Dallas Mavericks Out Hustle The Phoenix Suns; 98-89 Final
by 7footer on Jan 4, 2012 9:05 PM MST
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PrintThe Phoenix Suns fell to the Dallas Mavericks tonight, 98-89 , in a game that was won on the offensive glass. The Mavericks have not been a good rebounding team thus far in the season, but they played like one tonight as they out muscled and out hustled the Suns all game long.
The Suns kept it close initially with the efficient play of Marcin Gortat on both sides on the ball. Channing Frye also got off to a nice start hitting his first two shots, one of which was a three pointer. However, once Nash and most of the other starters left the court the mavericks soon began to pull away. Ronnie Price and Markieff Morris both committed two quick fouls a piece and sent Dallas to the line where they opened up the lead even more.
Then the second half happened...read on if you dare.
In the second half the Suns briefly saw a glimmer of hope off the heels of some very nice play from Grant Hill who scored three quick buckets and grabbed a steal in the first three minutes. However, just as the Suns were starting to get some momentum to swing their way Nash commited a turnover that led to a fast break bucket, then Frye committed a turnover throwing the ball in-bounds, and then fouled Dirk Novitzki for the and one.
That series of mishaps that led to a quick seven points instantly put a stop to the Suns' run and things just went down from there.
Dirk Nowitzki was his normal awesome self all game long (20pts, 7ast, 6rbs), and in the fourth quarter the Mavs pulled away by as many as 20 points before the Suns decided to make one last run to cut the lead back down to 10; mostly due to the play of Nash and Gortat. Alas, it wasn't enough as the Mavs continued to hold serve from that point and closed it out the rest of the way.
The story of the game was rebounding...more specifically a lack thereof. Giving up 20 offensive rebounds just isn't getting it done. Gortat finished with 22pts and 10rbs so he certainly did his job, but most of the other players seemed slow to box out or just lacked the energy to compete for the 50-50 balls which the Mavericks ended up with. I think the Suns missed the energy and hustle of Markieff Morris who couldn't stay on the floor due to early foul trouble. He has to improve in that area of his game...The Suns need him.
The Suns need to play with more energy...We've seen flashes this season but they simply haven't shown they can do this on a consistent basis. This was a winnable game that the Suns let slip away...too bad.
Game Notes:
First Half
Gortat playing very effective on both offense and defense…Not sure if Gentry is leaving him out longer because of his play or because of Robin’s injured Foot.
Shannon Brown…Ugh
Lopez not looking quite like his usual self. Maybe the foot injury is bothering him, or maybe he’s just having a bad day
Ronnie Price plays good defense but simply does not set up the offense well whatsoever.
If Morris has a down side it’s silly fouls…It’s to be expected for a rookie, but we really need him out there.
Hakim playing “better” defense as a SF, and showcasing his new skills as a three-point shooter from the corner. I think we’ve found his ideal fit on our team
Frye seems to have his stroke tonight but he’s barely getting the opportunity to shoot the ball
Offensive rebounds for the Mavs is the difference in the first half…Dallas with 13 so far
10 Turnovers in the first half already is way too many…Luckily the Mavs have only scored on three of them
Frye quietly having a nice first half with 7 points of 3-4 shooting and 5 rebounds. He needs more opportunities to score tonight since his shot seems to be falling.
49-41 first half. Stats: Suns shooting 38.6% from the field 25% from three. Gortat only player in double figures with 10, and also the leading rebounder with 6.
Second Half
Grant Hill on FIRE to start the second half…Six quick points and a steal in the first three minutes
Frye with a terrible turnover on out of bounds pass right after a turnover from Nash that led to a fast break. Frye then commits a worse foul on Dirk for an and-one. All of this happened just as the Suns were gaining momentum. Dallas now back firmly in control
Terry doing what he does best…hitting impossible clutch three’s to dig that dagger in our chest a little deeper.
Steve hit a NASHTY three of his own to answer!
Dudley now 3-10 from the field in the 3rd quarter…Not good
Telfair getting his opportunity, probably because Price was so ineffective in the first half.
Telfair then proceeds to dribble aimlessly at the top of the key and then clanks one off the rim without ever passing the ball…Help!
Another 3pt dagger from Terry to close out the third quarter. Dallas up 77-66 at the end of the third
Yawn…another dagger from JET
Mavs briefly went up by 20 points but the Suns started fighting back to bring the score within 10
Mavs wake back up and keep the score just out of reach to close it out. Final 98-89
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If you guys need cheering up, watch this.
It’s a parody of the Dark Knight Rises trailer set to Lion King footage. It cheered me up after this loss…
As long as we have Steve, I still believe!
But it wasn't the end of the world either.
Sucks less than other games…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Somewhere between "like the end of the world" and "decent"
Story of the 2011-12 Phoenix Suns.
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
We have to create a new term for this level of performance...
Pathetic with a lot of positivity…:)
Only joking of course…I think this tea will turn it around sooner rather than later…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Bootiful...?
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
I like this.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 4, 2012 9:43 PM MST up reply actions
Lol, I was over in the game thread talking to myself about Paul Coro.
Didn’t realize the recap was up.
Well, that could’ve been much, much better.
Could’ve been worse too.
I’m sensing that this team has what it takes.. they’re just not producing it on a consistent enough basis.
48 minutes of focus.. that’s all it’s gonna take for some wins.
And for the shots to start falling.
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I believe this team is a work in progress...
will they get it together in time is the question. I hope and believe that they will… A consistent 20 ppg score would sure help things out though…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
We just have so many bench players on this team...
JD is great being a consistent spark plug but he is not a starter. Frye is not a starter. I mean we didn’t start the fire. It was always been burning since the world been turning…
"Who are we kidding?..."
The question is will the time it takes to work things out
Be too long for the Suns to be in the playoff hunt.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!
No
Memphis is out, and San Antonio may be as well.
Yup.
West is weird this year
OKC, Lakeshow, Clippers, Dallas, maybe Portland/ Denver and then it gets real even – I wouldn’t be surprised if any of these teams missed/ qualified for Playoffs from spots 5-8
Minnesotta
SAS
Memphis
Suns
Houston
I guess we can get there if we play OK ball, similar to last year – we probably get in
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 5, 2012 5:31 AM MST up reply actions
It’s very even, and we have a HUGE opportunity now that Ginobili and Randolph went down. Those were the best player on each of their teams, and they’re going to miss, what, more than half the season? I’d say the Grizz are definitely out, and I never count out the Spurs, but it’s gonna be tough for them to make it. We need to seize the opportunity. I’d say the 6 that Piotr named are locks unless any other huge injury to them. That leaves two spots, and we should definitely be able to compete for them.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 5, 2012 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
Losing Randolph is a LOT different than losing Gay. They had guys to plug in GAy’s spot. Losing a SF is a lot different than losing a PF. Also, Darrel Arthur is already out for the year. Now, all they have at the PF spot is some nobody no one has ever heard of , and then they traded for Speights. But it’s a huge loss of production inside. They are going to be totally different. Gasol is playing well, but I’d be shocked if they can make playoffs in this truncated season unless Randolph returns sooner than expected.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 5, 2012 2:10 PM MST up reply actions
The question is always what replacement level you have. If we lost Gortat, we’d be worse off, but not as bad as if we lost Nash, and not just because Nash is a star, but because his backups are so much worse than Gortat’s.
I’m saying they don’t have a replacement. They replaced Gay easy. Spurs don’t have a good replacement for Manu either.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 5, 2012 6:22 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed
It is harder to replace a big (generally) because usually they do several things well (rebounding, defence) as well as scoring. And while there are plenty of 6’6" NBA quality athletes, there really aren’t any 6’9"+, 235 pound+ ones not already in the NBA.
We are so lucky this year to have what looks like 4 solid bigs in Gortat, Morris, Frye and Lopez.
Man, it would REALLY suck to be a Memphis fan. the year started with such high hopes. Then you lose Darrell Arthur with the Achiles, then Randolf, and who is left inside outside Gasol? Memphis may almost need to do a SAS, and tank to try and get a top pick.
I can’t count out Memphis, even with Z-Bo missing so much time. Speights and Cunningham are a huge step down from Randolph, but they are capable bodies. Gay has been playing great to start the season, and Gasol just got a new contract. They don’t normally use him all that much because Z-Bo demands so many touches, but I can easily see him stepping up and controlling the paint for them.
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They have ONE big - Gasol
Gasol can only play, at most, 33 minutes of the 96 they need. Then what? They need to find 66 minutes a night between Dante Cunningham, Hamed Haddadi, Speights and Rudy Gay, and Gay defending at 4 sounds scary. I dunno about you, but that would scare me.
I think Memphis struggle until Randolf gets back, unless one of the backups proves what seems impossible, and turns out to be an NBA quality big.
The difference between last year and this year
Is that when Gay went down they still had Battier and Mayo to step in for him. Not saying I am counting out Memphis but I am scared at their depth at the 4/5….
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!
They are by no means a lock like I thought they would be with a healthy Z-Bo,
but I just can’t count them out until I see with my own eyes how they fare without him.
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Darn.
I was hoping my brand new Suns t-shirt would give us some luck. Looks like I’ll have to burn it after only wearing it once.
Giving up 20 offensive rebounds will always lose you a game. Time to go look at the box score.
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I didn't have a Suns shirt on. :(
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 4, 2012 9:44 PM MST up reply actions
:(
I only have 2 now, and not wearing my jersey means that I can’t just put it on over every shirt i’m wearing.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 4, 2012 9:47 PM MST up reply actions
I just bought two new shirts because my Nash one is too worn.
They arrived today, and I washed them and put the orange one on right away. Perhaps I should have went with the dark gray one instead…
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Perhaps.
NBA licensed merchandise is so darn expensive. Sigh.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 4, 2012 9:50 PM MST up reply actions
Gift card.
They were $20 apiece though which isn’t bad.
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Well, then.
That sure sounds like a story.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 4, 2012 10:23 PM MST up reply actions
What if we were t-shirts inside out...
That would be interesting. But why would you want to be a t-shirt in the first place?
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Wear*
I am pretty buzzed sorry. I will kindly pay my fine of 13 pittance to the grammar police or was it the spelling bureau.
"Who are we kidding?..."
Hmm...
It appears that you know the difference between wear and were, so I’m willing to credit this one to the typo patrol.
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Question: who was Grant guarding?
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Nowitzki...
but he did a good job shutting dirk down. But we got outhustled that they so many second chance points. You our defensive scheme of shutting down their star player and hope that the other role players don’t produce as much well the thing was Jason Terry got hot & VC (It Lives! It Lives)
That scheme didn’t work with the Thunder either. We did a pretty good job covering Durant. It was the others that killed us. It didn’t help that we also bricked a whole lot of easy baskets.
"Who are we kidding?..."
I was just asking because Marion was the main contributor to their 20 offensive rebounds. Whoever was guarding him (Frye?) did not do a good enough job of getting a body on him. Haywood was all over the offensive boards also.
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Yea Marion did what was expected of him to do...
Our Marion’s (Hak was not so effective offensively ergo not surapassing his defensive liability = loss, Chilly loves the bench, Morris early foul troubles) didn’t help us at all. BAMF showed signs of father time symptoms.
"Who are we kidding?..."
Well...
I did not get my hopes up for a win on this game, but I was at least hoping we would keep it close and show some improvement. I was sadly disappointed.
I saw some comments that Coro says a trade or something is going to happen. I would rather have something like this happen very soon rather than latter. Making trades past the start of the season is never good however… Guess we all will just have to buckle in and get ready for the ride!
Weeeee
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Where are people seeing that Coro has said that?
I haven’t seen anything at all.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 4, 2012 10:04 PM MST up reply actions
No Clue
I just read from what the guy said in the game thread.
Perhaps twitter?
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As long as we don't lose any more picks...
i am up for it. But who would take Chilly, Bassy, Brown, Silo’s leftover steak burrito?
"Who are we kidding?..."
Forget to put Hak on that one, Rolo is a good trade bait.
Hmmm who do you guys think is untouchable in this team? Besides Nash and Hill.
"Who are we kidding?..."
yes and no
there is no trade that will magically make us contender. bassy and brown have skill but don’t execute…best we’ll get is some other dudes with the same issues.
Enough Bitchin' lets do this
I was just all over his Twitter feed.
Didn’t see anything.
Interesting.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 4, 2012 10:12 PM MST up reply actions
Well then...
Who the heck knows? Nothing like starting rumors!
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Haha lol.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 4, 2012 10:15 PM MST up reply actions
I guess I felt the need to use two laughing acronyms there.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 4, 2012 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
Haha is more onomatopoeia than acronym.
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This is true.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 4, 2012 10:35 PM MST up reply actions
it was a couple of days ago i think after the first NOLA loss or the win
PC was talkin about how his inside knowledge had tipped him off to some wheelings and possible dealing within the FO
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
Hmm, that's really interesting.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 4, 2012 10:40 PM MST up reply actions
Taking another look at 7footer's preview,
He misfired on Nash and Kidd being a wash (as most of the BSotSers who commented called), he called Terry over Dudz, called a wash between Marion and Grant, called a big edge for Dallas at the PF spot, and called Suns over the Mavs at center. The bench is where he was let down, as we were outscored 39-21 in that category (counting West as a sub and Terry as a starter). He was right about us being able to compete with Steve doing his thing (+11) but it sounds like Price let us down.
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Price and Telfair both...
We are in dire need of someone who can run the offense while Nash rests. When Price comes in the game it seems like our offense goes stagnant…I know that’s a familiar theme around these parts, but with Nash another year older and such a compressed schedule it’s a pretty big concern.
by 7footer on Jan 4, 2012 10:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I feel like
while we have nash we should give up on the second units O…Nash goes out, we go lock down D. Outside of steph curry there is no heir aperent to nash. so lets stop trying and just lock’em down.
Enough Bitchin' lets do this
I agree
I’d play Hill more with the bench, and Hak more as a 3 with the starters. Price, Brown, Hill, Morris and RoLo is a lockdown bench.
Brown’s already not getting many minutes, and once Redd starts, it’s likely Brown will be pretty much out of the rotation. But Dudley is a great lockdown player for the bench as well.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 5, 2012 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
Brown is playing really weird
He just doesn’t seem to “get” the game.
Brown seems to think that OK shots are good ones, like semi-open 18 footers, and does too much dribbling and trying to create when things don;t go well, rather than just passing and resetting the play. If Brown tried a move and, if it went nowhere, recycled the ball, he’d be a lot less innefective (e.g. he’d be doing less bad things rather than more good things).
That, and we aren’t using Brown’s strengths. I saw a Beaubois back-cut for a dunk in the Dallas game, and I wonder why we can’t run that play for Brown.
I don’t know if he is good enough for this, Brown might be better as a D and corner-3 guy next to Nash – a kind of athletic Raja Bell. Brown certainly would be good at covering the better PGs, and letting Nash rest more on D. At the moment, with the second unit, Brown is playing all wrong, with too much dribbling and long 2 pointers, and just isn’t a guy who can consistently create good shots. Sadly, as Brown too often forces the play, once you throw him the ball, he is pretty much going to take a shot no matter what, or run the clock down so much that there is no chance to create a good look.
And Price is very similar, so pairing those Brown and Price together is killing the Offence. I’ve seen a number of plays where the only two people who touched the ball were Brown and Price, and the possession ended with a contested 18 footer. That just isn’t going to get it done.
We need to take the ball out of the PG’s hands. Run a more team-oriented offense predicated on man and ball movement. It’s obvious our back-up PGs are not capable of running an offense, so don’t ask them to. Hopefully someone like Warrick can step up and be a playmaker while the bench is in.
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How about
we put Grant with the second unit, and start with Hak? Hill use to be the playmaker in his Detroit days, he’s the only one I can think right now that’s intelligent enough and have the experience of being responsible in a team offense for a good periode. He’ll likely got starter minutes anyway, but most of them will be with the bench.
Hill needs to start. He’s said he doesn’t do well when having to sit to start the games. Old bones. But perhaps give him a shot to play some of his minutes with the second unit.
Creighton has a very young bench with a true freshman as our back-up PG. To help him out, Coach Mac often leaves one of our starting wings in when he starts to make subs to help the frosh run the offense. Perhaps something like that would work with the Suns as well. Either Grant or Dudz or someone.
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agree grant needs to start
but they I would like to see him spend more time guiding the second unit.
Enough Bitchin' lets do this
It works if you take out the "they."
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That could work...
It’s kind of similar to the idea of starting Brown instead of Dudley. I think having Grant help run the second unit could definitely help. Also, Hak’s athleticism could be a good thing to have alongside Nash offensively…It gives him another pick and roll threat. I just wonder about Warrick’s ability to defend starting 3’s.
by 7footer on Jan 4, 2012 10:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I think switching Dudz with Brown would be more effective.
Hak is one of the only guys on the bench who can score, plus you’re right about his ability to defend starting 3s being questionable.
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Can't Start Brown
But Dudley or Hill should be the Bench three.
Then we should SLOOOOWWWW down the bench’s speed. Lets run out the clock, and try to get points on the break.
I hope Redd get well soon and puts up some needed scoring for us
So we can kick Brown out of the rotation, or at least make him fight for it. The guy has no basketball I.Q. whatsoever. On offense, he basically just bounces the ball around (saying to himsel “yeah I can bounce the ball”) from one side to another only to attempt to shoot over a taller defender. In 6 games so far, I can only remember 1 shot where he was actually open when he took the shot.
Despite his athleticism, he doesn’t even try to beat his man or even drive
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by jatrex4suns on Jan 5, 2012 6:38 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Completely agree. He and J-Chill are not good fits for our team, at all.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 5, 2012 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
Brown does, he just can't
Brown is inefficient in his movements on ball, and rather than passing out when things breakdown keep pounding away.
Brown needs to be a fast break, corner 3 and D guy.
Ricky Rubio
Am i the only one who thinks this kid already plays similar to Nash? If he could only play on same team with him…
by Reap3r on Jan 5, 2012 12:44 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Can't shoot
But otherwise, he looks similar, especially the one handed assists.
yeah him and nash are almost indentical
I mean they are both white, like to pass the ball. Only difference is one has two Mvps, has lead the league in assists multiple times, best free throw shooter of all time, best statistical shooter of all time and is a multiple all star and all nba player.
Almost the same.
Carter having a glazed-eyes contest with Boris Diaw. Carter's winning, but Diaw might respond by eating his eyes.
by NashtySUNS on Jan 5, 2012 11:41 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions 2 recs
In offensive style they are similar
Nash and Runio are teh best PnR PGs I’ve seen, and they both have that genius one handed assists. Watch http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/12/30/ricky-rubio-first-impressions/ and tell me who, on offense, Rubio reminds you of.
What's so nice about it?
Compare the two at similar ages and it makes the points above look silly. No need to tear someone down to build up another. And I’m quite sure Nash himself would agree.
what makes Nash Nash is his shooting ability. Rubio will never come close to 50/40/90, and eventually teams will be able to better defend him because they don’t have to respect the shot.
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he is still a kid
and has pretty nice mechanics on his jumper – he’ll come around, I guess he can be a dependable shooter in 2-3 years
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by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 5, 2012 7:05 AM MST up reply actions
FWIW
I was chatting about this w/ someone on the team (just shooting the breeze) who said that there’s something mechanically wrong w/ Rubio’s shot and that he’s been working hard on it for years. The feeling is that he won’t come around.
I’m not so sure about that, but that thinking is out there among the professionals.
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Interesting. Thanks for the info.
I need to take a closer look
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 5, 2012 1:40 PM MST up reply actions
Jose Calderon came around
I don’t see Rubio as Marion or Noah ugly, so I reckon there is hope he can be about average.
I agree. I don’t think he’ll be as good as Nash, but the kid is very, very good.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 5, 2012 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
How much have you watched Rubio play?
He already does some things better than Nash. He gets into the lane better than Nash ever did. He’s a better ball handler. He also throws long passes much better than Nash. His size and wing span give him a dimension Nash never had. I also think his overall court vision is better than Nash’s.
This is not something coming from a Nash hater. He’s my favorite player of all time. Hell, my favorite athlete. While Rubio is clearly far behind in the shooting department, Rubio is so aware that somehow I think he’ll improve to be at least much better. Interesting what SP mentions below. Perhaps some people just can’t learn to shoot. Still, Rubio is only 21. He’s far superior to Nash at a similar age. I think his upside is off the charts.
Thats pretty much my thoughts
I wouldn’t dare to compare him to Nash cuz i dont follow NBA for that long. But from what i saw he is rly good passer and i thought he could learn few things by playing with as great PG as Nash is. Hell first time i saw him play i didnt even realise he was rookie for some time xD I think he’d be better backup PG than the current ones on Suns roster.
I’m no expert like some people here but thats how i feel about him :P
You don't have to worry about him as a back-up in Phoenix
Wolves aren’t letting him go.
I dunno about any of that
Better court vision is the most questionable, but Nash was the king of long passes – when he had ANYONE to throw them to (Barbosa, Marion et al).
Rubio also has had a few TO issues, but then so has Nash this year – http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&season=&player_ids%5B%5D=488&player_ids%5B%5D=269 – and his shooting is good from limited sample size, but was not this good in Europe.
The one area where Rubio kicks Nash’s butt, and it isn’t even close, is defence (why does everyone always forget defence?) http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/12/30/ricky-rubio-first-impressions/ is brilliant, and the defence section is telling. Rubio looks like a quality defender who, when he adds 10-15 pounds, will be able to guard 1 ands 2s.
Right, I forgot defense. I remembered after posting.
I knew someone would bring it up. And you are correct. Rubio is already a quite good defender. Actually, I think he could be a great defender eventually. His awareness gives him a very similar style as Jason Kidd. Seems to know everything going on. Almost always well positioned. Picks up lots of long rebounds and loose balls.
About the long pass, initially I was talking cross court. This is where his height gives him quite an advantage. Nash is, and was, excellent at the long pass upcourt. To me, it made his game in ways I think few realized. Nash was really the best at the quick upcourt pass. So many baskets in 3 or 4 seconds. Ah, the good old days. Still, Rubio is excellent at long passes upcourt, especially on lobs at the basket.
I’m just happy to have another player come along and play a style I love. I love the kids attitude and his team first approach. Quite refreshing with all the “stars” who are only concerned about teaming up with other “stars”. With Phoenix surrounding Nash with players not up to the standards he deserves, it’s great to be able to watch a good alternative.
The bench didn't exactly help the cause but it was the starters that killed us.
18 turnovers for the starters. 1 for the bench.
Can’t win with numbers like that.
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by suns68 on Jan 4, 2012 10:47 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I know it's been done to death
but 09-10 seems a long time ago. I can’t say I can watch many Suns game at the time, so how did we managed to be a third seed team in the West and went to the WCF? I mean Dragic isn’t THAT good isn’t he? There was a time that it was the bench that were increasing the leads rather than losing it.
That bench was too good.
Shannon Brown ain’t no Leandro Barbosa, and Price certainly ain’t no Dragic. And even if each individual player wasn’t great on that team, we had a unique cohesiveness and chemistry that we don’t seem to quite have this year.
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by PHXSunsRunNGun on Jan 4, 2012 10:35 PM MST up reply actions
For one, we had a younger Nash and HIll. Also, we had a couple of guys named Amar'e Stoudemire and Jason Richardson.
But that bench was special. Goran was the Dragon, LB was there helping him out, Dudz was our bench spark extraordinaire, Frye was draining 3s like crazy, and Lou was throwing himself all over the court. That was a perfect mix.
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They were amazing
Not every day you see a bench like that. They came in and instantly changed games.
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I think..
Chemistry was a big part of it. Also a lot of players on the team were just gelling and on fire at the right time. We also, for the first time in like ever, had a bench that could come in and not only keep us in the game/keep a lead, they also sometimes could build on the lead or even out play the starters.
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I think I agree with the chemistry part
they have great chemistry and developed their own identity as a result. Right now that’s what our bench needs. They need to identify how are they’re going to play.
I think someone who could have been a big game changer for us today was Markieff Morris.
The guy was making smart plays on both ends of the floor and we got on a little run when he came in until he picked up his 3rd foul. I think if Kieff stays on the floor, we have a good chance of sustaining momentum and winning this one pretty easily.
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I suppose the most frustrating thing about this loss is that we could’ve won this game. We just needed everyone’s best effort for the full fourty-eight minutes.
Two guys at positions of need to consider when the 2012 draft comes around are michael kidd gilchrest(an eventual replacement for hill when the time comes) and jeffrey taylor of vanderbilt( could easily give us much needed size and athleticism at the shooting guard spot if we aquired him on draft day.)
I realize the draft is still a long time from now, but could you imagine adding those two guys on the wing with their combination of size,defense and athleticism? After that, all we need to do is find nash’s eventual successor and this team will be as dangerous as any team in the west.
I love me some Kidd-Gilchrist.
But I’m still not ready to talk draft yet.
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Lets ban draft talk
We are so in the Hunt. Randolf out kills Memphis, and losing Ginobli hurts SAS. We are totally a chance.
agreed as I said up above. :) Let’s do it!
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 5, 2012 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
Can we also ban Nash/Rubio comparisons
until the kid has at least half an NBA season under his belt?
BAMF goes HAM.
Agreed
Unless that is the point of the post :)
Definitely agree on Kidd-Gilchrest
As a replacement for Hill. We are also in desperate need of our next PG though. We better address PG as our first priority in the draft unless we expect to steal away either Deron Williams or Russel Westbrook.
by 7footer on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
It depends where we are drafting though.
There aren’t any elite PGs in this draft. Perhaps one of them will surprise and turn out to be like Ty Lawson, but right now I’m seeing late teens and early 20s before the first PG is taken. This draft is heavy with big men and tweener forwards.
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i would be happy with a harrison barnes or jeremy lamb
u dont necessairly need an elite PG to win a championship.. how many elite PGs have won a championship since magic? It seems like a dominant SG is more important if u look at recent history. If we get an elite 2/3 this year, and then prob. we will be bad again next year and then we can snag a good pg.. then if our bigs improve like i think they can we will be set
See my post below.
That’s where I’m leaning as well. BUt then again, it’s way too early to talk draft because we have no clue where we’ll be picking.
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I really like Marshall
I think he has the ability to be a very good pass-first PG in this league… He also seems like the kind of player who is going to improve even more once he gets to the pro’s. I think the Suns could end up anywhere between 10-16, and that seems about right for him.
by 7footer on Jan 4, 2012 11:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
What about Rivers?
Seems like his stock is floating around the lower lottery… so we could possibly get him. Question is, would we want Austin Rivers? A bit undersized to play SG, but not efficient enough with the ball to play PG. He can’t play D, but could be a go-to scorer.
I don’t see us drafting another PF, but it depends on who is available, obviously.
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IMO, he needs to stay in school.
I haven’t been impressed with him at all.
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heres the problem
were old and bad.. which is what u dont want to be
2 years ago we were old and good, last year we were old and average, now were old and bad.
if ur old and average u can work with it and add a piece to become good again, but not when ur old and bad.
our next step has to be get young and bad… then from there we can hopefully progress and get young and average, and eventually young and good
This team should be better...
but they seem to be kind of lethargic for long stretches, especially in the third quarters and closing out quarters.
They also seem horribly out of shape, even the young guys. Telfair looked like he was puffing after two trips down the floor.
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by suns68 on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 PM MST via mobile reply actions
When is Redd gonna play?
any word on how he’s comin along?
Hmm...
So what is he saying there? A couple weeks?
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NVM...
we have homecourt the next. I guess when shit hits the fan. And when i say fan i mean an innocent bystander rooting for the Suns to win some games cause it really makes the next day so much brighter and the rest of the night sweeter.
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There are a number of talented pointguard prospects projected to come out this year. We’re still at the beginning of the season but it doesn’t hurt to discussion future options.
If we’re in the high lottery we might consider marquis teague. He’s got a strong build, is super athletic and has terrific end to end speed. He can pass and handle the ball pretty well but has to improve his playmaking. Aside from that, scouts consider him to be the top pointguard prospect on potential alone.
Myck kabongo of texas is also considered an elite pointguard prospect by scouts and has been compared to rondo. He is brilliant handling and passing the ball and can play good defense. He has to get stronger and improve his shooting but is otherwise just below teague on the talent scale.
Kendall marshall isn’t anywhere near as athletic or quick as those two, but he has size and strength at 6-4 190 and is blessed with jason kidd-like passing skills. He also makes up for his lack of speed and athleticism by using his body and smarts on defense(similiar to dudley). Marshall probably won’t sneak into the lottery but he can run an nba team right now and like nash and kidd, make everybody better with his unmatched playmaking skills.
Jordan taylor of wisconsin is compared to derek fisher with his strong but compact frame and solid perimeter shot.
Tu holloway of xavier has been compared by scouts to chris paul, largely due to his ability to score at will off the dribble,handle the ball with ease and consistently hit big shots under pressure.
If we can’t get westbrook, then at least we can try and nab one of these guys in the draft. Then maybe we’ll finally have a true starting-caliber pointguard to take the starting job when nash is done.
I’m not a fan of the Teague style of PG at all.
I haven’t seen Kobongo play. The only Texas game I watched he sat out with injury.
I really like Marshall, but he seems so limited. I don’t know if we have the weapons for him to flourish as a starter.
Draft Express is my draft site of choice, and according to their rankings Marshall (20)is the top PG followed by Kabongo (27) and Teague (33). They have Taylor and Holloway as 2nd-rounders. Another 2nd rounder to keep an eye on is Scott Machado. He’s killing it at Iona.
Looking at DX’s mock right now, late lotto guys that are possibilities are SGs like Bradley Beal and Jeremy Lamb or a SF like Quincy Miller.
Even if we don’t get one of the superstars at PG, a wise decision may be to go with one of these wings and look for a lower tier PG in FA to at least be a stop-gap.
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look man, this is some great analysis that probably needs to be a fanpost or a running diary on the college players who could help the Suns NEXT year. It just doesn’t really fit into every single game recap THIS year.
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by Alex Laugan on Jan 5, 2012 6:59 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
+1,000,000
If anyone has given up on this season, avoid these posts. For better or worse, there IS still a season this year, and we are still playing games and have a roster, so lets talk about that.
The draft talk is more pointless than rosterbation trade talk, and at least that is relevant to NOW.
Ugh, that's been my opinion all along.
But I let him suck me into it.
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Can't we have a thread for that?
Drafterbation – for those who have given up on this season.
What do we call it...?
Dark Side of the Moon Doomsday thread…?
No reason to live but the draft..?
Edge of the Cliff fan post…?
Put me out of my misery now for the hope of next year…?
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That's great.
We should see if we could get Chilly to collaborate with Jay on it. He’s got plenty of time on his hands while the rest of his teammates are busy during the games.
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by Jim Coughenour on Jan 6, 2012 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
I can't put my finger on it
but I like a lot about this team. They’re playing together much better than we did coming out the gates last year. While we subtracted by not adding, what we did add looks like it will fit together soon enough.
We also added by subtracting 2 guys who’s heads were never quite in the game. With 66 games, it’s hard to see a shake-up trade happen. These guys should pull off better than a .525 winning percentage.
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by Walter ChronKite on Jan 5, 2012 12:59 AM MST reply actions
I don't know
As of now it doesn’t look like this current bench is going to cut it if this is how our offense looks when Nash sits. It has been our problem for a while.
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the current bench outscored the current starters in every game until GS. Don’t put all the blame on the bench. Duds, Frye, Nash and Hill and Gortat have all performed below expectations.
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Agreed. The bench, other than last night, have been way above expectations. It’s the starters who haven’t, but they are starting to get in game shape and come around. If Frye starts hitting some shots, we’re going to be exponentially better. If Redd can be a shell of his former self, hoo boy, things look pretty good in a wide-open West with all the injuries and chaos.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 5, 2012 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
True. But the starters begun to play better.They have to continue that.
I hope yesterday’s bench performance was an accident.
I agree. That’s what I was trying to say. :)
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 5, 2012 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
The bench is still having issues
Scoring is one part, and in most games the bench has done not a lot positive.
That said, Frye is a shooting hot streak away from making the starters look really, really good. I just hope when he has that streak he continues to rebound and play like a 4.
I wasn't trying to say it is all the benches fault
Simply that our offense looks bad without Nash on the floor. If our 2nd unit can defend really well I won’t really care as much.
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You expect them to be better than .500?
I don’t know what team you’ve been watching. We’re a lot worse than last year. We can’t score anymore, and we’re pretending to play defense by playing slower.
Even if we do improve, the schedule is just killer. Besides the Raptors, Nets, and Cavs, all of our opponents are projected to make the playoffs… easily. We also have a 5 game road-trip against some of the toughest teams in the NBA, I wouldn’t be surprised if our record is 5-14 at the end of the month.
Easy..Give it time...
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Too fast to judge a team.
I noticed some progress. Of course always could be better. However the first games are weird. Many teams have problems with stabilisation. And most important, I noticed a lot injuries. We’ll see what will happen?
I am pretty sure we are going to be better than last year. Markieff alone will ensure that. I am one of the ones who think Redd is going to help us also. The West is also a lot more wide open this year. We have a very good chance of making the playoffs.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 5, 2012 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
I agree, Walter. I am more excited about our season than when it began, especially with how Markieff is playing and some hope that Redd will come in and knock down some 3s to space the floor for us (man our long-ball shooting has been dreadful so far), and then also with Randolph and Ginobili going down. If we stay healthy, there is absolutely no reason we can’t make the playoffs.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
I think Redd helps the bench most
We need to run him off screens, but hopefully he can score a little bit, and put a stop to all these awful Price/Brown long twos that they chuck up.
I don't understand Gentry pulling Morris so fast when he gets a couple or three fouls
He’s not playing enough minutes to foul out anyway and even if he does, it’s not like saving Amare for a big finish.
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by suns68 on Jan 5, 2012 5:50 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Agreed. He’s pulling him a bit too fast. All coaches do that, except Phil Jackson. It’s one thing that drives me crazy about these coaches. If you’re going to sit the guy, he might as well have fouled out anyway. Don’t do the refs’ jobs for them. Keep him in the game and make them make the call. Especially if your guy is a star, they won’t call it anyway.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 5, 2012 12:04 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah I also agree
If you look at the box score, several of our guys who were playing well in the early going were pulled after getting a couple of fouls. I guess AG is trying to teach Morris a lesson by sitting him, but he’s too effective for this to make much sense. Rookies always get tons of fouls called on them so this could be an ongoing problem.
The main challenge continues to be the awful shooting. It’s like putting in the sense that it’s all about confidence – or in this case the lack of it.
Yeah. Funny that the problem of the Phoenix Suns is shooting. Hopefully, Redd can come in and make some shots. We’ll see. Other than that, we just need to get Frye making them like last year. Would help the offense so much. Come on, Channing.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 5, 2012 2:12 PM MST up reply actions
Too bad we couldn't get Crawford.
We could have gotten him on a 1 year deal with the money we paid Telfair and Brown. Oh well, they did go after him. I guess he just wanted to be some where else.
Don't trade Dudley!
Doubt Crawford would take a one year deal
And Telfair was a minimum contract, which works differently, as you can sign a Minimum player at anytime – no matter what your cap situation.
Not a Crawford fan me – he is one dimensional.
IMO it isn't shooting but defense.
Last year Suns played run and gun.This year they focus on D. It’s very goood. Suns don’t have consistent shooters every game. We could win this game If Dudz score more points( like he should do).Of course I don’t blame Dudley.This is example.If Suns play with stronger team (theoretically) everyone must show his best effort. Before game with Mavs Dudz said, it doesn’t matter how much point Nowitzki scored we had to to stop players like Terry ,Odom and others.
It didn’t work.
I still can't believe we didn't get Tom Thibodeau
Gentry can’t find a solid rotation, and is just a D’Antoni continuation coach, only worse. Frye and Dudley work better off the bench, I guess that means we should start Morris and trade Warrick and Chilly for a starting SG. That would be a more solid rotation.
C – Gortat, Lopez
PF – Morris, Frye
SF – Hill, Dudley
SG – New SG??, Brown
PG – Nash, Telfair, Price
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trade Warrick and Chilly for a starting SG....
chuckle, chuckle…
That’s a good one. It’s good to see that despite the early struggles we haven’t lost our sense of humor.
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by Jim Coughenour on Jan 5, 2012 9:39 PM MST up reply actions
I just looked on ESPN
It seems that Hakim Warrick is our leading scorer with 12.8 PPG.
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I hope not too long.Starter begun to play.
Nash 21 pts , Gortat 22 pts, Hill is better.More stability and no injuries.
Gotta change that....
One of our starters has to step up into the leading scorer role.
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lol
Wow, that is so awful and so sad. Those are role player stats. We got to be better than that.
Don't trade Dudley!
That kind of statistic could prompt
the suicide watch to start taking shoelaces from Suns fans.
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by Jim Coughenour on Jan 5, 2012 9:34 PM MST up reply actions
It's why I wear slip-ons...
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by Daryl Ray on Jan 6, 2012 5:47 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
And also because the T-bird doesn't help your shoelace tying motor skills
BAMF goes HAM.
by brian13 on Jan 6, 2012 12:03 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
true...true...
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so tonight Dallas is getting its ass kicked by a bad SA team without Ginobili, and not even close. What?
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Feeling warm and fuzzy?
That bad SA team is 5-0 at home and most teams in the NBA seem to be fairly schizophrenic this year.
Glad they saved their best effort for Phoenix, though…
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by Jim Coughenour on Jan 5, 2012 9:29 PM MST up reply actions
It's what we do...
Eveyone has to have a role in life..Let bad teams go off on us…
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We wore them out.
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by East Bay Ray on Jan 5, 2012 10:32 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
This.
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Kind of a joke
Are we really still tryna win a championship with this team? we couldnt win one by surrounding 10X better players round nash it isnt gonna happen now.
Why arent just rebuilding following in memphis or oklahoma’s footsteps is beyond me?
Keep hearing this talk bout get this older SG and this guy, signing Redd is pointless thank god its only 1 year deal thought, props to whoever made sure of that.
I know this site is called Brighter Side Of The Sun, but a brighter site to me would be to watch a bunch of young guys improving week to week even if were getting beating rather than watching bunch of older guys who once were amazing for us but are instead of gracefully fading being forced to still be the best players in our team or guys who wont be any better than good bench players being our hope as starters.
Please front office, start rebuilding so that we can hopefully return to the top sooner rather later. And for gods sake draft a franchise SG or SF, dont worry about a PG for the time being unless hes scoring PG aka rose like. Just because having an amazing PG has been our identity for last 10 years doesnt mean it has to be going into the future.
by bassy500 on Jan 6, 2012 2:03 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
BORING!
Seriously, we get it. Some people want the Suns to rebuild now. They aren’t. Get over it.
Lets all get onboard the suns team we have – and stop dreaming of losing 80% of our games (what a truly weird dream).
by MMotherwell on Jan 6, 2012 2:53 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
This is truth.
Let’s embrace what we have. we aren’t getting Dwight Howard or Russel Westbrook and we ain’t getting the number one pick in the draft….so let’s work with what we have and make the best of it..
Let’s Go Suns….!
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by Daryl Ray on Jan 6, 2012 5:47 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This could just as easily be...
Seriously, we get it. Some people want the Suns torebuild nowmake the playoffs. They aren’t. Get over it.
I see nothing wrong with what bassy said. Everyone doesn’t always have to agree. That’s his opinion, that’s what he sees. In his eyes he’s calling a spade a spade. Nothing outrageous. Nothing abusive.
He’s saying the team is bad – which is something others on this site believe and still more are scared might be true – and he’s saying that he disagrees with the front office’s mission statement – which also has been drawn into question by many.
We all have different opinions. Different tastes. Some of us make Mary Poppins look like the Cryptkeeper. Others have a somewhat more somber tone.
Just because an opinion is unpopular doesn’t make it wrong. Sometimes optimism is false hope and pessimism is reality. It may always be sunny in Philadelphia, but I live in Phoenix and it’s not always sunny here (even though in actuality it is much sunnier in Phoenix than Philadelphia).
I think the opinion that the Suns are the team that didn’t know better and stayed one year too long (we’ve seen it before with teams, coaches, and athletes) has merit. I look forward to a new era of Suns basketball. I’m ready for closure on this last chapter. I will enjoy this year as much as I can knowing that it is basically a “lost year” in the overall struggle to win the ultimate prize. Other people don’t even care about winning championships – a .500 record is just as good – I don’t empathize.
Just because an opinion on which way the franchise should go moving forward isn’t aligned with the front office’s vision doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be offered. By that measure, they don’t care about anything any of us think so there’s no point in having this forum at all because all of our opinions are boring and don’t matter.
Let’s Go Suns….!
I also agree with this.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 6, 2012 9:19 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely wonderful post.
The Suns organization, and their fans, need more of this.
I need more alcohol.
I also agree with this….
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
The problem I have is
It isn’t actually a comment on the team. The blow it up posts start with “lets get rid of everyone” and adds nothing to this season.
I’m all for blowing it up as a post/series in itself – but every time anything is discussed, to go with “trade everyone, draft all the rookies” is just boring.
We are stuck with this team – we really are – and nothing is likely to change until August. Sometimes, you just gotta resign yourself to your fate.
That should be the new slogan for the team.
Sometimes, you just gotta resign yourself to your fate.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 6, 2012 5:47 PM MST up reply actions
This could just as easily be...
Seriously, we get it. Some people want the Suns torebuild nowmake the playoffs. They aren’t. Get over it.
I see nothing wrong with what bassy said. Everyone doesn’t always have to agree. That’s his opinion, that’s what he sees. In his eyes he’s calling a spade a spade. Nothing outrageous. Nothing abusive.
He’s saying the team is bad – which is something others on this site believe and still more are scared might be true – and he’s saying that he disagrees with the front office’s mission statement – which also has been drawn into question by many.
We all have different opinions. Different tastes. Some of us make Mary Poppins look like the Cryptkeeper. Others have a somewhat more somber tone.
Just because an opinion is unpopular doesn’t make it wrong. Sometimes optimism is false hope and pessimism is reality. It may always be sunny in Philadelphia, but I live in Phoenix and it’s not always sunny here (even though in actuality it is much sunnier in Phoenix than Philadelphia).
I think the opinion that the Suns are the team that didn’t know better and stayed one year too long (we’ve seen it before with teams, coaches, and athletes) has merit. I look forward to a new era of Suns basketball. I’m ready for closure on this last chapter. I will enjoy this year as much as I can knowing that it is basically a “lost year” in the overall struggle to win the ultimate prize. Other people don’t even care about winning championships – a .500 record is just as good – I don’t empathize.
Just because an opinion on which way the franchise should go moving forward isn’t aligned with the front office’s vision doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be offered. By that measure, they don’t care about anything any of us think so there’s no point in having this forum at all because all of our opinions are boring and don’t matter.
Let’s Go Suns….!
I also agree with this.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 6, 2012 9:19 AM MST up reply actions
I've heard this one somewhere before...Damn deja vu....
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
That double post wasn't my fault.
I blame it on the spinning circle of death.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 6, 2012 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe all the draft talk isn't necessary right now and would be better in another post
I think people are taking some of my draft posts a little out of context. I’m not advocating a rebuild of this team at the beginning of the season. College basketball is in full swing, and i just happen to like talking about potential suns prospects and draft scenarios regardless of wether it’s the start of the nba season or the end.
It may be way too early to discuss the draft but it’s fun to discuss it anyway. I do like the team we have overall, and we can get better given the fact that nash,hill,gortat,lopez and redd are battling injuries.
There’s always a chance this team can make the playoffs(we always defy expectations and defy critics) but we will eventually have to upgrade our backcourt and wing positions. Wether we choose to do that in the draft or in free agency is still a ways away.
So i’ll try and keep my draft ideas to myself until the end of the regular season so i don’t offend anyone with them. That wasn’t really my intention anyway.
Hey not at all.
At least from me. I love hearing about draft prospects. Just because someone is excited about the draft doesn’t mean we all need to debate tanking vs not.
borderline adequate
I like the idea of you turning this discourse into a fan post.
Maybe even a series of fan posts.
You seem very knowledgeable. Not that I’m the best judge since I don’t follow college basketball.
Why not do a post every two weeks (or at whatever interval you choose) and highlight players that are intriguing (especially those that might be available where the Suns will most likely pick)?
I think that would be would be much better than mehrrific. It would help ignorant people like me become more educated on the NBA players of tomorrow.
Make it so, Jay.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 6, 2012 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
I second this
I’m not huge on college ball outside of Arizona so this would be an interesting read. Having extra college knowledge would make March Madness and the Draft much more entertaining.
BAMF goes HAM.
I third this...
In a Fanpost….! Not on a game review thread
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
4th'd
I love college basketball and will talk about draft prospects with you whenever you want. I just don’t think the same things should be posted on every game preview or recap.
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5th'd
It’s good stuff, but let’s keep game previews and recaps about the game, or at least about the current Suns team. A fan post or series of posts about draft prospects would be great.
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May I suggest we start with Doug McDermott?
44 points on 18-23 shooting for Dougie Fresh tonight. The kid is unbelievable.
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Suns vs blazers tonight.
I watched some of the lakers vs blazers late last night and i have to admit, even though i loved watching wallace run kobe down and dunk on him(the blazers pretty much dominated the lakers in the second half for anyone that didn’t get to see it)this blazers team is a little scary.
They have great depth and talent. I believe this suns team if healthy can beat any team in the league on any given night.
If we’re facing a tired blazers team that will help alot. We just can’t have another slow start in the first quarter, everyone will have to come out gunning and pushing the pace to get the blazers on their heels defensively.
We can win tonight’s game, we just have to come out fired up with some intensity and attack the basket from the opening tip.
Yes.
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