has dropped from .358 to .340 which is 5.4 points less per 100 shots.
Dudley has seen a MASSIVE 3FG% drop – from .415 to .320 – but that is about all that has changed.
Because in 30 min he can only score 9 points.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
I have Dudley on my fantasy team.
I’ve gone to drop him several times after watching the games, but his all-around stats keep ending up being higher than the guys available to pick up. I never notice him doing much during the games, but he always ends up with a few points, a few rebounds, maybe a few assists, steals, or blocks. I’m always surprised he’s not playing as crappy as I think he is.
That's the spirit!
Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.
Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
50 %
was our FT percentage in last night’s game, that’s unacceptable. It’s also unacceptable to allow Marcus Camby 20 rebounds in 24 minutes, and to shoot 29-78 from FG’s.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
What's the point of this season
Even if we start winning we’ll never make the playoffs and be below .500 and screw ourselves by getting a high pick.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
To gauge how good of a fan we are.
If I ever gave good advise, I assure you, it was purely by accident.
by Walter ChronKite on Jan 28, 2012 4:36 PM MST up reply actions
We're the 8th worst team in the league right now
that’s not bad enough, I expect bottom 3 by the end of the season.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Im on board with that estimate.
If I ever gave good advise, I assure you, it was purely by accident.
by Walter ChronKite on Jan 28, 2012 5:04 PM MST up reply actions
So ready to watch lose another one!
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by Walter ChronKite on Jan 28, 2012 4:36 PM MST reply actions
For Nash's thoughts on the team right now, check out the fanshot I posted.
Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.
Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
It won't work on my computer...
But I’d be too lazy to listen to it anyways…What’s the gist of his conversation..?
Let's do this...!
To put it simply?
We suck.
Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.
Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
Yeah saw that yesterday
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I think I'll crash this party too.
For now, I’m getting warmed up by watching my Huskies try to bite Arizona.
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