Should Marcin Gortat Call Out His Suns Teammates Again?
In late December, 2010, then-newcomer and unproven Suns backup center Marcin Gortat committed the bold, controversial act of publicly and bluntly criticizing his teammates for poor defensive effort. Gortat had been a member of the Suns for less than 2 weeks when a 123-110 loss to the Philadelphia 76ers (at the time, a team with a worse record than the Suns) set him off to challenge his new teammates with statements such as:
"We have to be more serious about everything we do. When you pass through that door up front over there, this is time when you pack it in and are getting ready for the game or the practice. We got to read the scouting report, which guy likes to do what, and learn it. It's a lot of work."
Is it time for Gortat, now a team leader, to again speak up publicly about the sloppy lack of effort we've seen from the Suns this season?
As Seth Pollack noted at the time of Gortat's quote 13 months ago:
He specifically calls out his teammates for lack of preparation and attacks the very culture of the Phoenix Suns. This isn't a team used to wearing their game face all the time. This is a team who wants to play loose and have a positive, upbeat attitude.
Gortat was also indirectly but undoubtedly calling out team leaders Alvin Gentry, Steve Nash and Grant Hill. Who else had set this tone and culture that Gortat found unacceptable? For a team that had made the conference finals only 7 months prior, led by these same men, to be called out by a newcomer and a backup was a remarkable situation.
There was some immediate short-term success as the Suns held their next three opponents under 100 points, but old habits and better opponents returned and the Suns surrendered 132 points once in January of 2011, and 121 points two other times en route to a season total 25th place out of 30 in DRtg.
This year's edition of the Suns is currently 24th of 30 in DRtg after last night's 122-99 shellacking at the hands of a Dallas Mavericks team that was missing its starting point guard, Jason Kidd.
It can be said then, that Gortat's words didn't have much impact to the bottom line. Sadly, the Suns stink even worse overall since then and are about the same level of failure on defense. We can debate whether the Suns persistent defensive woes are due to scheme, simple lack of talent or lack of effort and intensity.
It's a combination of these things, but the Suns have lost 4 games out of 20 so far by at least 20 points, including 2 of the last 3. They've lost to fellow bottom-feeders the Raptors, Hornets, Cavs and Nets at home. We can say the Suns lack talent, need another scorer or two, etc. But is this roster truly only capable of winning 1 game out of 20 against a quality opponent, at home over a Blazers team that had played the night before?
Even the Warriors have been able to defeat the Bulls and Heat so far, the Wizards beat the Thunder, the Bucks beat the Lakers, etc. Yet the Suns have, nearly without exception, been destroyed when facing good teams. Are they truly giving maximum effort? Or are they starting to tune out the coaching staff and pack it in for the season, especially as soon as games get out of hand?
Back to Gortat, he also had this to say in December, 2010:
"I'm trying to get some rebounds and stops, but unfortunately there is not too many opportunities to rebound because the 76ers are scoring 120-something points. It is just frustrating. It is frustrating as hell; I'm not going to lie. It is a reality check for me, going from a team who is winning to a team who is losing and we are the worst defensive team in the league."
That frustration he felt right there is healthy. He wasn't used to being on a team where defensive collapses happen regularly, and didn't intend to become used to it. But, has he now become used to it after over a year on the Suns? Is he speaking out privately like this, but no longer publicly?
Gortat has been the most dependable Suns player this season, so there is no questioning his desire and effort to win. What I'd hate to imagine is that the fail all around him has numbed him to failure. I want it to still piss him off. Whether it would do the team any good or not, I'd be happy to hear Gortat rant about the BS happening around him on the team. And besides, the Suns look like they've already resorted to the "throw darts at the board and hope something works" stage of the problem-solving process this season, so what the hell? Why not?
Rant on, Marcin! I hope that you're mad as hell, because a lot of us fans certainly are.
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Is hard i guess
Everyone seems to be feeling pretty blue about the team performance and it is everyone’s fault except his, besides they have been partially doing kinda mediocre acceptable, Frye used to reb and do some post moves before reaching the total suckness dimension this year, and Dudz along with Grant Hill/Morris/Brown/others have been up and down, about 10 times up and 1,375 billion down
The really hard thing for me is to see that a team that was suppose to get better actually has been playing worst, I still believe we are going to play better but it would be probably to late for anyone to care about the team that could but didn’t reach playoff…
roses are red violets are blue, Michael Redd is coming for you!
by Lino Canaan on Jan 31, 2012 2:05 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I voted no.Why?
First it could be wrong way.All suns are frustrated.Better to talk in locker room.Besides more players talked about their effort. Secondly take a look what happend in Orlando .Howard (a big star) say o lot of hard words about his teamates.Does something change?No.Team need a leader or leaders. Nash,Hill maybe Gortat should to talk with rest of Suns but inside . IMO it’s weird situation. Some players should play for their future very hard with passion but they played poorly.Which team make a deal with them?
You know what is funny
“We have to be more serious about everything we do. When you pass through that door up front over there, this is time when you pack it in and are getting ready for the game or the practice. We got to read the scouting report, which guy likes to do what, and learn it. It’s a lot of work.”
Is the quote from Gortat
This is a quote from Amar’e yesterday
"We got to start reading the board before games,’’ Stoudemire said. "We have to prepare ourselves better as individuals. Coaches give the game plan. We have to be ready to execute the game plan. If we’re not ready to execute the game plan, we’re not helping our teammates. "We have to learn to comprehend and learn from our mistakes, and right now we’re not doing that.’’
Sounds like almost the exact same thing from 2 struggling teams.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!
I personally like Gortat’s version better. It’s more specific.
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by Alex Laugan on Jan 31, 2012 5:14 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
True....but I would rather have Amare on the team...
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
"All they’re fighting for is to stay as obscenely rich as they are now, based on their ability to bounce a ball and throw it in a hole." East Bay Ray, October 10, 2011
"the players and owners are squabbling over how to divide the pie that WE BAKE FOR THEM." East Bay Ray, October 31, 2011
keep it in house
last year they underachieved. This year they simply don’t have the talent to deserve a playoff spot. Besides it’s not as if the Suns don’t know how crappy they are.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Jan 31, 2012 2:23 PM MST reply actions
If anything..
Nash needs to call them out but not Gortat who has a resume of less than 50 good NBA games.
dont call them out…lose all the games left and lets get a draft pick…nothing is left to say this season…all other words are just forced because we are fans…forget about it…this year the suns make me want to go outside in the rain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65L1G6A9Z9A
by good like a-1 beer on Jan 31, 2012 4:32 PM MST reply actions
Gentry needs to call them out
players need to hold themselves as a team accountable regardless of how well one may be playing. last thing we need is tension between teammates.
the way I see it
This team was going to do one of two things this year, with most everyone on 1-year contracts:
1) play as hard as possible, enjoying the moments together and seeing how much success you can have
or
2) see the season they way we saw it – as the final stop-gap before armageddon – and just trudge through hoping for the best but expecting the worst.
Seems like they took option 2.
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Well put, Alex.
These player complaints, coach tirades or players’ only meetings are usually just for show, and rarely make much of a bottom line difference. Still, it makes me feel better as a fan to know that they aren’t taking the poor play without it pissing them off. As the old saying goes, “show me a good loser, and I’ll show you a loser.”
And, I think that the Suns were attempting #1 until tough times hit, then they gave in to #2.
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by East Bay Ray on Jan 31, 2012 5:31 PM MST up reply actions
It is well put Alex.
And, EBR. That is a great post. I feel the same frustration with the team and hope with Gortat. Thanks to both of you for putting words to it all.
Grant Hill for prez.
by sun-arc on Jan 31, 2012 7:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
do you think it would be different
if gentry told the guys or media that the guys are playing for a spot next year?
probably not
with no future direction or hopes to being a contender. they are probably all wanting out of Phoenix at this point anyway
At this point, I wouldn't mind if Gortat kicked all his teammates' asses.
The end result will be the same. It won’t amount to much since this team’s lacking the talent needed to win.
Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.
Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
how about the typical “players only meeting” with gortat wielding a sledge hammer and making violent threats?
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At this point
I don’t think whatever Gortat said wouldn’t make any difference. The team is playing slightly below it’s ability and confidence is low. I don’t think any public calling out would improve that.
So, personally, it’s up to Gentry whether he can lift his players or not. But by all accounts, I don’t think he can.
this entire conversation is incredibly depressing
great article as always, though, EBR.
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."
~Jack Burton, "Big Trouble in Little China"
OOT here
but I love your sig man, Big Trouble was one of my favorite movie when I was little.
by Chafid Ahmad on Jan 31, 2012 11:55 PM MST up reply actions
He kinda did:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ87GAv3ci0
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Feb 1, 2012 11:39 AM MST reply actions
Polish version is a little harder
Gives the reason for defensive breakdowns: too many guys allowing penetration giving no choice to the bigs but to help out.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Feb 1, 2012 11:47 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah
That is sort of doing it. Love to hear the props to Chilly. He has been such a professional on this team. But yeah just sounds like Gortat wants to call them out but doesn’t want to get in trouble haha.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!
Whats interesting about this is your statement...
Gortat has been the most dependable Suns player this season
it seems to me that if the guy who is calling people to work harder is also the most dependable guy on the team then he must be doing SOMETHING right. I am not saying that NO ONE is working hard. My bet is that Nash is always working and I would be willing to bet Dudz is too. Clearly Childress is doing his part since he has finally been freed.
Gotta say….Im with the Polish Hammer on this one.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
"All they’re fighting for is to stay as obscenely rich as they are now, based on their ability to bounce a ball and throw it in a hole." East Bay Ray, October 10, 2011
"the players and owners are squabbling over how to divide the pie that WE BAKE FOR THEM." East Bay Ray, October 31, 2011

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